Debate Now Why Is Being "Politically Correct" A Bad Thing To Some People?

[Bonzi]

You could say something totally PC to me and I could still get offended and it could change the conversation to something personal and confrontational....

 

[Asclepias]

I've seen many times on this board the term "politically correct" being used in derogatory manner. It baffles me to be honest. What is it that would make being politically correct something to frown upon as opposed to a tool to further communication?

Rules:

1. No off topic comments. Please address the question.
2. Be able to prove your position using common sense. No links

First there's a popular, Trump-inspired backlash against political correctness. That's technically your answer.

What stands to reasoning in this position is that political correctness can be imprecise. There's certain things that can't be addressed directly under that paradigm. American politicians and journalists both use the Annenberg political correctness manual, and guess who are popular villains this cycle.

I dont understand. Are you saying that Trump made PC a bad thing?

 

[Asclepias]

You could say something totally PC to me and I could still get offended and it could change the conversation to something personal and confrontational....

I disagree. I might think its PC but if you get offended its obviously not PC. The offended person sets the rules on what is PC or not.

 

[dilloduck]

If you close your mind and refuse to listen it is no failure of mine.

I closed my mind due to your failure. If you had simply changed your words then your goal would have been achieved.

So people need to read your mind and figure out what is going to offend you before they speak. ? Are you unable to comprehend words that offend you. Are you victimized by them ?

Nope. You call me a dodo head. I say dont call me that. You call me by my name. Conversation continues. You claim all men are wife beaters. I say thats ridiculous and offensive because you dont know all men. You say ok some men. Its a give and take.

Yes if you use a word that offends me I literally cannot understand it. Yes it victimizes the person because now they cant understand what you are talking about.

That is a lie------you understand non PC words perfectly well...... I KNEW we were going to have to deal with you as a victim again.

Here is a good example right here. Youre telling me what I understand as if you can read my mind which is of course pure nonsense.

A good example of what ?

 

[dilloduck]

If you need him to kiss your ass before your able or willing to listen, the problem is you.

Could be but that doesnt make me hear your message. So you have failed in getting your point across.

If you close your mind and refuse to listen it is no failure of mine.

I closed my mind due to your failure. If you had simply changed your words then your goal would have been achieved.

NOpe. In the past I have tried hundreds of times altering the terminology in order to move the discussion forward.

It never worked.

ONce the person in question chooses to be "offended" they change the debate to how bad a person the alleged "offender" is.

There is no going back from that. It is a win for the user of POlitical Correctness. The topic is how bad their opponent is. The debate is their opponent claiming not to be a bad person, and the user of PC repeating their charges.

Dear Correll if the person is going in with an Unforgiving attitude,
you are right, the clashes and projection will happen and there is not room
for mutual give and take as needed to clarify communications.

If you enlist the aid of a Third Party who aligns, supports and forgives both sides,
sometimes communication can still be facilitated even if the two sides continue to
distrust and blame each other. So I suggest asking a neutral, inclusive third party to help
facilitate the next time you run into this.

With Asclepias, as long as two people don't set off each other's defensiveness and ego's,
you should be able to communicate past that. Once you set each other off, you might need
a mutual friend to throw some water on the flames and cool things off first.
You don't want to triangulate the conflict, by taking sides, but neutralize it.

If both parties feel secure addresssing each other as equals and including
instead of rejecting each other's viewpoints, then the sharing and exchange of ideas can take place mutually.
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• Each person has a right to and responsibility for his or her own feelings, thoughts, and beliefs.

• It is important to avoid criticism or judgement about another person's sharing, point of view, and/or feelings.

• Avoid getting tied up in debate and argument. It rarely changes anything or anyone and tends to ultimately inhibit the sharing.

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[Asclepias]

I closed my mind due to your failure. If you had simply changed your words then your goal would have been achieved.

So people need to read your mind and figure out what is going to offend you before they speak. ? Are you unable to comprehend words that offend you. Are you victimized by them ?

Nope. You call me a dodo head. I say dont call me that. You call me by my name. Conversation continues. You claim all men are wife beaters. I say thats ridiculous and offensive because you dont know all men. You say ok some men. Its a give and take.

Yes if you use a word that offends me I literally cannot understand it. Yes it victimizes the person because now they cant understand what you are talking about.

That is a lie------you understand non PC words perfectly well...... I KNEW we were going to have to deal with you as a victim again.

Here is a good example right here. Youre telling me what I understand as if you can read my mind which is of course pure nonsense.

A good example of what ?

An example of nonsense and terrible communications skills. Instead of assisting communication you have moved to an area where your comments are counter productive and discredits anything that may have made sense earlier.

