Why Must We Abandon Our Religious Beliefs to Operate A Business?

[irosie91]

were I a professional party person, I would refuse to do the KINK party.
I, STRONGLY, believe that a professional party person should have
NO OBLIGATION to serve a kink party if doing so rattles him

what if it were socially acceptable?

remember the "official" definition of pornography-----
"YA KNOW IT IF YA SEE IT"

 

[Cecilie1200]

I do not believe that religious freedom allows anyone to practice any form of discrimination if you are open to the public. Private practice is one thing, but public accommodation is another. The same should be true for freedom of speech and one's political affiliation.

"The same should be true for freedom of speech . . ." The same what? The same "you only have what freedom I want to have"? Is that the "same" you're talking about?

I was trying to say that no one should be denied their 1st Amendment rights to free speech based on their political affiliation. Which does seem to happen these days on many college campuses and other venues.

Ahhh. I think where I got confused was your first line about "religious freedom doesn't allow discrimination if you are open to the public." And I have no idea where you're drawing the imaginary line of "private practice" and "public accommodation". I frankly think it's ludicrous to describe ANY privately-owned and -run business as a "public accommodation". Government offices are public accommodations, because they're owned and funded by the public, which gives everyone in the public the right to access to them. But the simple fact of engaging in commerce does not convey any sort of ownership or entitlement to my products and services on anyone and everyone who has money.

It's basically saying there's private clubs, and everything else is under the control of the state, with nothing in between. I'm not comfortable with that. Privately-owned and -run businesses are the in-between, and they should be in-between, and their right to make decisions about what business transactions to enter into and what ones not to should be recognized.

What you are basically saying is that a privately owned business can discriminate against anybody for any reason, right? Are we not divided enough already, should equal treatment and opportunity be thrown out the window so that everybody can do as they damn well please? What you want is to have your cake and eat it too, buy and sell to whoever you please but still deny service or dealings with whoever you don't like or approve of. If that is the case then you should be required to hang a sign prominently in the front window that says 'THIS ESTABLISHMENT IS PRIVATE AND WILL SERVE ONLY THOSE PEOPLE WE DEEM AS ACCEPTABLE. Don't pretend to be serving the public when you only want to serve some but not all of the public.

I think forcing people to do things via government power is more divisive than dealing with them by way of social pressure and disapproval. I also think government is less effective than the free market. If the government forces people to ape acceptable behavior against their will, we may get the outward appearance we want, but actually end up enforcing and hardening the negative attitudes and causing the person to act on them in other ways. If, however, their right to be objectionable - and they DO have that right, however much we may disapprove - is respected and they are allowed to be honest about who and what they are, there is a good chance of the community and the free exchange of ideas changing not just their behavior, but their underlying attitudes.

So yeah, I would rather an honest display of divisions than a forcible pretense of unity.

What you want has all the depth of a mud puddle, and all the sticking power of a Post-It note. And yeah, I won't deny or be ashamed of wanting the freedom to choose who and what I associate with, and I have no idea why you say this as though it's horrible and outrageous.

And no, I should NOT be required to announce and advertise my beliefs, any more than I should be required to act against them. You have GOT to get over this idea that you have any sort of proprietary interest in the beliefs of others. You already know the establishment is "private", because you know it's not a government office. It's a business. There's a difference between "serving the public" and "being obligated to the public", and the one does not necessarily entail the other.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

I wonder if a kosher wedding hall would be obligated to do a muslim wedding

It probably would not be a problem because Kosher and Halal dietary laws are very similar

 

[danielpalos]

were I a professional party person, I would refuse to do the KINK party.
I, STRONGLY, believe that a professional party person should have
NO OBLIGATION to serve a kink party if doing so rattles him

what if it were socially acceptable?

remember the "official" definition of pornography-----
"YA KNOW IT IF YA SEE IT"

pornography is legal.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

I wonder if a kosher wedding hall would be obligated to do a muslim wedding
I wonder if a vegetarian jainist or hindu wedding hall would be obligated to do
a jewish wedding

Perhaps, bujt the Jewish guests are OK with the vegetarian menu that is used for all events

 

[danielpalos]

If Only, I could pray for True Love and perform True Love rituals at a temple dedicated to a goddess of Love, my whole life.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Look, left-thinkers just LOVE trying to create analogies and draw parallels, usually to something unrelated and/or extreme to the point of ludicrous, so let's try an analogy to something that's actually relevant AND existing in the real world right now.

