Why was Hitler's Workers' Party called Right?

[surada]

I don't really care for, or about Wiki - there isn't a single primary source that would indicate - not even to mention proof, that Hitler was ever a member or in alliance with a socialist party.

Many parties at the time incorporated the term worker or social into their party name - in order to recruit nationalists or national motivated people away from socialist and communist parties.
Hitler was know for hating and detesting the aristocracy - it was the Weimar government (social democrats) that had taken away aristocratic privileges - and Hitler also wanted to take credit for that, hence branding them as the true capitalists - (being against the workers) - and the workers were his foremost prey - before the NSDAP became attractive to the bourgeoisie.

You're right. There were 30 different parties in Germany before Hitler. Mussolini also soured on Socialism and left the party around 1919.

 

[surada]

Hitler was never in alliance with a socialist party - he attended meetings of the German Workers’ Party in 1919 - to spy and inform his employer - the Reichswehr
In 1920 Hitler took over most of those party members and rebranded it NSDAP.

Hitler then formulated a 25 point program in 1920. The program would remain the Party’s only platform. Among its points, it rejected the Versailles settlement. It also demanded to unify all people of German “blood.” The program called for a Greater Germany ruled by a strong central state. The country was to acquire new lands and colonies. The program would deny citizenship and rights to all non-Germans, particularly Jews.

Are you sure of the date?

 

[luiza]

Finally I solved this paradox.

Hitler's "socialism" was a fiction. The First International was indeed right-wing, it was progressivism. The proletarians of the world united in the fight against corporations and sought ownership of the means of production.

The swastika was one of the symbols of this struggle. The proletariat was really right.
The swastika came from America in the roaring 20s, it had nothing to do with pan-Germanism and Prussianism. Apparently, Hitler was just a front for the behind-the-scenes struggle between the Prussians and the Americans.



The left wing of the Workers' Party was the opposite side. They defended the Marxist model, which was inherited from Von Bismarck's Junker socialism.

Apparently throughout WW2 there was a struggle and there was no single German National Socialism. Power was taken alternately by right and left. All the events of the war depended on which wing was in the Reichstag at the current moment.

More long winded rubbish It is Chapter one thatDeep State created and controlled both Right and Left to ensure an
uninterrupted win /win model .

 

[Kruska]

Are you sure of the date?

yes - very sure, also stated in countless books and websites - e.g.:

The Nazi Party

The National Socialist German Worker’s Party, also known as the Nazi Party, was the far-right racist and antisemitic political party led by Adolf Hitler.

encyclopedia.ushmm.org

 

[CarsomyrPlusSix]

Hitler was a centrist authoritarian.

If we have to put him on a side, he was center-left. The authoritarian part was much more important to him than the economic aspect of left vs right. He absolutely was not a free market guy - companies would make what he wanted when he wanted it or they would not exist.

In Nazi Germany, the state had absolute control over these private companies… are we really to make a grand distinction between this and the Soviets, where they would not allow the companies to exist, but they would create government institutions to have absolute control over the production?

The right is defined by our defense of free market capitalism. Tell me how Hitler was free market, do go on.

 

[Oddball]

Nationalism is reactionary and generally racist and conservative.

Uh-huh....That extremely nationalist CCP is soooooo ethnically diverse and right wing!

Nitwit.

 

[Kruska]

Hitler was a centrist authoritarian.

He was a maniacal dictator - that all

He absolutely was not a free market guy - companies would make what he wanted when he wanted it or they would not exist.

Wrong - Hitler never interfered in the economy or private run companies

In Nazi Germany, the state had absolute control over these private companies…

Wrong - even when Goebbels proclaimed total war - Speer never controlled private companies - his ministry simply coordinated resources and production of independent and privatly owned companies.

The right is defined by our defense of free market capitalism. Tell me how Hitler was free market, do go on.

Show me a source that would proof - that the NSDAP controlled the economy - aside from printing worthless money - do go on.

 

[Kruska]

Uh-huh....That extremely nationalist CCP is soooooo ethnically diverse and right wing!

Nitwit.

The CPC is factually a Fascist setup - one party system - no racial doctrine - the free-market economy controlled by the government - and social oriented.

 

[Oddball]

The CPC is factually a Fascist setup - one party system - no racial doctrine - the free-market economy controlled by the government - and social oriented.

Yeah, and...?

 

[marvin martian]

Finally I solved this paradox.

Hitler's "socialism" was a fiction. The First International was indeed right-wing, it was progressivism. The proletarians of the world united in the fight against corporations and sought ownership of the means of production.

The swastika was one of the symbols of this struggle. The proletariat was really right.
The swastika came from America in the roaring 20s, it had nothing to do with pan-Germanism and Prussianism. Apparently, Hitler was just a front for the behind-the-scenes struggle between the Prussians and the Americans.



The left wing of the Workers' Party was the opposite side. They defended the Marxist model, which was inherited from Von Bismarck's Junker socialism.

Apparently throughout WW2 there was a struggle and there was no single German National Socialism. Power was taken alternately by right and left. All the events of the war depended on which wing was in the Reichstag at the current moment.

No one called Hitler's party right-wing until his fellow left-wingers in America started implementing the same policies. Then they had to run cover.

 

[Oddball]

Wrong - Hitler never interfered in the economy or private run companies

Google "Junkers aircraft", ignoramus.

Wrong - even when Goebbels proclaimed total war - Speer never controlled private companies - his ministry simply coordinated resources and production of independent and privatly owned companies.

"Privately owned" like Raytheon, where their near-exclusive "customer" is The State.

