Why Wasn't This Done For The Liberian With Ebola?

[Ravi]

That is not proven. Sacra also received the experimental tkm-ebola, which Duncan opted not to take. None of the drugs, or transfusion are proven at this point. All we know is the victims given experimental drugs flown back here have survived, whether from zmapp, tkm-ebola, blood transfusion, or supportive measures with dehydration and nutrition, or even their own immune systems were resonsible, is all speculation at this point.
Two survived without blood transfusions. Branly and the missionary. They both received zmapp in Africa as soon as they developed their symptoms.

It does for me, here is the pertinent info from it-
WHO endorses blood transfusions to combat Ebola, despite skepticism
Health officials acknowledged that their support for blood transfusions was motivated by emotion as well as by science. Limited quantities of a tested vaccine will not be available until November at the earliest, and stocks of experimental drugs such as ZMapp may not be ready until next year.

"One of the things driving fear and panic in communities ... is the belief that there is no treatment for Ebola virus disease," said Marie-Paule Kieny, an assistant director-general at the United Nations' health agency. "We have to change the sense that there is no hope."

But to others, the move looked more like an act of desperation than a decision based on clinical evidence.

"It's an unproven therapy," said Dr. William Schaffner, an infectious disease specialist and professor at Vanderbilt University in Nashville. "It ought to be evaluated critically before we start investing huge amounts of money".

Link doesn't work.

But it apparently cured one person. In this experimental stage, it would seem prudent to try all remedies.

Where are people getting information on what Duncan opted not to take?

 

[depotoo]

I'm talking about the 2 doctors and missionary diagnosed in Africa and flown back here for treatment.
Blood transfusions, even matching types carry risks. If they don't match, you will most likely die. When they match youstill can have an allergic reaction, febrile reaction or even a transfusion induced lung injury.

Why didn't the others get a transfusion while in Liberia? Seems it would have been easiest there. There is a reason.

He hadn't come down with symptoms while he was there so how would that have worked?

Not to mention the medical care there is almost non-existent.

 

[depotoo]

Dallas Ebola patient on ventilator and receiving kidney dialysis
Liberian national Thomas Eric Duncan, the first person diagnosed with the deadly virus on U.S. soil, has also been given the experimental medication brincidofovir. A hospital in Nebraska said it is using the same drug to treat an American journalist who was airlifted from Liberia and arrived Monday.

Dallas Ebola Patient Not Receiving Experimental Treatment Right Now CDC Says
The already small supply of the experimental medicine ZMapp -- which was given to two other U.S. Ebola patients, Kent Brantly and Nancy Writebol -- has run out.

There is a second experimental option available for Duncan, but it "can be difficult to use and can make someone sicker initially," CDC Director Tom Frieden said on Sunday. Therefore, it's up to Duncan, his family and his treating physician whether to use this treatment, Frieden said.

Experimental treatments like ZMapp have not yet been proven to work in humans, but they have shown promise in animal studies, according to Frieden.

That is not proven. Sacra also received the experimental tkm-ebola, which Duncan opted not to take. None of the drugs, or transfusion are proven at this point. All we know is the victims given experimental drugs flown back here have survived, whether from zmapp, tkm-ebola, blood transfusion, or supportive measures with dehydration and nutrition, or even their own immune systems were resonsible, is all speculation at this point.
Two survived without blood transfusions. Branly and the missionary. They both received zmapp in Africa as soon as they developed their symptoms.

It does for me, here is the pertinent info from it-
WHO endorses blood transfusions to combat Ebola, despite skepticism
Health officials acknowledged that their support for blood transfusions was motivated by emotion as well as by science. Limited quantities of a tested vaccine will not be available until November at the earliest, and stocks of experimental drugs such as ZMapp may not be ready until next year.

"One of the things driving fear and panic in communities ... is the belief that there is no treatment for Ebola virus disease," said Marie-Paule Kieny, an assistant director-general at the United Nations' health agency. "We have to change the sense that there is no hope."

But to others, the move looked more like an act of desperation than a decision based on clinical evidence.

"It's an unproven therapy," said Dr. William Schaffner, an infectious disease specialist and professor at Vanderbilt University in Nashville. "It ought to be evaluated critically before we start investing huge amounts of money".

Link doesn't work.

But it apparently cured one person. In this experimental stage, it would seem prudent to try all remedies.

Where are people getting information on what Duncan opted not to take?

 

[Ravi]

Dallas Ebola patient on ventilator and receiving kidney dialysis
Liberian national Thomas Eric Duncan, the first person diagnosed with the deadly virus on U.S. soil, has also been given the experimental medication brincidofovir. A hospital in Nebraska said it is using the same drug to treat an American journalist who was airlifted from Liberia and arrived Monday.

Dallas Ebola Patient Not Receiving Experimental Treatment Right Now CDC Says
The already small supply of the experimental medicine ZMapp -- which was given to two other U.S. Ebola patients, Kent Brantly and Nancy Writebol -- has run out.

There is a second experimental option available for Duncan, but it "can be difficult to use and can make someone sicker initially," CDC Director Tom Frieden said on Sunday. Therefore, it's up to Duncan, his family and his treating physician whether to use this treatment, Frieden said.

