Why should other taxpayers have to subsidize gay mating?

[RKMBrown]

I call em as I see em.. a snotty conclusion was well earned up to this point, no?

Hey, I did tell you. I started reading at the end and skipped the rest. The thread is part serious and part fun. However, at the post level, you give me a serious post, I give you a serious reply. You give me a fun post, I don't give you a serious reply. That's the deal, take it or leave it. You can't separate in your mind arguing what is said and needing to go all girl and analyze the person who said it, Nancy. I guess being a woman trapped in a man's body you can't discuss gay marriage without all that emotion

Yet, I provided a serious response in blue and you ignored it. If you choose to believe that you have not earned snotty comments in this thread. You're delusional. When I respond to one of your posts that has 10 statements in it and the last one is you being an ass... I'll respond to the first 9 based on how they were presented, then the 10th one as it was presented. If you want all 10 responses to one post to be "serious" maybe you should make your entire post serious and not provide your own closing slap at the end of each post.

Right, you follow your rules, I follow mine. My rule is that if you make 9 serious comments and the 10th you are an ass, then the category is fun not serious. Which is what you did in two posts. The first time I made an exception and responded to the 9 and informed you of my rule in the 10th. The second time I ignored all 10 as I had already informed you of my rule. My rule is, if you want a serious response, write a serious post. I don't care if you like it or not

So what you really mean is you refuse to respond to any post that points out just how much of an ass you are on this subject. Got it.

Not how I'd phrase it, but yes. Unless I want to, which I generally don't. Here is the rule:

You write a serious post, I will give you a serious reply.

You write a fun post, I will respond to it however I want to.

Capeesh?

Not sure why you feel the need to ask me if I understand what you are saying... but yes I do understand. My point followed your "proposal" up with secondary statements. FYI you may assume that I capeesh what you say, but only when you are using commonly understood definitions of words.

 

[David Jeffrey Spetch]

I at least get the concept of straight government marriage. Perpetuation of the species. It is the best situation for kids to have a traditional family with a mother and father because:

1) Men and women have different personalities and it is ideal for kids to have a parental relationship with one of each. Having two of the same sex is like having two left shoes or two right shoes. Neither a left shoe nor right shoes is more important than the other, you need one of each. They are different.

2) Kids are best served with a stay at home parent, generally a mother for many reasons for nurturing, caring and helping them stay out of trouble unattended

So for a mother to stay home, it's expensive. Taxpayers as part of the species benefit from the advancement of the species. And frankly that leads even financially to better taxpayers on average in the future.

If gays want to mate and pool resources, that's fine. But why should taxpayers pay for that? Government revenue is reduced, but why? What do we get out of it? Why should we have to fund it? What benefit is it to society that we should be paying for it?

The question: This is a financial question, not a moral one. How financially do the rest of us benefit that government should be charging us higher taxes to make up for lower taxes for people to have gay sex who do not perpetuate the species? Why do we gain for that we should pay for it? That is the question

Asking that question in a forum chalked full of homosexual activists is asking to see a million lies soon to be displayed on this thread likely from every single one of them that responds here.

I'll leave for you a real education based upon fact to do with the foundation of each issue which reveal homosexual activists for the liars and deceivers that they prove to be. This is not based on belief, or opinion, or truth, or theory but is based upon non contestable fact.

Keep in mind that heterosexuals are currently being made homosexual guinea pigs and some claim for population control meanwhile homosexuals (lesbians) are being artificially inseminated. But before we get back to that (I'll blow you away) Lets have a look at how they for now have made a temporary mockery of marriage along with the factual evidence which will lead to restoring marriage back to a respectable state. Oh and the reason that you are funding them is because homosexuals refuse to accept themselves for what they are but that will soon change

The Time To Take Back And Restore Marriage From A Bunch Of Discriminating Liars Draws Near

Not one homosexual activist has ever contested the fact that thousands of years of only heterosexual unions being honoured with marriage proves that marriage is about honouring the unity of the one sexual orientation to which we all owe our very own existence and that sexual unity is quite obviously heterosexual unions. Homosexual activists even became scholars then went through history attempting to label every homosexual union recorded throughout history as a marriage because marriage was never about honouring that if it were up to homosexuals to sustain the human race, we would have died off thousands of years ago for weakly being a race of sexually defective. But homosexual activists demonstrate to obsessively and compulsively try and make anything else including their every lie and deception the issue. I was in two relationships but was never married as several heterosexual couples are. But if homosexual activists thought it helped their bias agenda, they would call my relationships a marriage.

Homosexual activists have managed to temporarily make a complete mockery of marriage on some parts of the globe and they did this by ignoring and avoiding the very foundation of what marriage is about. Instead they scrambled to make marriage about anything else other than what marriage has always been about. For hundreds or even thousands of years since marriage was created, only heterosexual unions were ever honoured with marriage thus is the very non contestable factual evidence proving that marriage is exclusively about honouring the union of the one sexual orientation to which we all owe our very existence which is quite obviously heterosexual unions. Even different variations of the human race getting married was also always in honour of the unity of male and female. They even deceptively tried to make marriage to be about being with who you love. They again ignored the fact that love may have been present in many marriages but marriage itself was always between heterosexual unions of which beside that primary fact to do with this issue, not every heterosexual couple got married out of love.They also tried to make the issue about heterosexual couples who are not able to birth children and can still get married. That was when they were trying to make the issue of marriage into "marriage isn't about procreation." What they avoided, I find quite obvious, is the fact that heterosexual couples that can not have children still doesn't disrespect that marriage was created for and in honour of heterosexual unions. Marriage wouldn't even exist now if it were not for heterosexual unions. None of us would even exist now if it were not for heterosexual unions which quite obviously makes heterosexual unions, well above all other unions, worth honouring..if it were up to homosexuality to sustain the human population, we quite obviously would have died off thousands of years ago for weakly being a race of sexually defective and where is the honour in that?

The primary foundation of what marriage is = Thousands of years prove that marriage is exclusively about honouring heterosexual unions because for thousands of years since marriage was created, only heterosexual unions were ever honoured with marriage.

They take the one thing that heterosexuals have had for thousands of years which honours the unity and the importance of heterosexual unions, and they treat both marriage and heterosexuality like it's a piece of garbage that doesn't deserve to be respected. Homosexuals are not heterosexuals and the two are not equal. One leads to decay and the other leads to life. As humans we equally have the right to marry the opposite sex. Even our ancestors realized the significance of such unions yet homosexual activists don't even have the capacity to understand something so simple all by themselves. Instead, all homosexual activists demonstrate to care about is forcing themselves on some sort of pedestal with every lie and deception they can possibly fathom to do it.

They do it while demonstrating that to them, heterosexual unions are no more significant than any other union of any other sexual orientation even though our very existence proves that it is!

If it were up to gays to sustain the population we would have died off thousands of years ago for weakly being a race of sexually defective and what is there to be proud of or where is the honour in that?

which is the very obvious evidence proving that homosexuality does not and never did equal heterosexuality. It is homosexuals who have a hard time accepting the reality of what they are while they try and put the blame on everyone else for their very own non acceptance of what they themselves are.

As humans we all have the equal right to marry the opposite sex because that's what marriage was created for and in honour of. Homosexual activists making up lies such as false claims of discrimination does not change this fact.

love

Primary Factual Fundamentalist World Class Activist
David Jeffrey Spetch
Ps. Be good, be strong!
Hamilton, Ontario, Canada


Former Olympian Turned Low Life Scum Bag Poster Boy

Bruce Jenner, the new poster boy for homosexuals to think it is ok to pretend to be the opposite sex and rob heterosexuals of the right to be heterosexual yet they expect this trash to be respected. Respected for what, encouraging homosexuals to rob heterosexuals of the right to be heterosexual with these filthy low life scum bag homosexual deceptions!

As for me, 15 years of doing activism and no more Mr. Nice guy, I'll be happy to continue to tell it like it is to wake all of you out of your slumber on the foundation of this issue and many more with demonstrations of fact which reveal these homosexuals and homosexual activists for the liars and deceivers that they prove to be on the foundation of their every issue to do with their filthy little bias agenda! How disgusting homosexuals and homosexual activists are, the mockery they have made of society and heterosexuality is unforgivable!

The low life scum bags doing this story are calling a man with a surgically mutilated penis a woman thus they too are encouraging homosexuals to rob heterosexuals of the right to be heterosexual with these filthy low life scum bag homosexual deceptions! According to all of these involved with the media etc., you have no right to be heterosexual because some homosexual refuses to accept them self for what they are and seek to rob you of the right to be heterosexual for it!

These (trans gender, transsexual, tranny) types of homosexuals are not only bettering their chances of robbing heterosexuals of the right to be heterosexuals with these sick disgusting filthy low life scum bag homosexual deceptions, they are now labelling innocent little children trans gender and trying to use them to gain sympathy from the public. (Heterosexuals don't have the right to be heterosexual because some homosexual refuses to accept them self for what they are?!!! As if, this is going to change!!!) How much lower can homosexual activists get than this you wonder? They will come up with any lie and deception to continue to make fools out of everyone else and they blame you / everyone else because they are quite obviously the ones that do not accept themselves for what they are in the first place. To them this means if you are a homophobe, a hater, a bigot and whatever other lie and deception that they can possibly fathom just so they can better their chances at deceiving heterosexuals with their filthy disgusting low life scum bag deceptions! This has been going on since before the 60's it's called the tranny, but not only do they now get away with discriminating heterosexuals from having the right to be heterosexual with these sick filthy disgusting homosexual deceptions, they are making heterosexuals as haters, discriminators and bigots for being robbed by some sick filthy disgusting low life scum bag homosexual deception!!! Also why are other boys being discriminated from using the girls wash room just because they did' not get their genitals surgically mutilated or pretend to be something they never will be, the opposite sex?! (which is what leads to more heterosexuals of the right to be heterosexual) because they were born with a penis which is exactly what makes a male a male and is exactly why homosexuals get the surgical genital mutilation to mimic the male because they know that is their best chance at deception so they claim it is how you feel or how you perceive it yet they get the surgical genital mutilation which proves that they are lying because if it were how you feel or how you perceive that determines ones sex there would obviously be no fabricated need for the surgical genital mutilation in the first place. Homosexuals and homosexuals activists are among the most selfish greedy low life compulsive lying and deceiving discriminators that ever existed on the planet and they sure have made complete idiots out of general public / the lot of you!!!

Here is more homosexual activist advertising disgustingly and inexcusably forced on the public to try and gain the public's sympathy for homosexuals so that these homosexuals can continue to legally degrade, humiliate, traumatize heterosexuals while robbing heterosexuals of the right to be heterosexual while dictating to society that being heterosexual includes having sex with homosexuals with surgically mutilated genitals (those born with the same sex genital that the heterosexual them self is born with) otherwise the heterosexual is a homophobe. Now that's offensive, outrageous, disgusting, filthy and way beyond unacceptable as well a mockery made out of society by a bunch of liars and deceivers and this activity needs to be criminalized globally for the well being and sanity of current and future generations!

Being a heterosexual male does not include sticking your penis inside a surgically mutilated penis! Being a heterosexual female does not include inserting a surgically mutilated vagina into your vagina! That homosexual activists, as well City TV is propagating that homosexuals deserve any sort of sympathy to continue to degrade, humiliate, traumatize heterosexuals while robbing heterosexuals of the right to be heterosexual is well beyond offensive, disgusting and filthy! They are doing exactly that by promoting as legal and in any way shape or form acceptable, the tranny, transsexual, trans gender which are people who refuse to accept themselves for what they are and expect that heterosexuals should be the ones to have to suffer the consequences for it!

