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If they are good people, you should copy that.Now think of all the different ways people understand him. Ask 100 people what god is and you'll get 100 different ideas.God told us about what He expects from US, not about HIM.
God is unknowable.
In fact, God doesn't need us...at all.
God is not 100% knowable, but He is also omniscient and is capable of explaining Himself to the degree that we need to understand Him.
And, true, God does not need us, nor does He need anything at all.
But he desires us and wants us to worship Him.
that is all that is necessary as He isnt exactly on a budget of some sort and can do whatever He wants.
How do you know he desires us and wants us to worship him? That isn't obvious to me so why is it a given for you? Because you read it in a book? Because a preacher told you?
I observe from the behavior of my seniors that they are living the type of life I admire.
I seek from them how to go about walking in their footsteps.
I wouldn't have nearly the problem I have with the lie that a god exists if it weren't for religious people no. That's true. But even if they were all wonderful, that doesn't make god any more or less real.I'm not making any extraordinary claims that require proof. Goes something like this. You say you can fly or turn invisible just by wishing it. I say you are full of shit. You're asking me to prove you can't fly or become invisible.Are you talking about believing in generic god or are you talking about believing the Moses, Jesus, Mohammad, etc? Because when it comes to the idea that god visited, I'm an atheists. But when it comes to the existence of a creator, I'm an agnostic atheist. It doesn't seem like there is a god/creator. From an intelligent mind, it seems like humans made that up to deal with death and the unknown. Superstitious. So I lean towards not believing but you are right, the only logical position is agnostic.Atheists and Theists are both dumb as dog shit. There is only one rational position, God is unknown.Only the most completely ignorant fool would say that there is only two arguments for the existence of God.
I think you are banging your head against the wall. Atheists these days are just too stupid to follow any complexity in an argument and have no interest to anyway.
The only way to know there is no god is for you to be a god yourself.
I'm talking about you providing proof of your opinion. Cease with the mumbo jumbo, it's worthless. Now, put up or shut up
Is your issue proselytation?
If they are good people, you should copy that.Now think of all the different ways people understand him. Ask 100 people what god is and you'll get 100 different ideas.God told us about what He expects from US, not about HIM.
God is unknowable.
In fact, God doesn't need us...at all.
God is not 100% knowable, but He is also omniscient and is capable of explaining Himself to the degree that we need to understand Him.
And, true, God does not need us, nor does He need anything at all.
But he desires us and wants us to worship Him.
that is all that is necessary as He isnt exactly on a budget of some sort and can do whatever He wants.
How do you know he desires us and wants us to worship him? That isn't obvious to me so why is it a given for you? Because you read it in a book? Because a preacher told you?
I observe from the behavior of my seniors that they are living the type of life I admire.
I seek from them how to go about walking in their footsteps.
How many christians, muslims or jews are assholes though? Raising asshole christians, muslims and jews.
Ignorance is bliss.
Your parents could have been wonderful people but not the sharpest tools in the shed.
I see my brother believes and goes to church and has a wonderful life. Is it because he goes to church? That probably has something to do with him being a good person. Does that mean god is real? Nope!
Is there anything that would make you have faith that Jesus is real?I'm not making any extraordinary claims that require proof. Goes something like this. You say you can fly or turn invisible just by wishing it. I say you are full of shit. You're asking me to prove you can't fly or become invisible.Are you talking about believing in generic god or are you talking about believing the Moses, Jesus, Mohammad, etc? Because when it comes to the idea that god visited, I'm an atheists. But when it comes to the existence of a creator, I'm an agnostic atheist. It doesn't seem like there is a god/creator. From an intelligent mind, it seems like humans made that up to deal with death and the unknown. Superstitious. So I lean towards not believing but you are right, the only logical position is agnostic.Atheists and Theists are both dumb as dog shit. There is only one rational position, God is unknown.And there seems to be two arguments for god. One is the generic, "there must be god" argument and then there's the "god visited our ancestors 2000 years ago of course he's real" argument.
You are the one who doesn't have a clue. Just like a little muslim woman in Afganistan doesn't. But like you she thinks she has all the answers. Its all in the koran.
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Only the most completely ignorant fool would say that there is only two arguments for the existence of God.I know it's free will. You babble much and expect to be taken serious, you need to change that
I think you are banging your head against the wall. Atheists these days are just too stupid to follow any complexity in an argument and have no interest to anyway.