Let's say Phillip Morris, the biggest cigarette manufacturer out there, goes to an advertising agency and says, "I think your ads are really amazing. I want you to put together an ad campaign for us." And the advertising agency responds, "No thank you, we are not interested in associating our company with tobacco products, because we believe they are a harmful and destructive product."

Is it moral, and should it be legal, for that ad agency to discriminate between prospective clients and to refuse their creative services to a prospective client based solely on disapproval of what that client does?

How about if an artist advertises that he paints portraits on commission, and someone wants his portrait painted in the nude? Does the artist have the right to turn that commission down if he doesn't like painting nudes, or does the nudist have a right to the artist's services because the artist is somehow now a "public accommodation" simply because he markets his talent?

Okay, let's try something a little closer to home. As Jillian likes to mention every time she addresses me (because it irks her to no end when conservatives refuse to stay in her pigeonholes for them AND refuse to get onto the leftist plantation), I used to run a party and event planning company. One of the clients I was hired by was the local BDSM club, who wanted me to plan their annual fetish ball. I took the job, because it doesn't particularly bother me, but what if it did? What if I'm genuinely uncomfortable around kink and people engaging in it? Do I have the right to refuse that contract, or am I obligated to plan an event I'm uncomfortable with, simply because I advertise my services to the general public?

At what point does this obsession with "public accommodation" go too far and essentially become forcing anyone who wants to make a living from their talents and skills to be a whore?

Depends if these people call themselves Christians, because Jesus wouldn't turn anyone away for any reason. Do you call yourself a Christian? Because you're not one of them.

Yada yada. Remind me again what your qualifications are for declaring what Christianity is and isn't? It's not knowledge, wisdom, or experience, because you just committed a fairly egregious sin in that post, and I'll bet money you have no idea what it even is.

 

[Cecilie1200]

a cake for a murderer? as in "CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR FIRST MURDER" ??? I do believe that a baker should not be required to create such a cake. Regarding the
cake for a homosexual marriage-------we were not provided
with ENOUGH INFORMATION

I see you , like everyone else, avoided my question.

If making a cake for a gay guy is a sin why isn't making a cake for any other sinner a sin?

No one's "avoiding" your question. We're giving it exactly the respect and attention it deserves, which is none, because YOU AREN'T ENTITLED TO HAVE IT ANSWERED.

THEN STOP FUCKING RESPONDING TO MY FUCKING POSTS YOU FUCKING TWAT

More left-think. "Say what I want to hear, or stop talking so that my opinion is the only one heard."

Sorry, Sparky. The answer to your question remains "You have no right to ask", and I will keep saying it.

I have every right to ask as per my first amendment rights.

And I will keep asking until one of you bigots gives a cogent answer

You have a Constitutional right to say the words. What you don't have is a moral right to think you should know.

And I will keep telling you to mind your own business until you stop being such a nosy, judgmental ass napkin.

 

[Cecilie1200]

"So what". Exactly. You leftists demand respect, but you somehow think you don't have to show any.

I'm no leftists and you haven't been around very long if you think I am.

I just don't take everything people say as the truth.

The baker didn't give a shit about serving all the other sinners in the world did he?

SO answer the question

Do you think an employer should be able to fire people because he disagrees with their religion?

You certainly do spend a lot of time demanding things from people just as if you have a right to them. You must be frustrated a good deal.

And you refuse to answer a simple question

If I decide having a twat like you work for me is a sin then can I fire you for that reason alone?

"Simple" is not the operative point. "Inappropriate" is. You're damned right I'm not going to answer a question, however "simple", about things that are none of your fucking business. "Did you and your spouse have sex last night?" is also a simple question, but that doesn't make you entitled to an answer.

Furthermore, shitforbrains, if you would stop doing victory dances over "I have the perfect Gotcha! question!", you would notice that I answered it the FIRST time you asked it, and every time you've asked since then has been superfluous.

And no, I will not repeat my answer.

YEs we did have sex last night.

Didn't ask, don't care, resent having the info forced on me.

And you must think it's just fine for an employer to fire you because of your religion because you think it's OK to use religion as an excuse for such behaviors.

There's a difference between "think it's okay" and "think he should have the right." It's HIS business. I have zero desire to work for someone who doesn't want me around, and is just going to make me miserable. Also, if he's harboring such shitty beliefs and notions, it's gonna show up one way or the other, which means his business probably isn't going to last very long. I'd rather escape before it gets to that point.

And FYI you never did answer that question. You gave me some bullshit story about an interview.