Do we hand the mentally defective a drill and a free pass to go around drilling peoples brains to make them mentally defective? Because we do not allow this, the person who is mentally defective is being discriminated against according to the homosexual activist warped pathetic insane mentality. (I'll get to that in just a sec)

Do we hand the physically handicapped an axe and a free pass to go around hacking off other peoples limbs so that they too then are physically defective? Because we do not allow this, the person who is physically defective is being discriminated against according to the homosexual activist warped pathetic insane mentality. (I'll get to that in just a sec)

So here we have the sexually defective aka homosexuals (if it were up to homosexuals to sustain the human race, we would have died off thousands of years ago for weakly being a race of sexually defective) and homosexual activists deceiving society with false claims of discrimination as well every twisted lie and deception that they can possibly fathom the issue which shamefully enough has lead for now to giving homosexuals the tools (wrongfully allowing homosexuals to pretend to be the opposite sex which leads to heterosexuals becoming victims) to degrade, traumatize, humiliate heterosexuals by robbing us of our heterosexuality with these sick filthy disgusting low life scum bag homosexual deceptions. They are quite clearly claiming that not allowing homosexuals to make guinea pigs out of heterosexuals with these sick filthy disguising homosexual deceptions thus degrade, humiliate, traumatize heterosexuals to the level of the sexually defective is discriminating homosexuals right to equality. That is the insane mentality of the homosexual activist, use every lie and deceptions to treat the public like a bunch into stupid idiots into supporting their lies and deceptions! They not only use every lie and deception on the foundation of this issue to do with their bias agenda, but they have used lies and deceptions as the foundation of their every issue to do with their bias agenda. Go ahead and look me up to find these activists are already exposed and have been hiding the information from the public for years with discrimination so they could continue to make a bunch of idiots out of the general public!.

While they have been doing this they have dictated that being heterosexual includes having sex with homosexuals (those born with the same sex genital that the heterosexual is born with) all the while put commercials on television to try and get you to have sympathy for these sick filthy disgusting homosexuals by attempting to promote the lie that tranny, transsexual and trans gender is promoting equality. Robbing heterosexuals of the right to be heterosexual these low life scum bag homosexual activists call equality and much of the public is brainwashed by such filthy disgusting lies! This really makes my blood boil!

And stop letting them fool you into thinking that everything that they stand for is about homosexual johnny just wants to be with homosexual Jimmy and just wants to be left alone because homosexual Timmy is going around deceiving thus discriminating heterosexuals of the right to be heterosexual!

What needs to be done to free our innocent little children as well as society as a while from this homosexual insanity is simply undo everything homosexual activists have done (legislation corrupted etc.) over the past few decades and start from scratch only this time make it so all procedures, surgeries and altercations must be made illegal for being used to make a person appear the opposite sex that they are born, as well discrimination against heterosexuality needs to be criminalized for the well being and sanity of current and future generations. Which quite obviously means that tranny, trans gender and transsexual needs to be criminalized. Homosexuals wanting to have sex with other homosexuals or even bi sexuals are one thing, but homosexuals that discriminate heterosexuals with homosexual deceptions is unacceptable for it is quite obviously robbing heterosexuals of the right to be heterosexuals. Anyone pretending to be the opposite sex encourages homosexuals to think that it is ok to do it as well which again leads to more heterosexual victims which is why pretending to be the opposite sex needs to be criminalized for everyone. This type of homosexual behaviour being forced upon innocent little children in the school system or upon citizens through government is unacceptable!

The days of this low life scum bag homosexual activist insanity plaguing the globe with it's insanity draws near to an end!

love

Primary Factual Fundamentalist World Class Activist
David Jeffrey Spetch
Ps. be good, be strong!
Hamilton Ontario Canada


The Homosexual "What They Don't Know Won't Hurt Them" Mentality

A homosexual with a surgically mutilated genital is not a sex change, but giving homosexuals every advantage to rob heterosexuals of the right to be heterosexual because some homosexuals refuse to accept themselves for what they are. I accept myself as a heterosexual and fight for the preservation of heterosexuality because no heterosexual deserves to be degraded, humiliated, traumatized by some homosexual and their lies and deceptions. I think that it is time homosexuals start respecting heterosexuals for what we are as well start accepting themselves for what they themselves are. It saddens me that they have managed to brain wash so many with their lies and deceptions along with false claims of discrimination and calling anyone that exposes them as a liars a hater a deceiver a bigot a homophobe while they stooped to make this look acceptable in any way shape or form.

Then they have the nerve to ask "What do you care" or "if you don't know what does it matter?" which is not only exemplifying absolutely no respect for heterosexuality, but trying to tell you that what you don't know won''t hurt you and yet is it acceptable to date rape people? I mean they don't know so why should they care by the homosexual activist logic? Or how about someone spitting in your food at a restaurant, it's acceptable to homosexual activists because of the you don't know so why should you care mentality. Why not just have someone urinate in your corn flakes every day because according to homosexual activists mentality, why should you care because you don't know. Infuriating!

love

Primary Factual Fundamentalist World Class Activist
David Jeffrey Spetch
Ps. be good, be strong!
Hamilton Ontario Canada

I'll have some tissues ready for you at the end of the month, ok?

It's not me that's going to be needing the tissue when everything homosexual activists have done over the decades are easily undone. And you bunch of obsessive compulsive liars and deceivers get no sympathy from me.

The Time To Take Back And Restore Marriage From A Bunch Of Discriminating Liars Draws Near

Not one homosexual activist has ever contested the fact that thousands of years of only heterosexual unions being honoured with marriage proves that marriage is about honouring the unity of the one sexual orientation to which we all owe our very own existence and that sexual unity is quite obviously heterosexual unions. Homosexual activists even became scholars then went through history attempting to label every homosexual union recorded throughout history as a marriage because marriage was never about honouring that if it were up to homosexuals to sustain the human race, we would have died off thousands of years ago for weakly being a race of sexually defective. But homosexual activists demonstrate to obsessively and compulsively try and make anything else including their every lie and deception the issue. I was in two relationships but was never married as several heterosexual couples are. But if homosexual activists thought it helped their bias agenda, they would call my relationships a marriage.

Homosexual activists have managed to temporarily make a complete mockery of marriage on some parts of the globe and they did this by ignoring and avoiding the very foundation of what marriage is about. Instead they scrambled to make marriage about anything else other than what marriage has always been about. For hundreds or even thousands of years since marriage was created, only heterosexual unions were ever honoured with marriage thus is the very non contestable factual evidence proving that marriage is exclusively about honouring the union of the one sexual orientation to which we all owe our very existence which is quite obviously heterosexual unions. Even different variations of the human race getting married was also always in honour of the unity of male and female. They even deceptively tried to make marriage to be about being with who you love. They again ignored the fact that love may have been present in many marriages but marriage itself was always between heterosexual unions of which beside that primary fact to do with this issue, not every heterosexual couple got married out of love.They also tried to make the issue about heterosexual couples who are not able to birth children and can still get married. That was when they were trying to make the issue of marriage into "marriage isn't about procreation." What they avoided, I find quite obvious, is the fact that heterosexual couples that can not have children still doesn't disrespect that marriage was created for and in honour of heterosexual unions. Marriage wouldn't even exist now if it were not for heterosexual unions. None of us would even exist now if it were not for heterosexual unions which quite obviously makes heterosexual unions, well above all other unions, worth honouring..if it were up to homosexuality to sustain the human population, we quite obviously would have died off thousands of years ago for weakly being a race of sexually defective and where is the honour in that?

The primary foundation of what marriage is = Thousands of years prove that marriage is exclusively about honouring heterosexual unions because for thousands of years since marriage was created, only heterosexual unions were ever honoured with marriage.

They take the one thing that heterosexuals have had for thousands of years which honours the unity and the importance of heterosexual unions, and they treat both marriage and heterosexuality like it's a piece of garbage that doesn't deserve to be respected. Homosexuals are not heterosexuals and the two are not equal. One leads to decay and the other leads to life. As humans we equally have the right to marry the opposite sex. Even our ancestors realized the significance of such unions yet homosexual activists don't even have the capacity to understand something so simple all by themselves. Instead, all homosexual activists demonstrate to care about is forcing themselves on some sort of pedestal with every lie and deception they can possibly fathom to do it.

They do it while demonstrating that to them, heterosexual unions are no more significant than any other union of any other sexual orientation even though our very existence proves that it is!

If it were up to gays to sustain the population we would have died off thousands of years ago for weakly being a race of sexually defective and what is there to be proud of or where is the honour in that?

which is the very obvious evidence proving that homosexuality does not and never did equal heterosexuality. It is homosexuals who have a hard time accepting the reality of what they are while they try and put the blame on everyone else for their very own non acceptance of what they themselves are.

As humans we all have the equal right to marry the opposite sex because that's what marriage was created for and in honour of. Homosexual activists making up lies such as false claims of discrimination does not change this fact.

love

Primary Factual Fundamentalist World Class Activist
David Jeffrey Spetch
Ps. Be good, be strong!
Hamilton, Ontario, Canada


Former Olympian Turned Low Life Scum Bag Poster Boy

Bruce Jenner, the new poster boy for homosexuals to think it is ok to pretend to be the opposite sex and rob heterosexuals of the right to be heterosexual yet they expect this trash to be respected. Respected for what, encouraging homosexuals to rob heterosexuals of the right to be heterosexual with these filthy low life scum bag homosexual deceptions!

As for me, 15 years of doing activism and no more Mr. Nice guy, I'll be happy to continue to tell it like it is to wake all of you out of your slumber on the foundation of this issue and many more with demonstrations of fact which reveal these homosexuals and homosexual activists for the liars and deceivers that they prove to be on the foundation of their every issue to do with their filthy little bias agenda! How disgusting homosexuals and homosexual activists are, the mockery they have made of society and heterosexuality is unforgivable!

The low life scum bags doing this story are calling a man with a surgically mutilated penis a woman thus they too are encouraging homosexuals to rob heterosexuals of the right to be heterosexual with these filthy low life scum bag homosexual deceptions! According to all of these involved with the media etc., you have no right to be heterosexual because some homosexual refuses to accept them self for what they are and seek to rob you of the right to be heterosexual for it!

These (trans gender, transsexual, tranny) types of homosexuals are not only bettering their chances of robbing heterosexuals of the right to be heterosexuals with these sick disgusting filthy low life scum bag homosexual deceptions, they are now labelling innocent little children trans gender and trying to use them to gain sympathy from the public. (Heterosexuals don't have the right to be heterosexual because some homosexual refuses to accept them self for what they are?!!! As if, this is going to change!!!) How much lower can homosexual activists get than this you wonder? They will come up with any lie and deception to continue to make fools out of everyone else and they blame you / everyone else because they are quite obviously the ones that do not accept themselves for what they are in the first place. To them this means if you are a homophobe, a hater, a bigot and whatever other lie and deception that they can possibly fathom just so they can better their chances at deceiving heterosexuals with their filthy disgusting low life scum bag deceptions! This has been going on since before the 60's it's called the tranny, but not only do they now get away with discriminating heterosexuals from having the right to be heterosexual with these sick filthy disgusting homosexual deceptions, they are making heterosexuals as haters, discriminators and bigots for being robbed by some sick filthy disgusting low life scum bag homosexual deception!!! Also why are other boys being discriminated from using the girls wash room just because they did' not get their genitals surgically mutilated or pretend to be something they never will be, the opposite sex?! (which is what leads to more heterosexuals of the right to be heterosexual) because they were born with a penis which is exactly what makes a male a male and is exactly why homosexuals get the surgical genital mutilation to mimic the male because they know that is their best chance at deception so they claim it is how you feel or how you perceive it yet they get the surgical genital mutilation which proves that they are lying because if it were how you feel or how you perceive that determines ones sex there would obviously be no fabricated need for the surgical genital mutilation in the first place. Homosexuals and homosexuals activists are among the most selfish greedy low life compulsive lying and deceiving discriminators that ever existed on the planet and they sure have made complete idiots out of general public / the lot of you!!!

Here is more homosexual activist advertising disgustingly and inexcusably forced on the public to try and gain the public's sympathy for homosexuals so that these homosexuals can continue to legally degrade, humiliate, traumatize heterosexuals while robbing heterosexuals of the right to be heterosexual while dictating to society that being heterosexual includes having sex with homosexuals with surgically mutilated genitals (those born with the same sex genital that the heterosexual them self is born with) otherwise the heterosexual is a homophobe. Now that's offensive, outrageous, disgusting, filthy and way beyond unacceptable as well a mockery made out of society by a bunch of liars and deceivers and this activity needs to be criminalized globally for the well being and sanity of current and future generations!