The only way to know there is no god is for you to be a god yourself.
I'm talking about you providing proof of your opinion. Cease with the mumbo jumbo, it's worthless. Now, put up or shut up
He could return I suppose? He's slightly overdue, roughly 2,000 years.Is there anything that would make you have faith that Jesus is real?
So what are other loony moments for Jesus?He could return I suppose? He's slightly overdue, roughly 2,000 years.Is there anything that would make you have faith that Jesus is real?
And most of us like Jesus a whole lot more than the people who supposedly follow him...
Oh, and you personally seeing Jesus may or may not be enough. Remember what people did to him.He could return I suppose? He's slightly overdue, roughly 2,000 years.Is there anything that would make you have faith that Jesus is real?
And most of us like Jesus a whole lot more than the people who supposedly follow him...
Chasing money-changers around, cursing fig trees, sending pigs to their deaths, rejecting his family, and of course, believing that he was the Messiah. The Jews, and his family, thought he was nuts, for a good damn reason, he was.So what are other loony moments for Jesus?He could return I suppose? He's slightly overdue, roughly 2,000 years.Is there anything that would make you have faith that Jesus is real?
And most of us like Jesus a whole lot more than the people who supposedly follow him...
I'm far better than most and he is always welcome here. He liked wine and moral people. I have no problems with that.Oh, and you personally seeing Jesus may or may not be enough. Remember what people did to him.He could return I suppose? He's slightly overdue, roughly 2,000 years.Is there anything that would make you have faith that Jesus is real?
And most of us like Jesus a whole lot more than the people who supposedly follow him...
Is there anything that would make you have faith that Jesus is real?I'm not making any extraordinary claims that require proof. Goes something like this. You say you can fly or turn invisible just by wishing it. I say you are full of shit. You're asking me to prove you can't fly or become invisible.Are you talking about believing in generic god or are you talking about believing the Moses, Jesus, Mohammad, etc? Because when it comes to the idea that god visited, I'm an atheists. But when it comes to the existence of a creator, I'm an agnostic atheist. It doesn't seem like there is a god/creator. From an intelligent mind, it seems like humans made that up to deal with death and the unknown. Superstitious. So I lean towards not believing but you are right, the only logical position is agnostic.Atheists and Theists are both dumb as dog shit. There is only one rational position, God is unknown.Only the most completely ignorant fool would say that there is only two arguments for the existence of God.
I think you are banging your head against the wall. Atheists these days are just too stupid to follow any complexity in an argument and have no interest to anyway.
The only way to know there is no god is for you to be a god yourself.
I'm talking about you providing proof of your opinion. Cease with the mumbo jumbo, it's worthless. Now, put up or shut up
Yea. If such a guy existed, I'd follow him too. Sorta like a MLK or Ghandi type. But you know the GOP would call him a hippy liberal. Today they have taken him over. Turns out Jesus loves Capitalism. Unregulated free market capitalism too. He hates socialism and especially progressives.He could return I suppose? He's slightly overdue, roughly 2,000 years.Is there anything that would make you have faith that Jesus is real?
And most of us like Jesus a whole lot more than the people who supposedly follow him...
Very good point. If the people who saw him didn't convert, why did the people who later just heard about him convert? For example, my ignorant Greek ancestors who were worshipping Zeus then fell for that Jesus crap. Didn't they ask for evidence? Of course they didn't! Do Americans today ask for proof? Nope! They just swallow whatever their parents and preachers tell them.Oh, and you personally seeing Jesus may or may not be enough. Remember what people did to him.He could return I suppose? He's slightly overdue, roughly 2,000 years.Is there anything that would make you have faith that Jesus is real?
And most of us like Jesus a whole lot more than the people who supposedly follow him...
You don't mind people taking advantage of others to get rich? That was the money changers.Chasing money-changers around, cursing fig trees, sending pigs to their deaths, rejecting his family, and of course, believing that he was the Messiah. The Jews, and his family, thought he was nuts, for a good damn reason, he was.So what are other loony moments for Jesus?He could return I suppose? He's slightly overdue, roughly 2,000 years.Is there anything that would make you have faith that Jesus is real?
And most of us like Jesus a whole lot more than the people who supposedly follow him...
