Why is naturalism considered scientific and creationism is not ?

[orogenicman]

NOVA | Evolution

Bump.

I highly recommend that everyone interested in evolution watch this program. Yes, it is very long (nearly 2 hours), but IMHO, it is the best overall film discussing modern evolutionary theory that is available anywhere. It addresses every issue that has been brought up in this thread and in fact, goes far beyond what has been discussed. YWC, if you don't watch this film, then you have nothing to add to the dialogue, and should probably just run away.

I have not seen you yet put up a convincing argument. You still have not shown me this ape to human evolution.

Humans ARE apes. For you to deny this widely accepted and easily demonstrated fact only shows the rest of us that how friggin ignorant you are. Watch the movie.

 

[orogenicman]

Bump.

I highly recommend that everyone interested in evolution watch this program. Yes, it is very long (nearly 2 hours), but IMHO, it is the best overall film discussing modern evolutionary theory that is available anywhere. It addresses every issue that has been brought up in this thread and in fact, goes far beyond what has been discussed. YWC, if you don't watch this film, then you have nothing to add to the dialogue, and should probably just run away.

And, to make it just a bit more complicated;

NOVA | Epigenetics

Because it's on pbs it must be credible,I see.

Because it presents the latest findings by REPUTABLE, well known and respected scientists (REAL SCIENTISTS).

You really should get out of your basement more.

 

[daws101]

Listen, let's get something straight. The dating methods have been tested by objects known age. Example MT st helens was tested,trees were tested and you have animals that were tested. It is an assumption they are accurate that is all it is. No one was there to know so you're assuming they are accurate. Ignoring evidence that contradicts the methods used.

Example MT st helens was tested,trees were tested and you have animals that were tested.

Sounds like a fairy tale.

That is exactly what many so called scientific theories are.

you're right, all pseudoscience theories based on scripture (aka so called) are fairy tales..!

 

[daws101]

So is the earth considered orderly or chaotic and experiencing an increase in disorder ?

If you understood physics, you should understand that you can have areas of decreasing entropy, even though the entropy of the Universe is increasing.

But you don't, obviously.

Not a physics major and never claimed to be. Give me an example and let's see how rational your thinking is.

odd that you presume you have the skill set to judge who and what are rational when a quick check of your posts screams otherwise.
your hubris is showing...

 

[daws101]

Hey, did any of you creationists ever find that bunny rabbit in the Cambrian?

Evolution: What the Fossils Say and Why It Matters

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yccI3YXMYcc

If I were you, I would not use the fossil record as evidence for your Ideological belief. The fossil record is a mess in defending your theory.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMUdHnGf0ZI]The Truth About The Fossil Record Living Fossils Interview with Dr. Carl Werner - YouTube[/ame]

[ame=http://creation.com/carl-werner]Carl Werner[/ame]


biased ..no credibility.

 

[daws101]

Your supposed accuracy is based on assumption.don't you get it ? They are assuming the dating methods are accurate and have no way of proving their accuracy.

According to your logic, the atomic bomb was based on assumptions, and not scientific observations. Sonny, you should tell that to the Japanese.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgbO18l5gZk]Radio Metric Dating and How it Works - YouTube[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TK0h2sXzHls]Changes in Radioactive Decay Startles Physicists - Space News - YouTube[/ame]

more non evidence...

 

[daws101]

NOVA | Evolution

good luck getting ywc to read or watch that, I posted it many times on the creationist thread and slapdick flat refused to watch any part of it....real science makes him shit his boxers.

 

[daws101]

The entropy of the Sun is increasing.
The Sun's energy allows a plant to turn CO2 and H2O into sugar and cellulose.
See, decreasing entropy in a localized area without violating the 2nd Law.

A natural process by design and the sun is increasing in entropy,it's not just the sun increasing in entropy. Natural processes continue doing what they were designed to do.

A natural process of supernatural "design"?

There's an inherent contradiction in a natural process requiring supermagical gawds.

Were you thumped over the head at an early age?

dribbled like a basketball is more accurate....

 

[orogenicman]

Hey, did any of you creationists ever find that bunny rabbit in the Cambrian?

Evolution: What the Fossils Say and Why It Matters

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yccI3YXMYcc

If I were you, I would not use the fossil record as evidence for your Ideological belief. The fossil record is a mess in defending your theory.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMUdHnGf0ZI]The Truth About The Fossil Record Living Fossils Interview with Dr. Carl Werner - YouTube[/ame]

[ame=http://creation.com/carl-werner]Carl Werner[/ame]


biased ..no credibility.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1f_VINHN_0]The Fail of Dr Carl Werner's method of Investigation, in the name of Creation Science. - YouTube[/ame]

One of the books he wrote is "Evolution: The Grand Experiment".
Link to an article about that book, in which he is debunked numerous times:

http://cafewitteveen.wordpress.com/...the-grand-experiment-a-book-review/#more-4342

Note: Dr. Carl Werner is a doctor of medicine. He holds no scientific degree in the field for studying fossils. I have also not found any peer-reviewed articles he may have published in that sceintific field of study.

He is basically like most YT users, like I am too, not being a peer-reviewed scientist. And seeing what books he puplishes,... I think it is very unlikely he will ever get peer-reviewed by the revered scientific community on his ideas and viewpoints,... that being supporting the religious creation viewpoints.

 

[orogenicman]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5kckGxwJr4]Flintstones Archaeology - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Youwerecreated]

Bump.

I highly recommend that everyone interested in evolution watch this program. Yes, it is very long (nearly 2 hours), but IMHO, it is the best overall film discussing modern evolutionary theory that is available anywhere. It addresses every issue that has been brought up in this thread and in fact, goes far beyond what has been discussed. YWC, if you don't watch this film, then you have nothing to add to the dialogue, and should probably just run away.