Being a heterosexual male does not include sticking your penis inside a surgically mutilated penis! Being a heterosexual female does not include inserting a surgically mutilated vagina into your vagina! That homosexual activists, as well City TV is propagating that homosexuals deserve any sort of sympathy to continue to degrade, humiliate, traumatize heterosexuals while robbing heterosexuals of the right to be heterosexual is well beyond offensive, disgusting and filthy! They are doing exactly that by promoting as legal and in any way shape or form acceptable, the tranny, transsexual, trans gender which are people who refuse to accept themselves for what they are and expect that heterosexuals should be the ones to have to suffer the consequences for it!

Do we hand the mentally defective a drill and a free pass to go around drilling peoples brains to make them mentally defective? Because we do not allow this, the person who is mentally defective is being discriminated against according to the homosexual activist warped pathetic insane mentality. (I'll get to that in just a sec)

Do we hand the physically handicapped an axe and a free pass to go around hacking off other peoples limbs so that they too then are physically defective? Because we do not allow this, the person who is physically defective is being discriminated against according to the homosexual activist warped pathetic insane mentality. (I'll get to that in just a sec)

So here we have the sexually defective aka homosexuals (if it were up to homosexuals to sustain the human race, we would have died off thousands of years ago for weakly being a race of sexually defective) and homosexual activists deceiving society with false claims of discrimination as well every twisted lie and deception that they can possibly fathom the issue which shamefully enough has lead for now to giving homosexuals the tools (wrongfully allowing homosexuals to pretend to be the opposite sex which leads to heterosexuals becoming victims) to degrade, traumatize, humiliate heterosexuals by robbing us of our heterosexuality with these sick filthy disgusting low life scum bag homosexual deceptions. They are quite clearly claiming that not allowing homosexuals to make guinea pigs out of heterosexuals with these sick filthy disguising homosexual deceptions thus degrade, humiliate, traumatize heterosexuals to the level of the sexually defective is discriminating homosexuals right to equality. That is the insane mentality of the homosexual activist, use every lie and deceptions to treat the public like a bunch into stupid idiots into supporting their lies and deceptions! They not only use every lie and deception on the foundation of this issue to do with their bias agenda, but they have used lies and deceptions as the foundation of their every issue to do with their bias agenda. Go ahead and look me up to find these activists are already exposed and have been hiding the information from the public for years with discrimination so they could continue to make a bunch of idiots out of the general public!.

While they have been doing this they have dictated that being heterosexual includes having sex with homosexuals (those born with the same sex genital that the heterosexual is born with) all the while put commercials on television to try and get you to have sympathy for these sick filthy disgusting homosexuals by attempting to promote the lie that tranny, transsexual and trans gender is promoting equality. Robbing heterosexuals of the right to be heterosexual these low life scum bag homosexual activists call equality and much of the public is brainwashed by such filthy disgusting lies! This really makes my blood boil!

And stop letting them fool you into thinking that everything that they stand for is about homosexual johnny just wants to be with homosexual Jimmy and just wants to be left alone because homosexual Timmy is going around deceiving thus discriminating heterosexuals of the right to be heterosexual!

What needs to be done to free our innocent little children as well as society as a while from this homosexual insanity is simply undo everything homosexual activists have done (legislation corrupted etc.) over the past few decades and start from scratch only this time make it so all procedures, surgeries and altercations must be made illegal for being used to make a person appear the opposite sex that they are born, as well discrimination against heterosexuality needs to be criminalized for the well being and sanity of current and future generations. Which quite obviously means that tranny, trans gender and transsexual needs to be criminalized. Homosexuals wanting to have sex with other homosexuals or even bi sexuals are one thing, but homosexuals that discriminate heterosexuals with homosexual deceptions is unacceptable for it is quite obviously robbing heterosexuals of the right to be heterosexuals. Anyone pretending to be the opposite sex encourages homosexuals to think that it is ok to do it as well which again leads to more heterosexual victims which is why pretending to be the opposite sex needs to be criminalized for everyone. This type of homosexual behaviour being forced upon innocent little children in the school system or upon citizens through government is unacceptable!

The days of this low life scum bag homosexual activist insanity plaguing the globe with it's insanity draws near to an end!

love

Primary Factual Fundamentalist World Class Activist
David Jeffrey Spetch
Ps. be good, be strong!
Hamilton Ontario Canada

The Homosexual "What They Don't Know Won't Hurt Them" Mentality

A homosexual with a surgically mutilated genital is not a sex change, but giving homosexuals every advantage to rob heterosexuals of the right to be heterosexual because some homosexuals refuse to accept themselves for what they are. I accept myself as a heterosexual and fight for the preservation of heterosexuality because no heterosexual deserves to be degraded, humiliated, traumatized by some homosexual and their lies and deceptions. I think that it is time homosexuals start respecting heterosexuals for what we are as well start accepting themselves for what they themselves are. It saddens me that they have managed to brain wash so many with their lies and deceptions along with false claims of discrimination and calling anyone that exposes them as a liars a hater a deceiver a bigot a homophobe while they stooped to make this look acceptable in any way shape or form.

Then they have the nerve to ask "What do you care" or "if you don't know what does it matter?" which is not only exemplifying absolutely no respect for heterosexuality, but trying to tell you that what you don't know won''t hurt you and yet is it acceptable to date rape people? I mean they don't know so why should they care by the homosexual activist logic? Or how about someone spitting in your food at a restaurant, it's acceptable to homosexual activists because of the you don't know so why should you care mentality. Why not just have someone urinate in your corn flakes every day because according to homosexual activists mentality, why should you care because you don't know. Infuriating!

love

Primary Factual Fundamentalist World Class Activist
David Jeffrey Spetch
Ps. be good, be strong!
Hamilton Ontario Canada

 

[Seawytch]

^^^^ Real or Poe's law? ^^^^

 

[Faun]

I at least get the concept of straight government marriage. Perpetuation of the species. It is the best situation for kids to have a traditional family with a mother and father because:

1) Men and women have different personalities and it is ideal for kids to have a parental relationship with one of each. Having two of the same sex is like having two left shoes or two right shoes. Neither a left shoe nor right shoes is more important than the other, you need one of each. They are different.

2) Kids are best served with a stay at home parent, generally a mother for many reasons for nurturing, caring and helping them stay out of trouble unattended

So for a mother to stay home, it's expensive. Taxpayers as part of the species benefit from the advancement of the species. And frankly that leads even financially to better taxpayers on average in the future.

If gays want to mate and pool resources, that's fine. But why should taxpayers pay for that? Government revenue is reduced, but why? What do we get out of it? Why should we have to fund it? What benefit is it to society that we should be paying for it?

The question: This is a financial question, not a moral one. How financially do the rest of us benefit that government should be charging us higher taxes to make up for lower taxes for people to have gay sex who do not perpetuate the species? Why do we gain for that we should pay for it? That is the question

Asking that question in a forum chalked full of homosexual activists is asking to see a million lies soon to be displayed on this thread likely from every single one of them that responds here.

I'll leave for you a real education based upon fact to do with the foundation of each issue which reveal homosexual activists for the liars and deceivers that they prove to be. This is not based on belief, or opinion, or truth, or theory but is based upon non contestable fact.

Keep in mind that heterosexuals are currently being made homosexual guinea pigs and some claim for population control meanwhile homosexuals (lesbians) are being artificially inseminated. But before we get back to that (I'll blow you away) Lets have a look at how they for now have made a temporary mockery of marriage along with the factual evidence which will lead to restoring marriage back to a respectable state. Oh and the reason that you are funding them is because homosexuals refuse to accept themselves for what they are but that will soon change

The Time To Take Back And Restore Marriage From A Bunch Of Discriminating Liars Draws Near

Not one homosexual activist has ever contested the fact that thousands of years of only heterosexual unions being honoured with marriage proves that marriage is about honouring the unity of the one sexual orientation to which we all owe our very own existence and that sexual unity is quite obviously heterosexual unions. Homosexual activists even became scholars then went through history attempting to label every homosexual union recorded throughout history as a marriage because marriage was never about honouring that if it were up to homosexuals to sustain the human race, we would have died off thousands of years ago for weakly being a race of sexually defective. But homosexual activists demonstrate to obsessively and compulsively try and make anything else including their every lie and deception the issue. I was in two relationships but was never married as several heterosexual couples are. But if homosexual activists thought it helped their bias agenda, they would call my relationships a marriage.

Homosexual activists have managed to temporarily make a complete mockery of marriage on some parts of the globe and they did this by ignoring and avoiding the very foundation of what marriage is about. Instead they scrambled to make marriage about anything else other than what marriage has always been about. For hundreds or even thousands of years since marriage was created, only heterosexual unions were ever honoured with marriage thus is the very non contestable factual evidence proving that marriage is exclusively about honouring the union of the one sexual orientation to which we all owe our very existence which is quite obviously heterosexual unions. Even different variations of the human race getting married was also always in honour of the unity of male and female. They even deceptively tried to make marriage to be about being with who you love. They again ignored the fact that love may have been present in many marriages but marriage itself was always between heterosexual unions of which beside that primary fact to do with this issue, not every heterosexual couple got married out of love.They also tried to make the issue about heterosexual couples who are not able to birth children and can still get married. That was when they were trying to make the issue of marriage into "marriage isn't about procreation." What they avoided, I find quite obvious, is the fact that heterosexual couples that can not have children still doesn't disrespect that marriage was created for and in honour of heterosexual unions. Marriage wouldn't even exist now if it were not for heterosexual unions. None of us would even exist now if it were not for heterosexual unions which quite obviously makes heterosexual unions, well above all other unions, worth honouring..if it were up to homosexuality to sustain the human population, we quite obviously would have died off thousands of years ago for weakly being a race of sexually defective and where is the honour in that?

The primary foundation of what marriage is = Thousands of years prove that marriage is exclusively about honouring heterosexual unions because for thousands of years since marriage was created, only heterosexual unions were ever honoured with marriage.

They take the one thing that heterosexuals have had for thousands of years which honours the unity and the importance of heterosexual unions, and they treat both marriage and heterosexuality like it's a piece of garbage that doesn't deserve to be respected. Homosexuals are not heterosexuals and the two are not equal. One leads to decay and the other leads to life. As humans we equally have the right to marry the opposite sex. Even our ancestors realized the significance of such unions yet homosexual activists don't even have the capacity to understand something so simple all by themselves. Instead, all homosexual activists demonstrate to care about is forcing themselves on some sort of pedestal with every lie and deception they can possibly fathom to do it.

They do it while demonstrating that to them, heterosexual unions are no more significant than any other union of any other sexual orientation even though our very existence proves that it is!

If it were up to gays to sustain the population we would have died off thousands of years ago for weakly being a race of sexually defective and what is there to be proud of or where is the honour in that?

which is the very obvious evidence proving that homosexuality does not and never did equal heterosexuality. It is homosexuals who have a hard time accepting the reality of what they are while they try and put the blame on everyone else for their very own non acceptance of what they themselves are.

As humans we all have the equal right to marry the opposite sex because that's what marriage was created for and in honour of. Homosexual activists making up lies such as false claims of discrimination does not change this fact.

love

Primary Factual Fundamentalist World Class Activist
David Jeffrey Spetch
Ps. Be good, be strong!
Hamilton, Ontario, Canada


Former Olympian Turned Low Life Scum Bag Poster Boy

Bruce Jenner, the new poster boy for homosexuals to think it is ok to pretend to be the opposite sex and rob heterosexuals of the right to be heterosexual yet they expect this trash to be respected. Respected for what, encouraging homosexuals to rob heterosexuals of the right to be heterosexual with these filthy low life scum bag homosexual deceptions!

As for me, 15 years of doing activism and no more Mr. Nice guy, I'll be happy to continue to tell it like it is to wake all of you out of your slumber on the foundation of this issue and many more with demonstrations of fact which reveal these homosexuals and homosexual activists for the liars and deceivers that they prove to be on the foundation of their every issue to do with their filthy little bias agenda! How disgusting homosexuals and homosexual activists are, the mockery they have made of society and heterosexuality is unforgivable!

The low life scum bags doing this story are calling a man with a surgically mutilated penis a woman thus they too are encouraging homosexuals to rob heterosexuals of the right to be heterosexual with these filthy low life scum bag homosexual deceptions! According to all of these involved with the media etc., you have no right to be heterosexual because some homosexual refuses to accept them self for what they are and seek to rob you of the right to be heterosexual for it!

