Why is Building the Wall Wrong?

[Slyhunter]

President Barack Obama: "Real reform means strong border security, and we can build on the progress my administration has already made — putting more boots on the Southern border than at any time in our history and reducing illegal crossings to their lowest levels in 40 years.”

Secretary Hillary Clinton: "I voted numerous times when I was a senator to spend money to build a barrier to try to prevent illegal immigrants from coming in. And I do think that you have to control your borders."

President Bill Clinton: "It is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws we have seen in recent years, and we must do more to stop it."

You are only proving a point I've been making since I got on this thread. The Democrats adopted the political idea BEFORE Trump came along. It is not a conservative idea.

The talking points were pioneered by white supremacists and National Socialists back in the 1970s. So, I would presume you have a point?

To some its political. To some its not.

It is a barrier to impede illegals and drugs to make securing the border easier for CBP.

Politicians have grand standed for votes and not built effective barriers. They refuse to fix the loop holes. Those ideas are right to me. They have been right to me for decades.

20 to 25 billion will provide about 1000 miles total of wall. In high traffic areas where they say they need them. We should do as the professionals request tosupport them

Each day I am on this board trying to find some consensus. Ray just wants the brown people gone; AzogtheDefiler says that they are trash. Here's where I am:

If you think those people are not human beings, why not load up your AR and go to the border and shoot them like you would any other rodent? What's stopping you? The only consensus I've seen thus far is that they are not human beings and, consequently do not have Rights. Possums don't have Rights. So people shoot them. In your mind, what is the difference?

You ignored what I previously wrote. i'll write it again.
parents try to build, for their children, a better life so that their children don't have to go through the same trials and tribulations that they themselves had to. Over the course of generations it has gone from us fighting the British, living in log cabins and only eating what we kill, to what we have now. We earned the right to live this way because our ancestors did it for us. These illegals haven't. We can't allow them to flood our borders and ruin our lifestyle by sucking on Governmental teat, and working for substandard wages that won't allow us to maintain our current lifestyles. They need to put out the blood, sweat, and bullets to fix their own damn countries like we fixed ours. It isn't up to us to do it for them.

That is a statement, not a question. The reality is, the average American is only worthy of being a victim of the truth. To wit:

In America, the government tries to tell parents how to rear their children. The thing of it is, if you follow their guidelines, the government's idea of parenting is a clusterphuck of a disaster. I'm not going to sugar coat it for you. Since parents cannot properly rear their children, they take their children to doctors or ask the government what to do.

Children end up on Ritalin or Adderall for the NONEXISTENT conditions called ADD / ADHD

The child begins to age and is then put on Opioids for "anxiety" and some will skip the legalities and buy opioids off the street

Many of those will start using illegal drugs like Marijuana, Heroin, Oxycontin, Crack, etc.Parents with good insurance will see their kids put on SSRIs.

Eventually, a large number of these people will become hard core drug addicts and they will acquire a criminal record. Being addicts they will not have any critical thinking skills, reasoning skills, and / or social skills. Most of those will not even finish high school. By the time they turn 26 they are dropped from mommy's insurance. So, now you have drug addicts with no education, no job skills, no reasoning skills, fifty tattoos, numerous body piercings, and a criminal record. So, who in the Hell is going to hire these people?

Let me put this into perspective:

America has about 4 percent of the world's population yet we consume over 80 percent of the world's opioid supply. We have more people in prison than any nation on this planet - the United States accounts for about 22 percent of the world's prison population. For every drug addict in a mental health facility being treated for drugs, there are more than ten drug addicts being held in prisons.

Instead of crying out for a need to get parents parenting, we are comfortable with allowing the government and Big Pharma rearing the children with drugs as opposed to allowing normal growing behavior to occur. Drugs become the first line of defense, not the last in dealing with the problems of children.

Now, these drug addicts have only way to support their habit and live any kind of lifestyle - sell drugs to the next generation. The problem is a societal issue, but we would rather waste money on the border to fight back at drug cartels while parents, the government and Big Pharma are creating the addicts... which in turn creates the drug cartels.

Can we get any more screwed up?

So fucking what. The country is as we made it and we don't need illegals coming here and ruining it for us. No immigration until every American who wants a job has a job that pays a living wage.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

I think Porter is one of them Russians working for the Democrats.

Hes not a U.S citizen.

We know you are no patriot. I am not a part of your Socialist States of Amerika.

So where the hell are you from and why are you so concerned eith this issue??

I'm from the United States and I am concerned because I watched the build the wall guys destroy all the gains made by patriots and constitutionalists over the past 30 years. All the build the wall guys offer are socialist solutions without any idea of how it ultimately impacts our Freedom and Liberty.

EVERY time you turn around, they invoke the morally and financially corrupt policies of third world countries and people at war. I set the tone, not follow the failures.

Thats idiotic. The Fence didnt secure the border. And a wall doesnt abuse your constitutional rights. Uless you are from South of the border and are pushing for Open borders, which you are in this thread.

You are a liar with NO understanding. I'm asking questions. Instead of people being direct and honest, they expect me to fight eight of you at a time. You're cowards because you think if you can post enough B.S. it will hide the truth.

 

[OKTexas]

You are only proving a point I've been making since I got on this thread. The Democrats adopted the political idea BEFORE Trump came along. It is not a conservative idea.

The talking points were pioneered by white supremacists and National Socialists back in the 1970s. So, I would presume you have a point?

It's true. In the 2000's us liberals were against illegal immigrants while 75% of the Republican party was arguing they were just here doing jobs Americans won't do. That's a lie.

Do a little math. The Bureau of Labor Statistics says there are 7.6 million unemployed Americans right now. Another 1.5 million Americans are no longer counted because they've become "long term" or "discouraged" unemployed workers. And although various groups have different ways of measuring it, most agree that at least another five to ten million Americans are either working part-time when they want to work full-time, or are "underemployed," doing jobs below their level of training, education, or experience. That's between eight and twenty million un- and under-employed Americans, many unable to find above-poverty-level work.