 

[dilloduck]

You could say something totally PC to me and I could still get offended and it could change the conversation to something personal and confrontational....

I disagree. I might think its PC but if you get offended its obviously not PC. The offended person sets the rules on what is PC or not.

ie---the offended person determines if the conversation continues. The offended person demands control

 

[Asclepias]

You could say something totally PC to me and I could still get offended and it could change the conversation to something personal and confrontational....

I disagree. I might think its PC but if you get offended its obviously not PC. The offended person sets the rules on what is PC or not.

ie---the offended person determines if the conversation continues. The offended person demands control

Disagree. If I get offended and you apologize and correct your verbiage, tone, etc then you determined if the conversation continues. I do it with my kids all the time.

 

[dilloduck]

So people need to read your mind and figure out what is going to offend you before they speak. ? Are you unable to comprehend words that offend you. Are you victimized by them ?

Nope. You call me a dodo head. I say dont call me that. You call me by my name. Conversation continues. You claim all men are wife beaters. I say thats ridiculous and offensive because you dont know all men. You say ok some men. Its a give and take.

Yes if you use a word that offends me I literally cannot understand it. Yes it victimizes the person because now they cant understand what you are talking about.

That is a lie------you understand non PC words perfectly well...... I KNEW we were going to have to deal with you as a victim again.

Here is a good example right here. Youre telling me what I understand as if you can read my mind which is of course pure nonsense.

A good example of what ?

An example of nonsense and terrible communications skills. Instead of assisting communication you have moved to an area where your comments are counter productive and discredits anything that may have made sense earlier.

no-----you are pathologically offended and unable to participate. I'm so sorry for your condition.

 

[dilloduck]

You could say something totally PC to me and I could still get offended and it could change the conversation to something personal and confrontational....

I disagree. I might think its PC but if you get offended its obviously not PC. The offended person sets the rules on what is PC or not.

ie---the offended person determines if the conversation continues. The offended person demands control

Disagree. If I get offended and you apologize and correct your verbiage, tone, etc then you determined if the conversation continues. I do it with my kids all the time.

I am not a child

 

[Asclepias]

You could say something totally PC to me and I could still get offended and it could change the conversation to something personal and confrontational....

I disagree. I might think its PC but if you get offended its obviously not PC. The offended person sets the rules on what is PC or not.

ie---the offended person determines if the conversation continues. The offended person demands control

Disagree. If I get offended and you apologize and correct your verbiage, tone, etc then you determined if the conversation continues. I do it with my kids all the time.

I am not a child

Legally? No. Emotionally? Absolutely.

 

[Asclepias]

Nope. You call me a dodo head. I say dont call me that. You call me by my name. Conversation continues. You claim all men are wife beaters. I say thats ridiculous and offensive because you dont know all men. You say ok some men. Its a give and take.

Yes if you use a word that offends me I literally cannot understand it. Yes it victimizes the person because now they cant understand what you are talking about.

That is a lie------you understand non PC words perfectly well...... I KNEW we were going to have to deal with you as a victim again.

Here is a good example right here. Youre telling me what I understand as if you can read my mind which is of course pure nonsense.

A good example of what ?

An example of nonsense and terrible communications skills. Instead of assisting communication you have moved to an area where your comments are counter productive and discredits anything that may have made sense earlier.

no-----you are pathologically offended and unable to participate. I'm so sorry for your condition.

And you are still pretending you can read peoples minds. That doesnt make any sense.

 

[dilloduck]

You could say something totally PC to me and I could still get offended and it could change the conversation to something personal and confrontational....

I disagree. I might think its PC but if you get offended its obviously not PC. The offended person sets the rules on what is PC or not.

ie---the offended person determines if the conversation continues. The offended person demands control

Disagree. If I get offended and you apologize and correct your verbiage, tone, etc then you determined if the conversation continues. I do it with my kids all the time.

I am not a child

Legally? No. Emotionally? Absolutely.

Fortunately I do not have your condition and we can continue this conversation even tho I found that to be offensive.

 

[Programmer]

I've seen many times on this board the term "politically correct" being used in derogatory manner. It baffles me to be honest. What is it that would make being politically correct something to frown upon as opposed to a tool to further communication?

Rules:

1. No off topic comments. Please address the question.
2. Be able to prove your position using common sense. No links

First there's a popular, Trump-inspired backlash against political correctness. That's technically your answer.

What stands to reasoning in this position is that political correctness can be imprecise. There's certain things that can't be addressed directly under that paradigm. American politicians and journalists both use the Annenberg political correctness manual, and guess who are popular villains this cycle.

I dont understand. Are you saying that Trump made PC a bad thing?

Yeah. If you've been looking at the expansion of that trend, it coincides with Trump.