These (trans gender, transsexual, tranny) types of homosexuals are not only bettering their chances of robbing heterosexuals of the right to be heterosexuals with these sick disgusting filthy low life scum bag homosexual deceptions, they are now labelling innocent little children trans gender and trying to use them to gain sympathy from the public. (Heterosexuals don't have the right to be heterosexual because some homosexual refuses to accept them self for what they are?!!! As if, this is going to change!!!) How much lower can homosexual activists get than this you wonder? They will come up with any lie and deception to continue to make fools out of everyone else and they blame you / everyone else because they are quite obviously the ones that do not accept themselves for what they are in the first place. To them this means if you are a homophobe, a hater, a bigot and whatever other lie and deception that they can possibly fathom just so they can better their chances at deceiving heterosexuals with their filthy disgusting low life scum bag deceptions! This has been going on since before the 60's it's called the tranny, but not only do they now get away with discriminating heterosexuals from having the right to be heterosexual with these sick filthy disgusting homosexual deceptions, they are making heterosexuals as haters, discriminators and bigots for being robbed by some sick filthy disgusting low life scum bag homosexual deception!!! Also why are other boys being discriminated from using the girls wash room just because they did' not get their genitals surgically mutilated or pretend to be something they never will be, the opposite sex?! (which is what leads to more heterosexuals of the right to be heterosexual) because they were born with a penis which is exactly what makes a male a male and is exactly why homosexuals get the surgical genital mutilation to mimic the male because they know that is their best chance at deception so they claim it is how you feel or how you perceive it yet they get the surgical genital mutilation which proves that they are lying because if it were how you feel or how you perceive that determines ones sex there would obviously be no fabricated need for the surgical genital mutilation in the first place. Homosexuals and homosexuals activists are among the most selfish greedy low life compulsive lying and deceiving discriminators that ever existed on the planet and they sure have made complete idiots out of general public / the lot of you!!!

Here is more homosexual activist advertising disgustingly and inexcusably forced on the public to try and gain the public's sympathy for homosexuals so that these homosexuals can continue to legally degrade, humiliate, traumatize heterosexuals while robbing heterosexuals of the right to be heterosexual while dictating to society that being heterosexual includes having sex with homosexuals with surgically mutilated genitals (those born with the same sex genital that the heterosexual them self is born with) otherwise the heterosexual is a homophobe. Now that's offensive, outrageous, disgusting, filthy and way beyond unacceptable as well a mockery made out of society by a bunch of liars and deceivers and this activity needs to be criminalized globally for the well being and sanity of current and future generations!

Being a heterosexual male does not include sticking your penis inside a surgically mutilated penis! Being a heterosexual female does not include inserting a surgically mutilated vagina into your vagina! That homosexual activists, as well City TV is propagating that homosexuals deserve any sort of sympathy to continue to degrade, humiliate, traumatize heterosexuals while robbing heterosexuals of the right to be heterosexual is well beyond offensive, disgusting and filthy! They are doing exactly that by promoting as legal and in any way shape or form acceptable, the tranny, transsexual, trans gender which are people who refuse to accept themselves for what they are and expect that heterosexuals should be the ones to have to suffer the consequences for it!

Do we hand the mentally defective a drill and a free pass to go around drilling peoples brains to make them mentally defective? Because we do not allow this, the person who is mentally defective is being discriminated against according to the homosexual activist warped pathetic insane mentality. (I'll get to that in just a sec)

Do we hand the physically handicapped an axe and a free pass to go around hacking off other peoples limbs so that they too then are physically defective? Because we do not allow this, the person who is physically defective is being discriminated against according to the homosexual activist warped pathetic insane mentality. (I'll get to that in just a sec)

So here we have the sexually defective aka homosexuals (if it were up to homosexuals to sustain the human race, we would have died off thousands of years ago for weakly being a race of sexually defective) and homosexual activists deceiving society with false claims of discrimination as well every twisted lie and deception that they can possibly fathom the issue which shamefully enough has lead for now to giving homosexuals the tools (wrongfully allowing homosexuals to pretend to be the opposite sex which leads to heterosexuals becoming victims) to degrade, traumatize, humiliate heterosexuals by robbing us of our heterosexuality with these sick filthy disgusting low life scum bag homosexual deceptions. They are quite clearly claiming that not allowing homosexuals to make guinea pigs out of heterosexuals with these sick filthy disguising homosexual deceptions thus degrade, humiliate, traumatize heterosexuals to the level of the sexually defective is discriminating homosexuals right to equality. That is the insane mentality of the homosexual activist, use every lie and deceptions to treat the public like a bunch into stupid idiots into supporting their lies and deceptions! They not only use every lie and deception on the foundation of this issue to do with their bias agenda, but they have used lies and deceptions as the foundation of their every issue to do with their bias agenda. Go ahead and look me up to find these activists are already exposed and have been hiding the information from the public for years with discrimination so they could continue to make a bunch of idiots out of the general public!.

While they have been doing this they have dictated that being heterosexual includes having sex with homosexuals (those born with the same sex genital that the heterosexual is born with) all the while put commercials on television to try and get you to have sympathy for these sick filthy disgusting homosexuals by attempting to promote the lie that tranny, transsexual and trans gender is promoting equality. Robbing heterosexuals of the right to be heterosexual these low life scum bag homosexual activists call equality and much of the public is brainwashed by such filthy disgusting lies! This really makes my blood boil!

And stop letting them fool you into thinking that everything that they stand for is about homosexual johnny just wants to be with homosexual Jimmy and just wants to be left alone because homosexual Timmy is going around deceiving thus discriminating heterosexuals of the right to be heterosexual!

What needs to be done to free our innocent little children as well as society as a while from this homosexual insanity is simply undo everything homosexual activists have done (legislation corrupted etc.) over the past few decades and start from scratch only this time make it so all procedures, surgeries and altercations must be made illegal for being used to make a person appear the opposite sex that they are born, as well discrimination against heterosexuality needs to be criminalized for the well being and sanity of current and future generations. Which quite obviously means that tranny, trans gender and transsexual needs to be criminalized. Homosexuals wanting to have sex with other homosexuals or even bi sexuals are one thing, but homosexuals that discriminate heterosexuals with homosexual deceptions is unacceptable for it is quite obviously robbing heterosexuals of the right to be heterosexuals. Anyone pretending to be the opposite sex encourages homosexuals to think that it is ok to do it as well which again leads to more heterosexual victims which is why pretending to be the opposite sex needs to be criminalized for everyone. This type of homosexual behaviour being forced upon innocent little children in the school system or upon citizens through government is unacceptable!

The days of this low life scum bag homosexual activist insanity plaguing the globe with it's insanity draws near to an end!

love

Primary Factual Fundamentalist World Class Activist
David Jeffrey Spetch
Ps. be good, be strong!
Hamilton Ontario Canada


The Homosexual "What They Don't Know Won't Hurt Them" Mentality

A homosexual with a surgically mutilated genital is not a sex change, but giving homosexuals every advantage to rob heterosexuals of the right to be heterosexual because some homosexuals refuse to accept themselves for what they are. I accept myself as a heterosexual and fight for the preservation of heterosexuality because no heterosexual deserves to be degraded, humiliated, traumatized by some homosexual and their lies and deceptions. I think that it is time homosexuals start respecting heterosexuals for what we are as well start accepting themselves for what they themselves are. It saddens me that they have managed to brain wash so many with their lies and deceptions along with false claims of discrimination and calling anyone that exposes them as a liars a hater a deceiver a bigot a homophobe while they stooped to make this look acceptable in any way shape or form.

Then they have the nerve to ask "What do you care" or "if you don't know what does it matter?" which is not only exemplifying absolutely no respect for heterosexuality, but trying to tell you that what you don't know won''t hurt you and yet is it acceptable to date rape people? I mean they don't know so why should they care by the homosexual activist logic? Or how about someone spitting in your food at a restaurant, it's acceptable to homosexual activists because of the you don't know so why should you care mentality. Why not just have someone urinate in your corn flakes every day because according to homosexual activists mentality, why should you care because you don't know. Infuriating!

love

Primary Factual Fundamentalist World Class Activist
David Jeffrey Spetch
Ps. be good, be strong!
Hamilton Ontario Canada

I'll have some tissues ready for you at the end of the month, ok?

It's not me that's going to be needing the tissue when everything homosexual activists have done over the decades are easily undone. And you bunch of obsessive compulsive liars and deceivers get no sympathy from me.

The Time To Take Back And Restore Marriage From A Bunch Of Discriminating Liars Draws Near

Not one homosexual activist has ever contested the fact that thousands of years of only heterosexual unions being honoured with marriage proves that marriage is about honouring the unity of the one sexual orientation to which we all owe our very own existence and that sexual unity is quite obviously heterosexual unions. Homosexual activists even became scholars then went through history attempting to label every homosexual union recorded throughout history as a marriage because marriage was never about honouring that if it were up to homosexuals to sustain the human race, we would have died off thousands of years ago for weakly being a race of sexually defective. But homosexual activists demonstrate to obsessively and compulsively try and make anything else including their every lie and deception the issue. I was in two relationships but was never married as several heterosexual couples are. But if homosexual activists thought it helped their bias agenda, they would call my relationships a marriage.

Homosexual activists have managed to temporarily make a complete mockery of marriage on some parts of the globe and they did this by ignoring and avoiding the very foundation of what marriage is about. Instead they scrambled to make marriage about anything else other than what marriage has always been about. For hundreds or even thousands of years since marriage was created, only heterosexual unions were ever honoured with marriage thus is the very non contestable factual evidence proving that marriage is exclusively about honouring the union of the one sexual orientation to which we all owe our very existence which is quite obviously heterosexual unions. Even different variations of the human race getting married was also always in honour of the unity of male and female. They even deceptively tried to make marriage to be about being with who you love. They again ignored the fact that love may have been present in many marriages but marriage itself was always between heterosexual unions of which beside that primary fact to do with this issue, not every heterosexual couple got married out of love.They also tried to make the issue about heterosexual couples who are not able to birth children and can still get married. That was when they were trying to make the issue of marriage into "marriage isn't about procreation." What they avoided, I find quite obvious, is the fact that heterosexual couples that can not have children still doesn't disrespect that marriage was created for and in honour of heterosexual unions. Marriage wouldn't even exist now if it were not for heterosexual unions. None of us would even exist now if it were not for heterosexual unions which quite obviously makes heterosexual unions, well above all other unions, worth honouring..if it were up to homosexuality to sustain the human population, we quite obviously would have died off thousands of years ago for weakly being a race of sexually defective and where is the honour in that?

The primary foundation of what marriage is = Thousands of years prove that marriage is exclusively about honouring heterosexual unions because for thousands of years since marriage was created, only heterosexual unions were ever honoured with marriage.

They take the one thing that heterosexuals have had for thousands of years which honours the unity and the importance of heterosexual unions, and they treat both marriage and heterosexuality like it's a piece of garbage that doesn't deserve to be respected. Homosexuals are not heterosexuals and the two are not equal. One leads to decay and the other leads to life. As humans we equally have the right to marry the opposite sex. Even our ancestors realized the significance of such unions yet homosexual activists don't even have the capacity to understand something so simple all by themselves. Instead, all homosexual activists demonstrate to care about is forcing themselves on some sort of pedestal with every lie and deception they can possibly fathom to do it.

They do it while demonstrating that to them, heterosexual unions are no more significant than any other union of any other sexual orientation even though our very existence proves that it is!

If it were up to gays to sustain the population we would have died off thousands of years ago for weakly being a race of sexually defective and what is there to be proud of or where is the honour in that?

which is the very obvious evidence proving that homosexuality does not and never did equal heterosexuality. It is homosexuals who have a hard time accepting the reality of what they are while they try and put the blame on everyone else for their very own non acceptance of what they themselves are.

As humans we all have the equal right to marry the opposite sex because that's what marriage was created for and in honour of. Homosexual activists making up lies such as false claims of discrimination does not change this fact.

love

Primary Factual Fundamentalist World Class Activist
David Jeffrey Spetch
Ps. Be good, be strong!
Hamilton, Ontario, Canada


Former Olympian Turned Low Life Scum Bag Poster Boy

Bruce Jenner, the new poster boy for homosexuals to think it is ok to pretend to be the opposite sex and rob heterosexuals of the right to be heterosexual yet they expect this trash to be respected. Respected for what, encouraging homosexuals to rob heterosexuals of the right to be heterosexual with these filthy low life scum bag homosexual deceptions!