At the same time, there are between seven and fifteen million working illegal immigrants diluting our labor pool.

If illegal immigrants could no longer work, unions would flourish, the minimum wage would rise, and oligarchic nations to our south would have to confront and fix their corrupt ways.

Between the Reagan years - when there were only around 1 to 2 million illegal aliens in our workforce - and today, we've gone from about 25 percent of our private workforce being unionized to around seven percent. Much of this is the direct result - as César Chávez predicted - of illegal immigrants competing directly with unionized and legal labor. Although it's most obvious in the construction trades over the past 30 years, it's hit all sectors of our economy.

My math is simple:

I run ads on Craigslist, in community papers and list with the Dept. of Labor. People don't even show up for an interview.

I could give you the REAL reason this happens, but it would take more than twenty words and you would not admit it. I can show you a hundred people today under 40 that have never worked a job and they won't. Most of it is the fault of people who back bad legislation because you're wholly uninformed.

Pay more. Supply/Demand economics. What is the job?

I'm a minister with a jobs program. We have temp, temp to perm and permanent jobs in many fields from laborers to farm workers and from warehouse workers to construction / handymen positions.

Whites will not work the jobs.

Both parties have flip flopped on immigration depending on the issue. Dems supported 2006 fence act. Republicans opposed Clinton efforts to limit hiring illegals. Reagan supported amnesty for undocumented immigrants.

Operation Wetback in the 50s was initiated at the request of the Mexican government and was supported by both parties


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Reagan supported amnesty to get border security, we got the amnesty, but no security. The commiecrats LIED again.

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[Slyhunter]

To some its political. To some its not.

It is a barrier to impede illegals and drugs to make securing the border easier for CBP.

Politicians have grand standed for votes and not built effective barriers. They refuse to fix the loop holes. Those ideas are right to me. They have been right to me for decades.

20 to 25 billion will provide about 1000 miles total of wall. In high traffic areas where they say they need them. We should do as the professionals request tosupport them

Each day I am on this board trying to find some consensus. Ray just wants the brown people gone; AzogtheDefiler says that they are trash. Here's where I am:

If you think those people are not human beings, why not load up your AR and go to the border and shoot them like you would any other rodent? What's stopping you? The only consensus I've seen thus far is that they are not human beings and, consequently do not have Rights. Possums don't have Rights. So people shoot them. In your mind, what is the difference?

You are out ofbounds. Flagged for unsportsman Like conduct.

I never said i was going to kill them. Place that attitude towards those that said it.

It's out of bounds? Your argument is that they are trash and have no Rights. They aren't even human beings. Read the thread. Prove it. How in the Hell is that "out of bounds?" I'd say you got checkmated.

Just because you hate people and think we're going to become lily white does not mean that YOU are not out of bounds either. I'm just as sick of you as you are of me. You know FULL WELL that those from south of the border have a Right to Life. It is an unalienable Right - as is Liberty. Explained the immigration law to you in post # 2086.

I never fucking said that moron.

Did I say you specifically said it OR have I not made my point clear to you? I'm not here to sell you any point of view. I'm trying to find the consensus. If you interfere and want to debate me when I don't want to debate (this IS a discussion forum), then it is only logical to say, birds of a feather flock together. So, instead of seeing how many posts you can make, make your point and move on. I'm debating roughly eight people at a time and am NOT going to continue answering the same questions over and over. Read the freaking thread and quit posting so much if you want answers.

I'm in 15 different threads and you're having trouble dealing with just one.

 

[eagle1462010]

To some its political. To some its not.

It is a barrier to impede illegals and drugs to make securing the border easier for CBP.

Politicians have grand standed for votes and not built effective barriers. They refuse to fix the loop holes. Those ideas are right to me. They have been right to me for decades.

20 to 25 billion will provide about 1000 miles total of wall. In high traffic areas where they say they need them. We should do as the professionals request tosupport them

Each day I am on this board trying to find some consensus. Ray just wants the brown people gone; AzogtheDefiler says that they are trash. Here's where I am:

If you think those people are not human beings, why not load up your AR and go to the border and shoot them like you would any other rodent? What's stopping you? The only consensus I've seen thus far is that they are not human beings and, consequently do not have Rights. Possums don't have Rights. So people shoot them. In your mind, what is the difference?

You ignored what I previously wrote. i'll write it again.
parents try to build, for their children, a better life so that their children don't have to go through the same trials and tribulations that they themselves had to. Over the course of generations it has gone from us fighting the British, living in log cabins and only eating what we kill, to what we have now. We earned the right to live this way because our ancestors did it for us. These illegals haven't. We can't allow them to flood our borders and ruin our lifestyle by sucking on Governmental teat, and working for substandard wages that won't allow us to maintain our current lifestyles. They need to put out the blood, sweat, and bullets to fix their own damn countries like we fixed ours. It isn't up to us to do it for them.

That is a statement, not a question. The reality is, the average American is only worthy of being a victim of the truth. To wit:

In America, the government tries to tell parents how to rear their children. The thing of it is, if you follow their guidelines, the government's idea of parenting is a clusterphuck of a disaster. I'm not going to sugar coat it for you. Since parents cannot properly rear their children, they take their children to doctors or ask the government what to do.

Children end up on Ritalin or Adderall for the NONEXISTENT conditions called ADD / ADHD

The child begins to age and is then put on Opioids for "anxiety" and some will skip the legalities and buy opioids off the street

Many of those will start using illegal drugs like Marijuana, Heroin, Oxycontin, Crack, etc.Parents with good insurance will see their kids put on SSRIs.

Eventually, a large number of these people will become hard core drug addicts and they will acquire a criminal record. Being addicts they will not have any critical thinking skills, reasoning skills, and / or social skills. Most of those will not even finish high school. By the time they turn 26 they are dropped from mommy's insurance. So, now you have drug addicts with no education, no job skills, no reasoning skills, fifty tattoos, numerous body piercings, and a criminal record. So, who in the Hell is going to hire these people?

