Why teachers need more pay

[Unkotare]

Some of the best and brightest are not becoming teachers because it is a tough life, underpaid, and disrespected.

Those doctors, lawyers, and scientists don't work 14 hour days most of the time, and on weekends at home, get crappy salaries, and have threads bashing them on message boards!

All the teachers I know are making more than the national average as far as how much people make in America. We are all getting sick of hearing teachers talk about how hard they work and how underpaid they are. Name one other profession that complains this much. You can't. I think it has to do with being in unions. They have the power to complain until they get raises. COLLECTIVELY. So of course they are always crying about how underpaid they are and overworked. They have another contract coming up so it helps them negotiate.

Most of us who don't benefit from collective bargaining don't have anyone to complain to. The guy working next to me might be making more than me. Maybe if you guys lost your unions then each of you could negotiate your own wages. If you are good, they'll pay it. If not, get another job. Isn't that the Republican way? Aren't you a republican?

What do mean makes more than the national average. The average worker in the US has a high school degree and about 1 year of college. There experience level in their field is 4 years. The average worker in the US reports they average 47 hours a week of work.

The average teacher has a post graduate degree, has 14 years experience and works 53 hours a week.
Who is the Average U.S. Teacher? - NEA Today

Give me a break.
I know a few dozen teachers and they never took chemistry, physics or advanced algebra.
My kids went to private schools where the teachers had hard science degrees.

Your deflection is noted. He never said anything of the sort.

Well, your few dozen teachers would be breaking the law in most states. If they did not take advanced algebra, even as an English teacher they would likely fail one of the required tests in Florida. I tutored adults in math so they could pass the exam.

Yoru private school teacher made even less than most public school teachers where I taught. They were all dying to get a chance to teach in public schools if they could pass the certification requirements that their private schools never required.

All you education and teacher bashers show is that your anecdotal evidence is either a lie or you got it wrong!

In NY, math teachers need not be math majors; it’s a a joke.

My main issue is they bitch regardless of their job security, salaries and benefits.
They behave like 2 year olds.

Who is “they “?

 

[Flopper]

The question posed in the title of this thread is why pay teachers more. If you think it's ok that the US is at the 50 percentile in Math, about the 65 percentile in science, and just a bit better in other disciplines compared to the top 71 industrialized nations then there is no pressing reason to pay teachers more. However, if you are like most Americans who want our kids to be among the best in the world, then we need a lot better educators, we need better curriculum for teachers, and better curriculum for students. And we also need to recognized teaching as being just as important as other professions such medicine, law, engineering, and science. Unfortunately recognition in America comes with salary.

 

[RandomPoster]

Here's The Nation's Easiest College Major

"Research over the years has indicated that education majors, who enter college with the lowest average SAT scores, leave with the highest grades. Some of academic evidence documenting easy A's for future teachers goes back more than 50 years!"

Educational Ineptitude II

"The situation is not pretty. Philadelphia schools are typical of poor quality big-city schools. Susan Snyder, Philadelphia Inquirer staff writer, in her article, "District to help teachers pass test" (3/24/04), reported "that half of the district's 690 middle school teachers who took exams in math, English, social studies and science in September and November failed." Other test results haven't been released; Pennsylvania Governor Ed Rendell said he understands "concerns that releasing the data could subject teachers to humiliation. . .." The unflattering fact that we must own up to is that many, perhaps most, of those who choose teaching as a profession represent the very bottom of the academic barrel. Let's look at it.

The National Center for Education Statistics (NCES) compiles loads of statistics on education. The NCES "Digest of Education Statistics" Table 136 shows SAT average score by student characteristics for 2001. Students who select education as their major have the lowest SAT scores of any other major (964). Math majors have the highest (1174). It's the same story when education majors finish college and take tests for admission to graduate schools. In the case of the Graduate Record Examination (GRE), education majors have an average score that's the second lowest (467) of any other major except sociology majors (434). Putting this in perspective, math majors score the highest (720) followed closely by economics in third place (625). It's roughly the same story for students taking the LSAT for admission to law schools where the possible scores range between 120 and 180. Out of 29 majors, education majors ranked 26th averaging a score of 148. Physics/math majors came in first with a 158 score and economics majors third with 155. Readers can readily obtain this information by a "Google" search using the words "GRE major" and "LSAT major".

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Here's The Nation's Easiest College Major

"Research over the years has indicated that education majors, who enter college with the lowest average SAT scores, leave with the highest grades. Some of academic evidence documenting easy A's for future teachers goes back more than 50 years!"

Educational Ineptitude II

"The situation is not pretty. Philadelphia schools are typical of poor quality big-city schools. Susan Snyder, Philadelphia Inquirer staff writer, in her article, "District to help teachers pass test" (3/24/04), reported "that half of the district's 690 middle school teachers who took exams in math, English, social studies and science in September and November failed." Other test results haven't been released; Pennsylvania Governor Ed Rendell said he understands "concerns that releasing the data could subject teachers to humiliation. . .." The unflattering fact that we must own up to is that many, perhaps most, of those who choose teaching as a profession represent the very bottom of the academic barrel. Let's look at it.

The National Center for Education Statistics (NCES) compiles loads of statistics on education. The NCES "Digest of Education Statistics" Table 136 shows SAT average score by student characteristics for 2001. Students who select education as their major have the lowest SAT scores of any other major (964). Math majors have the highest (1174). It's the same story when education majors finish college and take tests for admission to graduate schools. In the case of the Graduate Record Examination (GRE), education majors have an average score that's the second lowest (467) of any other major except sociology majors (434). Putting this in perspective, math majors score the highest (720) followed closely by economics in third place (625). It's roughly the same story for students taking the LSAT for admission to law schools where the possible scores range between 120 and 180. Out of 29 majors, education majors ranked 26th averaging a score of 148. Physics/math majors came in first with a 158 score and economics majors third with 155. Readers can readily obtain this information by a "Google" search using the words "GRE major" and "LSAT major".

This article just shows the ignorant education bashers out there.

The English teachers and social studies teachers did poorly in math and science tests,

The math and science teachers did poorly in English and social studies tests.

I was certified to teach both math and social studies.

The GRE tests exceptionally high levels of mathematics so those who are not math or science majors will always do poorly. I blew it away because of my math background.

Why in the world would a teacher EVER take the LSAT? How many teachers do you think could afford to go to law school on a teacher's salary? That is just stupid! It is like rating the performance of plumbers on the MCAT!

The reason the less than exceptional college students wind up in teaching is the lousy pay! Other than social workers, education is the lowest paid profession requiring a college degree in America.

You unwittingly just proved why teachers need higher pay.

 

[RandomPoster]

Here's The Nation's Easiest College Major

"Research over the years has indicated that education majors, who enter college with the lowest average SAT scores, leave with the highest grades. Some of academic evidence documenting easy A's for future teachers goes back more than 50 years!"

Educational Ineptitude II

"The situation is not pretty. Philadelphia schools are typical of poor quality big-city schools. Susan Snyder, Philadelphia Inquirer staff writer, in her article, "District to help teachers pass test" (3/24/04), reported "that half of the district's 690 middle school teachers who took exams in math, English, social studies and science in September and November failed." Other test results haven't been released; Pennsylvania Governor Ed Rendell said he understands "concerns that releasing the data could subject teachers to humiliation. . .." The unflattering fact that we must own up to is that many, perhaps most, of those who choose teaching as a profession represent the very bottom of the academic barrel. Let's look at it.

The National Center for Education Statistics (NCES) compiles loads of statistics on education.

Here's The Nation's Easiest College Major

"Research over the years has indicated that education majors, who enter college with the lowest average SAT scores, leave with the highest grades. Some of academic evidence documenting easy A's for future teachers goes back more than 50 years!"

Educational Ineptitude II

"The situation is not pretty. Philadelphia schools are typical of poor quality big-city schools. Susan Snyder, Philadelphia Inquirer staff writer, in her article, "District to help teachers pass test" (3/24/04), reported "that half of the district's 690 middle school teachers who took exams in math, English, social studies and science in September and November failed." Other test results haven't been released; Pennsylvania Governor Ed Rendell said he understands "concerns that releasing the data could subject teachers to humiliation. . .." The unflattering fact that we must own up to is that many, perhaps most, of those who choose teaching as a profession represent the very bottom of the academic barrel. Let's look at it.

The National Center for Education Statistics (NCES) compiles loads of statistics on education. The NCES "Digest of Education Statistics" Table 136 shows SAT average score by student characteristics for 2001. Students who select education as their major have the lowest SAT scores of any other major (964). Math majors have the highest (1174). It's the same story when education majors finish college and take tests for admission to graduate schools. In the case of the Graduate Record Examination (GRE), education majors have an average score that's the second lowest (467) of any other major except sociology majors (434). Putting this in perspective, math majors score the highest (720) followed closely by economics in third place (625). It's roughly the same story for students taking the LSAT for admission to law schools where the possible scores range between 120 and 180. Out of 29 majors, education majors ranked 26th averaging a score of 148. Physics/math majors came in first with a 158 score and economics majors third with 155. Readers can readily obtain this information by a "Google" search using the words "GRE major" and "LSAT major".

This article just shows the ignorant education bashers out there.

The English teachers and social studies teachers did poorly in math and science tests,

The math and science teachers did poorly in English and social studies tests.

I was certified to teach both math and social studies.

The GRE tests exceptionally high levels of mathematics so those who are not math or science majors will always do poorly. I blew it away because of my math background.

Why in the world would a teacher EVER take the LSAT? How many teachers do you think could afford to go to law school on a teacher's salary? That is just stupid! It is like rating the performance of plumbers on the MCAT!

The reason the less than exceptional college students wind up in teaching is the lousy pay! Other than social workers, education is the lowest paid profession requiring a college degree in America.

You unwittingly just proved why teachers need higher pay.

"The NCES "Digest of Education Statistics" Table 136 shows SAT average score by student characteristics for 2001. Students who select education as their major have the lowest SAT scores of any other major (964)."

"Research over the years has indicated that education majors, who enter college with the lowest average SAT scores, leave with the highest grades. Some of academic evidence documenting easy A's for future teachers goes back more than 50 years!"

Why is it that education majors have some of the lowest SAT scores and some of the highest GPAs?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Here's The Nation's Easiest College Major

"Research over the years has indicated that education majors, who enter college with the lowest average SAT scores, leave with the highest grades. Some of academic evidence documenting easy A's for future teachers goes back more than 50 years!"

Educational Ineptitude II

"The situation is not pretty. Philadelphia schools are typical of poor quality big-city schools. Susan Snyder, Philadelphia Inquirer staff writer, in her article, "District to help teachers pass test" (3/24/04), reported "that half of the district's 690 middle school teachers who took exams in math, English, social studies and science in September and November failed." Other test results haven't been released; Pennsylvania Governor Ed Rendell said he understands "concerns that releasing the data could subject teachers to humiliation. . .." The unflattering fact that we must own up to is that many, perhaps most, of those who choose teaching as a profession represent the very bottom of the academic barrel. Let's look at it.

The National Center for Education Statistics (NCES) compiles loads of statistics on education.

Here's The Nation's Easiest College Major

"Research over the years has indicated that education majors, who enter college with the lowest average SAT scores, leave with the highest grades. Some of academic evidence documenting easy A's for future teachers goes back more than 50 years!"

Educational Ineptitude II

"The situation is not pretty. Philadelphia schools are typical of poor quality big-city schools. Susan Snyder, Philadelphia Inquirer staff writer, in her article, "District to help teachers pass test" (3/24/04), reported "that half of the district's 690 middle school teachers who took exams in math, English, social studies and science in September and November failed." Other test results haven't been released; Pennsylvania Governor Ed Rendell said he understands "concerns that releasing the data could subject teachers to humiliation. . .." The unflattering fact that we must own up to is that many, perhaps most, of those who choose teaching as a profession represent the very bottom of the academic barrel. Let's look at it.

The National Center for Education Statistics (NCES) compiles loads of statistics on education. The NCES "Digest of Education Statistics" Table 136 shows SAT average score by student characteristics for 2001. Students who select education as their major have the lowest SAT scores of any other major (964). Math majors have the highest (1174). It's the same story when education majors finish college and take tests for admission to graduate schools. In the case of the Graduate Record Examination (GRE), education majors have an average score that's the second lowest (467) of any other major except sociology majors (434). Putting this in perspective, math majors score the highest (720) followed closely by economics in third place (625). It's roughly the same story for students taking the LSAT for admission to law schools where the possible scores range between 120 and 180. Out of 29 majors, education majors ranked 26th averaging a score of 148. Physics/math majors came in first with a 158 score and economics majors third with 155. Readers can readily obtain this information by a "Google" search using the words "GRE major" and "LSAT major".

This article just shows the ignorant education bashers out there.

The English teachers and social studies teachers did poorly in math and science tests,

The math and science teachers did poorly in English and social studies tests.

I was certified to teach both math and social studies.

The GRE tests exceptionally high levels of mathematics so those who are not math or science majors will always do poorly. I blew it away because of my math background.

Why in the world would a teacher EVER take the LSAT? How many teachers do you think could afford to go to law school on a teacher's salary? That is just stupid! It is like rating the performance of plumbers on the MCAT!

The reason the less than exceptional college students wind up in teaching is the lousy pay! Other than social workers, education is the lowest paid profession requiring a college degree in America.

You unwittingly just proved why teachers need higher pay.

"The NCES "Digest of Education Statistics" Table 136 shows SAT average score by student characteristics for 2001. Students who select education as their major have the lowest SAT scores of any other major (964)."

"Research over the years has indicated that education majors, who enter college with the lowest average SAT scores, leave with the highest grades. Some of academic evidence documenting easy A's for future teachers goes back more than 50 years!"

Why is it that education majors have some of the lowest SAT scores and some of the highest GPAs?

You get what you pay for!

 

[RandomPoster]

Here's The Nation's Easiest College Major

"Research over the years has indicated that education majors, who enter college with the lowest average SAT scores, leave with the highest grades. Some of academic evidence documenting easy A's for future teachers goes back more than 50 years!"

Educational Ineptitude II

"The situation is not pretty. Philadelphia schools are typical of poor quality big-city schools. Susan Snyder, Philadelphia Inquirer staff writer, in her article, "District to help teachers pass test" (3/24/04), reported "that half of the district's 690 middle school teachers who took exams in math, English, social studies and science in September and November failed." Other test results haven't been released; Pennsylvania Governor Ed Rendell said he understands "concerns that releasing the data could subject teachers to humiliation. . .." The unflattering fact that we must own up to is that many, perhaps most, of those who choose teaching as a profession represent the very bottom of the academic barrel. Let's look at it.

The National Center for Education Statistics (NCES) compiles loads of statistics on education.

Here's The Nation's Easiest College Major

"Research over the years has indicated that education majors, who enter college with the lowest average SAT scores, leave with the highest grades. Some of academic evidence documenting easy A's for future teachers goes back more than 50 years!"

Educational Ineptitude II

"The situation is not pretty. Philadelphia schools are typical of poor quality big-city schools. Susan Snyder, Philadelphia Inquirer staff writer, in her article, "District to help teachers pass test" (3/24/04), reported "that half of the district's 690 middle school teachers who took exams in math, English, social studies and science in September and November failed." Other test results haven't been released; Pennsylvania Governor Ed Rendell said he understands "concerns that releasing the data could subject teachers to humiliation. . .." The unflattering fact that we must own up to is that many, perhaps most, of those who choose teaching as a profession represent the very bottom of the academic barrel. Let's look at it.

The National Center for Education Statistics (NCES) compiles loads of statistics on education. The NCES "Digest of Education Statistics" Table 136 shows SAT average score by student characteristics for 2001. Students who select education as their major have the lowest SAT scores of any other major (964). Math majors have the highest (1174). It's the same story when education majors finish college and take tests for admission to graduate schools. In the case of the Graduate Record Examination (GRE), education majors have an average score that's the second lowest (467) of any other major except sociology majors (434). Putting this in perspective, math majors score the highest (720) followed closely by economics in third place (625). It's roughly the same story for students taking the LSAT for admission to law schools where the possible scores range between 120 and 180. Out of 29 majors, education majors ranked 26th averaging a score of 148. Physics/math majors came in first with a 158 score and economics majors third with 155. Readers can readily obtain this information by a "Google" search using the words "GRE major" and "LSAT major".

This article just shows the ignorant education bashers out there.

The English teachers and social studies teachers did poorly in math and science tests,

The math and science teachers did poorly in English and social studies tests.

I was certified to teach both math and social studies.

The GRE tests exceptionally high levels of mathematics so those who are not math or science majors will always do poorly. I blew it away because of my math background.

Why in the world would a teacher EVER take the LSAT? How many teachers do you think could afford to go to law school on a teacher's salary? That is just stupid! It is like rating the performance of plumbers on the MCAT!

The reason the less than exceptional college students wind up in teaching is the lousy pay! Other than social workers, education is the lowest paid profession requiring a college degree in America.

You unwittingly just proved why teachers need higher pay.

"The NCES "Digest of Education Statistics" Table 136 shows SAT average score by student characteristics for 2001. Students who select education as their major have the lowest SAT scores of any other major (964)."

"Research over the years has indicated that education majors, who enter college with the lowest average SAT scores, leave with the highest grades. Some of academic evidence documenting easy A's for future teachers goes back more than 50 years!"

Why is it that education majors have some of the lowest SAT scores and some of the highest GPAs?

You get what you pay for!

Perhaps we'd rather have our best and brightest citizens working as doctors, lawyers, scientists, engineers, mathematicians, etc. than teaching 3rd graders finger painting and basic arithmetic.

 

[RandomPoster]

Take a look at the top 5 countries in Science Education in a recent study. Singapore, Japan, Estonia, Taiwan, and Finland. Small homogeneous countries with extremely low crime rates. Also, notice how Singapore is top in Math, Reading, and Science. Singapore uses canings in school. Perhaps it's not a coincidence.

U.S. academic achievement lags that of many other countries

WORLD CORPORAL PUNISHMENT: SCHOOL CANING IN SINGAPORE

Also, take a look at US states rated in Education and Crime Rate and you will notice a rather inverse tend, which suggests that culture may have something to so with it.

Education:

Crime rate:

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Here's The Nation's Easiest College Major

"Research over the years has indicated that education majors, who enter college with the lowest average SAT scores, leave with the highest grades. Some of academic evidence documenting easy A's for future teachers goes back more than 50 years!"

Educational Ineptitude II

"The situation is not pretty. Philadelphia schools are typical of poor quality big-city schools. Susan Snyder, Philadelphia Inquirer staff writer, in her article, "District to help teachers pass test" (3/24/04), reported "that half of the district's 690 middle school teachers who took exams in math, English, social studies and science in September and November failed." Other test results haven't been released; Pennsylvania Governor Ed Rendell said he understands "concerns that releasing the data could subject teachers to humiliation. . .." The unflattering fact that we must own up to is that many, perhaps most, of those who choose teaching as a profession represent the very bottom of the academic barrel. Let's look at it.

The National Center for Education Statistics (NCES) compiles loads of statistics on education.

Here's The Nation's Easiest College Major

"Research over the years has indicated that education majors, who enter college with the lowest average SAT scores, leave with the highest grades. Some of academic evidence documenting easy A's for future teachers goes back more than 50 years!"

Educational Ineptitude II

"The situation is not pretty. Philadelphia schools are typical of poor quality big-city schools. Susan Snyder, Philadelphia Inquirer staff writer, in her article, "District to help teachers pass test" (3/24/04), reported "that half of the district's 690 middle school teachers who took exams in math, English, social studies and science in September and November failed." Other test results haven't been released; Pennsylvania Governor Ed Rendell said he understands "concerns that releasing the data could subject teachers to humiliation. . .." The unflattering fact that we must own up to is that many, perhaps most, of those who choose teaching as a profession represent the very bottom of the academic barrel. Let's look at it.

The National Center for Education Statistics (NCES) compiles loads of statistics on education. The NCES "Digest of Education Statistics" Table 136 shows SAT average score by student characteristics for 2001. Students who select education as their major have the lowest SAT scores of any other major (964). Math majors have the highest (1174). It's the same story when education majors finish college and take tests for admission to graduate schools. In the case of the Graduate Record Examination (GRE), education majors have an average score that's the second lowest (467) of any other major except sociology majors (434). Putting this in perspective, math majors score the highest (720) followed closely by economics in third place (625). It's roughly the same story for students taking the LSAT for admission to law schools where the possible scores range between 120 and 180. Out of 29 majors, education majors ranked 26th averaging a score of 148. Physics/math majors came in first with a 158 score and economics majors third with 155. Readers can readily obtain this information by a "Google" search using the words "GRE major" and "LSAT major".

This article just shows the ignorant education bashers out there.

The English teachers and social studies teachers did poorly in math and science tests,

The math and science teachers did poorly in English and social studies tests.

I was certified to teach both math and social studies.

The GRE tests exceptionally high levels of mathematics so those who are not math or science majors will always do poorly. I blew it away because of my math background.

Why in the world would a teacher EVER take the LSAT? How many teachers do you think could afford to go to law school on a teacher's salary? That is just stupid! It is like rating the performance of plumbers on the MCAT!

The reason the less than exceptional college students wind up in teaching is the lousy pay! Other than social workers, education is the lowest paid profession requiring a college degree in America.

You unwittingly just proved why teachers need higher pay.

"The NCES "Digest of Education Statistics" Table 136 shows SAT average score by student characteristics for 2001. Students who select education as their major have the lowest SAT scores of any other major (964)."

"Research over the years has indicated that education majors, who enter college with the lowest average SAT scores, leave with the highest grades. Some of academic evidence documenting easy A's for future teachers goes back more than 50 years!"

Why is it that education majors have some of the lowest SAT scores and some of the highest GPAs?

You get what you pay for!

Perhaps we'd rather have our best and brightest citizens working as doctors, lawyers, scientists, engineers, mathematicians, etc. than teaching 3rd graders finger painting and basic arithmetic.

If you wanted unqualified teachers, you should send them to some private schools in Florida who were hiring high school dropouts to teach elementary classes.

 

[SweetSue92]

Here's The Nation's Easiest College Major

"Research over the years has indicated that education majors, who enter college with the lowest average SAT scores, leave with the highest grades. Some of academic evidence documenting easy A's for future teachers goes back more than 50 years!"

Educational Ineptitude II

"The situation is not pretty. Philadelphia schools are typical of poor quality big-city schools. Susan Snyder, Philadelphia Inquirer staff writer, in her article, "District to help teachers pass test" (3/24/04), reported "that half of the district's 690 middle school teachers who took exams in math, English, social studies and science in September and November failed." Other test results haven't been released; Pennsylvania Governor Ed Rendell said he understands "concerns that releasing the data could subject teachers to humiliation. . .." The unflattering fact that we must own up to is that many, perhaps most, of those who choose teaching as a profession represent the very bottom of the academic barrel. Let's look at it.

The National Center for Education Statistics (NCES) compiles loads of statistics on education.

This article just shows the ignorant education bashers out there.

The English teachers and social studies teachers did poorly in math and science tests,

The math and science teachers did poorly in English and social studies tests.

I was certified to teach both math and social studies.

The GRE tests exceptionally high levels of mathematics so those who are not math or science majors will always do poorly. I blew it away because of my math background.

Why in the world would a teacher EVER take the LSAT? How many teachers do you think could afford to go to law school on a teacher's salary? That is just stupid! It is like rating the performance of plumbers on the MCAT!

The reason the less than exceptional college students wind up in teaching is the lousy pay! Other than social workers, education is the lowest paid profession requiring a college degree in America.

You unwittingly just proved why teachers need higher pay.

"The NCES "Digest of Education Statistics" Table 136 shows SAT average score by student characteristics for 2001. Students who select education as their major have the lowest SAT scores of any other major (964)."

"Research over the years has indicated that education majors, who enter college with the lowest average SAT scores, leave with the highest grades. Some of academic evidence documenting easy A's for future teachers goes back more than 50 years!"

Why is it that education majors have some of the lowest SAT scores and some of the highest GPAs?

You get what you pay for!

Perhaps we'd rather have our best and brightest citizens working as doctors, lawyers, scientists, engineers, mathematicians, etc. than teaching 3rd graders finger painting and basic arithmetic.

If you wanted unqualified teachers, you should send them to some private schools in Florida who were hiring high school dropouts to teach elementary classes.

It's only going to get worse as classrooms become more out of control with the mental health crisis we have going on, as no one wants to increase pay, as the economy yet explodes and people who can and want to do other things can get higher paying jobs elsewhere. It's all in a downward spiral. And we probably deserve it as all we want to do is point fingers rather than solve any actual problems.

 

[sealybobo]

It's not a matter of the quality the education teachers get. It the quality of the people that go into education. Too many people go into education because it is an easier curriculum than most, and it's almost a guaranteed job. Even today, many women go into education because it's a good fit for someone who has family and needs to work.

Don't get me wrong, teaching is not an easy job but the fact is we need better teachers and to get better teachers we need better students going into education. That will allow schools to improve curriculum. It all depends on paying a better salary.

Let's be honest here, kiddies...the best and the brightest aren't becoming teachers! They're becoming doctors, lawyers & scientists. The dumber ones are becoming teachers or if they're ambitious...politicians!

Some of the best and brightest are not becoming teachers because it is a tough life, underpaid, and disrespected.

Those doctors, lawyers, and scientists don't work 14 hour days most of the time, and on weekends at home, get crappy salaries, and have threads bashing them on message boards!

All the teachers I know are making more than the national average as far as how much people make in America. We are all getting sick of hearing teachers talk about how hard they work and how underpaid they are. Name one other profession that complains this much. You can't. I think it has to do with being in unions. They have the power to complain until they get raises. COLLECTIVELY. So of course they are always crying about how underpaid they are and overworked. They have another contract coming up so it helps them negotiate.

Most of us who don't benefit from collective bargaining don't have anyone to complain to. The guy working next to me might be making more than me. Maybe if you guys lost your unions then each of you could negotiate your own wages. If you are good, they'll pay it. If not, get another job. Isn't that the Republican way? Aren't you a republican?

What do mean makes more than the national average. The average worker in the US has a high school degree and about 1 year of college. There experience level in their field is 4 years. The average worker in the US reports they average 47 hours a week of work.

The average teacher has a post graduate degree, has 14 years experience and works 53 hours a week.
Who is the Average U.S. Teacher? - NEA Today

Give me a break.
I know a few dozen teachers and they never took chemistry, physics or advanced algebra.
My kids went to private schools where the teachers had hard science degrees.

This teacher yesterday said she's been off all week and not going back till January 7th.

How many days off is that? Plus summers off? You teachers are the biggest spoiled brats. Entitled by your unions.

This is just teachers crying to negotiate higher pay. The fact is they got it good.

 

[Unkotare]

More people complain about teachers than teachers complain about pay.

 

[sealybobo]

More people complain about teachers than teachers complain about pay.

That's not true. Not true at all. What came first the chicken or the egg?

Think about it. Who would even know what you teacher make if you didn't cry you weren't making enough.

Our response after we hear how much you work and how much you make is that you seem to make more than enough.

So you go on and on about how we couldn't last 1 day at your job.

It's really pathetic to hear people who chose a profession they knew didn't pay well now cry about how it doesn't pay well. And we all know summers off played a big role in why you chose that job. Then later you realized you needed a summer gig to pay your bills.

And didn't you know it was a hard job before you went into it? Then why do you expect us to know? You must have done a lot of research before you chose to be a teacher right? What an idiot you must be.

I defy you to find a thread titled "why salespeople need more pay"

Only a teacher has the balls to post such stupidity.

Why a garbageman needs more pay

Why a doctor or nurse needs more pay fine

But teachers?

 

[sealybobo]

More people complain about teachers than teachers complain about pay.

So then the majority of teachers don't complain about what they are paid and feel they are paid appropriately?

That's good to know. I agree with them. I never said you were overpaid but you are not under paid.

 

[Unkotare]

More people complain about teachers than teachers complain about pay.

That's not true. Not true at all. ...?

This thread, and others like it, proves that it is true.

 

[sealybobo]

More people complain about teachers than teachers complain about pay.

That's not true. Not true at all. ...?

This thread, and others like it, proves that it is true.

If you had 50 teachers and 50 non teachers here I would say you'd get about half of us to agree with you so no. 100% of teachers cry they don't make enough and work too hard and NEED more pay and only 50% of us think you are fos. Maybe 75% of us think you are fos but that still means you and your apologists outnumber us.

But don't worry Republicans are in charge. You public school teachers won't be getting any raises anytime soon.

Weren't you guys thinking about striking not too long ago for more pay? Did you win? Thank your union then stupid.

Trump Meets With Teachers as Strikes Spread Across US

BTW, you are a republican so you agree with us that teachers are not underpaid.

As U.S. President Donald Trump meets Wednesday at the White House with the 2018 Teachers of the Year, public school teacher strikes are escalating across the country while the administration is emphasizing private alternatives to public education.

The latest strike is underway in the southwestern state of Arizona, where most schools were forced to close after thousands of teachers walked off the job last week, demanding higher pay and more funding for public education.

The Arizona strike follows others in recent months in Colorado, Kentucky, Oklahoma, West Virginia and Washington, D.C.

Many of the strikes have occurred in Republican-controlled “red” states, evolving into the “Red for Ed” movement that has surprised the nation’s education community and intensified pressure on state legislators.

Looks like Betsy would agree with us too.

DeVos, in a meeting Monday in Washington with Teachers of the Year from states across the country, reportedly engaged in a “verbal sparring match” during an exchange of ideas.

Oklahoma’s Teacher of the Year, John Hazell, a Republican who voted for Trump, told DeVos that her preference for alternatives to public schools were draining resources from public school systems

When DeVos responded that students may be selecting alternatives to escape low-performing public schools, Hazell said, “You’re the one creating ‘bad’ schools by taking all the kids that can afford to get out and leaving the kids who can’t behind,” a reply that reportedly drew supportive responses from others at the meeting.