Like many, I came to faith by researching the evidence. My entire career has been in science, and almost 20 years ago I saw something I couldn't explain. Still took me a few years. I'd be a Jew, Muslim, Hindu or whatever if they had more evidence.Very good point. If the people who saw him didn't convert, why did the people who later just heard about him convert? For example, my ignorant Greek ancestors who were worshipping Zeus then fell for that Jesus crap. Didn't they ask for evidence? Of course they didn't! Do Americans today ask for proof? Nope! They just swallow whatever their parents and preachers tell them.Oh, and you personally seeing Jesus may or may not be enough. Remember what people did to him.He could return I suppose? He's slightly overdue, roughly 2,000 years.Is there anything that would make you have faith that Jesus is real?
And most of us like Jesus a whole lot more than the people who supposedly follow him...
If only. Faith for most is nothing more than what you were raised with.People don't come to faith because they are fooled.
Not true at all. Christianity is sweeping thru Asia and the Middle East like a wildfire. These people have zero background in Christianity. I'm from an agnostic home and was agnostic until I did my homework.If only. Faith for most is nothing more than what you were raised with.People don't come to faith because they are fooled.
The vast majority of the faithful were raised as faithful. Just because a faith appeals to fools. slaves, and children cannot be helped.Not true at all. Christianity is sweeping thru Asia and the Middle East like a wildfire. These people have zero background in Christianity. I'm from an agnostic home and was agnostic until I did my homework.If only. Faith for most is nothing more than what you were raised with.People don't come to faith because they are fooled.
That's an easy one. Scripture numbering system was not created until centuries after Christ. So guess how a Rabbi told people what to read - he would quote the first part. Psalm 22 describes the crucifixion of Jesus. Very appropriate, eh?
Psalm 22:1-25 My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?Why are you so far from saving me,so far from my cries of anguish? My God, I cry out by day, but you do not answer,by night, but I find no rest. Yet you are enthroned as the Holy One;you are the one Israel praises. In you our ancestors put their trust;they trusted and you delivered them. To you they cried out and were saved;in you they trusted and were not put to shame. But I am a worm and not a man,scorned by everyone, despised by the people. All who see me mock me;they hurl insults, shaking their heads. “He trusts in the Lord,” they say,“let the Lord rescue him.Let him deliver him,since he delights in him.” Yet you brought me out of the womb;you made me trust in you, even at my mother’s breast. From birth I was cast on you;from my mother’s womb you have been my God. Do not be far from me,for trouble is nearand there is no one to help. Many bulls surround me;strong bulls of Bashan encircle me. Roaring lions that tear their preyopen their mouths wide against me. I am poured out like water,and all my bones are out of joint.My heart has turned to wax;it has melted within me. My mouth is dried up like a potsherd,and my tongue sticks to the roof of my mouth;you lay me in the dust of death. Dogs surround me,a pack of villains encircles me;they pierce my hands and my feet. All my bones are on display;people stare and gloat over me. They divide my clothes among themand cast lots for my garment. But you, Lord, do not be far from me.You are my strength; come quickly to help me. Deliver me from the sword,my precious life from the power of the dogs. Rescue me from the mouth of the lions;save me from the horns of the wild oxen. I will declare your name to my people;in the assembly I will praise you. You who fear the Lord, praise him!All you descendants of Jacob, honor him!Revere him, all you descendants of Israel! For he has not despised or scornedthe suffering of the afflicted one;he has not hidden his face from himbut has listened to his cry for help. From you comes the theme of my praise in the great assembly;before those who fear you I will fulfill my vows.
Is that your hang up? You bow to no one?The vast majority of the faithful were raised as faithful. Just because a faith appeals to fools. slaves, and children cannot be helped.Not true at all. Christianity is sweeping thru Asia and the Middle East like a wildfire. These people have zero background in Christianity. I'm from an agnostic home and was agnostic until I did my homework.If only. Faith for most is nothing more than what you were raised with.People don't come to faith because they are fooled.
No one died so I could live. That was my parents fucking, and my mom not aborting.Is that your hang up? You bow to no one?The vast majority of the faithful were raised as faithful. Just because a faith appeals to fools. slaves, and children cannot be helped.Not true at all. Christianity is sweeping thru Asia and the Middle East like a wildfire. These people have zero background in Christianity. I'm from an agnostic home and was agnostic until I did my homework.If only. Faith for most is nothing more than what you were raised with.People don't come to faith because they are fooled.
Even someone who died so you may live?