Let me put this into perspective:

America has about 4 percent of the world's population yet we consume over 80 percent of the world's opioid supply. We have more people in prison than any nation on this planet - the United States accounts for about 22 percent of the world's prison population. For every drug addict in a mental health facility being treated for drugs, there are more than ten drug addicts being held in prisons.

Instead of crying out for a need to get parents parenting, we are comfortable with allowing the government and Big Pharma rearing the children with drugs as opposed to allowing normal growing behavior to occur. Drugs become the first line of defense, not the last in dealing with the problems of children.

Now, these drug addicts have only way to support their habit and live any kind of lifestyle - sell drugs to the next generation. The problem is a societal issue, but we would rather waste money on the border to fight back at drug cartels while parents, the government and Big Pharma are creating the addicts... which in turn creates the drug cartels.

Can we get any more screwed up?

I raised my kids as i see fit. The only issue is the stupity in schools . Where disipline is out the door. When grew up, if i did wrong they paddled my butt, and i got it again when i got home. And i desrved it.

Now they are worried about being sued and trying to teach or kids Morality. That isnt their place.

You are dancing here. Where are you from. You screwed up earlier and let that out in a post.

Are you doing bad drugs? You're worried so much about me you can't focus on the issue. One minute I'm being accused of "dancing" and the next people are backpedaling because even though they don't like me, they understand I'm direct and consistent.

You accused me of wanting to kill them and you pissed me off. My opinions dont end where yours begin.

I think you are a fraud now..

 

[dblack]

So fucking what. The country is as we made it and we don't need illegals coming here and ruining it for us. No immigration until every American who wants a job has a job that pays a living wage.

More living wage nonsense. Trumpsters are socialists - no way around it.

 

[Slyhunter]

Each day I am on this board trying to find some consensus. Ray just wants the brown people gone; AzogtheDefiler says that they are trash. Here's where I am:

If you think those people are not human beings, why not load up your AR and go to the border and shoot them like you would any other rodent? What's stopping you? The only consensus I've seen thus far is that they are not human beings and, consequently do not have Rights. Possums don't have Rights. So people shoot them. In your mind, what is the difference?

You are out ofbounds. Flagged for unsportsman Like conduct.

I never said i was going to kill them. Place that attitude towards those that said it.

It's out of bounds? Your argument is that they are trash and have no Rights. They aren't even human beings. Read the thread. Prove it. How in the Hell is that "out of bounds?" I'd say you got checkmated.

Just because you hate people and think we're going to become lily white does not mean that YOU are not out of bounds either. I'm just as sick of you as you are of me. You know FULL WELL that those from south of the border have a Right to Life. It is an unalienable Right - as is Liberty. Explained the immigration law to you in post # 2086.

They need to fix their own country. They don't have a right to ruin what we have by flooding our borders and coming here. We built this country not them.

Free enterprise. You're letting your country go to shit and they are filling the void.

All they have to do is enter legally.

If that means they can't immigrate here because the line is too long then tough shit. We don't have room for all the worlds poor.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

Each day I am on this board trying to find some consensus. Ray just wants the brown people gone; AzogtheDefiler says that they are trash. Here's where I am:

If you think those people are not human beings, why not load up your AR and go to the border and shoot them like you would any other rodent? What's stopping you? The only consensus I've seen thus far is that they are not human beings and, consequently do not have Rights. Possums don't have Rights. So people shoot them. In your mind, what is the difference?

You are out ofbounds. Flagged for unsportsman Like conduct.

I never said i was going to kill them. Place that attitude towards those that said it.

It's out of bounds? Your argument is that they are trash and have no Rights. They aren't even human beings. Read the thread. Prove it. How in the Hell is that "out of bounds?" I'd say you got checkmated.

Just because you hate people and think we're going to become lily white does not mean that YOU are not out of bounds either. I'm just as sick of you as you are of me. You know FULL WELL that those from south of the border have a Right to Life. It is an unalienable Right - as is Liberty. Explained the immigration law to you in post # 2086.

I never fucking said that moron.

Did I say you specifically said it OR have I not made my point clear to you? I'm not here to sell you any point of view. I'm trying to find the consensus. If you interfere and want to debate me when I don't want to debate (this IS a discussion forum), then it is only logical to say, birds of a feather flock together. So, instead of seeing how many posts you can make, make your point and move on. I'm debating roughly eight people at a time and am NOT going to continue answering the same questions over and over. Read the freaking thread and quit posting so much if you want answers.

You threw that shit at me. I didnt say that and called you out on it. You lump together shit that wasnt my view point.

That is the whole point of why I'm asking questions. We'd get further along in this discussion if you cut the crap, answer my questions or ignore me. I'm not selling you anything... open borders, racism, stupidity, or any of the other stuff on this board. I'm asking questions.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

You are only proving a point I've been making since I got on this thread. The Democrats adopted the political idea BEFORE Trump came along. It is not a conservative idea.

The talking points were pioneered by white supremacists and National Socialists back in the 1970s. So, I would presume you have a point?

To some its political. To some its not.

It is a barrier to impede illegals and drugs to make securing the border easier for CBP.

Politicians have grand standed for votes and not built effective barriers. They refuse to fix the loop holes. Those ideas are right to me. They have been right to me for decades.

20 to 25 billion will provide about 1000 miles total of wall. In high traffic areas where they say they need them. We should do as the professionals request tosupport them

Each day I am on this board trying to find some consensus. Ray just wants the brown people gone; AzogtheDefiler says that they are trash. Here's where I am:

If you think those people are not human beings, why not load up your AR and go to the border and shoot them like you would any other rodent? What's stopping you? The only consensus I've seen thus far is that they are not human beings and, consequently do not have Rights. Possums don't have Rights. So people shoot them. In your mind, what is the difference?