FYI, I answered you twice, once directly and once by example. Your inability to hear anything but what you want is not my problem.

Then you said a paycheck is different from a cake but you never answered the question.

Someone's livelihood IS different from baking a cake. And your tunnel vision still isn't my problem. Figure it the fuck out, because I'm not in the mood to break out the crayons and draw pictures.

But I have a feeling you'd be taking your employer to court if he fired you because of his religious beliefs wouldn't you?

Fucking hypocrite

I'm a hypocrite because of what YOU ASSUME I would do? I don't think so. I think YOU are a hypocrite, and just project that onto everyone else in the erroneous assumption that you are somehow normal and representative of something.

 

[Taz]

Look, left-thinkers just LOVE trying to create analogies and draw parallels, usually to something unrelated and/or extreme to the point of ludicrous, so let's try an analogy to something that's actually relevant AND existing in the real world right now.

Let's say Phillip Morris, the biggest cigarette manufacturer out there, goes to an advertising agency and says, "I think your ads are really amazing. I want you to put together an ad campaign for us." And the advertising agency responds, "No thank you, we are not interested in associating our company with tobacco products, because we believe they are a harmful and destructive product."

Is it moral, and should it be legal, for that ad agency to discriminate between prospective clients and to refuse their creative services to a prospective client based solely on disapproval of what that client does?

How about if an artist advertises that he paints portraits on commission, and someone wants his portrait painted in the nude? Does the artist have the right to turn that commission down if he doesn't like painting nudes, or does the nudist have a right to the artist's services because the artist is somehow now a "public accommodation" simply because he markets his talent?

Okay, let's try something a little closer to home. As Jillian likes to mention every time she addresses me (because it irks her to no end when conservatives refuse to stay in her pigeonholes for them AND refuse to get onto the leftist plantation), I used to run a party and event planning company. One of the clients I was hired by was the local BDSM club, who wanted me to plan their annual fetish ball. I took the job, because it doesn't particularly bother me, but what if it did? What if I'm genuinely uncomfortable around kink and people engaging in it? Do I have the right to refuse that contract, or am I obligated to plan an event I'm uncomfortable with, simply because I advertise my services to the general public?

At what point does this obsession with "public accommodation" go too far and essentially become forcing anyone who wants to make a living from their talents and skills to be a whore?

Depends if these people call themselves Christians, because Jesus wouldn't turn anyone away for any reason. Do you call yourself a Christian? Because you're not one of them.

Yada yada. Remind me again what your qualifications are for declaring what Christianity is and isn't? It's not knowledge, wisdom, or experience, because you just committed a fairly egregious sin in that post, and I'll bet money you have no idea what it even is.

Exposing you as a fake Christian?

 

[Skull Pilot]

I see you , like everyone else, avoided my question.

If making a cake for a gay guy is a sin why isn't making a cake for any other sinner a sin?

No one's "avoiding" your question. We're giving it exactly the respect and attention it deserves, which is none, because YOU AREN'T ENTITLED TO HAVE IT ANSWERED.

THEN STOP FUCKING RESPONDING TO MY FUCKING POSTS YOU FUCKING TWAT

More left-think. "Say what I want to hear, or stop talking so that my opinion is the only one heard."

Sorry, Sparky. The answer to your question remains "You have no right to ask", and I will keep saying it.

I have every right to ask as per my first amendment rights.

And I will keep asking until one of you bigots gives a cogent answer

You have a Constitutional right to say the words. What you don't have is a moral right to think you should know.

And I will keep telling you to mind your own business until you stop being such a nosy, judgmental ass napkin.

I never said anything about moral rights and IDGAF if people dodge questions about their behavior because people who dodge those questions are usually doing so because they really can't defend their position in any intelligent manner.

Your dodging of questions tells me all I need to know about you

 

[Skull Pilot]

I'm no leftists and you haven't been around very long if you think I am.

I just don't take everything people say as the truth.

The baker didn't give a shit about serving all the other sinners in the world did he?

SO answer the question

Do you think an employer should be able to fire people because he disagrees with their religion?

You certainly do spend a lot of time demanding things from people just as if you have a right to them. You must be frustrated a good deal.

And you refuse to answer a simple question

If I decide having a twat like you work for me is a sin then can I fire you for that reason alone?

"Simple" is not the operative point. "Inappropriate" is. You're damned right I'm not going to answer a question, however "simple", about things that are none of your fucking business. "Did you and your spouse have sex last night?" is also a simple question, but that doesn't make you entitled to an answer.

