Why is naturalism considered scientific and creationism is not ?

[Youwerecreated]

On the other hand, we have the reality of extremists pleading their beloved appeals to fear and ignorance.

The result: Kitzmiller vs. Dover.

How's that working out for you?

We were warned these things would happen for while after all this is satans world at this time. He is on borrowed and that time can run out at anytime now.

OMG! Did you know that satan has a fossil factory where he makes all those fossils and then places them all over the world to confuse us silly scientists?

Like I said before you must be an ignorant child if you are gonna try and make an argument out of the fossil record.

Your ignorance is glaring.

 

[Youwerecreated]

Really? Your evidence comes from Ann Coulter's "tutor"? Really? EPIC FAIL!

There is no known record of his own contribution to the development of mathematics or of any other science. None whatsoever. Pathetic.

You fail miserably at rebuttals.

Want rebuttals? Field trip...

I think you are talking out your ass to be honest.

 

[orogenicman]

University of Arizona not Liberty,now what ?

What degree? What papers have you published? What are your professional associations? How did your course material relate in any way to geology? What rocks and minerals/fossils have you personally collected and analyzed, and what is the disposition of those specimens? What field methods courses have you taken? What field work have you conducted? Where are your results published?

Oh right, you've already told us that you are not a scientist.

I have my masters degree in molecular genetics. No papers published. No professional associations. I left the field many years ago and started a business in mining precious metals. Never said my studies are related to geology. I have observed many fossils from the Grand canyon with a friend that is a geologist.

Now you answer the same questions.

Field observation is about much more than "observing fossils". Anyone can observe fossils. If that is all there was to it, anyone could do it. Did you know that geology is actually one of the most difficult scientific disciplines? It is true. Geology encompasses all of the natural sciences, and engineering and even astronomy. It is truly multidisciplinary. You could live your entire professional life as a physicist and never have to touch a rock. You could live your entire professional life as a biologist and never have to draw a map. You could live your entire professional life as a chemist and never walk twelve miles plotting strikes and dips. But you cannot conduct geology without intimate knowledge of all of the natural sciences.

For instance, and since you claim to be in the mining business, can you tell me what this is, and the rocks in which this is occurring?

Or this?

Or this?

Or this (this occurs in your state so you should be able to identify it)?

Or this?

Or this?

Or this? What kind of rock is this and why is it important in the mining industry?

Finally, and you should know this structure if you are, as you say, in the mining business:

 

[orogenicman]

You fail miserably at rebuttals.

Want rebuttals? Field trip...

I think you are talking out your ass to be honest.

That would be rather easy for you to prove. Field trip?

 

[orogenicman]

This was myself one day.

Atheist professor destroys evolution - YouTube

Really? A dead guy who embarrassed himself and his entire staff before he was forced to take early retirement?

Another insult directed at someone who is clearly educated above your pay grade because he disagrees with you and all the other nut jobs.

Having a PhD in an unrelated field is - having a degree in an unrelated field. The man taught electron microscopy, a noble profession, to be sure, and was an administrator. But you don't need to have working knowledge of the theory of evolution to do either.

 

[orogenicman]

We were warned these things would happen for while after all this is satans world at this time. He is on borrowed and that time can run out at anytime now.

OMG! Did you know that satan has a fossil factory where he makes all those fossils and then places them all over the world to confuse us silly scientists?

Like I said before you must be an ignorant child if you are gonna try and make an argument out of the fossil record.

Your ignorance is glaring.

And you would have to be a blind cultist to ignore 400 years of scientific achievement, particularly the past 100 years, for the sole purpose of lying for Jesus.

 

[Youwerecreated]

What degree? What papers have you published? What are your professional associations? How did your course material relate in any way to geology? What rocks and minerals/fossils have you personally collected and analyzed, and what is the disposition of those specimens? What field methods courses have you taken? What field work have you conducted? Where are your results published?

Oh right, you've already told us that you are not a scientist.

I have my masters degree in molecular genetics. No papers published. No professional associations. I left the field many years ago and started a business in mining precious metals. Never said my studies are related to geology. I have observed many fossils from the Grand canyon with a friend that is a geologist.

Now you answer the same questions.

Field observation is about much more than "observing fossils". Anyone can observe fossils. If that is all there was to it, anyone could do it. Did you know that geology is actually one of the most difficult scientific disciplines? It is true. Geology encompasses all of the natural sciences, and engineering and even astronomy. It is truly multidisciplinary. You could live your entire professional life as a physicist and never have to touch a rock. You could live your entire professional life as a biologist and never have to draw a map. You could live your entire professional life as a chemist and never walk twelve miles plotting strikes and dips. But you cannot conduct geology without intimate knowledge of all of the natural sciences.

