Why The Left Loves Socialism

[francoHFW]

Just an most excellent form of liberal socialist planning, and merely and simply using capitalism, for all of its worth:

To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries:

wtf are you talking about? the airplane was not an example of liberal socialist planning, neither was any of the things I mentioned. my god you are strupid

It Only seems that way to you, because you have lousy reading comprehension.

To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries:

Just liberal socialism, at its capital finest.

I am sorry, but you are a fucking idiot. I tried to be civil but man you are just too damned stupid to play nice with.

Intellectual property rights have nothing to do with liberalism or socialism, in fact private property rights are a hallmark of capitalism and freedom.

yet, you claim i am the one who is an, "idiot". Our Founding Fathers wrote our social Contract and provide the rationale for it, like good liberal socialists do:

To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries:

you can call them socialists all you want, but real socialists say inventions are community property. Classical liberals, libertarians like the founding fathers, are for strong property rights.

Those are COMMUNISTS, dingbat dupe.

 

[danielpalos]

Yes, liberal socialists try to use capitalism, for all of its worth. unlike national socialists on the fantastical, right wing.

the fanatical left wing wants to abolish capitalism

liberal socialists try to use capitalism, for all of its worth.

unlike national socialists on the fantastical, right wing.

as if the phrase 'all it's worth' actually means anything, empty platitudes are not profound, you are not just a hand waver, you are really bad at it.

Liberals are not fond of capitalism and economic freedom, period. You are trying to make up some sort of lame bullshit about the virtues of leftists and their 'enlightened' use of capitalism.

Our Founding Fathers, showed us the way. Only the national socialist, right wing, never gets it.

that's right dumbfuck, repeat your lies enough times and you'll actually believe them, gotta love the american left and their religion

just national socialist revisionism? what lies. i haven't resorted to fallacy, unlike You.

 

[danielpalos]

Only in your right wing fantasy. It doesn't matter when government was created. Government must be a form of socialism to the extent this is necessary:

Nothing is more certain than the indispensable necessity of government, and it is equally undeniable, that whenever and however it is instituted, the people must cede to it some of their natural rights in order to vest it with requisite powers.--The Federalist Number Two

that IS social-ism.

You are presenting the very valid argument for a Federalist REPUBLICAN form of Government... NOT Socialism. Again, you are operating on a misconception of what Socialism IS. It is easy to draw your conclusions when you ignorantly believe ALL Government IS Socialism... or Social-ism. It's simply not and logic slaps you in your silly ignorant face repeatedly. Apparently, you enjoy that sort of thing.

Just lousy reading comprehension? I read dictionaries to understand encyclopedias. the right wing, gets their complete and entire understanding of this topic, from a dictionary.

this is the Social-ism part; it applies to any government via a social Contract. it is Social-ism.

I don't care if you're using a dictionary, encyclopedia or whatever resource, you can't make an irrational and illogical argument. You're trying to argue that ALL government is "socialist" because it involves social contract. That's false. It does not become true because you stomp your feet and insist it's true for page after page on a message board.

I'm sorry... we can get you a jello cup if that makes you feel better. You're not going to be allowed to establish your own truth here based on your ignorance.

the people must cede to it some of their natural rights in order to vest it with requisite powers.

This is a quote from John Jay in Federalist 2 and it doesn't make us Socialists. Jay and other framers understood that individual liberty and free market capitalism was ineffective in dealing with certain aspects of a civil society because the incentives were all wrong. This is why I often speak of our Free Market Capitalist System. It's more than simply free market capitalism. A system is a collection of things working together. In our system, there is free market capitalism, free enterprise, private property rights, individual liberty, a constitution (our social contract) which outlines enumerated powers of a federal government and guarantees protection of our inalienable rights endowed by our Creator. Again... this is NOT Socialism.

Now, some people might think, if Marx and Engels had been around a generation or two earlier, perhaps the framers would have adopted a Socialist form of government for the United States. But the fact is, the ideas of socialism were around from the days of antiquity and Plato. Even Thomas Paine advocated public ownership of property. So these ideas were very definitely being tossed around during our founding. They didn't call it "Socialism" at the time, they had other words for it, but the idea was out there. So why didn't our framers adopt it? Why did they fight vociferously for individual liberty and private property ownership? Why did they intentionally establish a small limited Federal government with enumerated powers? Why did they give us a representative republican form of government instead of a social communal democratic government? Why was democracy so feared by the framers that the word isn't even included in the Constitution? It's not just a convenient coincidence.

We don't have a free market system and never have. All you have is a fallacy of false Cause.

Government is Socialism. How can it not be.