As for me, 15 years of doing activism and no more Mr. Nice guy, I'll be happy to continue to tell it like it is to wake all of you out of your slumber on the foundation of this issue and many more with demonstrations of fact which reveal these homosexuals and homosexual activists for the liars and deceivers that they prove to be on the foundation of their every issue to do with their filthy little bias agenda! How disgusting homosexuals and homosexual activists are, the mockery they have made of society and heterosexuality is unforgivable!

The low life scum bags doing this story are calling a man with a surgically mutilated penis a woman thus they too are encouraging homosexuals to rob heterosexuals of the right to be heterosexual with these filthy low life scum bag homosexual deceptions! According to all of these involved with the media etc., you have no right to be heterosexual because some homosexual refuses to accept them self for what they are and seek to rob you of the right to be heterosexual for it!

These (trans gender, transsexual, tranny) types of homosexuals are not only bettering their chances of robbing heterosexuals of the right to be heterosexuals with these sick disgusting filthy low life scum bag homosexual deceptions, they are now labelling innocent little children trans gender and trying to use them to gain sympathy from the public. (Heterosexuals don't have the right to be heterosexual because some homosexual refuses to accept them self for what they are?!!! As if, this is going to change!!!) How much lower can homosexual activists get than this you wonder? They will come up with any lie and deception to continue to make fools out of everyone else and they blame you / everyone else because they are quite obviously the ones that do not accept themselves for what they are in the first place. To them this means if you are a homophobe, a hater, a bigot and whatever other lie and deception that they can possibly fathom just so they can better their chances at deceiving heterosexuals with their filthy disgusting low life scum bag deceptions! This has been going on since before the 60's it's called the tranny, but not only do they now get away with discriminating heterosexuals from having the right to be heterosexual with these sick filthy disgusting homosexual deceptions, they are making heterosexuals as haters, discriminators and bigots for being robbed by some sick filthy disgusting low life scum bag homosexual deception!!! Also why are other boys being discriminated from using the girls wash room just because they did' not get their genitals surgically mutilated or pretend to be something they never will be, the opposite sex?! (which is what leads to more heterosexuals of the right to be heterosexual) because they were born with a penis which is exactly what makes a male a male and is exactly why homosexuals get the surgical genital mutilation to mimic the male because they know that is their best chance at deception so they claim it is how you feel or how you perceive it yet they get the surgical genital mutilation which proves that they are lying because if it were how you feel or how you perceive that determines ones sex there would obviously be no fabricated need for the surgical genital mutilation in the first place. Homosexuals and homosexuals activists are among the most selfish greedy low life compulsive lying and deceiving discriminators that ever existed on the planet and they sure have made complete idiots out of general public / the lot of you!!!

Here is more homosexual activist advertising disgustingly and inexcusably forced on the public to try and gain the public's sympathy for homosexuals so that these homosexuals can continue to legally degrade, humiliate, traumatize heterosexuals while robbing heterosexuals of the right to be heterosexual while dictating to society that being heterosexual includes having sex with homosexuals with surgically mutilated genitals (those born with the same sex genital that the heterosexual them self is born with) otherwise the heterosexual is a homophobe. Now that's offensive, outrageous, disgusting, filthy and way beyond unacceptable as well a mockery made out of society by a bunch of liars and deceivers and this activity needs to be criminalized globally for the well being and sanity of current and future generations!

Being a heterosexual male does not include sticking your penis inside a surgically mutilated penis! Being a heterosexual female does not include inserting a surgically mutilated vagina into your vagina! That homosexual activists, as well City TV is propagating that homosexuals deserve any sort of sympathy to continue to degrade, humiliate, traumatize heterosexuals while robbing heterosexuals of the right to be heterosexual is well beyond offensive, disgusting and filthy! They are doing exactly that by promoting as legal and in any way shape or form acceptable, the tranny, transsexual, trans gender which are people who refuse to accept themselves for what they are and expect that heterosexuals should be the ones to have to suffer the consequences for it!

Do we hand the mentally defective a drill and a free pass to go around drilling peoples brains to make them mentally defective? Because we do not allow this, the person who is mentally defective is being discriminated against according to the homosexual activist warped pathetic insane mentality. (I'll get to that in just a sec)

Do we hand the physically handicapped an axe and a free pass to go around hacking off other peoples limbs so that they too then are physically defective? Because we do not allow this, the person who is physically defective is being discriminated against according to the homosexual activist warped pathetic insane mentality. (I'll get to that in just a sec)

So here we have the sexually defective aka homosexuals (if it were up to homosexuals to sustain the human race, we would have died off thousands of years ago for weakly being a race of sexually defective) and homosexual activists deceiving society with false claims of discrimination as well every twisted lie and deception that they can possibly fathom the issue which shamefully enough has lead for now to giving homosexuals the tools (wrongfully allowing homosexuals to pretend to be the opposite sex which leads to heterosexuals becoming victims) to degrade, traumatize, humiliate heterosexuals by robbing us of our heterosexuality with these sick filthy disgusting low life scum bag homosexual deceptions. They are quite clearly claiming that not allowing homosexuals to make guinea pigs out of heterosexuals with these sick filthy disguising homosexual deceptions thus degrade, humiliate, traumatize heterosexuals to the level of the sexually defective is discriminating homosexuals right to equality. That is the insane mentality of the homosexual activist, use every lie and deceptions to treat the public like a bunch into stupid idiots into supporting their lies and deceptions! They not only use every lie and deception on the foundation of this issue to do with their bias agenda, but they have used lies and deceptions as the foundation of their every issue to do with their bias agenda. Go ahead and look me up to find these activists are already exposed and have been hiding the information from the public for years with discrimination so they could continue to make a bunch of idiots out of the general public!.

While they have been doing this they have dictated that being heterosexual includes having sex with homosexuals (those born with the same sex genital that the heterosexual is born with) all the while put commercials on television to try and get you to have sympathy for these sick filthy disgusting homosexuals by attempting to promote the lie that tranny, transsexual and trans gender is promoting equality. Robbing heterosexuals of the right to be heterosexual these low life scum bag homosexual activists call equality and much of the public is brainwashed by such filthy disgusting lies! This really makes my blood boil!

And stop letting them fool you into thinking that everything that they stand for is about homosexual johnny just wants to be with homosexual Jimmy and just wants to be left alone because homosexual Timmy is going around deceiving thus discriminating heterosexuals of the right to be heterosexual!

What needs to be done to free our innocent little children as well as society as a while from this homosexual insanity is simply undo everything homosexual activists have done (legislation corrupted etc.) over the past few decades and start from scratch only this time make it so all procedures, surgeries and altercations must be made illegal for being used to make a person appear the opposite sex that they are born, as well discrimination against heterosexuality needs to be criminalized for the well being and sanity of current and future generations. Which quite obviously means that tranny, trans gender and transsexual needs to be criminalized. Homosexuals wanting to have sex with other homosexuals or even bi sexuals are one thing, but homosexuals that discriminate heterosexuals with homosexual deceptions is unacceptable for it is quite obviously robbing heterosexuals of the right to be heterosexuals. Anyone pretending to be the opposite sex encourages homosexuals to think that it is ok to do it as well which again leads to more heterosexual victims which is why pretending to be the opposite sex needs to be criminalized for everyone. This type of homosexual behaviour being forced upon innocent little children in the school system or upon citizens through government is unacceptable!

The days of this low life scum bag homosexual activist insanity plaguing the globe with it's insanity draws near to an end!

love

Primary Factual Fundamentalist World Class Activist
David Jeffrey Spetch
Ps. be good, be strong!
Hamilton Ontario Canada

The Homosexual "What They Don't Know Won't Hurt Them" Mentality

A homosexual with a surgically mutilated genital is not a sex change, but giving homosexuals every advantage to rob heterosexuals of the right to be heterosexual because some homosexuals refuse to accept themselves for what they are. I accept myself as a heterosexual and fight for the preservation of heterosexuality because no heterosexual deserves to be degraded, humiliated, traumatized by some homosexual and their lies and deceptions. I think that it is time homosexuals start respecting heterosexuals for what we are as well start accepting themselves for what they themselves are. It saddens me that they have managed to brain wash so many with their lies and deceptions along with false claims of discrimination and calling anyone that exposes them as a liars a hater a deceiver a bigot a homophobe while they stooped to make this look acceptable in any way shape or form.

Then they have the nerve to ask "What do you care" or "if you don't know what does it matter?" which is not only exemplifying absolutely no respect for heterosexuality, but trying to tell you that what you don't know won''t hurt you and yet is it acceptable to date rape people? I mean they don't know so why should they care by the homosexual activist logic? Or how about someone spitting in your food at a restaurant, it's acceptable to homosexual activists because of the you don't know so why should you care mentality. Why not just have someone urinate in your corn flakes every day because according to homosexual activists mentality, why should you care because you don't know. Infuriating!

love

Primary Factual Fundamentalist World Class Activist
David Jeffrey Spetch
Ps. be good, be strong!
Hamilton Ontario Canada

I have a feeling I'm going to regret asking this .... but .... how are homosexuals robbing heterosexuals of being heterosexual?

 

[Faun]

I knew this would be fun.

Nowhere in that diatribe do you actually answer the question .... where do you think the right to pursue comes from?

When you said "the right to pursue" what exactly did you mean?

Where does the right to pursue happiness come from. I don't mean the words; the right. Where do you think it comes from?

Um...where does the right to pursue happiness come from? I was guessing that was what you meant, but I was dumbfounded you'd ask that again as I keep pointing out to you that it's in the Declaration of Independence, not the Constitution. What are you trying to get at? I'm confused, can you be a bit clearer?

Declaration of Independence, "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

Constitution: "No person shall be ... deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law"

The Declaration of Independence is a document that tells King George to go screw himself, it's not a foundation for our legal system. We're just telling him he's infringing on our right to pursue happiness.

The Constitution is a legal document, it creates the basis for our laws. So how they protect the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness is by saying government cannot remove life, liberty or property without due process of law, meaning they have to with your rights protected prove you committed a crime.

When you ask if we have the right to pursue happiness then, it depends on the context. You asked without context, which is why I didn't answer the question. As human beings, do we have the right to pursue happiness? Yes. Is it endowed by our creator? Yes. Even Hitler and Stalin had to justify what they did with lies. People may be manipulable, but even bad ones grasp it at some level in their makeup.

So is using supposedly protecting the right to pursue happiness a power of the courts? No, it's not directly. It's quantified as the government can only with due process remove the right to life, liberty and property, that is how the Constitution protects the right to pursue happiness.

I've said this at least a dozen times. This is my full attempt to explain it. If you still don't get it from here, I can't help you

Are you under the impression that the government does not have to protect our rights if they are not specifically mentioned in the Constitution?

Do you think the government can deny us our rights which are not directly mentioned in the Constitution?

Wow, you fundamentally don't understand the Constitution. The Constitution does not say that we have the rights granted to us in the Constitution, it's the complete reverse. The Constitution says that government only has the powers granted to it. You may want to read up on that

Not surprisingly, you're clueless about this too. The Constitution actually mentions several rights of the people, including, but not limited to, freedom of speech, right to peaceably assemble, right to keep and bear arms, etc....

Are you even American? You have no clue what it means to be an American. How could you not know the Constitution not only lists a bunch of rights, it prevents the government from denying those rights; and by extension, all rights.

Who do you think secures your rights if not the government?

 

[kaz]

Now see, you didn't waste your time writing serious content when you just wanted to be an ass. Was that so hard?

Why do you insist on changing the definition of terms to mean the opposite of what they mean. Smiling and being nice is not being an ass

You even admitted it wasn't genuine and I read it correctly, dumb ass.

Smiling after it is just me being nice.

As for wasting time... you are not the one that gets to decide what is a waste. You are just one person on the board. Messages are read by others. If you choose to ignore an argument, you have conceded the argument in the minds of others. Ignoring an argument is not the same as overcoming it.

I appreciate your concern over how others on the board view me.

However, intelligent people who read your replies will notice the shot at the end and not really expect a serious answer to the rest.