For instance, and since you claim to be in the mining business, can you tell me what this is, and the rocks in which this is occurring?

Or this?

Or this?

Or this (this occurs in your state so you should be able to identify it)?

Or this?

Or this?

Or this? What kind of rock is this and why is it important in the mining industry?

Finally, and you should know this structure if you are, as you say, in the mining business:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkCNM_WW_-U]The Fossil Record Speaks - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I have my masters degree in molecular genetics. No papers published. No professional associations. I left the field many years ago and started a business in mining precious metals. Never said my studies are related to geology. I have observed many fossils from the Grand canyon with a friend that is a geologist.

Now you answer the same questions.

Field observation is about much more than "observing fossils". Anyone can observe fossils. If that is all there was to it, anyone could do it. Did you know that geology is actually one of the most difficult scientific disciplines? It is true. Geology encompasses all of the natural sciences, and engineering and even astronomy. It is truly multidisciplinary. You could live your entire professional life as a physicist and never have to touch a rock. You could live your entire professional life as a biologist and never have to draw a map. You could live your entire professional life as a chemist and never walk twelve miles plotting strikes and dips. But you cannot conduct geology without intimate knowledge of all of the natural sciences.

For instance, and since you claim to be in the mining business, can you tell me what this is, and the rocks in which this is occurring?

Or this?

Or this?

Or this (this occurs in your state so you should be able to identify it)?

Or this?

Or this?

Or this? What kind of rock is this and why is it important in the mining industry?

Finally, and you should know this structure if you are, as you say, in the mining business:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkCNM_WW_-U]The Fossil Record Speaks - YouTube[/ame]

I guess that's easier than saying no, over and over.

 

[orogenicman]

I have my masters degree in molecular genetics. No papers published. No professional associations. I left the field many years ago and started a business in mining precious metals. Never said my studies are related to geology. I have observed many fossils from the Grand canyon with a friend that is a geologist.

Now you answer the same questions.

Field observation is about much more than "observing fossils". Anyone can observe fossils. If that is all there was to it, anyone could do it. Did you know that geology is actually one of the most difficult scientific disciplines? It is true. Geology encompasses all of the natural sciences, and engineering and even astronomy. It is truly multidisciplinary. You could live your entire professional life as a physicist and never have to touch a rock. You could live your entire professional life as a biologist and never have to draw a map. You could live your entire professional life as a chemist and never walk twelve miles plotting strikes and dips. But you cannot conduct geology without intimate knowledge of all of the natural sciences.

For instance, and since you claim to be in the mining business, can you tell me what this is, and the rocks in which this is occurring?

Or this?

Or this?

Or this (this occurs in your state so you should be able to identify it)?

Or this?

Or this?

Or this? What kind of rock is this and why is it important in the mining industry?

Finally, and you should know this structure if you are, as you say, in the mining business:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkCNM_WW_-U]The Fossil Record Speaks - YouTube[/ame]

I asked you specific questions related to geology and mining since you claim to be in the mining business, and this is your response? Wow, that just takes my breath away. You could have simply said "I don't know". By the way, it is okay to admit that you don't know. Just don't claim you do know when it is obvious that you don't. Because that would be dishonest. You do understand the concept of honesty, right?

 

[itfitzme]

I would say that this is the fossilized hand of a Preditor, the alien creature revealied in the film "Preditor".

You can clearly see the bones and joints of the fingers, even the wrist.

It is proof that the Pyramids of Egypt were built with the help of aliens from outerspace when they introduced Aliens to the planet earth as game for hunting as revealed in the film "Preditor vs. Alien".

Yep!!! God speaks to us through movies now. What, you don't think he's still be doing the writing thing, now that he had mass media and George Lucas, do you? And that fossilized hand is all the proof we need.....

 

[orogenicman]

I would say that this is the fossilized hand of a Preditor, the alien creature revealied in the film "Preditor".

You can clearly see the bones and joints of the fingers, even the wrist.

It is proof that the Pyramids of Egypt were built with the help of aliens from outerspace when they introduced Aliens to the planet earth as game for hunting as revealed in the film "Preditor vs. Alien".

Yep!!! God speaks to us through movies now. What, you don't think he's still be doing the writing thing, now that he had mass media and George Lucas, do you? And that fossilized hand is all the proof we need.....