You ignored what I previously wrote. i'll write it again.
parents try to build, for their children, a better life so that their children don't have to go through the same trials and tribulations that they themselves had to. Over the course of generations it has gone from us fighting the British, living in log cabins and only eating what we kill, to what we have now. We earned the right to live this way because our ancestors did it for us. These illegals haven't. We can't allow them to flood our borders and ruin our lifestyle by sucking on Governmental teat, and working for substandard wages that won't allow us to maintain our current lifestyles. They need to put out the blood, sweat, and bullets to fix their own damn countries like we fixed ours. It isn't up to us to do it for them.

That is a statement, not a question. The reality is, the average American is only worthy of being a victim of the truth. To wit:

In America, the government tries to tell parents how to rear their children. The thing of it is, if you follow their guidelines, the government's idea of parenting is a clusterphuck of a disaster. I'm not going to sugar coat it for you. Since parents cannot properly rear their children, they take their children to doctors or ask the government what to do.

Children end up on Ritalin or Adderall for the NONEXISTENT conditions called ADD / ADHD

The child begins to age and is then put on Opioids for "anxiety" and some will skip the legalities and buy opioids off the street

Many of those will start using illegal drugs like Marijuana, Heroin, Oxycontin, Crack, etc.Parents with good insurance will see their kids put on SSRIs.

Eventually, a large number of these people will become hard core drug addicts and they will acquire a criminal record. Being addicts they will not have any critical thinking skills, reasoning skills, and / or social skills. Most of those will not even finish high school. By the time they turn 26 they are dropped from mommy's insurance. So, now you have drug addicts with no education, no job skills, no reasoning skills, fifty tattoos, numerous body piercings, and a criminal record. So, who in the Hell is going to hire these people?

Let me put this into perspective:

America has about 4 percent of the world's population yet we consume over 80 percent of the world's opioid supply. We have more people in prison than any nation on this planet - the United States accounts for about 22 percent of the world's prison population. For every drug addict in a mental health facility being treated for drugs, there are more than ten drug addicts being held in prisons.

Instead of crying out for a need to get parents parenting, we are comfortable with allowing the government and Big Pharma rearing the children with drugs as opposed to allowing normal growing behavior to occur. Drugs become the first line of defense, not the last in dealing with the problems of children.

Now, these drug addicts have only way to support their habit and live any kind of lifestyle - sell drugs to the next generation. The problem is a societal issue, but we would rather waste money on the border to fight back at drug cartels while parents, the government and Big Pharma are creating the addicts... which in turn creates the drug cartels.

Can we get any more screwed up?

Find the post where I said they were trash. That is an outright lie.

You stand behind the crowd that DID say it. I cannot "debate" as the delusional build the wall guys call it and be expected to say who said what when I'm trying to answer all of you at 80 wpm. If you wanted an answer, you would limit the posts and give me time to find out who said exactly what. All I can say is, you don't want the truth.

 

[eagle1462010]

You are out ofbounds. Flagged for unsportsman Like conduct.

I never said i was going to kill them. Place that attitude towards those that said it.

It's out of bounds? Your argument is that they are trash and have no Rights. They aren't even human beings. Read the thread. Prove it. How in the Hell is that "out of bounds?" I'd say you got checkmated.

Just because you hate people and think we're going to become lily white does not mean that YOU are not out of bounds either. I'm just as sick of you as you are of me. You know FULL WELL that those from south of the border have a Right to Life. It is an unalienable Right - as is Liberty. Explained the immigration law to you in post # 2086.

I never fucking said that moron.

Did I say you specifically said it OR have I not made my point clear to you? I'm not here to sell you any point of view. I'm trying to find the consensus. If you interfere and want to debate me when I don't want to debate (this IS a discussion forum), then it is only logical to say, birds of a feather flock together. So, instead of seeing how many posts you can make, make your point and move on. I'm debating roughly eight people at a time and am NOT going to continue answering the same questions over and over. Read the freaking thread and quit posting so much if you want answers.

You threw that shit at me. I didnt say that and called you out on it. You lump together shit that wasnt my view point.

That is the whole point of why I'm asking questions. We'd get further along in this discussion if you cut the crap, answer my questions or ignore me. I'm not selling you anything... open borders, racism, stupidity, or any of the other stuff on this board. I'm asking questions.

You are Preaching your opininions and nothing else. When we dont agree you get rattled. Your problem not mine. I stand by my opinion. Which is obviously not yours . So he it.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

You are only proving a point I've been making since I got on this thread. The Democrats adopted the political idea BEFORE Trump came along. It is not a conservative idea.

The talking points were pioneered by white supremacists and National Socialists back in the 1970s. So, I would presume you have a point?

It's true. In the 2000's us liberals were against illegal immigrants while 75% of the Republican party was arguing they were just here doing jobs Americans won't do. That's a lie.

Do a little math. The Bureau of Labor Statistics says there are 7.6 million unemployed Americans right now. Another 1.5 million Americans are no longer counted because they've become "long term" or "discouraged" unemployed workers. And although various groups have different ways of measuring it, most agree that at least another five to ten million Americans are either working part-time when they want to work full-time, or are "underemployed," doing jobs below their level of training, education, or experience. That's between eight and twenty million un- and under-employed Americans, many unable to find above-poverty-level work.

At the same time, there are between seven and fifteen million working illegal immigrants diluting our labor pool.

If illegal immigrants could no longer work, unions would flourish, the minimum wage would rise, and oligarchic nations to our south would have to confront and fix their corrupt ways.

Between the Reagan years - when there were only around 1 to 2 million illegal aliens in our workforce - and today, we've gone from about 25 percent of our private workforce being unionized to around seven percent. Much of this is the direct result - as César Chávez predicted - of illegal immigrants competing directly with unionized and legal labor. Although it's most obvious in the construction trades over the past 30 years, it's hit all sectors of our economy.

My math is simple:

I run ads on Craigslist, in community papers and list with the Dept. of Labor. People don't even show up for an interview.