So seriously, is it that difficult for you to just write a serious post without taking snarky shots at the end? And I'm even saying you can follow it with a snarky shot, just not in the same post. What do you find so difficult about that?

Now you are making stuff up again. I did not say anything in blue was disingenuous. You apparently did not read it correctly.

I did not show concern over how others on the board view you. That was you reading between the lines.

People that read replies will see that my comments were in direct response to yours, and every bit deserved.

Again, if you want to make a post that has 9 comments in it not pissing on people then a 10th comment that does piss on people, don't expect me to ignore the last of your comments in the response to the first 9. Especially not when the 10th comment is in the context of the first 9. IOW follow your own rule, and maybe I'll respond in a fashion that is more ... "productive."

I'm not sure who you quoted when you quoted "productive," but I agree with following my own rule and it's fair to point out if I didn't, but where didn't I?

 

[RKMBrown]

Now see, you didn't waste your time writing serious content when you just wanted to be an ass. Was that so hard?

Why do you insist on changing the definition of terms to mean the opposite of what they mean. Smiling and being nice is not being an ass

You even admitted it wasn't genuine and I read it correctly, dumb ass.

Smiling after it is just me being nice.

As for wasting time... you are not the one that gets to decide what is a waste. You are just one person on the board. Messages are read by others. If you choose to ignore an argument, you have conceded the argument in the minds of others. Ignoring an argument is not the same as overcoming it.

I appreciate your concern over how others on the board view me.

However, intelligent people who read your replies will notice the shot at the end and not really expect a serious answer to the rest.

So seriously, is it that difficult for you to just write a serious post without taking snarky shots at the end? And I'm even saying you can follow it with a snarky shot, just not in the same post. What do you find so difficult about that?

Now you are making stuff up again. I did not say anything in blue was disingenuous. You apparently did not read it correctly.

I did not show concern over how others on the board view you. That was you reading between the lines.

People that read replies will see that my comments were in direct response to yours, and every bit deserved.

Again, if you want to make a post that has 9 comments in it not pissing on people then a 10th comment that does piss on people, don't expect me to ignore the last of your comments in the response to the first 9. Especially not when the 10th comment is in the context of the first 9. IOW follow your own rule, and maybe I'll respond in a fashion that is more ... "productive."

I'm not sure who you quoted when you quoted "productive," but I agree with following my own rule and it's fair to point out if I didn't, but where didn't I?

I was quoting your provided reason for the proposed rules of engagement, the reason being more productive discussions than merely sniping at each other.

where did you? As stated, I was merely pointing out, again, that I reply to what's in the post that I quote... I'm not one to hold a grudge, well not very often. If you'd like to hold a reasoned discussion on the topic i'm up for it.

I for one, do not like taxing income. Nor do I like tax breaks for life choices deemed by the majority to be better than the life choices of others. I don't for example, believe I should get a tax break for having a child. Nor do I think I should get a tax break for taking out a home loan. Nor do I think I should get a tax break for buying health insurance. Nor do I think I should have a different tax bracket because I'm married. Nor do I think any of these things have to do with someone being gay.

One of the deductions that really peeves me is state tax deductions... people living in states with higher taxes get to spend more of their tax money in their state vs having it "spread" around by the feds. It encourages the states to raise taxes higher and they can just tell their citizens hey don't worry you'll get a federal tax break for that.

 

[kaz]

^^^^ Real or Poe's law? ^^^^

I have that question for liberals all the time. Randomly one of you will come back with that I have no sense of humor a took a joke seriously. I ask them that question, how would I possibly know you were joking when you say that all the time for real?

 

[kaz]

Now see, you didn't waste your time writing serious content when you just wanted to be an ass. Was that so hard?

Why do you insist on changing the definition of terms to mean the opposite of what they mean. Smiling and being nice is not being an ass

You even admitted it wasn't genuine and I read it correctly, dumb ass.

Smiling after it is just me being nice.

As for wasting time... you are not the one that gets to decide what is a waste. You are just one person on the board. Messages are read by others. If you choose to ignore an argument, you have conceded the argument in the minds of others. Ignoring an argument is not the same as overcoming it.

I appreciate your concern over how others on the board view me.

However, intelligent people who read your replies will notice the shot at the end and not really expect a serious answer to the rest.

So seriously, is it that difficult for you to just write a serious post without taking snarky shots at the end? And I'm even saying you can follow it with a snarky shot, just not in the same post. What do you find so difficult about that?

Now you are making stuff up again. I did not say anything in blue was disingenuous. You apparently did not read it correctly.

I did not show concern over how others on the board view you. That was you reading between the lines.

People that read replies will see that my comments were in direct response to yours, and every bit deserved.

Again, if you want to make a post that has 9 comments in it not pissing on people then a 10th comment that does piss on people, don't expect me to ignore the last of your comments in the response to the first 9. Especially not when the 10th comment is in the context of the first 9. IOW follow your own rule, and maybe I'll respond in a fashion that is more ... "productive."

I'm not sure who you quoted when you quoted "productive," but I agree with following my own rule and it's fair to point out if I didn't, but where didn't I?

I was quoting your provided reason for the proposed rules of engagement, the reason being more productive discussions than merely sniping at each other.

where did you? As stated, I was merely pointing out, again, that I reply to what's in the post that I quote... I'm not one to hold a grudge, well not very often. If you'd like to hold a reasoned discussion on the topic i'm up for it.

I for one, do not like taxing income. Nor do I like tax breaks for life choices deemed by the majority to be better than the life choices of others. I don't for example, believe I should get a tax break for having a child. Nor do I think I should get a tax break for taking out a home loan. Nor do I think I should get a tax break for buying health insurance. Nor do I think I should have a different tax bracket because I'm married. Nor do I think any of these things have to do with someone being gay.

One of the deductions that really peeves me is state tax deductions... people living in states with higher taxes get to spend more of their tax money in their state vs having it "spread" around by the feds. It encourages the states to raise taxes higher and they can just tell their citizens hey don't worry you'll get a federal tax break for that.

I agree on the State Tax deductions, but think about everything that way. The housing deduction massively warps the housing market. It changes the relative value of houses to other commodities. Why is that good for society for government to change the inherent price value of one thing versus another? There are no deductions that don't warp markets.

As for income, yes, it is a terrible basis for our tax system. Maybe less so in the day when labor was high in most products and virtually everything created domestically, but labor taxes now drive businesses offshore, they warp markets.

There is no perfect tax, but every tax other than the death tax is paid from business transactions, sales. So the best tax is a flat tax on sales, once

 

[RKMBrown]

Why do you insist on changing the definition of terms to mean the opposite of what they mean. Smiling and being nice is not being an ass

You even admitted it wasn't genuine and I read it correctly, dumb ass.

Smiling after it is just me being nice.

As for wasting time... you are not the one that gets to decide what is a waste. You are just one person on the board. Messages are read by others. If you choose to ignore an argument, you have conceded the argument in the minds of others. Ignoring an argument is not the same as overcoming it.

I appreciate your concern over how others on the board view me.

However, intelligent people who read your replies will notice the shot at the end and not really expect a serious answer to the rest.

So seriously, is it that difficult for you to just write a serious post without taking snarky shots at the end? And I'm even saying you can follow it with a snarky shot, just not in the same post. What do you find so difficult about that?

Now you are making stuff up again. I did not say anything in blue was disingenuous. You apparently did not read it correctly.

I did not show concern over how others on the board view you. That was you reading between the lines.

People that read replies will see that my comments were in direct response to yours, and every bit deserved.

Again, if you want to make a post that has 9 comments in it not pissing on people then a 10th comment that does piss on people, don't expect me to ignore the last of your comments in the response to the first 9. Especially not when the 10th comment is in the context of the first 9. IOW follow your own rule, and maybe I'll respond in a fashion that is more ... "productive."

I'm not sure who you quoted when you quoted "productive," but I agree with following my own rule and it's fair to point out if I didn't, but where didn't I?

I was quoting your provided reason for the proposed rules of engagement, the reason being more productive discussions than merely sniping at each other.

where did you? As stated, I was merely pointing out, again, that I reply to what's in the post that I quote... I'm not one to hold a grudge, well not very often. If you'd like to hold a reasoned discussion on the topic i'm up for it.

I for one, do not like taxing income. Nor do I like tax breaks for life choices deemed by the majority to be better than the life choices of others. I don't for example, believe I should get a tax break for having a child. Nor do I think I should get a tax break for taking out a home loan. Nor do I think I should get a tax break for buying health insurance. Nor do I think I should have a different tax bracket because I'm married. Nor do I think any of these things have to do with someone being gay.

One of the deductions that really peeves me is state tax deductions... people living in states with higher taxes get to spend more of their tax money in their state vs having it "spread" around by the feds. It encourages the states to raise taxes higher and they can just tell their citizens hey don't worry you'll get a federal tax break for that.

I agree on the State Tax deductions, but think about everything that way. The housing deduction massively warps the housing market. It changes the relative value of houses to other commodities. Why is that good for society for government to change the inherent price value of one thing versus another? There are no deductions that don't warp markets.

As for income, yes, it is a terrible basis for our tax system. Maybe less so in the day when labor was high in most products and virtually everything created domestically, but labor taxes now drive businesses offshore, they warp markets.

There is no perfect tax, but every tax other than the death tax is paid from business transactions, sales. So the best tax is a flat tax on sales, once

Flat tax on sales... is something I support. I'm also good with how sales taxes are done in TX and FL... where we do not tax food products or medicine. The point being that you should not be taxed for the things you have to buy to live.

But when you are talking about property that requires ongoing services such as police, fire, etc... a flat annual property tax makes more sense for that. I'm also good with a homeowner's deduction, because you should not be taxed for having the minimal amount of shelter required to live.

IOW tax the excess stuff... with flat taxes. flat sales for excess sales... and flat property for excess property.

 

[kaz]

You even admitted it wasn't genuine and I read it correctly, dumb ass.

I appreciate your concern over how others on the board view me.

However, intelligent people who read your replies will notice the shot at the end and not really expect a serious answer to the rest.

So seriously, is it that difficult for you to just write a serious post without taking snarky shots at the end? And I'm even saying you can follow it with a snarky shot, just not in the same post. What do you find so difficult about that?

Now you are making stuff up again. I did not say anything in blue was disingenuous. You apparently did not read it correctly.

I did not show concern over how others on the board view you. That was you reading between the lines.

People that read replies will see that my comments were in direct response to yours, and every bit deserved.

Again, if you want to make a post that has 9 comments in it not pissing on people then a 10th comment that does piss on people, don't expect me to ignore the last of your comments in the response to the first 9. Especially not when the 10th comment is in the context of the first 9. IOW follow your own rule, and maybe I'll respond in a fashion that is more ... "productive."

I'm not sure who you quoted when you quoted "productive," but I agree with following my own rule and it's fair to point out if I didn't, but where didn't I?

I was quoting your provided reason for the proposed rules of engagement, the reason being more productive discussions than merely sniping at each other.

where did you? As stated, I was merely pointing out, again, that I reply to what's in the post that I quote... I'm not one to hold a grudge, well not very often. If you'd like to hold a reasoned discussion on the topic i'm up for it.

I for one, do not like taxing income. Nor do I like tax breaks for life choices deemed by the majority to be better than the life choices of others. I don't for example, believe I should get a tax break for having a child. Nor do I think I should get a tax break for taking out a home loan. Nor do I think I should get a tax break for buying health insurance. Nor do I think I should have a different tax bracket because I'm married. Nor do I think any of these things have to do with someone being gay.

One of the deductions that really peeves me is state tax deductions... people living in states with higher taxes get to spend more of their tax money in their state vs having it "spread" around by the feds. It encourages the states to raise taxes higher and they can just tell their citizens hey don't worry you'll get a federal tax break for that.

I agree on the State Tax deductions, but think about everything that way. The housing deduction massively warps the housing market. It changes the relative value of houses to other commodities. Why is that good for society for government to change the inherent price value of one thing versus another? There are no deductions that don't warp markets.

As for income, yes, it is a terrible basis for our tax system. Maybe less so in the day when labor was high in most products and virtually everything created domestically, but labor taxes now drive businesses offshore, they warp markets.