Hehehe. I'll wait for a proper response from our resident cultist to see if he can answer my questions, then I will post the answers. YWC. You have until midnight.

 

[Youwerecreated]

Field observation is about much more than "observing fossils". Anyone can observe fossils. If that is all there was to it, anyone could do it. Did you know that geology is actually one of the most difficult scientific disciplines? It is true. Geology encompasses all of the natural sciences, and engineering and even astronomy. It is truly multidisciplinary. You could live your entire professional life as a physicist and never have to touch a rock. You could live your entire professional life as a biologist and never have to draw a map. You could live your entire professional life as a chemist and never walk twelve miles plotting strikes and dips. But you cannot conduct geology without intimate knowledge of all of the natural sciences.

For instance, and since you claim to be in the mining business, can you tell me what this is, and the rocks in which this is occurring?

Or this?

Or this?

Or this (this occurs in your state so you should be able to identify it)?

Or this?

Or this?

Or this? What kind of rock is this and why is it important in the mining industry?

Finally, and you should know this structure if you are, as you say, in the mining business:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkCNM_WW_-U]The Fossil Record Speaks - YouTube[/ame]

I asked you specific questions related to geology and mining since you claim to be in the mining business, and this is your response? Wow, that just takes my breath away. You could have simply said "I don't know". By the way, it is okay to admit that you don't know. Just don't claim you do know when it is obvious that you don't. Because that would be dishonest. You do understand the concept of honesty, right?

I have no clue what you want from me and what this has to do with mining. We have an open pit mine ever heard of the concept ?

You want to think you are brilliant have at it but I assure you geology is not a discipline of science that I would rate as being a hard science.

You're even dumber than I thought after that comment.

 

[Youwerecreated]

I would say that this is the fossilized hand of a Preditor, the alien creature revealied in the film "Preditor".

You can clearly see the bones and joints of the fingers, even the wrist.

It is proof that the Pyramids of Egypt were built with the help of aliens from outerspace when they introduced Aliens to the planet earth as game for hunting as revealed in the film "Preditor vs. Alien".

Yep!!! God speaks to us through movies now. What, you don't think he's still be doing the writing thing, now that he had mass media and George Lucas, do you? And that fossilized hand is all the proof we need.....

Hehehe. I'll wait for a proper response from our resident cultist to see if he can answer my questions, then I will post the answers. YWC. You have until midnight.

I have answered yours, now provide an answer to the question to ape to human evolution i have been asking a while now.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The Fossil Record Speaks - YouTube

I asked you specific questions related to geology and mining since you claim to be in the mining business, and this is your response? Wow, that just takes my breath away. You could have simply said "I don't know". By the way, it is okay to admit that you don't know. Just don't claim you do know when it is obvious that you don't. Because that would be dishonest. You do understand the concept of honesty, right?

I have no clue what you want from me and what this has to do with mining. We have an open pit mine ever heard of the concept ?

You want to think you are brilliant have at it but I assure you geology is not a discipline of science that I would rate as being a hard science.

You're even dumber than I thought after that comment.

I have no clue

No kidding. Still think CO2 & H2O being turned into sugar and cellulose isn't a decrease in entropy?

I'd write a nasty letter to U of A, they really did you a disservice when they allowed you to graduate with no scientific knowledge at all.

 

[Hollie]

The Fossil Record Speaks - YouTube

I asked you specific questions related to geology and mining since you claim to be in the mining business, and this is your response? Wow, that just takes my breath away. You could have simply said "I don't know". By the way, it is okay to admit that you don't know. Just don't claim you do know when it is obvious that you don't. Because that would be dishonest. You do understand the concept of honesty, right?

I have no clue what you want from me and what this has to do with mining. We have an open pit mine ever heard of the concept ?

You want to think you are brilliant have at it but I assure you geology is not a discipline of science that I would rate as being a hard science.

You're even dumber than I thought after that comment.

I suppose for extremists such as ywc, hard sciences are defined by winged horses pulling chariots through the clouds, fat, naked babies playing harps, Arks, and dead men not staying dead.

 

[orogenicman]

The Fossil Record Speaks - YouTube

I asked you specific questions related to geology and mining since you claim to be in the mining business, and this is your response? Wow, that just takes my breath away. You could have simply said "I don't know". By the way, it is okay to admit that you don't know. Just don't claim you do know when it is obvious that you don't. Because that would be dishonest. You do understand the concept of honesty, right?

I have no clue what you want from me and what this has to do with mining. We have an open pit mine ever heard of the concept ?