I could give you the REAL reason this happens, but it would take more than twenty words and you would not admit it. I can show you a hundred people today under 40 that have never worked a job and they won't. Most of it is the fault of people who back bad legislation because you're wholly uninformed.

Pay more. Supply/Demand economics. What is the job?

I'm a minister with a jobs program. We have temp, temp to perm and permanent jobs in many fields from laborers to farm workers and from warehouse workers to construction / handymen positions.

Whites will not work the jobs.

Your anecdotal stories don't hold true across the country, I have 5 guys numbers, all white, all citizens, I can call for handyman work, brush clearing and other things. I have 5 acres and the forest is constantly trying to reclaim cleared areas.

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Anecdotal? They do tv segments on it here. It's statewide and we ran # 4 in the nation for the number of undocumented foreigners.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

Each day I am on this board trying to find some consensus. Ray just wants the brown people gone; AzogtheDefiler says that they are trash. Here's where I am:

If you think those people are not human beings, why not load up your AR and go to the border and shoot them like you would any other rodent? What's stopping you? The only consensus I've seen thus far is that they are not human beings and, consequently do not have Rights. Possums don't have Rights. So people shoot them. In your mind, what is the difference?

You are out ofbounds. Flagged for unsportsman Like conduct.

I never said i was going to kill them. Place that attitude towards those that said it.

It's out of bounds? Your argument is that they are trash and have no Rights. They aren't even human beings. Read the thread. Prove it. How in the Hell is that "out of bounds?" I'd say you got checkmated.

Just because you hate people and think we're going to become lily white does not mean that YOU are not out of bounds either. I'm just as sick of you as you are of me. You know FULL WELL that those from south of the border have a Right to Life. It is an unalienable Right - as is Liberty. Explained the immigration law to you in post # 2086.

They need to fix their own country. They don't have a right to ruin what we have by flooding our borders and coming here. We built this country not them.

Free enterprise. You're letting your country go to shit and they are filling the void.

All they have to do is enter legally.

No such thing exists because the feds never had control over the states. Read the thread and keep up.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

Each day I am on this board trying to find some consensus. Ray just wants the brown people gone; AzogtheDefiler says that they are trash. Here's where I am:

If you think those people are not human beings, why not load up your AR and go to the border and shoot them like you would any other rodent? What's stopping you? The only consensus I've seen thus far is that they are not human beings and, consequently do not have Rights. Possums don't have Rights. So people shoot them. In your mind, what is the difference?

You ignored what I previously wrote. i'll write it again.
parents try to build, for their children, a better life so that their children don't have to go through the same trials and tribulations that they themselves had to. Over the course of generations it has gone from us fighting the British, living in log cabins and only eating what we kill, to what we have now. We earned the right to live this way because our ancestors did it for us. These illegals haven't. We can't allow them to flood our borders and ruin our lifestyle by sucking on Governmental teat, and working for substandard wages that won't allow us to maintain our current lifestyles. They need to put out the blood, sweat, and bullets to fix their own damn countries like we fixed ours. It isn't up to us to do it for them.

That is a statement, not a question. The reality is, the average American is only worthy of being a victim of the truth. To wit:

In America, the government tries to tell parents how to rear their children. The thing of it is, if you follow their guidelines, the government's idea of parenting is a clusterphuck of a disaster. I'm not going to sugar coat it for you. Since parents cannot properly rear their children, they take their children to doctors or ask the government what to do.

Children end up on Ritalin or Adderall for the NONEXISTENT conditions called ADD / ADHD

The child begins to age and is then put on Opioids for "anxiety" and some will skip the legalities and buy opioids off the street

Many of those will start using illegal drugs like Marijuana, Heroin, Oxycontin, Crack, etc.Parents with good insurance will see their kids put on SSRIs.

Eventually, a large number of these people will become hard core drug addicts and they will acquire a criminal record. Being addicts they will not have any critical thinking skills, reasoning skills, and / or social skills. Most of those will not even finish high school. By the time they turn 26 they are dropped from mommy's insurance. So, now you have drug addicts with no education, no job skills, no reasoning skills, fifty tattoos, numerous body piercings, and a criminal record. So, who in the Hell is going to hire these people?

Let me put this into perspective:

America has about 4 percent of the world's population yet we consume over 80 percent of the world's opioid supply. We have more people in prison than any nation on this planet - the United States accounts for about 22 percent of the world's prison population. For every drug addict in a mental health facility being treated for drugs, there are more than ten drug addicts being held in prisons.

Instead of crying out for a need to get parents parenting, we are comfortable with allowing the government and Big Pharma rearing the children with drugs as opposed to allowing normal growing behavior to occur. Drugs become the first line of defense, not the last in dealing with the problems of children.

Now, these drug addicts have only way to support their habit and live any kind of lifestyle - sell drugs to the next generation. The problem is a societal issue, but we would rather waste money on the border to fight back at drug cartels while parents, the government and Big Pharma are creating the addicts... which in turn creates the drug cartels.

Can we get any more screwed up?

I raised my kids as i see fit. The only issue is the stupity in schools . Where disipline is out the door. When grew up, if i did wrong they paddled my butt, and i got it again when i got home. And i desrved it.

Now they are worried about being sued and trying to teach or kids Morality. That isnt their place.

You are dancing here. Where are you from. You screwed up earlier and let that out in a post.

Are you doing bad drugs? You're worried so much about me you can't focus on the issue. One minute I'm being accused of "dancing" and the next people are backpedaling because even though they don't like me, they understand I'm direct and consistent.

You are also a liar. Is that not a sin?

Just because you said it don't make it true. What are you afraid of? Why don't you quit posting for an hour, allow me to answer others and focus on who said what? Are you afraid? Everybody thinks they are due an answer, but nobody wants to give me an opportunity. I'm not lying. I'm trying to fight eight battles at the same time. You couldn't do it snowflake.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

You are only proving a point I've been making since I got on this thread. The Democrats adopted the political idea BEFORE Trump came along. It is not a conservative idea.