There is no perfect tax, but every tax other than the death tax is paid from business transactions, sales. So the best tax is a flat tax on sales, once

Flat tax on sales... is something I support. But when you are talking about property that requires ongoing services such as police, fire, etc... a flat annual property tax makes more sense for that.

So who buys things that don't need those things? Why not keep taxes simple?

 

[RKMBrown]

Now you are making stuff up again. I did not say anything in blue was disingenuous. You apparently did not read it correctly.

I did not show concern over how others on the board view you. That was you reading between the lines.

People that read replies will see that my comments were in direct response to yours, and every bit deserved.

Again, if you want to make a post that has 9 comments in it not pissing on people then a 10th comment that does piss on people, don't expect me to ignore the last of your comments in the response to the first 9. Especially not when the 10th comment is in the context of the first 9. IOW follow your own rule, and maybe I'll respond in a fashion that is more ... "productive."

I'm not sure who you quoted when you quoted "productive," but I agree with following my own rule and it's fair to point out if I didn't, but where didn't I?

I was quoting your provided reason for the proposed rules of engagement, the reason being more productive discussions than merely sniping at each other.

where did you? As stated, I was merely pointing out, again, that I reply to what's in the post that I quote... I'm not one to hold a grudge, well not very often. If you'd like to hold a reasoned discussion on the topic i'm up for it.

I for one, do not like taxing income. Nor do I like tax breaks for life choices deemed by the majority to be better than the life choices of others. I don't for example, believe I should get a tax break for having a child. Nor do I think I should get a tax break for taking out a home loan. Nor do I think I should get a tax break for buying health insurance. Nor do I think I should have a different tax bracket because I'm married. Nor do I think any of these things have to do with someone being gay.

One of the deductions that really peeves me is state tax deductions... people living in states with higher taxes get to spend more of their tax money in their state vs having it "spread" around by the feds. It encourages the states to raise taxes higher and they can just tell their citizens hey don't worry you'll get a federal tax break for that.

I agree on the State Tax deductions, but think about everything that way. The housing deduction massively warps the housing market. It changes the relative value of houses to other commodities. Why is that good for society for government to change the inherent price value of one thing versus another? There are no deductions that don't warp markets.

As for income, yes, it is a terrible basis for our tax system. Maybe less so in the day when labor was high in most products and virtually everything created domestically, but labor taxes now drive businesses offshore, they warp markets.

There is no perfect tax, but every tax other than the death tax is paid from business transactions, sales. So the best tax is a flat tax on sales, once

Flat tax on sales... is something I support. But when you are talking about property that requires ongoing services such as police, fire, etc... a flat annual property tax makes more sense for that.

So who buys things that don't need those things? Why not keep taxes simple?

It is simple. We don't tax for a bag of beans or a gallon of milk. That's just the way it is done. No one pays tax for that gallon of milk. NO ONE. Thus it's still a flat tax. The point is that some things should not be taxed. For example, a cancer drug. It's just not right to charge a government tax on the cost of life. Oh we're sorry you can't live because you don't have enough money to buy this drug and pay the tax.

Which btw is one of the reasons I'm against these hidden obama taxes that make it more expensive to buy health care products. REALLY? We are gonna tax products you need to live? You can't live if you can't pay your taxes?

 

[kaz]

I'm not sure who you quoted when you quoted "productive," but I agree with following my own rule and it's fair to point out if I didn't, but where didn't I?

I was quoting your provided reason for the proposed rules of engagement, the reason being more productive discussions than merely sniping at each other.

where did you? As stated, I was merely pointing out, again, that I reply to what's in the post that I quote... I'm not one to hold a grudge, well not very often. If you'd like to hold a reasoned discussion on the topic i'm up for it.

I for one, do not like taxing income. Nor do I like tax breaks for life choices deemed by the majority to be better than the life choices of others. I don't for example, believe I should get a tax break for having a child. Nor do I think I should get a tax break for taking out a home loan. Nor do I think I should get a tax break for buying health insurance. Nor do I think I should have a different tax bracket because I'm married. Nor do I think any of these things have to do with someone being gay.

One of the deductions that really peeves me is state tax deductions... people living in states with higher taxes get to spend more of their tax money in their state vs having it "spread" around by the feds. It encourages the states to raise taxes higher and they can just tell their citizens hey don't worry you'll get a federal tax break for that.

I agree on the State Tax deductions, but think about everything that way. The housing deduction massively warps the housing market. It changes the relative value of houses to other commodities. Why is that good for society for government to change the inherent price value of one thing versus another? There are no deductions that don't warp markets.

As for income, yes, it is a terrible basis for our tax system. Maybe less so in the day when labor was high in most products and virtually everything created domestically, but labor taxes now drive businesses offshore, they warp markets.

There is no perfect tax, but every tax other than the death tax is paid from business transactions, sales. So the best tax is a flat tax on sales, once

Flat tax on sales... is something I support. But when you are talking about property that requires ongoing services such as police, fire, etc... a flat annual property tax makes more sense for that.

So who buys things that don't need those things? Why not keep taxes simple?

It is simple. We don't tax for a bag of beans or a gallon of milk. That's just the way it is done. No one pays tax for that gallon of milk. NO ONE. Thus it's still a flat tax. The point is that some things should not be taxed. For example, a cancer drug. It's just not right to charge a government tax on the cost of life. Oh we're sorry you can't live because you don't have enough money to buy this drug and pay the tax.

Which btw is one of the reasons I'm against these hidden obama taxes that make it more expensive to buy health care products. REALLY? We are gonna tax products you need to live? You can't live if you can't pay your taxes?

I don't think you connected with my question, either that or I didn't connect with your answer. When you say flat property tax, I assume you mean only property owners pay it. Unless I misunderstand that, who doesn't need police or fire? Why should only property owners pay for it?

Also, when you say groceries are not taxed, that's not actually true. It is true milk buyers are not paying sales tax, but they are paying all other taxes, they are baked into the price of the milk. Nothing should be exempt from the flat sales tax, it warps prices again, which was the whole point of getting away from our absurd tax code

 

[RKMBrown]

I was quoting your provided reason for the proposed rules of engagement, the reason being more productive discussions than merely sniping at each other.

where did you? As stated, I was merely pointing out, again, that I reply to what's in the post that I quote... I'm not one to hold a grudge, well not very often. If you'd like to hold a reasoned discussion on the topic i'm up for it.

I for one, do not like taxing income. Nor do I like tax breaks for life choices deemed by the majority to be better than the life choices of others. I don't for example, believe I should get a tax break for having a child. Nor do I think I should get a tax break for taking out a home loan. Nor do I think I should get a tax break for buying health insurance. Nor do I think I should have a different tax bracket because I'm married. Nor do I think any of these things have to do with someone being gay.

One of the deductions that really peeves me is state tax deductions... people living in states with higher taxes get to spend more of their tax money in their state vs having it "spread" around by the feds. It encourages the states to raise taxes higher and they can just tell their citizens hey don't worry you'll get a federal tax break for that.

I agree on the State Tax deductions, but think about everything that way. The housing deduction massively warps the housing market. It changes the relative value of houses to other commodities. Why is that good for society for government to change the inherent price value of one thing versus another? There are no deductions that don't warp markets.

As for income, yes, it is a terrible basis for our tax system. Maybe less so in the day when labor was high in most products and virtually everything created domestically, but labor taxes now drive businesses offshore, they warp markets.

There is no perfect tax, but every tax other than the death tax is paid from business transactions, sales. So the best tax is a flat tax on sales, once

Flat tax on sales... is something I support. But when you are talking about property that requires ongoing services such as police, fire, etc... a flat annual property tax makes more sense for that.

So who buys things that don't need those things? Why not keep taxes simple?

It is simple. We don't tax for a bag of beans or a gallon of milk. That's just the way it is done. No one pays tax for that gallon of milk. NO ONE. Thus it's still a flat tax. The point is that some things should not be taxed. For example, a cancer drug. It's just not right to charge a government tax on the cost of life. Oh we're sorry you can't live because you don't have enough money to buy this drug and pay the tax.

Which btw is one of the reasons I'm against these hidden obama taxes that make it more expensive to buy health care products. REALLY? We are gonna tax products you need to live? You can't live if you can't pay your taxes?

I don't think you connected with my question, either that or I didn't connect with your answer. When you say flat property tax, I assume you mean only property owners pay it. Unless I misunderstand that, who doesn't need police or fire? Why should only property owners pay for it?

Also, when you say groceries are not taxed, that's not actually true. It is true milk buyers are not paying sales tax, but they are paying all other taxes, they are baked into the price of the milk. Nothing should be exempt from the flat sales tax, it warps prices again, which was the whole point of getting away from our absurd tax code

Property owners pay it, but when they have renters, they get the money to pay their property taxes from their renters... so renters in essence also pay property taxes... to cover police and fire just not directly.

By your own provided evidence there can be no flat tax because some products require the use of other products that have already been taxed. Thus products that include these "inherited" costs would also have price "warping." IOW there is no perfectly flat tax no matter how you do it. However... the system we use in most states that do sales and property tax and no income tax at all, while exempting very basic necessities has been FANTASTIC. I'm telling you, it is the best system.

 

[kaz]

I agree on the State Tax deductions, but think about everything that way. The housing deduction massively warps the housing market. It changes the relative value of houses to other commodities. Why is that good for society for government to change the inherent price value of one thing versus another? There are no deductions that don't warp markets.

As for income, yes, it is a terrible basis for our tax system. Maybe less so in the day when labor was high in most products and virtually everything created domestically, but labor taxes now drive businesses offshore, they warp markets.

There is no perfect tax, but every tax other than the death tax is paid from business transactions, sales. So the best tax is a flat tax on sales, once

Flat tax on sales... is something I support. But when you are talking about property that requires ongoing services such as police, fire, etc... a flat annual property tax makes more sense for that.

So who buys things that don't need those things? Why not keep taxes simple?

It is simple. We don't tax for a bag of beans or a gallon of milk. That's just the way it is done. No one pays tax for that gallon of milk. NO ONE. Thus it's still a flat tax. The point is that some things should not be taxed. For example, a cancer drug. It's just not right to charge a government tax on the cost of life. Oh we're sorry you can't live because you don't have enough money to buy this drug and pay the tax.

Which btw is one of the reasons I'm against these hidden obama taxes that make it more expensive to buy health care products. REALLY? We are gonna tax products you need to live? You can't live if you can't pay your taxes?

I don't think you connected with my question, either that or I didn't connect with your answer. When you say flat property tax, I assume you mean only property owners pay it. Unless I misunderstand that, who doesn't need police or fire? Why should only property owners pay for it?

Also, when you say groceries are not taxed, that's not actually true. It is true milk buyers are not paying sales tax, but they are paying all other taxes, they are baked into the price of the milk. Nothing should be exempt from the flat sales tax, it warps prices again, which was the whole point of getting away from our absurd tax code

Property owners pay it, but when they have renters, they get the money to pay their property taxes from their renters... so renters in essence also pay property taxes... to cover police and fire just not directly.

Bam, exactly! So of all the taxes, why do you pick this one and say let's keep another tax? The whole point of the sales tax was to keep it flat and efficient? Why arbitrarily pick this one and saw let's keep it?

By your own provided evidence there can be no flat tax because some products require the use of other products that have already been taxed. Thus products that include these "inherited" costs would also have price "warping." IOW there is no perfectly flat tax no matter how you do it. However... the system we use in most states that do sales and property tax and no income tax at all, while exempting very basic necessities has been FANTASTIC. I'm telling you, it is the best system.

No, you tax the primary sales market only, so there aren't embedded taxes for the components of their products just like my business doesn't have to pay sales taxes on the components of our products now. There would be some, like when we buy office supplies and that sort of thing. Remember though I didn't say the sale tax was perfect, only that it's the best option

 

[Faun]

When you said "the right to pursue" what exactly did you mean?

Where does the right to pursue happiness come from. I don't mean the words; the right. Where do you think it comes from?

Um...where does the right to pursue happiness come from? I was guessing that was what you meant, but I was dumbfounded you'd ask that again as I keep pointing out to you that it's in the Declaration of Independence, not the Constitution. What are you trying to get at? I'm confused, can you be a bit clearer?

Declaration of Independence, "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

Constitution: "No person shall be ... deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law"

The Declaration of Independence is a document that tells King George to go screw himself, it's not a foundation for our legal system. We're just telling him he's infringing on our right to pursue happiness.