You want to think you are brilliant have at it but I assure you geology is not a discipline of science that I would rate as being a hard science.

You're even dumber than I thought after that comment.

You are right, you have no clue. You must waste an awful lot of time, effort, and money, digging about nilly willy. What a stupid way to mine. You must be the dumbest miner that ever lived.

The first image is of a thrust fault with typical Fault-propagation folding. Faults are important pathways for mineralizing hydrothermal fluids and often contain valuable minerals and metals. They can also emplace cap rock onto petroleum reservoirs, and so knowing the structural geometry of fault zones is critical for locating mineral and petroleum resources. You didn't know this? Huh.

The second image is a Mississippian-aged crinoid called Adenocrinus Nodosus. It is very rare, only a handful known to exist, in fact. Fossils can be used to determine stratigraphic position, which is vital if one is looking for specific mineral zones/reservoirs.

The third image is of a massive orthoclase crystal containing large tourmalines (one of your precious minerals). Note the size of the mallet in the image for scale next to the black tourmaline crystals.

The fourth image is red lead, otherwise known as crocoite, which is found in several mines in Arizona. That specimen, in fact, came from Arizona. You didn't know this? And you claim to be mining precious minerals in Arizona? I don't believe you.

The fifth image is of a specimen of simple calcite, the first mineral every geology student learns to recognize. Gawds, you are lame.

The sixth image is of sectional zoning in fluorite, another mineral found in your state, but is much more common where I live.

The seventh image is of a block of breccia. Breccias are very common mineral zones, and in fact, are often the pathways of mineralizing hydrothermal fluids, and very often contain valuable minerals. The breccia in the image contains gold. You didn't know this? Huh.

The eighth and final image is a small plunging anticline, a structural feature found in many metamorphic zones, which are important regions where valuable minerals are often found.

YWC It is clear that you don't know the first thing about the subject. Care to retract your bullshite statement that you mine precious minerals?

 

[Youwerecreated]

I asked you specific questions related to geology and mining since you claim to be in the mining business, and this is your response? Wow, that just takes my breath away. You could have simply said "I don't know". By the way, it is okay to admit that you don't know. Just don't claim you do know when it is obvious that you don't. Because that would be dishonest. You do understand the concept of honesty, right?

I have no clue what you want from me and what this has to do with mining. We have an open pit mine ever heard of the concept ?

You want to think you are brilliant have at it but I assure you geology is not a discipline of science that I would rate as being a hard science.

You're even dumber than I thought after that comment.

You must waste an awful lot of time digging about nilly willy. Not a good way to mine at all. You have to be the dumbest miner that ever lived.

The first image is of a thrust fault with typical Fault-propagation folding. Faults are important pathways for mineralizing hydrothermal fluids and often contain valuable minerals and metals. They can also emplace cap rock onto petroleum reservoirs, and so knowing the structural geometry of fault zones is critical for locating mineral and petroleum resources. You didn't know this? Huh.

The second image is a Mississippian-aged crinoid called Adenocrinus Nodosus. It is very rare, only a handful known to exist, in fact. Fossils can be used to determine stratigraphic position, which is vital if one is looking for specific mineral zones/reservoirs.

The third image is of a massive orthoclase crystal containing large tourmalines (one of your precious minerals). Note the size of the mallet in the image for scale next to the black tourmaline crystals.

The fourth image is red lead, otherwise known as crocoite, which is found in several mines in Arizona. That specimen, in fact, came from Arizona. You didn't know this? And you claim to be mining precious minerals in Arizona? I don't believe you.

The fourth specimen is a simple calcite crystal, the first mineral every geology student learns to recognize. Gawds, you are lame.

The fourth image is of sectional zoning in fluorite, another mineral found in your state, but is much more common where I live.

The fifth image is of a block of breccia. Breccias are very common mineral zones, and in fact, are often the pathways of mineralizing hydrothermal fluids, and very often contain valuable minerals. The breccia in the image contains gold. You didn't know this? Huh.

The sixth and final image is a small plunging anticline, a structural feature found in many metamorphic zones, which are important regions where valuable minerals are often found.

YWC It is clear that you don't know the first thing about the subject. Care to retract your bullshite statement that you mine precious minerals?

We do Exploration drilling to know the contents of ore deposits. These samples go to a geologist to run a few tests and break down the contents of the ore. They crush it and run a few tests and we usually get an answer within a week depending how busy they are. Listen I have been in this business now for 15 years . Why don't you retract your lie of being a scientist.