Things like that don't just happen because people are stupid and Trump said so, however, so I refer to the shortcomings that PC has, especially in serious or precise matters. It can look pretty inept.

Ladies, would you like a politically incorrect OBGYN?

 

[dilloduck]

That is a lie------you understand non PC words perfectly well...... I KNEW we were going to have to deal with you as a victim again.

Here is a good example right here. Youre telling me what I understand as if you can read my mind which is of course pure nonsense.

A good example of what ?

An example of nonsense and terrible communications skills. Instead of assisting communication you have moved to an area where your comments are counter productive and discredits anything that may have made sense earlier.

no-----you are pathologically offended and unable to participate. I'm so sorry for your condition.

And you are still pretending you can read peoples minds. That doesnt make any sense.

No I am making observations about what you say. I have no clue as to what you might find offensive. I would have to wait for you to admoinish me like a child.

 

[Asclepias]

I disagree. I might think its PC but if you get offended its obviously not PC. The offended person sets the rules on what is PC or not.

ie---the offended person determines if the conversation continues. The offended person demands control

Disagree. If I get offended and you apologize and correct your verbiage, tone, etc then you determined if the conversation continues. I do it with my kids all the time.

I am not a child

Legally? No. Emotionally? Absolutely.

Fortunately I do not have your condition and we can continue this conversation even tho I found that to be offensive.

I was speaking about your condition. Obviously emotionally you are still a child. You have the same child like concept in your mind that makes no room for the thoughts of others. Lots of people have this same issue so dont feel bad. Thats why PC is so important. It helps you grow and understand that no matter your personal opinions, in order to communicate and hopefully influence you have to be good at being PC.

 

[Asclepias]

I've seen many times on this board the term "politically correct" being used in derogatory manner. It baffles me to be honest. What is it that would make being politically correct something to frown upon as opposed to a tool to further communication?

Rules:

1. No off topic comments. Please address the question.
2. Be able to prove your position using common sense. No links

First there's a popular, Trump-inspired backlash against political correctness. That's technically your answer.

What stands to reasoning in this position is that political correctness can be imprecise. There's certain things that can't be addressed directly under that paradigm. American politicians and journalists both use the Annenberg political correctness manual, and guess who are popular villains this cycle.

I dont understand. Are you saying that Trump made PC a bad thing?

Yeah. If you've been looking at the expansion of that trend, it coincides with Trump.

Things like that don't just happen because people are stupid and Trump said so, however, so I refer to the shortcomings that PC has, especially in serious or precise matters. It can look pretty inept.

Ladies, would you like a politically incorrect OBGYN?

I heard of PC being a bad think long before Trump announces his candidacy but thats not really an issue here..

Trump said so what?

 

[Valerie]

Wrong on all counts.

1. It is not my job to find a way to communicate with them. If they are engaging is debate it is on them to be ready for normal discourse.

2. I am not refusing to find a way to communicate. I am constantly working to improve my communication skills. They are choosing to avoid the topic by launching a hissy fit/personal attacks.

3. Nothing I am doing is making them more of a problem. They are choosing to attack me instead of discussing the topic.

what is normal discourse? and should we call whatever that is, correll correctness??

 

[dilloduck]

ie---the offended person determines if the conversation continues. The offended person demands control

Disagree. If I get offended and you apologize and correct your verbiage, tone, etc then you determined if the conversation continues. I do it with my kids all the time.

I am not a child

Legally? No. Emotionally? Absolutely.

Fortunately I do not have your condition and we can continue this conversation even tho I found that to be offensive.

I was speaking about your condition. Obviously emotionally you are still a child. You have the same child like concept in your mind that makes no room for the thoughts of others. Lots of people have this same issue so dont feel bad. Thats why PC is so important. It helps you grow and understand that no matter your personal opinions in order to communicate and hopefully influence you have to be good at being PC.

I have room for thoughts AND words of others. I can continue to have a conversation EVEN IF I am offended. I will overlook the offensive comment and focus on what you are trying to say. I an not a victim of offensive words.

 

[Asclepias]

Here is a good example right here. Youre telling me what I understand as if you can read my mind which is of course pure nonsense.

A good example of what ?

An example of nonsense and terrible communications skills. Instead of assisting communication you have moved to an area where your comments are counter productive and discredits anything that may have made sense earlier.

no-----you are pathologically offended and unable to participate. I'm so sorry for your condition.

And you are still pretending you can read peoples minds. That doesnt make any sense.

No I am making observations about what you say. I have no clue as to what you might find offensive. I would have to wait for you to admoinish me like a child.

Now look who is being sensitive. Telling you not to call me dodo head is something one would have to tell a child so take that for what its worth.