Furthermore, shitforbrains, if you would stop doing victory dances over "I have the perfect Gotcha! question!", you would notice that I answered it the FIRST time you asked it, and every time you've asked since then has been superfluous.

And no, I will not repeat my answer.

YEs we did have sex last night.

Didn't ask, don't care, resent having the info forced on me.

And you must think it's just fine for an employer to fire you because of your religion because you think it's OK to use religion as an excuse for such behaviors.

There's a difference between "think it's okay" and "think he should have the right." It's HIS business. I have zero desire to work for someone who doesn't want me around, and is just going to make me miserable. Also, if he's harboring such shitty beliefs and notions, it's gonna show up one way or the other, which means his business probably isn't going to last very long. I'd rather escape before it gets to that point.

And FYI you never did answer that question. You gave me some bullshit story about an interview.

FYI, I answered you twice, once directly and once by example. Your inability to hear anything but what you want is not my problem.

Then you said a paycheck is different from a cake but you never answered the question.

Someone's livelihood IS different from baking a cake. And your tunnel vision still isn't my problem. Figure it the fuck out, because I'm not in the mood to break out the crayons and draw pictures.

But I have a feeling you'd be taking your employer to court if he fired you because of his religious beliefs wouldn't you?

Fucking hypocrite

I'm a hypocrite because of what YOU ASSUME I would do? I don't think so. I think YOU are a hypocrite, and just project that onto everyone else in the erroneous assumption that you are somehow normal and representative of something.

You say it's different but it isn't.

If a cake baker can refuse client because god told him to why can't your boss fire you because god told him to? Does your employer have to give up his first amendment rights just so you can have a job?

You want to hold employers to different standards than bakers therefore you my dear are a fucking hypocrite

 

[LittleNipper]

were I a professional party person, I would refuse to do the KINK party.
I, STRONGLY, believe that a professional party person should have
NO OBLIGATION to serve a kink party if doing so rattles him

what if it were socially acceptable?

remember the "official" definition of pornography-----
"YA KNOW IT IF YA SEE IT"

pornography is legal.

Is that true of child pornography? My guess is that there is still discrimination against such individuals. I imagine this will soon change.

 

[LittleNipper]

You certainly do spend a lot of time demanding things from people just as if you have a right to them. You must be frustrated a good deal.

And you refuse to answer a simple question

If I decide having a twat like you work for me is a sin then can I fire you for that reason alone?

"Simple" is not the operative point. "Inappropriate" is. You're damned right I'm not going to answer a question, however "simple", about things that are none of your fucking business. "Did you and your spouse have sex last night?" is also a simple question, but that doesn't make you entitled to an answer.

Furthermore, shitforbrains, if you would stop doing victory dances over "I have the perfect Gotcha! question!", you would notice that I answered it the FIRST time you asked it, and every time you've asked since then has been superfluous.

And no, I will not repeat my answer.

YEs we did have sex last night.

Didn't ask, don't care, resent having the info forced on me.

And you must think it's just fine for an employer to fire you because of your religion because you think it's OK to use religion as an excuse for such behaviors.

There's a difference between "think it's okay" and "think he should have the right." It's HIS business. I have zero desire to work for someone who doesn't want me around, and is just going to make me miserable. Also, if he's harboring such shitty beliefs and notions, it's gonna show up one way or the other, which means his business probably isn't going to last very long. I'd rather escape before it gets to that point.

And FYI you never did answer that question. You gave me some bullshit story about an interview.

FYI, I answered you twice, once directly and once by example. Your inability to hear anything but what you want is not my problem.

Then you said a paycheck is different from a cake but you never answered the question.

Someone's livelihood IS different from baking a cake. And your tunnel vision still isn't my problem. Figure it the fuck out, because I'm not in the mood to break out the crayons and draw pictures.

But I have a feeling you'd be taking your employer to court if he fired you because of his religious beliefs wouldn't you?

Fucking hypocrite

I'm a hypocrite because of what YOU ASSUME I would do? I don't think so. I think YOU are a hypocrite, and just project that onto everyone else in the erroneous assumption that you are somehow normal and representative of something.

You say it's different but it isn't.

If a cake baker can refuse client because god told him to why can't your boss fire you because god told him to? Does your employer have to give up his first amendment rights just so you can have a job?

You want to hold employers to different standards than bakers therefore you my dear are a fucking hypocrite

Bosses/businesses pretty much fire whomever they choose. They simply need an excuse and no union.