Can you name One true command economy that doesn't have Government?

If not, the socialism is government. A private sector is about free enterprise.

 

[danielpalos]

wtf are you talking about? the airplane was not an example of liberal socialist planning, neither was any of the things I mentioned. my god you are strupid

It Only seems that way to you, because you have lousy reading comprehension.

To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries:

Just liberal socialism, at its capital finest.

I am sorry, but you are a fucking idiot. I tried to be civil but man you are just too damned stupid to play nice with.

Intellectual property rights have nothing to do with liberalism or socialism, in fact private property rights are a hallmark of capitalism and freedom.

yet, you claim i am the one who is an, "idiot". Our Founding Fathers wrote our social Contract and provide the rationale for it, like good liberal socialists do:

To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries:

you can call them socialists all you want, but real socialists say inventions are community property. Classical liberals, libertarians like the founding fathers, are for strong property rights.

Those are COMMUNISTS, dingbat dupe.

the national socialist right wing can't tell the difference; they get their "encyclopedic" learning, from a dictionary.

 

[Boss]

We don't have a free market system and never have. All you have is a fallacy of false Cause.

Government is Socialism. How can it not be.

Can you name One true command economy that doesn't have Government?

If not, the socialism is government. A private sector is about free enterprise.

Yes, we DO have a free market system, always have and always will unless you change our Constitution. Governments can be Socialist but ALL Government is not Socialism. That has been explained to you several times now in numerous ways but you insist on remaining ignorant and continuing to make an irrational argument.

 

[danielpalos]

We don't have a free market system and never have. All you have is a fallacy of false Cause.

Government is Socialism. How can it not be.

Can you name One true command economy that doesn't have Government?

If not, the socialism is government. A private sector is about free enterprise.

Yes, we DO have a free market system, always have and always will unless you change our Constitution. Governments can be Socialist but ALL Government is not Socialism. That has been explained to you several times now in numerous ways but you insist on remaining ignorant and continuing to make an irrational argument.

You still don't know what you are talking about. Even (special) Ed. recognizes we have a central bank and that capitalism died in 1929.

Can you name One true command economy that doesn't have Government?

If not, then social-ism is government. A private sector is about free enterprise.

any diversion will prove me right.

 

[Boss]

Repeat yourself one more time and you're going to make my Ignore List.

 

[danielpalos]

Repeat yourself one more time and you're going to make my Ignore List.

i am right. you have nothing but fallacy.

 

[Boss]

Repeat yourself one more time and you're going to make my Ignore List.

i am right. you have nothing but fallacy.

That's funny since you are the one who has presented a logical fallacy and want to have an argument based on it. And let me again point out, the purpose of this thread is not to define what Socialism is. It is to discuss why some people embrace Socialism. If you have something to offer with regard to that topic, feel free to do so. I am not going to respond further to your inane and banal argument which has no rational basis.

 

[RASTAMEN]

I liked being in a socialist organization, the military...

Except the military is not a socialist organization.

Sorry... it's just NOT.

Not true. The military is the hardest working socialist-welfare organization in the entire Nation.

 

[danielpalos]

Repeat yourself one more time and you're going to make my Ignore List.

i am right. you have nothing but fallacy.

That's funny since you are the one who has presented a logical fallacy and want to have an argument based on it. And let me again point out, the purpose of this thread is not to define what Socialism is. It is to discuss why some people embrace Socialism. If you have something to offer with regard to that topic, feel free to do so. I am not going to respond further to your inane and banal argument which has no rational basis.

which logical fallacy was that? I know i did not resort to any fallacy and that you are just resorting to diversion, red herrings, and other forms of fallacies; simply because,

you are clueless and Causeless.

 

[danielpalos]

I liked being in a socialist organization, the military...

Except the military is not a socialist organization.

Sorry... it's just NOT.

Not true. The military is the hardest working socialist-welfare organization in the entire Nation.

our military is practical socialism.

 

[RASTAMEN]

Repeat yourself one more time and you're going to make my Ignore List.

i am right. you have nothing but fallacy.

That's funny since you are the one who has presented a logical fallacy and want to have an argument based on it. And let me again point out, the purpose of this thread is not to define what Socialism is. It is to discuss why some people embrace Socialism. If you have something to offer with regard to that topic, feel free to do so. I am not going to respond further to your inane and banal argument which has no rational basis.

Are you and your ilk implying the U.S. military is not a socialist welfare institution???

 

[RASTAMEN]

Socialism has never worked....and never will. Econ 101

Wrong!!!! Socialism works for the 1 percent and America's military.