 

[orogenicman]

I would say that this is the fossilized hand of a Preditor, the alien creature revealied in the film "Preditor".

You can clearly see the bones and joints of the fingers, even the wrist.

It is proof that the Pyramids of Egypt were built with the help of aliens from outerspace when they introduced Aliens to the planet earth as game for hunting as revealed in the film "Preditor vs. Alien".

Yep!!! God speaks to us through movies now. What, you don't think he's still be doing the writing thing, now that he had mass media and George Lucas, do you? And that fossilized hand is all the proof we need.....

Hehehe. I'll wait for a proper response from our resident cultist to see if he can answer my questions, then I will post the answers. YWC. You have until midnight.

I have answered yours, now provide an answer to the question to ape to human evolution i have been asking a while now.

You didn't answer my questions. You did finally admit that you didn't know the answers, which, if you really were mining precious minerals, you would have known. But that just proved to everyone that you are a clueless liar. You should stop now.

 

[Youwerecreated]

I asked you specific questions related to geology and mining since you claim to be in the mining business, and this is your response? Wow, that just takes my breath away. You could have simply said "I don't know". By the way, it is okay to admit that you don't know. Just don't claim you do know when it is obvious that you don't. Because that would be dishonest. You do understand the concept of honesty, right?

I have no clue what you want from me and what this has to do with mining. We have an open pit mine ever heard of the concept ?

You want to think you are brilliant have at it but I assure you geology is not a discipline of science that I would rate as being a hard science.

You're even dumber than I thought after that comment.

I have no clue

No kidding. Still think CO2 & H2O being turned into sugar and cellulose isn't a decrease in entropy?

I'd write a nasty letter to U of A, they really did you a disservice when they allowed you to graduate with no scientific knowledge at all.

No I think it is a reach on your part or just poor reasoning.

 

[orogenicman]

I have no clue what you want from me and what this has to do with mining. We have an open pit mine ever heard of the concept ?

You want to think you are brilliant have at it but I assure you geology is not a discipline of science that I would rate as being a hard science.

You're even dumber than I thought after that comment.

You must waste an awful lot of time digging about nilly willy. Not a good way to mine at all. You have to be the dumbest miner that ever lived.

The first image is of a thrust fault with typical Fault-propagation folding. Faults are important pathways for mineralizing hydrothermal fluids and often contain valuable minerals and metals. They can also emplace cap rock onto petroleum reservoirs, and so knowing the structural geometry of fault zones is critical for locating mineral and petroleum resources. You didn't know this? Huh.

The second image is a Mississippian-aged crinoid called Adenocrinus Nodosus. It is very rare, only a handful known to exist, in fact. Fossils can be used to determine stratigraphic position, which is vital if one is looking for specific mineral zones/reservoirs.

The third image is of a massive orthoclase crystal containing large tourmalines (one of your precious minerals). Note the size of the mallet in the image for scale next to the black tourmaline crystals.

The fourth image is red lead, otherwise known as crocoite, which is found in several mines in Arizona. That specimen, in fact, came from Arizona. You didn't know this? And you claim to be mining precious minerals in Arizona? I don't believe you.

The fourth specimen is a simple calcite crystal, the first mineral every geology student learns to recognize. Gawds, you are lame.

The fourth image is of sectional zoning in fluorite, another mineral found in your state, but is much more common where I live.

The fifth image is of a block of breccia. Breccias are very common mineral zones, and in fact, are often the pathways of mineralizing hydrothermal fluids, and very often contain valuable minerals. The breccia in the image contains gold. You didn't know this? Huh.

The sixth and final image is a small plunging anticline, a structural feature found in many metamorphic zones, which are important regions where valuable minerals are often found.

YWC It is clear that you don't know the first thing about the subject. Care to retract your bullshite statement that you mine precious minerals?

We do Exploration drilling to know the contents of ore deposits. These samples go to a geologist to run a few tests and break down the contents of the ore. They crush it and run a few tests and we usually get an answer within a week depending how busy they are. Listen I have been in this business now for 15 years . Why don't you retract your lie of being a scientist.

In other words, someone else does the real work, because you don't know anything about it, and you sit in your office posting bullshite right here. Dumbass, before you can drill the first foot of borehole, you have to know where to drill, otherwise you are wasting valuable time and money punching dry holes. You can't know where to drill unless you have the expertize to know the geology of the area under consideration. And you can't know the geology of the area under consideration if you don't know the first thing about geology. You really are the dumbest miner on the planet. How sad for your employer. How many times must I hand you your hat?