The talking points were pioneered by white supremacists and National Socialists back in the 1970s. So, I would presume you have a point?

To some its political. To some its not.

It is a barrier to impede illegals and drugs to make securing the border easier for CBP.

Politicians have grand standed for votes and not built effective barriers. They refuse to fix the loop holes. Those ideas are right to me. They have been right to me for decades.

20 to 25 billion will provide about 1000 miles total of wall. In high traffic areas where they say they need them. We should do as the professionals request tosupport them

Each day I am on this board trying to find some consensus. Ray just wants the brown people gone; AzogtheDefiler says that they are trash. Here's where I am:

If you think those people are not human beings, why not load up your AR and go to the border and shoot them like you would any other rodent? What's stopping you? The only consensus I've seen thus far is that they are not human beings and, consequently do not have Rights. Possums don't have Rights. So people shoot them. In your mind, what is the difference?

You ignored what I previously wrote. i'll write it again.
parents try to build, for their children, a better life so that their children don't have to go through the same trials and tribulations that they themselves had to. Over the course of generations it has gone from us fighting the British, living in log cabins and only eating what we kill, to what we have now. We earned the right to live this way because our ancestors did it for us. These illegals haven't. We can't allow them to flood our borders and ruin our lifestyle by sucking on Governmental teat, and working for substandard wages that won't allow us to maintain our current lifestyles. They need to put out the blood, sweat, and bullets to fix their own damn countries like we fixed ours. It isn't up to us to do it for them.

That is a statement, not a question. The reality is, the average American is only worthy of being a victim of the truth. To wit:

In America, the government tries to tell parents how to rear their children. The thing of it is, if you follow their guidelines, the government's idea of parenting is a clusterphuck of a disaster. I'm not going to sugar coat it for you. Since parents cannot properly rear their children, they take their children to doctors or ask the government what to do.

Children end up on Ritalin or Adderall for the NONEXISTENT conditions called ADD / ADHD

The child begins to age and is then put on Opioids for "anxiety" and some will skip the legalities and buy opioids off the street

Many of those will start using illegal drugs like Marijuana, Heroin, Oxycontin, Crack, etc.Parents with good insurance will see their kids put on SSRIs.

Eventually, a large number of these people will become hard core drug addicts and they will acquire a criminal record. Being addicts they will not have any critical thinking skills, reasoning skills, and / or social skills. Most of those will not even finish high school. By the time they turn 26 they are dropped from mommy's insurance. So, now you have drug addicts with no education, no job skills, no reasoning skills, fifty tattoos, numerous body piercings, and a criminal record. So, who in the Hell is going to hire these people?

Let me put this into perspective:

America has about 4 percent of the world's population yet we consume over 80 percent of the world's opioid supply. We have more people in prison than any nation on this planet - the United States accounts for about 22 percent of the world's prison population. For every drug addict in a mental health facility being treated for drugs, there are more than ten drug addicts being held in prisons.

Instead of crying out for a need to get parents parenting, we are comfortable with allowing the government and Big Pharma rearing the children with drugs as opposed to allowing normal growing behavior to occur. Drugs become the first line of defense, not the last in dealing with the problems of children.

Now, these drug addicts have only way to support their habit and live any kind of lifestyle - sell drugs to the next generation. The problem is a societal issue, but we would rather waste money on the border to fight back at drug cartels while parents, the government and Big Pharma are creating the addicts... which in turn creates the drug cartels.

Can we get any more screwed up?

So fucking what. The country is as we made it and we don't need illegals coming here and ruining it for us. No immigration until every American who wants a job has a job that pays a living wage.

Dude, I'm going to get my work done whether it whizzes people off or not. Jobs are available. There are enough jobs; been explained umpteen times to you.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

Each day I am on this board trying to find some consensus. Ray just wants the brown people gone; AzogtheDefiler says that they are trash. Here's where I am:

If you think those people are not human beings, why not load up your AR and go to the border and shoot them like you would any other rodent? What's stopping you? The only consensus I've seen thus far is that they are not human beings and, consequently do not have Rights. Possums don't have Rights. So people shoot them. In your mind, what is the difference?

You are out ofbounds. Flagged for unsportsman Like conduct.

I never said i was going to kill them. Place that attitude towards those that said it.

It's out of bounds? Your argument is that they are trash and have no Rights. They aren't even human beings. Read the thread. Prove it. How in the Hell is that "out of bounds?" I'd say you got checkmated.

Just because you hate people and think we're going to become lily white does not mean that YOU are not out of bounds either. I'm just as sick of you as you are of me. You know FULL WELL that those from south of the border have a Right to Life. It is an unalienable Right - as is Liberty. Explained the immigration law to you in post # 2086.

I never fucking said that moron.

Did I say you specifically said it OR have I not made my point clear to you? I'm not here to sell you any point of view. I'm trying to find the consensus. If you interfere and want to debate me when I don't want to debate (this IS a discussion forum), then it is only logical to say, birds of a feather flock together. So, instead of seeing how many posts you can make, make your point and move on. I'm debating roughly eight people at a time and am NOT going to continue answering the same questions over and over. Read the freaking thread and quit posting so much if you want answers.

I'm in 15 different threads and you're having trouble dealing with just one.

Are you being attacked to the point that, at 80 wpm, for every one post you respond to, another ten posts are created that are directed toward you?

 

[otto105]

You are only proving a point I've been making since I got on this thread. The Democrats adopted the political idea BEFORE Trump came along. It is not a conservative idea.

The talking points were pioneered by white supremacists and National Socialists back in the 1970s. So, I would presume you have a point?

To some its political. To some its not.

It is a barrier to impede illegals and drugs to make securing the border easier for CBP.

Politicians have grand standed for votes and not built effective barriers. They refuse to fix the loop holes. Those ideas are right to me. They have been right to me for decades.

20 to 25 billion will provide about 1000 miles total of wall. In high traffic areas where they say they need them. We should do as the professionals request tosupport them

Each day I am on this board trying to find some consensus. Ray just wants the brown people gone; AzogtheDefiler says that they are trash. Here's where I am:

If you think those people are not human beings, why not load up your AR and go to the border and shoot them like you would any other rodent? What's stopping you? The only consensus I've seen thus far is that they are not human beings and, consequently do not have Rights. Possums don't have Rights. So people shoot them. In your mind, what is the difference?

You ignored what I previously wrote. i'll write it again.
parents try to build, for their children, a better life so that their children don't have to go through the same trials and tribulations that they themselves had to. Over the course of generations it has gone from us fighting the British, living in log cabins and only eating what we kill, to what we have now. We earned the right to live this way because our ancestors did it for us. These illegals haven't. We can't allow them to flood our borders and ruin our lifestyle by sucking on Governmental teat, and working for substandard wages that won't allow us to maintain our current lifestyles. They need to put out the blood, sweat, and bullets to fix their own damn countries like we fixed ours. It isn't up to us to do it for them.

That is a statement, not a question. The reality is, the average American is only worthy of being a victim of the truth. To wit:

In America, the government tries to tell parents how to rear their children. The thing of it is, if you follow their guidelines, the government's idea of parenting is a clusterphuck of a disaster. I'm not going to sugar coat it for you. Since parents cannot properly rear their children, they take their children to doctors or ask the government what to do.

Children end up on Ritalin or Adderall for the NONEXISTENT conditions called ADD / ADHD

The child begins to age and is then put on Opioids for "anxiety" and some will skip the legalities and buy opioids off the street

Many of those will start using illegal drugs like Marijuana, Heroin, Oxycontin, Crack, etc.Parents with good insurance will see their kids put on SSRIs.

Eventually, a large number of these people will become hard core drug addicts and they will acquire a criminal record. Being addicts they will not have any critical thinking skills, reasoning skills, and / or social skills. Most of those will not even finish high school. By the time they turn 26 they are dropped from mommy's insurance. So, now you have drug addicts with no education, no job skills, no reasoning skills, fifty tattoos, numerous body piercings, and a criminal record. So, who in the Hell is going to hire these people?

Let me put this into perspective:

America has about 4 percent of the world's population yet we consume over 80 percent of the world's opioid supply. We have more people in prison than any nation on this planet - the United States accounts for about 22 percent of the world's prison population. For every drug addict in a mental health facility being treated for drugs, there are more than ten drug addicts being held in prisons.

Instead of crying out for a need to get parents parenting, we are comfortable with allowing the government and Big Pharma rearing the children with drugs as opposed to allowing normal growing behavior to occur. Drugs become the first line of defense, not the last in dealing with the problems of children.

Now, these drug addicts have only way to support their habit and live any kind of lifestyle - sell drugs to the next generation. The problem is a societal issue, but we would rather waste money on the border to fight back at drug cartels while parents, the government and Big Pharma are creating the addicts... which in turn creates the drug cartels.

Can we get any more screwed up?

So fucking what. The country is as we made it and we don't need illegals coming here and ruining it for us. No immigration until every American who wants a job has a job that pays a living wage.

This country was made with immigration.

What you want is great white whale...er wall.

 

[OKTexas]

President Barack Obama: "Real reform means strong border security, and we can build on the progress my administration has already made — putting more boots on the Southern border than at any time in our history and reducing illegal crossings to their lowest levels in 40 years.”

Secretary Hillary Clinton: "I voted numerous times when I was a senator to spend money to build a barrier to try to prevent illegal immigrants from coming in. And I do think that you have to control your borders."

President Bill Clinton: "It is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws we have seen in recent years, and we must do more to stop it."

You are only proving a point I've been making since I got on this thread. The Democrats adopted the political idea BEFORE Trump came along. It is not a conservative idea.

The talking points were pioneered by white supremacists and National Socialists back in the 1970s. So, I would presume you have a point?

My only point is that border patrol agents want it and they are on the frontlines. I would think we would and should be willing to support them. That is all.

What Border Agents Say They Want (It’s Not a Wall)

The report was based on internal Customs and Border Protection documents from the 2017 fiscal year. It concluded that less than one half of 1 percent of the agents’ suggestions to secure the Southwest border mentioned the need for a wall.

I've seen other reports that contradict and I actually saw them on TV stating they want a WALL!!!!

In four Customs and Border Protection sectors where physical barriers have been expanded — El Paso, Yuma, Tucson, and San Diego — illegal traffic has dropped by at least 90%.

Dems pre-Trump:

-Hillary: Supported border wall
-Obama: More border security, illegals must speak English, go to back of line
-Schumer: Border walls work
-Reid: Offering benefits to illegals = insane
-Feinstein: US can't be Mexico's welfare
-Clinton: Illegal immigration is wrong

I support border security. A wall is a waste of money. But watching the border is important. You can watch the border with or without a wall. And when you eventually stop watching the border without a wall then you don't feel stupid for building an unnecessary wall that was a huge waste of time and money and now has so many holes in it that it looks like swiss cheese.

Watching doesn't prevent 1 person from crossing, drones, sensors and other technology won't prevent 1 person from crossing. Then we have to spend nearly $12,000 for each one we catch to deport them. Walls where erected have proven effective.

.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

It's out of bounds? Your argument is that they are trash and have no Rights. They aren't even human beings. Read the thread. Prove it. How in the Hell is that "out of bounds?" I'd say you got checkmated.

Just because you hate people and think we're going to become lily white does not mean that YOU are not out of bounds either. I'm just as sick of you as you are of me. You know FULL WELL that those from south of the border have a Right to Life. It is an unalienable Right - as is Liberty. Explained the immigration law to you in post # 2086.

I never fucking said that moron.

Did I say you specifically said it OR have I not made my point clear to you? I'm not here to sell you any point of view. I'm trying to find the consensus. If you interfere and want to debate me when I don't want to debate (this IS a discussion forum), then it is only logical to say, birds of a feather flock together. So, instead of seeing how many posts you can make, make your point and move on. I'm debating roughly eight people at a time and am NOT going to continue answering the same questions over and over. Read the freaking thread and quit posting so much if you want answers.

You threw that shit at me. I didnt say that and called you out on it. You lump together shit that wasnt my view point.

That is the whole point of why I'm asking questions. We'd get further along in this discussion if you cut the crap, answer my questions or ignore me. I'm not selling you anything... open borders, racism, stupidity, or any of the other stuff on this board. I'm asking questions.

You are Preaching your opininions and nothing else. When we dont agree you get rattled. Your problem not mine. I stand by my opinion. Which is obviously not yours . So he it.

I'm here to ask questions. I didn't want to give an opinion either way. We'd both be happier if you would just quit asking me. This is not about me. It's about the OP.

 

[Slyhunter]

To some its political. To some its not.

It is a barrier to impede illegals and drugs to make securing the border easier for CBP.

Politicians have grand standed for votes and not built effective barriers. They refuse to fix the loop holes. Those ideas are right to me. They have been right to me for decades.

20 to 25 billion will provide about 1000 miles total of wall. In high traffic areas where they say they need them. We should do as the professionals request tosupport them

Each day I am on this board trying to find some consensus. Ray just wants the brown people gone; AzogtheDefiler says that they are trash. Here's where I am:

If you think those people are not human beings, why not load up your AR and go to the border and shoot them like you would any other rodent? What's stopping you? The only consensus I've seen thus far is that they are not human beings and, consequently do not have Rights. Possums don't have Rights. So people shoot them. In your mind, what is the difference?

You ignored what I previously wrote. i'll write it again.
parents try to build, for their children, a better life so that their children don't have to go through the same trials and tribulations that they themselves had to. Over the course of generations it has gone from us fighting the British, living in log cabins and only eating what we kill, to what we have now. We earned the right to live this way because our ancestors did it for us. These illegals haven't. We can't allow them to flood our borders and ruin our lifestyle by sucking on Governmental teat, and working for substandard wages that won't allow us to maintain our current lifestyles. They need to put out the blood, sweat, and bullets to fix their own damn countries like we fixed ours. It isn't up to us to do it for them.

That is a statement, not a question. The reality is, the average American is only worthy of being a victim of the truth. To wit:

In America, the government tries to tell parents how to rear their children. The thing of it is, if you follow their guidelines, the government's idea of parenting is a clusterphuck of a disaster. I'm not going to sugar coat it for you. Since parents cannot properly rear their children, they take their children to doctors or ask the government what to do.

Children end up on Ritalin or Adderall for the NONEXISTENT conditions called ADD / ADHD

The child begins to age and is then put on Opioids for "anxiety" and some will skip the legalities and buy opioids off the street

Many of those will start using illegal drugs like Marijuana, Heroin, Oxycontin, Crack, etc.Parents with good insurance will see their kids put on SSRIs.

Eventually, a large number of these people will become hard core drug addicts and they will acquire a criminal record. Being addicts they will not have any critical thinking skills, reasoning skills, and / or social skills. Most of those will not even finish high school. By the time they turn 26 they are dropped from mommy's insurance. So, now you have drug addicts with no education, no job skills, no reasoning skills, fifty tattoos, numerous body piercings, and a criminal record. So, who in the Hell is going to hire these people?

Let me put this into perspective:

America has about 4 percent of the world's population yet we consume over 80 percent of the world's opioid supply. We have more people in prison than any nation on this planet - the United States accounts for about 22 percent of the world's prison population. For every drug addict in a mental health facility being treated for drugs, there are more than ten drug addicts being held in prisons.

Instead of crying out for a need to get parents parenting, we are comfortable with allowing the government and Big Pharma rearing the children with drugs as opposed to allowing normal growing behavior to occur. Drugs become the first line of defense, not the last in dealing with the problems of children.

Now, these drug addicts have only way to support their habit and live any kind of lifestyle - sell drugs to the next generation. The problem is a societal issue, but we would rather waste money on the border to fight back at drug cartels while parents, the government and Big Pharma are creating the addicts... which in turn creates the drug cartels.

Can we get any more screwed up?

So fucking what. The country is as we made it and we don't need illegals coming here and ruining it for us. No immigration until every American who wants a job has a job that pays a living wage.

Dude, I'm going to get my work done whether it whizzes people off or not. Jobs are available. There are enough jobs; been explained umpteen times to you.

So this is your job and your work consist of posting lie's and convincing people that we don't need a wall?

 

[Slyhunter]

You are out ofbounds. Flagged for unsportsman Like conduct.

I never said i was going to kill them. Place that attitude towards those that said it.

It's out of bounds? Your argument is that they are trash and have no Rights. They aren't even human beings. Read the thread. Prove it. How in the Hell is that "out of bounds?" I'd say you got checkmated.

Just because you hate people and think we're going to become lily white does not mean that YOU are not out of bounds either. I'm just as sick of you as you are of me. You know FULL WELL that those from south of the border have a Right to Life. It is an unalienable Right - as is Liberty. Explained the immigration law to you in post # 2086.

I never fucking said that moron.

Did I say you specifically said it OR have I not made my point clear to you? I'm not here to sell you any point of view. I'm trying to find the consensus. If you interfere and want to debate me when I don't want to debate (this IS a discussion forum), then it is only logical to say, birds of a feather flock together. So, instead of seeing how many posts you can make, make your point and move on. I'm debating roughly eight people at a time and am NOT going to continue answering the same questions over and over. Read the freaking thread and quit posting so much if you want answers.

I'm in 15 different threads and you're having trouble dealing with just one.

Are you being attacked to the point that, at 80 wpm, for every one post you respond to, another ten posts are created that are directed toward you?

You worry about the current one and when finished move on to the next.
Maybe you should write fewer dissertations and just get to the point, you don't think the wall will prevent people from coming into our country and I think it will stop a lot of them.