 

[NCC1701]

the fanatical left wing wants to abolish capitalism

liberal socialists try to use capitalism, for all of its worth.

unlike national socialists on the fantastical, right wing.

as if the phrase 'all it's worth' actually means anything, empty platitudes are not profound, you are not just a hand waver, you are really bad at it.

Liberals are not fond of capitalism and economic freedom, period. You are trying to make up some sort of lame bullshit about the virtues of leftists and their 'enlightened' use of capitalism.

Our Founding Fathers, showed us the way. Only the national socialist, right wing, never gets it.

that's right dumbfuck, repeat your lies enough times and you'll actually believe them, gotta love the american left and their religion

All the lies are on the New BS GOP side, dupe. See sig. What happened to lock her up and Clintons the murderers and pedophiles news? Obama the dictator etc etc? What a pile of steaming bs...thanks Faux, Rush, Heritage etc etc etc. The more you listen, the less you know. "God Save the (greedy idiot GOP) Rich!"

I am not a GOPer, but the lies of the left are far worse than the lies of the right, and they have more. You are a lefty hack who only wants to see one side

 

[NCC1701]

Repeat yourself one more time and you're going to make my Ignore List.

i am right. you have nothing but fallacy.

That's funny since you are the one who has presented a logical fallacy and want to have an argument based on it. And let me again point out, the purpose of this thread is not to define what Socialism is. It is to discuss why some people embrace Socialism. If you have something to offer with regard to that topic, feel free to do so. I am not going to respond further to your inane and banal argument which has no rational basis.

Are you and your ilk implying the U.S. military is not a socialist welfare institution???

I am implying it, because they are not.

 

[RASTAMEN]

Repeat yourself one more time and you're going to make my Ignore List.

i am right. you have nothing but fallacy.

That's funny since you are the one who has presented a logical fallacy and want to have an argument based on it. And let me again point out, the purpose of this thread is not to define what Socialism is. It is to discuss why some people embrace Socialism. If you have something to offer with regard to that topic, feel free to do so. I am not going to respond further to your inane and banal argument which has no rational basis.

Are you and your ilk implying the U.S. military is not a socialist welfare institution???

I am implying it, because they are not.

Tax payers make the military possible! The priviate sector doesn't spend one nickle on our military.

 

[RASTAMEN]

Our Founding Fathers, showed us the way. Only the national socialist, right wing, never gets it.

that's right dumbfuck, repeat your lies enough times and you'll actually believe them, gotta love the american left and their religion

All the lies are on the New BS GOP side, dupe. See sig. What happened to lock her up and Clintons the murderers and pedophiles news? Obama the dictator etc etc? What a pile of steaming bs...thanks Faux, Rush, Heritage etc etc etc. The more you listen, the less you know. "God Save the (greedy idiot GOP) Rich!"

I am not a GOPer, but the lies of the left are far worse than the lies of the right, and they have more. You are a lefty hack who only wants to see one side

Blah Blah.......SHUT UP.

wow, such intellectual firepower, whatever will I do?

Prove/show the board members that the military as an institution and military members are not socialist! Active duty, vets and retirees are socialist; including theirs wives and children!

 

[NCC1701]

Repeat yourself one more time and you're going to make my Ignore List.

i am right. you have nothing but fallacy.

That's funny since you are the one who has presented a logical fallacy and want to have an argument based on it. And let me again point out, the purpose of this thread is not to define what Socialism is. It is to discuss why some people embrace Socialism. If you have something to offer with regard to that topic, feel free to do so. I am not going to respond further to your inane and banal argument which has no rational basis.

Are you and your ilk implying the U.S. military is not a socialist welfare institution???

I am implying it, because they are not.

Tax payers make the military possible! The priviate sector doesn't spend one nickle on our military.

that does not make it social welfare idiot

 

[NCC1701]

that's right dumbfuck, repeat your lies enough times and you'll actually believe them, gotta love the american left and their religion

All the lies are on the New BS GOP side, dupe. See sig. What happened to lock her up and Clintons the murderers and pedophiles news? Obama the dictator etc etc? What a pile of steaming bs...thanks Faux, Rush, Heritage etc etc etc. The more you listen, the less you know. "God Save the (greedy idiot GOP) Rich!"

I am not a GOPer, but the lies of the left are far worse than the lies of the right, and they have more. You are a lefty hack who only wants to see one side

Blah Blah.......SHUT UP.

wow, such intellectual firepower, whatever will I do?

Prove/show the board members that the military as an institution and military members are not socialist! Active duty, vets and retirees are socialist; including theirs wives and children!

prove that they are, that includes me