I have not seen you yet put up a convincing argument. You still have not shown me this ape to human evolution.

Humans ARE apes. For you to deny this widely accepted and easily demonstrated fact only shows the rest of us that how friggin ignorant you are. Watch the movie.

Look, whatever convinces you of ape to human evolution does not convince me. The Y chromosome is evidence I have repeatedly asked you about that you don't have an answer for. You attempted once to answer but the evidence did not address the question because you didn't understand what the evidence was you presented.

I took all the classes necessary to gain a degree in science and passed all those classes needed. Your videos is just more of the same ol arguments that I believe are baseless that is why I am now a creationist. The problem with most of you is that you don't know the difference between conjecture and actual empirical evidence or you don't realize the argument lacks empirical evidence.

 

[Youwerecreated]

Not sure what you just said there.
Decreasing entropy in a localized area without violating the 2nd Law.
Do you understand?

Don't you think the plant is actually the one that can take the suns energy not to much just enough and convert CO2 and H20 into sugar and cellulose ? The suns energy is used by the plant not the other way around. This is not decreasing entropy,this is a natural process that is Programmed in to the plant. Once again you ignore the genetic programming.

Don't you think the plant is actually the one that can take the suns energy not to much just enough and convert CO2 and H20 into sugar and cellulose ?

Yes, I think plants can use the Sun's energy to turn CO2 and H2O into sugar and cellulose.

The suns energy is used by the plant not the other way around.

Right, the Sun does not use the energy of the plant.

this is a natural process

A natural process that decreases local entropy and does not violate the 2nd Law.

This is not decreasing entropy

The sugar and cellulose has more order and more energy than the H2O and CO2. That is decreasing entropy. Still don't understand?

If you wish to believe this is decreasing entropy in a small area go ahead . No harm,no foul,The planet and universe is much larger, that is increasing entropy. We are just gonna have to agree to disagree concerning natural processes.

 

[Youwerecreated]

Yes I am. As I've said, I am a geologist with over 20 years of field experience, and am published? You? Of course you are not. Next.

There is nothing you can show me that I have not read about. You can simply put it here, what you think you can show me to cause me to reject what I have already seen and believe.

That is where you are wrong. But you'll never know because you refuse to gain real life experience.

Really ? over 11 years working in a lab is not a real life experience ?

 

[Youwerecreated]

And, to make it just a bit more complicated;

NOVA | Epigenetics

Because it's on pbs it must be credible,I see.

Because it presents the latest findings by REPUTABLE, well known and respected scientists (REAL SCIENTISTS).

You really should get out of your basement more.

We don't need an hour and half or more to convince you are wrong concerning darwinian evolution, It's pretty simple really.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHeSaUq-Hl8]David Berlinski - Evolution destroyed in under 5 minutes - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Youwerecreated]

This was myself one day.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pS5j3XccmUM]Atheist professor destroys evolution - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Youwerecreated]

Evolutionist pleading to their beloved theory.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDKO6XYXioc]Boyz II Men - End Of The Road - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Hollie]

Because it's on pbs it must be credible,I see.

Because it presents the latest findings by REPUTABLE, well known and respected scientists (REAL SCIENTISTS).

You really should get out of your basement more.

We don't need an hour and half or more to convince you are wrong concerning darwinian evolution, It's pretty simple really.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHeSaUq-Hl8]David Berlinski - Evolution destroyed in under 5 minutes - YouTube[/ame]

Ah yes. Berlinski. Another creationist hack dragged out by Christian extremists peddling their ID'iosy.

Encyclopedia of American Loons: Search results for berlinski

As usual, religious extremists are forced to trot-out blowhards such as Berlinski who have no training in the biological sciences.

 

[orogenicman]

I have not seen you yet put up a convincing argument. You still have not shown me this ape to human evolution.

Humans ARE apes. For you to deny this widely accepted and easily demonstrated fact only shows the rest of us that how friggin ignorant you are. Watch the movie.

Look, whatever convinces you of ape to human evolution does not convince me. The Y chromosome is evidence I have repeatedly asked you about that you don't have an answer for. You attempted once to answer but the evidence did not address the question because you didn't understand what the evidence was you presented.

I took all the classes necessary to gain a degree in science and passed all those classes needed.

BS. Where, Liberty University? Clue - ask for a refund, because, damn.

Your videos is just more of the same ol arguments that I believe are baseless that is why I am now a creationist. The problem with most of you is that you don't know the difference between conjecture and actual empirical evidence or you don't realize the argument lacks empirical evidence.

You are a creationist because you are too stupid to be anything else. I would sympathize with your plight except for the fact that you are apparently a self-made man.

 

[Hollie]

This was myself one day.

Atheist professor destroys evolution - YouTube

I'D'iots delight.

There's a reason why creationist hacks tend to converge at organizations such as the Disco'tute where they become laughable caricatures. Can you guess why that is?

 

[orogenicman]

There is nothing you can show me that I have not read about. You can simply put it here, what you think you can show me to cause me to reject what I have already seen and believe.

That is where you are wrong. But you'll never know because you refuse to gain real life experience.

Really ? over 11 years working in a lab is not a real life experience ?

What lab where? Being a janitor (or even a lab techy) doesn't qualify as "life experience" as a scientist working in the field of geology, biology, chemistry, or physics. It certainly doesn't qualify you as a paleontologist or a field geologist. Not even close. And I can promise you that had you brought your god of the gaps belief in such nonsense into my lab, you'd have been canned, because, As Neil deGrasse Tyson said, you are "useless on the frontier of understanding the nature of the world". Congratulations: