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Who BC is used by is irrelevant. The point is who pays for it. That should be the consumer. After all society didn't pay for your marriage either.
If you have any health insurance at all you are constantly paying for other people's shit just as they do yours. That is in fact the point, shared cost across the group.
No, the POINT is that BECAUSE it's shared coverage, you don't get to simply demand that those others give you what you want and sit down and shut up if they don't agree with you.
That's exactly the power we turn over to corporate power, we just have a different reaction when it's more closely linked to a "govt" plan. You have no say over any of that in an employer based plan.
Yes, actually, I do.
If I do not like the plan/s offered by my employer, I have the option of purchasing insurance privately. I also have the option of finding an employer who offers benefits more to my liking. But where do I go to get away from the federal government? More to the point, where does my employer go to get away from a federal government mandating that they will participate in things they don't want to?
Any and all compensation arrangements between an employer and employee are private and voluntary (or should be). The government, on the other hand, is a monolith everyone is stuck with which pays increasingly less and less attention to what individuals want. So yes, we react very differently to the government than to businesses, because government and business are two very different entities.
How many jobs you have you left because the employer plan offered birth control? How many times have you rejected an employer plan to go it alone because birth control was on the plan? How many employer plans have you switched over to beacuse those plans refused birth control inclusion again? Haven't we just elected a president who will rip out "Obama"care?
Exactly.
And there is no difference between tour federal govt and concentrated corporate wealth and power.
I agree Rustic. Before Obama care the individual had a choice in the matter. So if they opted in, and that program included BC, so be it. If you didn't like it, you could drop the plan. I myself always opted to pay out of pocket, and in the long run saved a lot of money. But now with healthcare programs being mandatory I get a lot more opinionated when parasitic lefties, want to add frivolous expenses to us all. Especially in this case where there are countless free alternatives.I have never bought insurance in my life, because I don't need it neither does my family. Any type of mandatory insurance is legalized extortion... factIf you've ever had healthcare insurance you've done this without so much as a peep.
You guys are really on to something, I think most americans would rather be out there with no healthcare coverage, paying out of their own pockets on their own.
I'm hoping that's what Trump and the Republican party have in mind for the american people.
Yes, those are the only choices: have absolutely no insurance coverage, or submit to the federal government micromanaging your healthcare. There is no in-between.
Grow up, please.
I suppose they could come up with a plan, but they never do, do they.
Wise of you not to attempt to deal with the concepts.
Well golly, you know.....you being the legend your mind tells you are...well....I am just terrified of you.
(rolling eyes)
Great, any other thought processes you'd care to share?
Why don't you show us your Democratic Socialist membership card?
Still no ideas to kick the tires on then?
Son you don't want to talk about the ACA with me, it's what I do.
I've been right about it from the beginning
Well golly, you know.....you being the legend your mind tells you are...well....I am just terrified of you.
(rolling eyes)
Great, any other thought processes you'd care to share?
Why don't you show us your Democratic Socialist membership card?
Still no ideas to kick the tires on then?
Son you don't want to talk about the ACA with me, it's what I do.
I've been right about it from the beginning
Well I reckon we'll all just have to take your anonymous word for that. The ACA isn't all that different from what we've always had; big money corporate big pharma and health insurance industry lobbyists and lawyers in charge of our healthcare decisions, in between us and our doctors. The end result was pretty forseeable, all the caterwauling is merely the bickering of various factions of the arostocracy quarreling over turf and profit margins.
Seriously...I just don't get it.
What's wrong with letting women have it?
The argument that they shouldn't have it free doesn't fly. ACA includes a bunch of different free items: Preventive care benefits for adults - but I have yet to hear an argument against aspirin or vaccinations being offered and birth control is a relatively cheap thing to offer.
The Pill is, as of this time, the most reliable method of pregnancy prevention. Yes...abstinence itself works, but isn't realistic as few people stick with it and, frankly, why should they if the pill can offer a more reliable option if they don't want to be abstinent? There is a direct correlation between preventing unwanted pregnancies, particularly teens, and the availability of reliable contraception.
Who, exactly, is fighting against birth control?
It was Hobby Lobby that took it all the way to the Supreme Court about 4 years ago while the Reich wing cheered them on. Religious exemption--over a Prescription drug that is mandated to be paid for by insurers. Yet they rail against abortion at the same time. It's so hypocritical it's funny. Of course they had no problems paying for Viagra or other male enhancement drugs.
Of course you don't understand that no one is obligated to object to things simply because you think they should, or draw the same equivalencies you do. And certainly the idea of people being allowed to make individual choices that disagree with you simply because they believe differently than you do is TOTALLY beyond your comprehension.
Try this on for size, Sparky: Hobby Lobby's owners do not have to justify their beliefs to you, nor earn your permission to act on their beliefs. And you're damned right they went to the Supreme Court to defend their right not to be mandated by the government to do something contrary to their beliefs, which - as previously mentioned - they do not have to justify to you.
And that is exactly the position others are taking to you, that's all, please do try that on as well.
I agree Rustic. Before Obama care the individual had a choice in the matter. So if they opted in, and that program included BC, so be it. If you didn't like it, you could drop the plan. I myself always opted to pay out of pocket, and in the long run saved a lot of money. But now with healthcare programs being mandatory I get a lot more opinionated when parasitic lefties, want to add frivolous expenses to us all. Especially in this case where there are countless free alternatives.I have never bought insurance in my life, because I don't need it neither does my family. Any type of mandatory insurance is legalized extortion... fact
You guys are really on to something, I think most americans would rather be out there with no healthcare coverage, paying out of their own pockets on their own.
I'm hoping that's what Trump and the Republican party have in mind for the american people.
Yes, those are the only choices: have absolutely no insurance coverage, or submit to the federal government micromanaging your healthcare. There is no in-between.
Grow up, please.
I suppose they could come up with a plan, but they never do, do they.
Once again, Marie Antoinette, it might be time for you to descend from your tower and connect with the real world where the rabble live.
What argument?It's much more fun to shove a knife into the back of a baby's head, than to take a pill or use a rubber.Seriously...I just don't get it.
What's wrong with letting women have it?
The argument that they shouldn't have it free doesn't fly. ACA includes a bunch of different free items: Preventive care benefits for adults - but I have yet to hear an argument against aspirin or vaccinations being offered and birth control is a relatively cheap thing to offer.
The Pill is, as of this time, the most reliable method of pregnancy prevention. Yes...abstinence itself works, but isn't realistic as few people stick with it and, frankly, why should they if the pill can offer a more reliable option if they don't want to be abstinent? There is a direct correlation between preventing unwanted pregnancies, particularly teens, and the availability of reliable contraception.
Can't figure out why you're not winning this argument with the american public.
Great, any other thought processes you'd care to share?
Why don't you show us your Democratic Socialist membership card?
Still no ideas to kick the tires on then?
Son you don't want to talk about the ACA with me, it's what I do.
I've been right about it from the beginning
Well I reckon we'll all just have to take your anonymous word for that. The ACA isn't all that different from what we've always had; big money corporate big pharma and health insurance industry lobbyists and lawyers in charge of our healthcare decisions, in between us and our doctors. The end result was pretty forseeable, all the caterwauling is merely the bickering of various factions of the arostocracy quarreling over turf and profit margins.
I don't care whether you take my word or not.
Oh yes, and it's "aristocracy".
As Far as the ACA goes, the genie is out of the bag on this and it won't go back in.
What is coming is a Medicare type plan for all.
What argument?It's much more fun to shove a knife into the back of a baby's head, than to take a pill or use a rubber.Seriously...I just don't get it.
What's wrong with letting women have it?
The argument that they shouldn't have it free doesn't fly. ACA includes a bunch of different free items: Preventive care benefits for adults - but I have yet to hear an argument against aspirin or vaccinations being offered and birth control is a relatively cheap thing to offer.
The Pill is, as of this time, the most reliable method of pregnancy prevention. Yes...abstinence itself works, but isn't realistic as few people stick with it and, frankly, why should they if the pill can offer a more reliable option if they don't want to be abstinent? There is a direct correlation between preventing unwanted pregnancies, particularly teens, and the availability of reliable contraception.
Can't figure out why you're not winning this argument with the american public.
2016 Abortion Death Toll Statistics for USA
As Far as the ACA goes, the genie is out of the bag on this and it won't go back in.
What is coming is a Medicare type plan for all.
Oh, gloryosky. So looking forward to THAT. As someone who has worked with Medicare insurance billing, I can tell you that I'd rather be shot in the foot with a nail gun than have to actually have that as my health coverage.
Seriously...I just don't get it.
What's wrong with letting women have it?
The argument that they shouldn't have it free doesn't fly. ACA includes a bunch of different free items: Preventive care benefits for adults - but I have yet to hear an argument against aspirin or vaccinations being offered and birth control is a relatively cheap thing to offer.
The Pill is, as of this time, the most reliable method of pregnancy prevention. Yes...abstinence itself works, but isn't realistic as few people stick with it and, frankly, why should they if the pill can offer a more reliable option if they don't want to be abstinent? There is a direct correlation between preventing unwanted pregnancies, particularly teens, and the availability of reliable contraception.
Who, exactly, is fighting against birth control?
It was Hobby Lobby that took it all the way to the Supreme Court about 4 years ago while the Reich wing cheered them on. Religious exemption--over a Prescription drug that is mandated to be paid for by insurers. Yet they rail against abortion at the same time. It's so hypocritical it's funny. Of course they had no problems paying for Viagra or other male enhancement drugs.
Of course you don't understand that no one is obligated to object to things simply because you think they should, or draw the same equivalencies you do. And certainly the idea of people being allowed to make individual choices that disagree with you simply because they believe differently than you do is TOTALLY beyond your comprehension.
Try this on for size, Sparky: Hobby Lobby's owners do not have to justify their beliefs to you, nor earn your permission to act on their beliefs. And you're damned right they went to the Supreme Court to defend their right not to be mandated by the government to do something contrary to their beliefs, which - as previously mentioned - they do not have to justify to you.
And that is exactly the position others are taking to you, that's all, please do try that on as well.
No, Chuckles, the position others are taking is, "We believe this, and we're right, so do what we say and shut up!"
And I won't be "trying that on" any time soon. I'm not a leftist, and I feel no need to rob people or subjugate them.
I agree Rustic. Before Obama care the individual had a choice in the matter. So if they opted in, and that program included BC, so be it. If you didn't like it, you could drop the plan. I myself always opted to pay out of pocket, and in the long run saved a lot of money. But now with healthcare programs being mandatory I get a lot more opinionated when parasitic lefties, want to add frivolous expenses to us all. Especially in this case where there are countless free alternatives.
You guys are really on to something, I think most americans would rather be out there with no healthcare coverage, paying out of their own pockets on their own.
I'm hoping that's what Trump and the Republican party have in mind for the american people.
Yes, those are the only choices: have absolutely no insurance coverage, or submit to the federal government micromanaging your healthcare. There is no in-between.
Grow up, please.
I suppose they could come up with a plan, but they never do, do they.
Once again, Marie Antoinette, it might be time for you to descend from your tower and connect with the real world where the rabble live.
Where is the republican plan again?
As Far as the ACA goes, the genie is out of the bag on this and it won't go back in.
What is coming is a Medicare type plan for all.
Oh, gloryosky. So looking forward to THAT. As someone who has worked with Medicare insurance billing, I can tell you that I'd rather be shot in the foot with a nail gun than have to actually have that as my health coverage.
As Far as the ACA goes, the genie is out of the bag on this and it won't go back in.
What is coming is a Medicare type plan for all.
Oh, gloryosky. So looking forward to THAT. As someone who has worked with Medicare insurance billing, I can tell you that I'd rather be shot in the foot with a nail gun than have to actually have that as my health coverage.
More to the point, you don't want anyone to have access.
If you have any health insurance at all you are constantly paying for other people's shit just as they do yours. That is in fact the point, shared cost across the group.
No, the POINT is that BECAUSE it's shared coverage, you don't get to simply demand that those others give you what you want and sit down and shut up if they don't agree with you.
That's exactly the power we turn over to corporate power, we just have a different reaction when it's more closely linked to a "govt" plan. You have no say over any of that in an employer based plan.
Yes, actually, I do.
If I do not like the plan/s offered by my employer, I have the option of purchasing insurance privately. I also have the option of finding an employer who offers benefits more to my liking. But where do I go to get away from the federal government? More to the point, where does my employer go to get away from a federal government mandating that they will participate in things they don't want to?
Any and all compensation arrangements between an employer and employee are private and voluntary (or should be). The government, on the other hand, is a monolith everyone is stuck with which pays increasingly less and less attention to what individuals want. So yes, we react very differently to the government than to businesses, because government and business are two very different entities.
How many jobs you have you left because the employer plan offered birth control? How many times have you rejected an employer plan to go it alone because birth control was on the plan? How many employer plans have you switched over to beacuse those plans refused birth control inclusion again? Haven't we just elected a president who will rip out "Obama"care?
Exactly.
And there is no difference between tour federal govt and concentrated corporate wealth and power.
What part of "I have no personal problem with birth control" are you not understanding when I keep saying it?
I have never left an employer over birth control, because . . . let me type this slowly for you . . . I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH BIRTH CONTROL. I have left a few employers because I did not agree with their policies, which extended to and included their insurance coverage and benefits.
Who, exactly, is fighting against birth control?
It was Hobby Lobby that took it all the way to the Supreme Court about 4 years ago while the Reich wing cheered them on. Religious exemption--over a Prescription drug that is mandated to be paid for by insurers. Yet they rail against abortion at the same time. It's so hypocritical it's funny. Of course they had no problems paying for Viagra or other male enhancement drugs.
Of course you don't understand that no one is obligated to object to things simply because you think they should, or draw the same equivalencies you do. And certainly the idea of people being allowed to make individual choices that disagree with you simply because they believe differently than you do is TOTALLY beyond your comprehension.
Try this on for size, Sparky: Hobby Lobby's owners do not have to justify their beliefs to you, nor earn your permission to act on their beliefs. And you're damned right they went to the Supreme Court to defend their right not to be mandated by the government to do something contrary to their beliefs, which - as previously mentioned - they do not have to justify to you.
And that is exactly the position others are taking to you, that's all, please do try that on as well.
No, Chuckles, the position others are taking is, "We believe this, and we're right, so do what we say and shut up!"
And I won't be "trying that on" any time soon. I'm not a leftist, and I feel no need to rob people or subjugate them.
You all sound alike to me.
As Far as the ACA goes, the genie is out of the bag on this and it won't go back in.
What is coming is a Medicare type plan for all.
Oh, gloryosky. So looking forward to THAT. As someone who has worked with Medicare insurance billing, I can tell you that I'd rather be shot in the foot with a nail gun than have to actually have that as my health coverage.
All the same though, the coverage is very popular and the plans themselves work.
The plan that I believe is going to be the up and comer is Plan N.
It was Hobby Lobby that took it all the way to the Supreme Court about 4 years ago while the Reich wing cheered them on. Religious exemption--over a Prescription drug that is mandated to be paid for by insurers. Yet they rail against abortion at the same time. It's so hypocritical it's funny. Of course they had no problems paying for Viagra or other male enhancement drugs.
Of course you don't understand that no one is obligated to object to things simply because you think they should, or draw the same equivalencies you do. And certainly the idea of people being allowed to make individual choices that disagree with you simply because they believe differently than you do is TOTALLY beyond your comprehension.
Try this on for size, Sparky: Hobby Lobby's owners do not have to justify their beliefs to you, nor earn your permission to act on their beliefs. And you're damned right they went to the Supreme Court to defend their right not to be mandated by the government to do something contrary to their beliefs, which - as previously mentioned - they do not have to justify to you.
And that is exactly the position others are taking to you, that's all, please do try that on as well.
No, Chuckles, the position others are taking is, "We believe this, and we're right, so do what we say and shut up!"
And I won't be "trying that on" any time soon. I'm not a leftist, and I feel no need to rob people or subjugate them.
You all sound alike to me.
Possibly you should consider taking off the headphones blasting Obama speeches into your ears, then, so that you can hear us more clearly.
Might help to take your brain out of the shrink-wrap and plug it in, as well. Just a suggestion.