Show me a source that would proof - that the NSDAP controlled the economy - aside from printing worthless money - do go on.

The point of a one-party state is to control the economy with the fraudulent veneer of "democracy", fool.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Stalin was a great scoundrel, yes.

 

[Stryder50]

There were. Most conservatives and businessmen gave reluctant support to the Nazis.

Watch the movie "Shindler's List" to get an accurate perspective on the economic conditions once Hitler/NSDAP gained full power and control of Germany. One had to join the party and "go along" if they wanted to continue to remain in business. Business which increasingly was government contracts and/or government directed.

 

[Stryder50]

It gets even better: various U.S. businesses were working with the Nazis even during the war.

Also, the Nazis got several of their ideas from the U.S.

What America Taught the Nazis

In the 1930s, the Germans were fascinated by the global leader in legal racism—the United States.

www.theatlantic.com

You can see similar contradictions today.

More a case of many businesses/corporations having become more international by then, with branches in many countries. Coca-Cola,Standard Oil, RCA, etc. Facilities/branches inside nations where dictatorships had taken control lost any autonomy or full control/influence by the parent company/corporation.

 

[Stryder50]

The reactionary regressives are gaslighting normal people here.

Hitler killed the socialists and homosexuals in the SA. He killed German communists, socialists, and democratic socialists. He killed Jews, opponents, Gypsies, gays, and on and on and on.

Our MAGA and extreme right would have loved him. Many do today.

Wrong! The reactionary regressives are the political Left in the USA, especially the AntiFa and BLM, etc.

 

[dudmuck]

No one called Hitler's party right-wing until his fellow left-wingers in America started implementing the same policies. Then they had to run cover.

Peter Frizsche's book "Germans into Nazis" refers to them as being on the right in several places. Its from 1998.

Also "Fascism a history" from Roger Eatwell published in 1997 says the same.

which books say Hitler is on the left?

 

[Stryder50]

I see you have studied the buzzword dictionary.

This is what it sounds like.



Now. Yes some Nazis came over. We grabbed some. Russia grabbed others. The most famous is Werner Von Braun. As far as people adapting to their ideals. Not so much.

At the same time the space program was pouring money at these former Nazi’s, we were passing the Civil Rights Act. Protecting the rights of Minorities instead of segregating and ostracizing them.

And if you study the history of NASA you see that Von Braun’s power peaked during Mercury. After that it continued to diminish as years and others became involved. By the time Apollo was in full swing the former Nazi’s were reduced to Technical work. Mostly around Huntsville.

But a lot of Foreign born people were involved in science based projects. In another thread I pointed out that Hitler’s desire for a Super-weapon was hamstring before it got going. Hitler ran the Jewish scientists out of the country thus eliminating his chances of making an Atomic Bomb. Those same scientists were instrumental in making the bomb for us.

When the Russians first orbited Sputnik, the response inside the USA's rocket program's and "missile men" was: "Looks like their German rocket scientists are better than our German rocket scientists." Of course, their was lot more nuance involved, as shown over the next twelve years plus of the USA Space Program exceeding that of the Soviets/Russia.

But German was advancing on many other science and technology fields during the war, and in the closing months, there was a scramble between the British, USA, and Russians to find and seize the R&D, production, and scientists~technicians that were involved in NAZI Germany's "Wonder Weapons" and other technologies, production methods, etc.

Some examples;

Field Information Agency, Technical​

Field Information Agency, Technical - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

...
Administratively, the story started in 1944, when the Combined Intelligence Objectives Subcommittee (CIOS), was organized in London by authority of the British and American chiefs of staff. The American membership of CIOS was represented by the War, Navy and State Departments, Army Air Forces, Foreign Economic Administration, Office of Strategic Services, and Office of Scientific and Research and Development. It was CIOS who organized the first teams of experts and started them toward predetermined objectives on the European continent. To make the most of the fact-finding thrusts, the Technical Industrial Intelligence Committee (TIIC) was organized in Washington. TIIC was under the joint chiefs of staff, and its job was to help government agencies get needed information as it was collected from the liberated countries.[8] CIOS folded up last July, along with SHAEF, and its functions were largely taken over by Field Information Agency, Technical (FIAT). TIIC, however, was still on the job, getting information from its own investigations from FIAT, and from a scattering of other sources. The TIIC was headed by Howland H. Sargeant, of the US Alien Properties Custodian
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Field Information Agency, Technical - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[DudleySmith]

It's meaningless to say whether National Socialism is Left or Right without defining the terms Left and Right.

They referred to themselves as 'Third Positionists', neither Right nor Left.

 

[Stryder50]

It's meaningless to say whether National Socialism is Left or Right without defining the terms Left and Right.

Here's a helpful site for doing that;

Advocates For Self-Government | World’s Smallest Political Quiz

Political ideas are more than “left” vs. “right." Take our fast and accurate quiz, tests, and surveys to discover your real political views.

www.theadvocates.org

The World's Smallest(Shortest~Quickest) Political Quiz;

The World’s Smallest Political Quiz

Discover your REAL political views with The World’s Smallest Political Quiz.

www.theadvocates.org

Ten basic questions on economic and social position places the participant on a grid known as the Nolan Chart;

 

[DudleySmith]

The association of Nazism with occultism occurs in a wide range of theories, speculation, and research into the origins of Nazism and into Nazism's possible relationship with various occult traditions.

It was just a ploy to replace Christianity in German society and culture with something more bloody and amoral. Christian theology is a threat to all kinds of sociopathic agendas. The Soviets just substituted The Party. Hitler and Himmler tried both paganism and The Party.