Why the fight against Birth Control?

[Cecilie1200]

And that is exactly the position others are taking to you, that's all, please do try that on as well.

No, Chuckles, the position others are taking is, "We believe this, and we're right, so do what we say and shut up!"

And I won't be "trying that on" any time soon. I'm not a leftist, and I feel no need to rob people or subjugate them.

You all sound alike to me.

Possibly you should consider taking off the headphones blasting Obama speeches into your ears, then, so that you can hear us more clearly.

Might help to take your brain out of the shrink-wrap and plug it in, as well. Just a suggestion.

Sorry, once you partisanshitheads start slinging epithets, and your respective buzz words and name droping, it becomes all too evident that you're invested in the chaos, dysfunctionalism, and solutions avoidance imprinted behaviors that keeps the status quo afloat.

Epithets....you mean like Partisanshitheads?
Dumbass.

What can you expect from someone who vigorously defends his right to remain ignorant of what anyone else really thinks or believes, and then delivers diatribes against the thoughts and beliefs he just refused to hear?

Leftist logic is not like our Earth logic.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Seriously...I just don't get it.

What's wrong with letting women have it?

The argument that they shouldn't have it free doesn't fly. ACA includes a bunch of different free items: Preventive care benefits for adults - but I have yet to hear an argument against aspirin or vaccinations being offered and birth control is a relatively cheap thing to offer.

The Pill is, as of this time, the most reliable method of pregnancy prevention. Yes...abstinence itself works, but isn't realistic as few people stick with it and, frankly, why should they if the pill can offer a more reliable option if they don't want to be abstinent? There is a direct correlation between preventing unwanted pregnancies, particularly teens, and the availability of reliable contraception.

Who says they can't have it? I couldn't care less, just don't ask me to pay for their sex.

Why not? A little pill is a benefit to us all

Oh sure, same with water. Buy your own water.

I DO buy my own water. What, you don't have monthly bills from the water company where you come from?

 

[Vastator]

Seriously...I just don't get it.

What's wrong with letting women have it?

The argument that they shouldn't have it free doesn't fly. ACA includes a bunch of different free items: Preventive care benefits for adults - but I have yet to hear an argument against aspirin or vaccinations being offered and birth control is a relatively cheap thing to offer.

The Pill is, as of this time, the most reliable method of pregnancy prevention. Yes...abstinence itself works, but isn't realistic as few people stick with it and, frankly, why should they if the pill can offer a more reliable option if they don't want to be abstinent? There is a direct correlation between preventing unwanted pregnancies, particularly teens, and the availability of reliable contraception.

Who says they can't have it? I couldn't care less, just don't ask me to pay for their sex.

Why not? A little pill is a benefit to us all

Oh sure, same with water. Buy your own water.

I DO buy my own water. What, you don't have monthly bills from the water company where you come from?

I paid to sink a well... It's hilarious how these cradle to grave parasites cannot conceive of a world where people actually pay for their own shit.

 

[Coyote]

Seriously...I just don't get it.

What's wrong with letting women have it?

The argument that they shouldn't have it free doesn't fly. ACA includes a bunch of different free items: Preventive care benefits for adults - but I have yet to hear an argument against aspirin or vaccinations being offered and birth control is a relatively cheap thing to offer.

The Pill is, as of this time, the most reliable method of pregnancy prevention. Yes...abstinence itself works, but isn't realistic as few people stick with it and, frankly, why should they if the pill can offer a more reliable option if they don't want to be abstinent? There is a direct correlation between preventing unwanted pregnancies, particularly teens, and the availability of reliable contraception.

You gonna buy me viagra and porn9 magazines when I get old and want sex?

You need a compelling reason. Horny old men don't cost society in the same way as teen pregnancies and abortion do.

 

[Coyote]

You want to make them take responsibility but you don't want to make that choice any easier by providing free bc.

You think abortion is horrible but you don't want to reduce the rates by making birth control free.

You want them to suffer the consequences for their bad choices but those consequences may include children which you also don't want to support on the government dime.

It seems that it's not just about personal responsibility, it's about moral judgements and punishment.

Of course it's horrible, yet you don't seem to think that people should be held accountable for their actions. If people are given birth control with other people's money, they aren't being held accountable.

Guess they should think about that before sleeping around.

Not true. Nobody else should be forced to pay for someone else's stuff. Something liberals seem take as the solution to literally everything. Something's wrong with society? Let everyone shirk their own responsibilities and everyone else can pay for it.

Yet I have to pay for the education of other people's kids

Not the same. Education benefits everyone. Birth Control for pleasure sack benefits only the selfish.

The cost of teen pregnancies and abortions affect everyone. That's a compelling reason to look at ways to reduce it. Offering free birth control has shown to have an effect on lowering those trends.

 

[Coyote]

You want to make them take responsibility but you don't want to make that choice any easier by providing free bc.

You think abortion is horrible but you don't want to reduce the rates by making birth control free.

You want them to suffer the consequences for their bad choices but those consequences may include children which you also don't want to support on the government dime.

It seems that it's not just about personal responsibility, it's about moral judgements and punishment.

Of course it's horrible, yet you don't seem to think that people should be held accountable for their actions. If people are given birth control with other people's money, they aren't being held accountable.

Guess they should think about that before sleeping around.

Not true. Nobody else should be forced to pay for someone else's stuff. Something liberals seem take as the solution to literally everything. Something's wrong with society? Let everyone shirk their own responsibilities and everyone else can pay for it.

Yet I have to pay for the education of other people's kids

Which I don't support, either. There should only be homeschooling and private schooling. Are you going to make a point somewhere?

I've made my point throughout the thread, if you bothered to read.

There are certain things that benefit our country that everyone pays for. Where most of us disagree is what those things are and what the government responsibility should be.

Ok so you don't think schooling should be publically funded. Have you really thought that out? One of the great strengths of our country is free schooling paid for through our taxes. It has given everyone, from every strata an opportunity that might otherwise not exist, to succeed. Without, it would be impossible for most to ever escape poverty. Look at those countries where everyone pays out of pocket and poor people struggle to fund even one child in the family. What is the literacy rate in those countries?

An educated populace benefits all. Whether it's in jobs, understanding issues, literacy, contributions to science, etc. Countries without it often have huge gaps between poor and rich, and not much middle class. They also have more social unrest. Home schooling is fine if your parents don't both have to work to feed their family and, if they themselves are competent to do the job. Private schools are very expensive, their quality is all over the board, and vouchers and tax credits only cover some of the costs. Public education might not always be the best, but at least it is there.

Things like education benefit society at large. In my view so does free birth control if it reduces teen pregnancies and abortion rates which have a high social cost. I'd rather pay for prevention and education than welfare later on because a teen dropped out of school.

It's easy to say they should all suffer the consequences and no one should help the "whore", but many are kids themselves a d if something like free birth control can help them make the RIGHT decisions, I see no reason to be punitive and moralistic about it.

You haven't, not one. You're basically demanding that when a person makes a mistake, everyone who pays taxes should be burdened with that mistake. That because a person chooses not to control themselves, everyone who pays taxes should pay for that bad habit. That's short-sighted and ignorant.

I'm sorry that you're incapable of figuring out what the point was since I have made the same point over and over. Teen pregnancies and abortion carry a high financial and social cost. Do you disagree with that point? If so, I'll be happy to provide sources to back it up (again).

Free birth control has been shown to lower both those trends. Birth control is cheaper than paying for the costs of teen pregnancies and abortion.

If there is a way to help them make the RIGHT choices before a pregnancy, then why not take it?

The 'government's responsibilities' have been expanded far beyond what they actually should be. Minute things like that, should not be listed among them, that's just laziness and carelessness. Things there's a demand for that can be provided by private industry shouldn't be covered by the government.

Clearly you and I have different ideas on the role of the government. Teen pregnancies and abortion are not "minute things".

Yes, I thought that out, and that's why I haven't made the ignorant claim that our trashy school system isn't a strength of the country. Schooling would be significantly cheaper and more effective if it were handled by the private sector, which is why private and home schooled children consistently score higher on tests. There would be cheaper schools for poorer families, because there would be a demand among low income families, or they could homeschool their children.

Ignorant claim? Maybe you haven't thought it out that well. Which is kind of ignorant of you when you come to think of it.

Have you taken the opportunity to see what literacy and education rates are in countries where people have to pay for schooling? That should clue you in.

Abraham Lincoln was educated in our public school system. In fact, many important and accomplished people were - wide spectrum from Steve Jobs (founder of Apple) to presidents like Ronald Reagan.

Our public schools vary from bad to excellent (same as private schools) but one thing they do is offer a basic education regardless of whether or not the family can afford it.

Public schools MUST take everyone in their area. Private schools don't. They have the luxury of picking and choosing, which skews test results. So what are these "cheap private schools" going to look like for poor people? When a family has to spend a third or more of it's income on food and rent, how are they going to afford even a "cheap private school" and if it's that cheap, how is it going to be any better than public schools? In fact it would likely be worse.

You also don't think out all the associated issues. Private schools can pick and choose where to locate. They sure aren't going to locate in poor and underserved areas, but where it makes economic sense. So for some families - there are few to no private options. Private schools typically don't have transportation - public schools often do. How is a poor kid, in an inner city going to get out to some suburban private school? Does his family even own a car? Can they take time off of work to drive? Is there public transportation out that far and is it affordable?

What happens to the kids private schools refuse to take? Are they then relegated to some sort of substandard education?

Cheap private schools for poor people is likely to be substandard (since profit is more important than education) and exacerbate the chasm between rich and the poor, and limit upward mobility.

Homeschooling is even worse. Home schooling is a full time job. I know people who home school their kids (at least in the lower grades). In addition, it requires a good amount of knowledge to keep up and teach and that's a huge assumption, particularly if you have parents who might not be well educated themselves. To assume that poor parents can just quite work and do this is pretty elitist in my opinion.

That's not solving the problem, instead people should be taught abstinence. People who ignore those teachings, well, I guess they hosed themselves and have to deal with that mistake, it shouldn't be anyone else's problem.

That's fine except that while ABSTINENCE works, ABSTINENCE ONLY PROGRAMS do not have a good track record.

Why not teach abstinence, responsibility, and birth control? Too many kids experiment with sex. They aren't adults. Teach them responsibility but provide the means to make a good choice if they choose to have sex and that choice is birth control.

Make the right decision? I don't see how free birth control helps them choose not to be a whore. You confuse yourself too easily.

The idea is not to judge people as "whores" or righteous. It's to prevent the costly mistakes that lack of birth control - teen pregnancies and abortion - have on society.

 

[Coyote]

You want to make them take responsibility but you don't want to make that choice any easier by providing free bc.

You think abortion is horrible but you don't want to reduce the rates by making birth control free.

You want them to suffer the consequences for their bad choices but those consequences may include children which you also don't want to support on the government dime.

It seems that it's not just about personal responsibility, it's about moral judgements and punishment.

Of course it's horrible, and unconstitutional, which is why it should be illegal. Yet you don't seem to think that people should be held accountable for their actions. If people are given birth control with other people's money, they aren't being held accountable.

Guess they should think about that before sleeping around.

Not true. Nobody else should be forced to pay for someone else's stuff. Something liberals seem take as the solution to literally everything. Something's wrong with society? Let everyone shirk their own responsibilities and everyone else can pay for it.

If you think abortion is horrible, then why don't you want to take steps to reduce it? If free birth control and education help people make the right choices, it makes sense to do it.

Your attitude seems more about punishment that responsibility and doesn't seem like it would do anything about actually preventing the problem . You have labeled them all whores and cast them out of humanity.

Do you support sex education in schools?

I do want to. Hence saying it should be illegal. If Liberals actually upheld the constitution in the first place, abortion wouldn't be a thing.

Birth control doesn't help people make the right decision, it encourages being a whore. You're suggesting counterproductive steps to solve a problem, much like all Liberal policies.

Cast them out of humanity? Not so, most people are awful, I'm considering them a part of that. In the real world, one takes responsibility for their actions and deals with it, rather than relying on tax payers to cover for it. If people actually start realizing what such a mistake can do to their lives, they'll be less likely to make those mistakes... much like criminals being punished. Liberals are attempting to remove the consequences of these mistakes, thus encouraging said mistakes... much like banning the death penalty.

I don't know~

Of course...you do realize a number of innocent people have been executed?

 

[Coyote]

Tilly I guess we're going to get in a fight and I love you as a poster And as a person..

Again I am old but not that old I still remember my old girl friend using a tooth brush to do her eye brows when I was 18 she was 16

I said fuck that and took her to Walgreens and bought her the real stuff.. And another funny thing she lived in park ridge Illinois.. A rich suburb of Chicago.. Where Harrison Ford and Hillary Clinton grew up.

.

I don't know exactly what she was doing to her eyebrows, but you can get contraceptives for 'free' without forcing others to pay for it - maybe not eyebrow brushes though

give a man a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime..

Personal responsibility is key, IMHO.

Some people can disagree amicably. And we are two such people, dear Bear

I love that quote Tilly.. I guess you are going to fight me


I have a daughter.. And I still remember what it was to be 18 ..kids love sex.
No way around it...


Again Tilly what's better a little pill or them destroying their lives.. By abortion? I am not a girl but I have heard so many regrets by women who did that.

Someone could... oh... I don't know... teach them not to sleep around? If they don't follow those teachings, well, that's their own problem. I go to church with someone who made that mistake, and dumped their child off on their parents. I'd much rather them destroy their lives, and learn the lesson the hard way. Maybe they'll teach their child/children better than they were taught. The world is a cruel place, it's better someone realize that than thinking everything is sunshine and rainbows until they make an even worse mistake.

Oh I think we all want those who don't follow us destroyed, don't we.

Hey, it's their choice, and others shouldn't be burdened with it. Of course, I'd expect a Socialist to believe everything should cost everyone. Coyote is already arguing that literally everything should be 'free', I don't think she needs your help~

Woah.

Let's back up here a moment.

Where have I argued that everything should be free or even most things?

Either provide evidence or admit you are lying.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

You want to make them take responsibility but you don't want to make that choice any easier by providing free bc.

You think abortion is horrible but you don't want to reduce the rates by making birth control free.

You want them to suffer the consequences for their bad choices but those consequences may include children which you also don't want to support on the government dime.

It seems that it's not just about personal responsibility, it's about moral judgements and punishment.

Of course it's horrible, and unconstitutional, which is why it should be illegal. Yet you don't seem to think that people should be held accountable for their actions. If people are given birth control with other people's money, they aren't being held accountable.

Guess they should think about that before sleeping around.

Not true. Nobody else should be forced to pay for someone else's stuff. Something liberals seem take as the solution to literally everything. Something's wrong with society? Let everyone shirk their own responsibilities and everyone else can pay for it.

If you think abortion is horrible, then why don't you want to take steps to reduce it? If free birth control and education help people make the right choices, it makes sense to do it.

Your attitude seems more about punishment that responsibility and doesn't seem like it would do anything about actually preventing the problem . You have labeled them all whores and cast them out of humanity.

Do you support sex education in schools?

I do want to. Hence saying it should be illegal. If Liberals actually upheld the constitution in the first place, abortion wouldn't be a thing.

Birth control doesn't help people make the right decision, it encourages being a whore. You're suggesting counterproductive steps to solve a problem, much like all Liberal policies.

Cast them out of humanity? Not so, most people are awful, I'm considering them a part of that. In the real world, one takes responsibility for their actions and deals with it, rather than relying on tax payers to cover for it. If people actually start realizing what such a mistake can do to their lives, they'll be less likely to make those mistakes... much like criminals being punished. Liberals are attempting to remove the consequences of these mistakes, thus encouraging said mistakes... much like banning the death penalty.

I don't know~

Of course...you do realize a number of innocent people have been executed?

Provide ACTUAL evidence an innocent was put to death because of the death penalty.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

I don't know exactly what she was doing to her eyebrows, but you can get contraceptives for 'free' without forcing others to pay for it - maybe not eyebrow brushes though

give a man a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime..

Personal responsibility is key, IMHO.

Some people can disagree amicably. And we are two such people, dear Bear

I love that quote Tilly.. I guess you are going to fight me


I have a daughter.. And I still remember what it was to be 18 ..kids love sex.
No way around it...


Again Tilly what's better a little pill or them destroying their lives.. By abortion? I am not a girl but I have heard so many regrets by women who did that.

Someone could... oh... I don't know... teach them not to sleep around? If they don't follow those teachings, well, that's their own problem. I go to church with someone who made that mistake, and dumped their child off on their parents. I'd much rather them destroy their lives, and learn the lesson the hard way. Maybe they'll teach their child/children better than they were taught. The world is a cruel place, it's better someone realize that than thinking everything is sunshine and rainbows until they make an even worse mistake.

Oh I think we all want those who don't follow us destroyed, don't we.

Hey, it's their choice, and others shouldn't be burdened with it. Of course, I'd expect a Socialist to believe everything should cost everyone. Coyote is already arguing that literally everything should be 'free', I don't think she needs your help~

Woah.

Let's back up here a moment.

Where have I argued that everything should be free or even most things?

Either provide evidence or admit you are lying.

You want evidence of someones claim while you do not provide evidence of yours? Figures.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Seriously...I just don't get it.

What's wrong with letting women have it?

The argument that they shouldn't have it free doesn't fly. ACA includes a bunch of different free items: Preventive care benefits for adults - but I have yet to hear an argument against aspirin or vaccinations being offered and birth control is a relatively cheap thing to offer.

The Pill is, as of this time, the most reliable method of pregnancy prevention. Yes...abstinence itself works, but isn't realistic as few people stick with it and, frankly, why should they if the pill can offer a more reliable option if they don't want to be abstinent? There is a direct correlation between preventing unwanted pregnancies, particularly teens, and the availability of reliable contraception.

You gonna buy me viagra and porn9 magazines when I get old and want sex?

You need a compelling reason. Horny old men don't cost society in the same way as teen pregnancies and abortion do.

I WANT

That seems to be compelling enough for the party of me me me, does it not?

 

[Pumpkin Row]

I don't know exactly what she was doing to her eyebrows, but you can get contraceptives for 'free' without forcing others to pay for it - maybe not eyebrow brushes though

give a man a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime..

Personal responsibility is key, IMHO.

Some people can disagree amicably. And we are two such people, dear Bear

I love that quote Tilly.. I guess you are going to fight me


I have a daughter.. And I still remember what it was to be 18 ..kids love sex.
No way around it...


Again Tilly what's better a little pill or them destroying their lives.. By abortion? I am not a girl but I have heard so many regrets by women who did that.

Someone could... oh... I don't know... teach them not to sleep around? If they don't follow those teachings, well, that's their own problem. I go to church with someone who made that mistake, and dumped their child off on their parents. I'd much rather them destroy their lives, and learn the lesson the hard way. Maybe they'll teach their child/children better than they were taught. The world is a cruel place, it's better someone realize that than thinking everything is sunshine and rainbows until they make an even worse mistake.

Oh I think we all want those who don't follow us destroyed, don't we.

Hey, it's their choice, and others shouldn't be burdened with it. Of course, I'd expect a Socialist to believe everything should cost everyone. Coyote is already arguing that literally everything should be 'free', I don't think she needs your help~

Woah.

Let's back up here a moment.

Where have I argued that everything should be free or even most things?

Either provide evidence or admit you are lying.

I'm making fun of you, you take yourself way too seriously.

 

[Pumpkin Row]

You want to make them take responsibility but you don't want to make that choice any easier by providing free bc.

You think abortion is horrible but you don't want to reduce the rates by making birth control free.

You want them to suffer the consequences for their bad choices but those consequences may include children which you also don't want to support on the government dime.

It seems that it's not just about personal responsibility, it's about moral judgements and punishment.

Of course it's horrible, and unconstitutional, which is why it should be illegal. Yet you don't seem to think that people should be held accountable for their actions. If people are given birth control with other people's money, they aren't being held accountable.

Guess they should think about that before sleeping around.

Not true. Nobody else should be forced to pay for someone else's stuff. Something liberals seem take as the solution to literally everything. Something's wrong with society? Let everyone shirk their own responsibilities and everyone else can pay for it.

If you think abortion is horrible, then why don't you want to take steps to reduce it? If free birth control and education help people make the right choices, it makes sense to do it.

Your attitude seems more about punishment that responsibility and doesn't seem like it would do anything about actually preventing the problem . You have labeled them all whores and cast them out of humanity.

Do you support sex education in schools?

I do want to. Hence saying it should be illegal. If Liberals actually upheld the constitution in the first place, abortion wouldn't be a thing.

Birth control doesn't help people make the right decision, it encourages being a whore. You're suggesting counterproductive steps to solve a problem, much like all Liberal policies.

Cast them out of humanity? Not so, most people are awful, I'm considering them a part of that. In the real world, one takes responsibility for their actions and deals with it, rather than relying on tax payers to cover for it. If people actually start realizing what such a mistake can do to their lives, they'll be less likely to make those mistakes... much like criminals being punished. Liberals are attempting to remove the consequences of these mistakes, thus encouraging said mistakes... much like banning the death penalty.

I don't know~

Of course...you do realize a number of innocent people have been executed?

Fewer innocent people would be hurt if criminals were executed, even assuming a few innocent people died along the way~

 

[Wyatt earp]

I love that quote Tilly.. I guess you are going to fight me


I have a daughter.. And I still remember what it was to be 18 ..kids love sex.
No way around it...


Again Tilly what's better a little pill or them destroying their lives.. By abortion? I am not a girl but I have heard so many regrets by women who did that.

Someone could... oh... I don't know... teach them not to sleep around? If they don't follow those teachings, well, that's their own problem. I go to church with someone who made that mistake, and dumped their child off on their parents. I'd much rather them destroy their lives, and learn the lesson the hard way. Maybe they'll teach their child/children better than they were taught. The world is a cruel place, it's better someone realize that than thinking everything is sunshine and rainbows until they make an even worse mistake.

Oh I think we all want those who don't follow us destroyed, don't we.

Hey, it's their choice, and others shouldn't be burdened with it. Of course, I'd expect a Socialist to believe everything should cost everyone. Coyote is already arguing that literally everything should be 'free', I don't think she needs your help~

Woah.

Let's back up here a moment.

Where have I argued that everything should be free or even most things?

Either provide evidence or admit you are lying.

I'm making fun of you, you take yourself way too seriously.

Coyote is a cool liberal.. I don't get why you are doing it?

 

[Wyatt earp]

You want to make them take responsibility but you don't want to make that choice any easier by providing free bc.

You think abortion is horrible but you don't want to reduce the rates by making birth control free.

You want them to suffer the consequences for their bad choices but those consequences may include children which you also don't want to support on the government dime.

It seems that it's not just about personal responsibility, it's about moral judgements and punishment.

Of course it's horrible, and unconstitutional, which is why it should be illegal. Yet you don't seem to think that people should be held accountable for their actions. If people are given birth control with other people's money, they aren't being held accountable.

Guess they should think about that before sleeping around.

Not true. Nobody else should be forced to pay for someone else's stuff. Something liberals seem take as the solution to literally everything. Something's wrong with society? Let everyone shirk their own responsibilities and everyone else can pay for it.

If you think abortion is horrible, then why don't you want to take steps to reduce it? If free birth control and education help people make the right choices, it makes sense to do it.

Your attitude seems more about punishment that responsibility and doesn't seem like it would do anything about actually preventing the problem . You have labeled them all whores and cast them out of humanity.

Do you support sex education in schools?

I do want to. Hence saying it should be illegal. If Liberals actually upheld the constitution in the first place, abortion wouldn't be a thing.

Birth control doesn't help people make the right decision, it encourages being a whore. You're suggesting counterproductive steps to solve a problem, much like all Liberal policies.

Cast them out of humanity? Not so, most people are awful, I'm considering them a part of that. In the real world, one takes responsibility for their actions and deals with it, rather than relying on tax payers to cover for it. If people actually start realizing what such a mistake can do to their lives, they'll be less likely to make those mistakes... much like criminals being punished. Liberals are attempting to remove the consequences of these mistakes, thus encouraging said mistakes... much like banning the death penalty.

I don't know~

Of course...you do realize a number of innocent people have been executed?

Fewer innocent people would be hurt if criminals were executed, even assuming a few innocent people died along the way~

Woa kid who is teaching you this bullshit?
.

 

[Wyatt earp]

You want to make them take responsibility but you don't want to make that choice any easier by providing free bc.

You think abortion is horrible but you don't want to reduce the rates by making birth control free.

You want them to suffer the consequences for their bad choices but those consequences may include children which you also don't want to support on the government dime.

It seems that it's not just about personal responsibility, it's about moral judgements and punishment.

Of course it's horrible, and unconstitutional, which is why it should be illegal. Yet you don't seem to think that people should be held accountable for their actions. If people are given birth control with other people's money, they aren't being held accountable.

Guess they should think about that before sleeping around.

Not true. Nobody else should be forced to pay for someone else's stuff. Something liberals seem take as the solution to literally everything. Something's wrong with society? Let everyone shirk their own responsibilities and everyone else can pay for it.

If you think abortion is horrible, then why don't you want to take steps to reduce it? If free birth control and education help people make the right choices, it makes sense to do it.

Your attitude seems more about punishment that responsibility and doesn't seem like it would do anything about actually preventing the problem . You have labeled them all whores and cast them out of humanity.

Do you support sex education in schools?

I do want to. Hence saying it should be illegal. If Liberals actually upheld the constitution in the first place, abortion wouldn't be a thing.

Birth control doesn't help people make the right decision, it encourages being a whore. You're suggesting counterproductive steps to solve a problem, much like all Liberal policies.

Cast them out of humanity? Not so, most people are awful, I'm considering them a part of that. In the real world, one takes responsibility for their actions and deals with it, rather than relying on tax payers to cover for it. If people actually start realizing what such a mistake can do to their lives, they'll be less likely to make those mistakes... much like criminals being punished. Liberals are attempting to remove the consequences of these mistakes, thus encouraging said mistakes... much like banning the death penalty.

I don't know~

Of course...you do realize a number of innocent people have been executed?

Fewer innocent people would be hurt if criminals were executed, even assuming a few innocent people died along the way~

Listen I love you posting you have a great mind for 15 look up governor Ryan of Illinois.. Yes he went to prison.. But he did the right thing in Illinois when he figured out innocent people were getting put to death.. We can't have that..

.

 

[Pumpkin Row]

Of course it's horrible, and unconstitutional, which is why it should be illegal. Yet you don't seem to think that people should be held accountable for their actions. If people are given birth control with other people's money, they aren't being held accountable.

Guess they should think about that before sleeping around.

Not true. Nobody else should be forced to pay for someone else's stuff. Something liberals seem take as the solution to literally everything. Something's wrong with society? Let everyone shirk their own responsibilities and everyone else can pay for it.

If you think abortion is horrible, then why don't you want to take steps to reduce it? If free birth control and education help people make the right choices, it makes sense to do it.

Your attitude seems more about punishment that responsibility and doesn't seem like it would do anything about actually preventing the problem . You have labeled them all whores and cast them out of humanity.

Do you support sex education in schools?

I do want to. Hence saying it should be illegal. If Liberals actually upheld the constitution in the first place, abortion wouldn't be a thing.

Birth control doesn't help people make the right decision, it encourages being a whore. You're suggesting counterproductive steps to solve a problem, much like all Liberal policies.

Cast them out of humanity? Not so, most people are awful, I'm considering them a part of that. In the real world, one takes responsibility for their actions and deals with it, rather than relying on tax payers to cover for it. If people actually start realizing what such a mistake can do to their lives, they'll be less likely to make those mistakes... much like criminals being punished. Liberals are attempting to remove the consequences of these mistakes, thus encouraging said mistakes... much like banning the death penalty.

I don't know~

Of course...you do realize a number of innocent people have been executed?

Fewer innocent people would be hurt if criminals were executed, even assuming a few innocent people died along the way~

Woa kid who is teaching you this bullshit?
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Criminals get back on the street after serving their sentence and hurt more innocent people. If they were dead, they wouldn't hurt anyone. They're better off dead.

 

[Pumpkin Row]

Clearly you and I have different ideas on the role of the government. Teen pregnancies and abortion are not "minute things".

They're minute things, yes. The government doesn't exist to force society to babysit others. Charities and churches exist, which can CHOOSE to take care of things like that. If someone messes up, especially in situations like the one being discussed, nobody else should be obligated to pay for that, it's a case of personal choice and personal responsibility. Eliminating the consequences of someone's actions causes self-entitlement and poor decision-making.

Ignorant claim? Maybe you haven't thought it out that well. Which is kind of ignorant of you when you come to think of it.

Have you taken the opportunity to see what literacy and education rates are in countries where people have to pay for schooling? That should clue you in.

Abraham Lincoln was educated in our public school system. In fact, many important and accomplished people were - wide spectrum from Steve Jobs (founder of Apple) to presidents like Ronald Reagan.

Our public schools vary from bad to excellent (same as private schools) but one thing they do is offer a basic education regardless of whether or not the family can afford it.

Public schools MUST take everyone in their area. Private schools don't. They have the luxury of picking and choosing, which skews test results. So what are these "cheap private schools" going to look like for poor people? When a family has to spend a third or more of it's income on food and rent, how are they going to afford even a "cheap private school" and if it's that cheap, how is it going to be any better than public schools? In fact it would likely be worse.

You also don't think out all the associated issues. Private schools can pick and choose where to locate. They sure aren't going to locate in poor and underserved areas, but where it makes economic sense. So for some families - there are few to no private options. Private schools typically don't have transportation - public schools often do. How is a poor kid, in an inner city going to get out to some suburban private school? Does his family even own a car? Can they take time off of work to drive? Is there public transportation out that far and is it affordable?

What happens to the kids private schools refuse to take? Are they then relegated to some sort of substandard education?

Cheap private schools for poor people is likely to be substandard (since profit is more important than education) and exacerbate the chasm between rich and the poor, and limit upward mobility.

Homeschooling is even worse. Home schooling is a full time job. I know people who home school their kids (at least in the lower grades). In addition, it requires a good amount of knowledge to keep up and teach and that's a huge assumption, particularly if you have parents who might not be well educated themselves. To assume that poor parents can just quite work and do this is pretty elitist in my opinion.

Why don't you give me an example instead of just claiming it?

Being president doesn't make him intelligent by default.

Attributing Steve Jobs' success solely to Government Education is a massive leap.

Ronald Reagan didn't have to be a genius to understand how the economy works, Democrats just tend to be below average in intelligence.

Government education isn't "effective" solely because they're obligated to take everyone. The fact is that Private Education has incentive to take everyone, because there's a demand for education, and the more people they take, the more money they make. That same incentive would cause them to WANT to set up their schools in low income areas, and provide cheap education. Also unlike Government education, there would be incentive to make it quality education, because competition would demand it. The government has no incentive to provide quality education because regardless of how many people attend, or how well-educated the people attending are, the government still makes money from every tax-payer.

Public schools offer transportation because it's not on their dime, it's on every tax-payer.

Neither of my parents have quit work to teach me. Your opinion of homeschooling is just full of assumptions. Parents don't have to be well-educated, either, because the facts come from the books and various sources of information used in the schooling. When the parents are involved, they may offer bits of information, but it's not as though they sit you down and teach you from their memory.

Maybe I am elitist, or maybe I just think that people should take responsibility for their life choices. For example, the decisions that lead them to being poor and keep them there, or their decision to sleep with someone and by extension have a child that they aren't ready for. Maybe the decision not to go to college. I believe that when a person makes a decision, they should take full responsibility for it, and all things that come as a result, and deal with it themselves. Life doesn't take care of you, and nobody should expect it to.

That's fine except that while ABSTINENCE works, ABSTINENCE ONLY PROGRAMS do not have a good track record.

Why not teach abstinence, responsibility, and birth control? Too many kids experiment with sex. They aren't adults. Teach them responsibility but provide the means to make a good choice if they choose to have sex and that choice is birth control.

The idea is not to judge people as "whores" or righteous. It's to prevent the costly mistakes that lack of birth control - teen pregnancies and abortion - have on society.

Because it's not the responsibility of taxpayers to cover for sluts? If they make the mistake, it's their problem, as it should be. If the taxpayers are providing birth control, it's not teaching any form of responsibility, it's further enabling sluts, and encouraging making the wrong decision, it's absolutely counterproductive. Your argument is absolutely backwards.

Saying that they should take responsibility should they choose to make the obvious wrong decision isn't judging them. Sure, I'm judging them, but that's not HOW I'm doing so.

You're still missing the point, it SHOULDN'T have an impact on society, it's not society's mistake, nor society's problem, we are not a collective, that one single person makes a mistake, it's their problem, they can clean it up themselves. They shouldn't have made such a costly mistake in the first place.

Abortion shouldn't be legal in the first place, so it shouldn't be impacting society. We can thank the godless, moral-less Liberals for that.

 

[Wyatt earp]

If you think abortion is horrible, then why don't you want to take steps to reduce it? If free birth control and education help people make the right choices, it makes sense to do it.

Your attitude seems more about punishment that responsibility and doesn't seem like it would do anything about actually preventing the problem . You have labeled them all whores and cast them out of humanity.

Do you support sex education in schools?

I do want to. Hence saying it should be illegal. If Liberals actually upheld the constitution in the first place, abortion wouldn't be a thing.

Birth control doesn't help people make the right decision, it encourages being a whore. You're suggesting counterproductive steps to solve a problem, much like all Liberal policies.

Cast them out of humanity? Not so, most people are awful, I'm considering them a part of that. In the real world, one takes responsibility for their actions and deals with it, rather than relying on tax payers to cover for it. If people actually start realizing what such a mistake can do to their lives, they'll be less likely to make those mistakes... much like criminals being punished. Liberals are attempting to remove the consequences of these mistakes, thus encouraging said mistakes... much like banning the death penalty.

I don't know~

Of course...you do realize a number of innocent people have been executed?

Fewer innocent people would be hurt if criminals were executed, even assuming a few innocent people died along the way~

Woa kid who is teaching you this bullshit?
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Criminals get back on the street after serving their sentence and hurt more innocent people. If they were dead, they wouldn't hurt anyone. They're better off dead.

I used to think like you kill them all innocent or not.. But I read to many stories of innocents being set up and being put to death..

I was in one of the worse jails of all.. Cook county.. Chicago Illinois had to serve 30 days..

The story's you hear some true some bullshit..

I was in with killers, rapist the worse of the worse but alot of them were set up.

Ya know it's funny I became friends with most of my inmates.. We would bullshit, play cards mess with the guards..

And most was so happy I got to get out and they were looking at 20 years or so in the prison..

 

[Pumpkin Row]

Listen I love you posting you have a great mind for 15 look up governor Ryan of Illinois.. Yes he went to prison.. But he did the right thing in Illinois when he figured out innocent people were getting put to death.. We can't have that..

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I like you, too<3

We can have that, so long as mostly the criminals are dying, too. Letting criminals live and continue to plague society, by leeching off of tax dollars and doing the exact same things that put them there in the first place when they're set free.