 

[Skull Pilot]

And you refuse to answer a simple question

If I decide having a twat like you work for me is a sin then can I fire you for that reason alone?

"Simple" is not the operative point. "Inappropriate" is. You're damned right I'm not going to answer a question, however "simple", about things that are none of your fucking business. "Did you and your spouse have sex last night?" is also a simple question, but that doesn't make you entitled to an answer.

Furthermore, shitforbrains, if you would stop doing victory dances over "I have the perfect Gotcha! question!", you would notice that I answered it the FIRST time you asked it, and every time you've asked since then has been superfluous.

And no, I will not repeat my answer.

YEs we did have sex last night.

Didn't ask, don't care, resent having the info forced on me.

And you must think it's just fine for an employer to fire you because of your religion because you think it's OK to use religion as an excuse for such behaviors.

There's a difference between "think it's okay" and "think he should have the right." It's HIS business. I have zero desire to work for someone who doesn't want me around, and is just going to make me miserable. Also, if he's harboring such shitty beliefs and notions, it's gonna show up one way or the other, which means his business probably isn't going to last very long. I'd rather escape before it gets to that point.

And FYI you never did answer that question. You gave me some bullshit story about an interview.

FYI, I answered you twice, once directly and once by example. Your inability to hear anything but what you want is not my problem.

Then you said a paycheck is different from a cake but you never answered the question.

Someone's livelihood IS different from baking a cake. And your tunnel vision still isn't my problem. Figure it the fuck out, because I'm not in the mood to break out the crayons and draw pictures.

But I have a feeling you'd be taking your employer to court if he fired you because of his religious beliefs wouldn't you?

Fucking hypocrite

I'm a hypocrite because of what YOU ASSUME I would do? I don't think so. I think YOU are a hypocrite, and just project that onto everyone else in the erroneous assumption that you are somehow normal and representative of something.

You say it's different but it isn't.

If a cake baker can refuse client because god told him to why can't your boss fire you because god told him to? Does your employer have to give up his first amendment rights just so you can have a job?

You want to hold employers to different standards than bakers therefore you my dear are a fucking hypocrite

Bosses/businesses pretty much fire whomever they choose. They simply need an excuse and no union.

Sorry. Corky, but it is against the law to fire anyone because of their religion, sex etc.

 

[LittleNipper]

If Only, I could pray for True Love and perform True Love rituals at a temple dedicated to a goddess of Love, my whole life.

There is no goddess.

 

[Cecilie1200]

were I a professional party person, I would refuse to do the KINK party.
I, STRONGLY, believe that a professional party person should have
NO OBLIGATION to serve a kink party if doing so rattles him

If you are a professional party person you are under no obligation to arrange a kink party for anyone as long as that is part of your business model.

If you provide professional planning for kink parties for white people though you can't refuse to do them for black people.

Glad to help.


>>>>

Yes, but we're not talking about white vs. black, are we? We're talking about participating in activities I find uncomfortable, simply because I hire out my services for other activities.

 

[Cecilie1200]

I wonder if a kosher wedding hall would be obligated to do a muslim wedding

If it is run as a for profit business, they cannot discriminate because of the customers religion. If the only items on their menu are are kosher and restrict all customers to that menu, then they are under no obligation to change the menu for muslims.

or if a vegetarian jainist or hindu wedding hall would be obligated to do
a jewish wedding.

If it is run as a for profit business, they cannot discriminate because of the customers religion. If the only items on their menu are are vegetarian and restrict all customers to that menu, then they are under no obligation to change the menu for a jewish wedding.

There are "ashrams" in upstate New York-----I was told
by an "ashramite" up there that sometimes jewish businessmen drop in for lunch--
since strict vegetarian is "kosher" I wonder if they would be OBLIGATED to
cater a jewish wedding or a muslim wedding-------would they HAVE TO remove the
statue of Shiva?. ----..... upstate New York------great for COMBINED WEDDING
PARTIES

Since an ashram is a religious retreat/monastary operating on a non-profit basis, than as a 501(c)(3) religious organization they would be just like a synagogue and not required to host a Christian wedding.

If on the other hand this "ashram" is in reality a for profit business they cannot discriminate because of the customers religion.


Again glad to be of assistance.


>>>>

There's no "assistance" involved in blindly citing the law to me. I already know what it says. The question at hand is whether or not that SHOULD be the law.

Glad to be of assistance in clarifying the topic.