DeVos has spent decades promoting the growth of charter schools, which are funded with taxpayer money, but run by private companies. She has also championed other private education programs that are funded with public money.

 

[sealybobo]

More people complain about teachers than teachers complain about pay.

That's not true. Not true at all. ...?

This thread, and others like it, proves that it is true.

My youngest nephew is struggling at the best private school in Michigan. They say he will be a A B student if he goes to public school. It's not even close. And yet private school teachers make less. They're killing you and they make less. Maybe Devos is right.

 

[Unkotare]

More people complain about teachers than teachers complain about pay.

That's not true. Not true at all. ...?

This thread, and others like it, proves that it is true.

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[Andylusion]

Okay, so I hope everyone can follow me here. I am going to write about how much teachers should be paid, but not from my own perspective. I believe teachers deserve high pay for a multitude of reasons, I just want to clarify that. But let's, for a second, assume I am the kind of person who says "Teachers jobs are easy, they get summers off, they're just glorified babysitters" and the work we all know teachers need to take home doesn't count.

Let's assume we pay teachers less than what I was paid to babysit in high school. So give them...$4/hour. Let's only pay them for the hours they are in school - let's say 6.5 hours a day. That brings their daily pay to $26.

But teachers don't only teach one student. Let's say the teacher teaches 30 students. Every parent should pay $26 a day for their child to be "babysat" and at thirty students that comes out to $780/day.

Now, 5 day school week brings that to $3,900 a week.
Or, if you want to figure in days, let's say they work 180 days a year (meaning no paid vacations) $780/day for 180 days = $140,000.

The average teacher salary tends to hover between $50,000 - $60,000. So, on the high end of that spectrum, let's figure out how much teachers make per hour per child:
$60,000/180 days = $333.33/day. $333.33 per day/30 students = $11.11 per student per day. Figure in the 6.5 hours and that's $1.71 per hour per student.



So teachers get paid more than they do on average, even in my fictional scenario, where we pay teachers less per hour per child than the average babysitter, and don't pay them for any of the additional work they need to do outside of school hours, and give them no vacation pay.

All garbage.

First off, my parents are millionaires. And they were both public school teachers. Not only did both of them earn six-figure incomes by the end of their careers, but both of them went back to work after retiring, earning a full salary, plus their retirement.

"I believe teachers deserve high pay for a multitude of reasons"

No, 'teachers' do not deserve high pay. Good teachers, excellent teachers, award winning teachers, deserve high pay.

The vast majority of teachers are marginal, and many are just flat out crap. I had a teacher that would monotone a lecture for 30 minutes, and teach almost nothing.

Had another teacher that would push a VHS tape in (remember those?), hit play, and give a 'pop' quiz at the end of every single class.

That was his idea of "teaching".

So no, I reject this 'teachers deserve more' craziness. We have the most expensive, and least productive government funded school systems in the world. Most teachers should be paid less. A few should earn what they are getting, and a very tiny group should be paid a ton more because they are amazingly good at what they do and should be compensated.

 

[sealybobo]

More people complain about teachers than teachers complain about pay.

That's not true. Not true at all. ...?

This thread, and others like it, proves that it is true.

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…what do people think about teacher pay? For starters, fully two-thirds of the public thinks teachers in their state deserve a raise. And, even though most states have laws that outlaw teacher strikes, the public broadly supports teachers’ right to strike, by 53 to 32%. So the public is clearly supportive of teachers.

In an interesting wrinkle, though, it turns out that people don’t actually know how much teachers make. When respondents were told what teachers in their state earn and were then asked for their views, support fell by 18 points (to 49%). In other words, support for more pay softens substantially when respondents learn how much teachers make.

But the fact that the public consistently lines up with DeVos when asked to choose sides on some of the more controversial education differences between the Trump and Obama administrations.

School vouchers the general public supports universal vouchers by a surprisingly wide 54-31 split

Just 25% of the nation supports laws allowing the practice of “agency fees”—which entail states requiring non-members to pay a fee to unions.

The Obama administration issued a controversial directive on school discipline in which it warned school districts that they risked violating federal civil rights law if black or Latino students were disciplined at a higher rate than were other students. Just 27% of the country supports the Obama stance, while 49% opposes it.

On a related note, when it comes to assigning students to K-12 schools, the public firmly opposes the kind of race-based affirmative action that the Obama administration energetically supported but which DeVos has since rescinded. Just 18% of respondents support the Obama stance while 57% oppose it.