The Constitution is a legal document, it creates the basis for our laws. So how they protect the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness is by saying government cannot remove life, liberty or property without due process of law, meaning they have to with your rights protected prove you committed a crime.

When you ask if we have the right to pursue happiness then, it depends on the context. You asked without context, which is why I didn't answer the question. As human beings, do we have the right to pursue happiness? Yes. Is it endowed by our creator? Yes. Even Hitler and Stalin had to justify what they did with lies. People may be manipulable, but even bad ones grasp it at some level in their makeup.

So is using supposedly protecting the right to pursue happiness a power of the courts? No, it's not directly. It's quantified as the government can only with due process remove the right to life, liberty and property, that is how the Constitution protects the right to pursue happiness.

I've said this at least a dozen times. This is my full attempt to explain it. If you still don't get it from here, I can't help you

Are you under the impression that the government does not have to protect our rights if they are not specifically mentioned in the Constitution?

Do you think the government can deny us our rights which are not directly mentioned in the Constitution?

Wow, you fundamentally don't understand the Constitution. The Constitution does not say that we have the rights granted to us in the Constitution, it's the complete reverse. The Constitution says that government only has the powers granted to it. You may want to read up on that

Not surprisingly, you're clueless about this too. The Constitution actually mentions several rights of the people, including, but not limited to, freedom of speech, right to peaceably assemble, right to keep and bear arms, etc....

Are you even American? You have no clue what it means to be an American. How could you not know the Constitution not only lists a bunch of rights, it prevents the government from denying those rights; and by extension, all rights.

Who do you think secures your rights if not the government?

<crickets>

And kaz goes down for the count

 

[RKMBrown]

Flat tax on sales... is something I support. But when you are talking about property that requires ongoing services such as police, fire, etc... a flat annual property tax makes more sense for that.

So who buys things that don't need those things? Why not keep taxes simple?

It is simple. We don't tax for a bag of beans or a gallon of milk. That's just the way it is done. No one pays tax for that gallon of milk. NO ONE. Thus it's still a flat tax. The point is that some things should not be taxed. For example, a cancer drug. It's just not right to charge a government tax on the cost of life. Oh we're sorry you can't live because you don't have enough money to buy this drug and pay the tax.

Which btw is one of the reasons I'm against these hidden obama taxes that make it more expensive to buy health care products. REALLY? We are gonna tax products you need to live? You can't live if you can't pay your taxes?

I don't think you connected with my question, either that or I didn't connect with your answer. When you say flat property tax, I assume you mean only property owners pay it. Unless I misunderstand that, who doesn't need police or fire? Why should only property owners pay for it?

Also, when you say groceries are not taxed, that's not actually true. It is true milk buyers are not paying sales tax, but they are paying all other taxes, they are baked into the price of the milk. Nothing should be exempt from the flat sales tax, it warps prices again, which was the whole point of getting away from our absurd tax code

Property owners pay it, but when they have renters, they get the money to pay their property taxes from their renters... so renters in essence also pay property taxes... to cover police and fire just not directly.

Bam, exactly! So of all the taxes, why do you pick this one and say let's keep another tax? The whole point of the sales tax was to keep it flat and efficient? Why arbitrarily pick this one and saw let's keep it?

By your own provided evidence there can be no flat tax because some products require the use of other products that have already been taxed. Thus products that include these "inherited" costs would also have price "warping." IOW there is no perfectly flat tax no matter how you do it. However... the system we use in most states that do sales and property tax and no income tax at all, while exempting very basic necessities has been FANTASTIC. I'm telling you, it is the best system.

No, you tax the primary sales market only, so there aren't embedded taxes for the components of their products just like my business doesn't have to pay sales taxes on the components of our products now. There would be some, like when we buy office supplies and that sort of thing. Remember though I didn't say the sale tax was perfect, only that it's the best option

Land is not a thing that you can tax just once and be done with it... land lasts forever... the taxes have to be done over time for it.

 

[kaz]

So who buys things that don't need those things? Why not keep taxes simple?

It is simple. We don't tax for a bag of beans or a gallon of milk. That's just the way it is done. No one pays tax for that gallon of milk. NO ONE. Thus it's still a flat tax. The point is that some things should not be taxed. For example, a cancer drug. It's just not right to charge a government tax on the cost of life. Oh we're sorry you can't live because you don't have enough money to buy this drug and pay the tax.

Which btw is one of the reasons I'm against these hidden obama taxes that make it more expensive to buy health care products. REALLY? We are gonna tax products you need to live? You can't live if you can't pay your taxes?

I don't think you connected with my question, either that or I didn't connect with your answer. When you say flat property tax, I assume you mean only property owners pay it. Unless I misunderstand that, who doesn't need police or fire? Why should only property owners pay for it?

Also, when you say groceries are not taxed, that's not actually true. It is true milk buyers are not paying sales tax, but they are paying all other taxes, they are baked into the price of the milk. Nothing should be exempt from the flat sales tax, it warps prices again, which was the whole point of getting away from our absurd tax code

Property owners pay it, but when they have renters, they get the money to pay their property taxes from their renters... so renters in essence also pay property taxes... to cover police and fire just not directly.

Bam, exactly! So of all the taxes, why do you pick this one and say let's keep another tax? The whole point of the sales tax was to keep it flat and efficient? Why arbitrarily pick this one and saw let's keep it?

By your own provided evidence there can be no flat tax because some products require the use of other products that have already been taxed. Thus products that include these "inherited" costs would also have price "warping." IOW there is no perfectly flat tax no matter how you do it. However... the system we use in most states that do sales and property tax and no income tax at all, while exempting very basic necessities has been FANTASTIC. I'm telling you, it is the best system.

No, you tax the primary sales market only, so there aren't embedded taxes for the components of their products just like my business doesn't have to pay sales taxes on the components of our products now. There would be some, like when we buy office supplies and that sort of thing. Remember though I didn't say the sale tax was perfect, only that it's the best option

Land is not a thing that you can tax just once and be done with it... land lasts forever... the taxes have to be done over time for it.

What do you mean? You keep paying the sales tax, it's not a one time deal.

I still don't get why you just pull out property tax. How what is different between that and every other tax rolled into a national sales tax?

 

[kaz]

Um...where does the right to pursue happiness come from? I was guessing that was what you meant, but I was dumbfounded you'd ask that again as I keep pointing out to you that it's in the Declaration of Independence, not the Constitution. What are you trying to get at? I'm confused, can you be a bit clearer?

Declaration of Independence, "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

Constitution: "No person shall be ... deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law"

The Declaration of Independence is a document that tells King George to go screw himself, it's not a foundation for our legal system. We're just telling him he's infringing on our right to pursue happiness.

The Constitution is a legal document, it creates the basis for our laws. So how they protect the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness is by saying government cannot remove life, liberty or property without due process of law, meaning they have to with your rights protected prove you committed a crime.

When you ask if we have the right to pursue happiness then, it depends on the context. You asked without context, which is why I didn't answer the question. As human beings, do we have the right to pursue happiness? Yes. Is it endowed by our creator? Yes. Even Hitler and Stalin had to justify what they did with lies. People may be manipulable, but even bad ones grasp it at some level in their makeup.

So is using supposedly protecting the right to pursue happiness a power of the courts? No, it's not directly. It's quantified as the government can only with due process remove the right to life, liberty and property, that is how the Constitution protects the right to pursue happiness.

I've said this at least a dozen times. This is my full attempt to explain it. If you still don't get it from here, I can't help you

Are you under the impression that the government does not have to protect our rights if they are not specifically mentioned in the Constitution?

Do you think the government can deny us our rights which are not directly mentioned in the Constitution?

Wow, you fundamentally don't understand the Constitution. The Constitution does not say that we have the rights granted to us in the Constitution, it's the complete reverse. The Constitution says that government only has the powers granted to it. You may want to read up on that

Not surprisingly, you're clueless about this too. The Constitution actually mentions several rights of the people, including, but not limited to, freedom of speech, right to peaceably assemble, right to keep and bear arms, etc....

Are you even American? You have no clue what it means to be an American. How could you not know the Constitution not only lists a bunch of rights, it prevents the government from denying those rights; and by extension, all rights.

Who do you think secures your rights if not the government?

<crickets>

And kaz goes down for the count

Yet another leftist attempt to establish a circle jerk. LOL, you called bripat and me sucking each other for agreeing on content. Here you just run in and start putting your hand down his pants

 

[RKMBrown]

It is simple. We don't tax for a bag of beans or a gallon of milk. That's just the way it is done. No one pays tax for that gallon of milk. NO ONE. Thus it's still a flat tax. The point is that some things should not be taxed. For example, a cancer drug. It's just not right to charge a government tax on the cost of life. Oh we're sorry you can't live because you don't have enough money to buy this drug and pay the tax.

Which btw is one of the reasons I'm against these hidden obama taxes that make it more expensive to buy health care products. REALLY? We are gonna tax products you need to live? You can't live if you can't pay your taxes?

I don't think you connected with my question, either that or I didn't connect with your answer. When you say flat property tax, I assume you mean only property owners pay it. Unless I misunderstand that, who doesn't need police or fire? Why should only property owners pay for it?

Also, when you say groceries are not taxed, that's not actually true. It is true milk buyers are not paying sales tax, but they are paying all other taxes, they are baked into the price of the milk. Nothing should be exempt from the flat sales tax, it warps prices again, which was the whole point of getting away from our absurd tax code

Property owners pay it, but when they have renters, they get the money to pay their property taxes from their renters... so renters in essence also pay property taxes... to cover police and fire just not directly.

Bam, exactly! So of all the taxes, why do you pick this one and say let's keep another tax? The whole point of the sales tax was to keep it flat and efficient? Why arbitrarily pick this one and saw let's keep it?

By your own provided evidence there can be no flat tax because some products require the use of other products that have already been taxed. Thus products that include these "inherited" costs would also have price "warping." IOW there is no perfectly flat tax no matter how you do it. However... the system we use in most states that do sales and property tax and no income tax at all, while exempting very basic necessities has been FANTASTIC. I'm telling you, it is the best system.

No, you tax the primary sales market only, so there aren't embedded taxes for the components of their products just like my business doesn't have to pay sales taxes on the components of our products now. There would be some, like when we buy office supplies and that sort of thing. Remember though I didn't say the sale tax was perfect, only that it's the best option

Land is not a thing that you can tax just once and be done with it... land lasts forever... the taxes have to be done over time for it.

What do you mean? You keep paying the sales tax, it's not a one time deal.

I still don't get why you just pull out property tax. How what is different between that and every other tax rolled into a national sales tax?

Real-estate is a different type of property than items you buy over the counter. Land does not have to be bought and sold to change hands. We don't charge sales tax on real-estate purchases. No one does to my knowledge. The reason is... it's nonsensical. The tax that is appropriate for real-estate is property tax... not sales tax. Property tax is a tax over time on property. Property tax is not a sale tax. The contract you sign when you buy the property essentially includes a lien on the home that you will pay the property taxes for the region. These property taxes are what it costs to be a land owner in a region of the country. Sales taxes only apply to over the counter type items that you purchase. You can buy items in another state and bring them to your property... but you can't move your land. Though you may be able to move the home on your land to another piece of property... you cant move the land itself, well not without permission from said government that regulates types of use of the land.

The difference is land requires special types of services that are "on-going." However, land may be only purchased once. Thus the folks that are living perpetually on family land, over time, would be taking advantage of EVEYRONE ELSE who does not also live on said family land. Thus the amount of sales taxes needed would quickly double again and then again then again ... to pick up for the fact that no will be buying new homes any more cause they can't afford to pay sales tax on the home as the sales tax rate spirals out of control.

Property tax in TX is about 2% per year, sales tax is 8%. People live in their home their entire life. Let's say you pay 50 years property tax that's 100% of the sales price / value of the property paid over 50years. To make up for the loss of the tax revenue for 100% of the value of your home that 8% would have to go up significantly. My educated guess is you'd be looking at around an 80% sales tax rate to cover the loss of property taxes over time. Or you'd have to do a retro active sales tax on existing homes of around 50% of the value of all owned property in the state to be placed in a savings account for withdraw by the state over time.