 

[LittleNipper]

"Simple" is not the operative point. "Inappropriate" is. You're damned right I'm not going to answer a question, however "simple", about things that are none of your fucking business. "Did you and your spouse have sex last night?" is also a simple question, but that doesn't make you entitled to an answer.

Furthermore, shitforbrains, if you would stop doing victory dances over "I have the perfect Gotcha! question!", you would notice that I answered it the FIRST time you asked it, and every time you've asked since then has been superfluous.

And no, I will not repeat my answer.

YEs we did have sex last night.

Didn't ask, don't care, resent having the info forced on me.

And you must think it's just fine for an employer to fire you because of your religion because you think it's OK to use religion as an excuse for such behaviors.

There's a difference between "think it's okay" and "think he should have the right." It's HIS business. I have zero desire to work for someone who doesn't want me around, and is just going to make me miserable. Also, if he's harboring such shitty beliefs and notions, it's gonna show up one way or the other, which means his business probably isn't going to last very long. I'd rather escape before it gets to that point.

And FYI you never did answer that question. You gave me some bullshit story about an interview.

FYI, I answered you twice, once directly and once by example. Your inability to hear anything but what you want is not my problem.

Then you said a paycheck is different from a cake but you never answered the question.

Someone's livelihood IS different from baking a cake. And your tunnel vision still isn't my problem. Figure it the fuck out, because I'm not in the mood to break out the crayons and draw pictures.

But I have a feeling you'd be taking your employer to court if he fired you because of his religious beliefs wouldn't you?

Fucking hypocrite

I'm a hypocrite because of what YOU ASSUME I would do? I don't think so. I think YOU are a hypocrite, and just project that onto everyone else in the erroneous assumption that you are somehow normal and representative of something.

You say it's different but it isn't.

If a cake baker can refuse client because god told him to why can't your boss fire you because god told him to? Does your employer have to give up his first amendment rights just so you can have a job?

You want to hold employers to different standards than bakers therefore you my dear are a fucking hypocrite

Bosses/businesses pretty much fire whomever they choose. They simply need an excuse and no union.

Sorry. Corky, but it is against the law to fire anyone because of their religion, sex etc.

So they use some other reason ---- like, the position/department has been eliminated. Thank you for service and good luck!

 

[Cecilie1200]

Look, left-thinkers just LOVE trying to create analogies and draw parallels, usually to something unrelated and/or extreme to the point of ludicrous, so let's try an analogy to something that's actually relevant AND existing in the real world right now.

Let's say Phillip Morris, the biggest cigarette manufacturer out there, goes to an advertising agency and says, "I think your ads are really amazing. I want you to put together an ad campaign for us." And the advertising agency responds, "No thank you, we are not interested in associating our company with tobacco products, because we believe they are a harmful and destructive product."

Is it moral, and should it be legal, for that ad agency to discriminate between prospective clients and to refuse their creative services to a prospective client based solely on disapproval of what that client does?

How about if an artist advertises that he paints portraits on commission, and someone wants his portrait painted in the nude? Does the artist have the right to turn that commission down if he doesn't like painting nudes, or does the nudist have a right to the artist's services because the artist is somehow now a "public accommodation" simply because he markets his talent?

Okay, let's try something a little closer to home. As Jillian likes to mention every time she addresses me (because it irks her to no end when conservatives refuse to stay in her pigeonholes for them AND refuse to get onto the leftist plantation), I used to run a party and event planning company. One of the clients I was hired by was the local BDSM club, who wanted me to plan their annual fetish ball. I took the job, because it doesn't particularly bother me, but what if it did? What if I'm genuinely uncomfortable around kink and people engaging in it? Do I have the right to refuse that contract, or am I obligated to plan an event I'm uncomfortable with, simply because I advertise my services to the general public?

At what point does this obsession with "public accommodation" go too far and essentially become forcing anyone who wants to make a living from their talents and skills to be a whore?

Depends if these people call themselves Christians, because Jesus wouldn't turn anyone away for any reason. Do you call yourself a Christian? Because you're not one of them.

Yada yada. Remind me again what your qualifications are for declaring what Christianity is and isn't? It's not knowledge, wisdom, or experience, because you just committed a fairly egregious sin in that post, and I'll bet money you have no idea what it even is.

Exposing you as a fake Christian?

Exposing me as not being what YOU think a Christian is, and I would have told you with no difficulty that I'm not, and have no desire to be.

Now if we could just get you to understand and admit that YOU are the arbiter and standard of nothing whatsoever.