Experimental treatments like ZMapp have not yet been proven to work in humans, but they have shown promise in animal studies, according to Frieden.

That is not proven. Sacra also received the experimental tkm-ebola, which Duncan opted not to take. None of the drugs, or transfusion are proven at this point. All we know is the victims given experimental drugs flown back here have survived, whether from zmapp, tkm-ebola, blood transfusion, or supportive measures with dehydration and nutrition, or even their own immune systems were resonsible, is all speculation at this point.
Two survived without blood transfusions. Branly and the missionary. They both received zmapp in Africa as soon as they developed their symptoms.

It does for me, here is the pertinent info from it-
WHO endorses blood transfusions to combat Ebola, despite skepticism
Health officials acknowledged that their support for blood transfusions was motivated by emotion as well as by science. Limited quantities of a tested vaccine will not be available until November at the earliest, and stocks of experimental drugs such as ZMapp may not be ready until next year.

"One of the things driving fear and panic in communities ... is the belief that there is no treatment for Ebola virus disease," said Marie-Paule Kieny, an assistant director-general at the United Nations' health agency. "We have to change the sense that there is no hope."

But to others, the move looked more like an act of desperation than a decision based on clinical evidence.

"It's an unproven therapy," said Dr. William Schaffner, an infectious disease specialist and professor at Vanderbilt University in Nashville. "It ought to be evaluated critically before we start investing huge amounts of money".

Link doesn't work.

But it apparently cured one person. In this experimental stage, it would seem prudent to try all remedies.

Where are people getting information on what Duncan opted not to take?

And yet he was being given the optional drug.

Dallas Ebola Patient Receives Experimental Drug

So he didn't opt out as you stated.

 

[depotoo]

He opted out of tkm-ebola. And then opted to try the Chimerix drug brincidofovir.

Dallas Ebola patient on ventilator and receiving kidney dialysis
Liberian national Thomas Eric Duncan, the first person diagnosed with the deadly virus on U.S. soil, has also been given the experimental medication brincidofovir. A hospital in Nebraska said it is using the same drug to treat an American journalist who was airlifted from Liberia and arrived Monday.

Dallas Ebola Patient Not Receiving Experimental Treatment Right Now CDC Says
The already small supply of the experimental medicine ZMapp -- which was given to two other U.S. Ebola patients, Kent Brantly and Nancy Writebol -- has run out.

There is a second experimental option available for Duncan, but it "can be difficult to use and can make someone sicker initially," CDC Director Tom Frieden said on Sunday. Therefore, it's up to Duncan, his family and his treating physician whether to use this treatment, Frieden said.

Experimental treatments like ZMapp have not yet been proven to work in humans, but they have shown promise in animal studies, according to Frieden.

That is not proven. Sacra also received the experimental tkm-ebola, which Duncan opted not to take. None of the drugs, or transfusion are proven at this point. All we know is the victims given experimental drugs flown back here have survived, whether from zmapp, tkm-ebola, blood transfusion, or supportive measures with dehydration and nutrition, or even their own immune systems were resonsible, is all speculation at this point.
Two survived without blood transfusions. Branly and the missionary. They both received zmapp in Africa as soon as they developed their symptoms.

It does for me, here is the pertinent info from it-
WHO endorses blood transfusions to combat Ebola, despite skepticism
Health officials acknowledged that their support for blood transfusions was motivated by emotion as well as by science. Limited quantities of a tested vaccine will not be available until November at the earliest, and stocks of experimental drugs such as ZMapp may not be ready until next year.

"One of the things driving fear and panic in communities ... is the belief that there is no treatment for Ebola virus disease," said Marie-Paule Kieny, an assistant director-general at the United Nations' health agency. "We have to change the sense that there is no hope."

But to others, the move looked more like an act of desperation than a decision based on clinical evidence.

"It's an unproven therapy," said Dr. William Schaffner, an infectious disease specialist and professor at Vanderbilt University in Nashville. "It ought to be evaluated critically before we start investing huge amounts of money".

But it apparently cured one person. In this experimental stage, it would seem prudent to try all remedies.

Where are people getting information on what Duncan opted not to take?

And yet he was being given the optional drug.

Dallas Ebola Patient Receives Experimental Drug

So he didn't opt out as you stated.

 

[Ravi]

I find nothing that states he opted out of any treatment offered.

 

[depotoo]

From post 43-

There is a second experimental option available for Duncan, but it "can be difficult to use and can make someone sicker initially," CDC Director Tom Frieden said on Sunday. Therefore, it's up to Duncan, his family and his treating physician whether to use this treatment, Frieden said.

I find nothing that states he opted out of any treatment offered.

 

[Ravi]

From post 43-

There is a second experimental option available for Duncan, but it "can be difficult to use and can make someone sicker initially," CDC Director Tom Frieden said on Sunday. Therefore, it's up to Duncan, his family and his treating physician whether to use this treatment, Frieden said.

I find nothing that states he opted out of any treatment offered.

And? Where is it written that any of them refused the treatment?

 

[Antares]

It was just stated this journalist has the same blood type as Brantley and this is in the experimental stage.
And why didn't you ask why Brantley didn't receive a blood transfusion.

Okay, why didn't Brantley receive a blood transfusion?

Why didn't Duncan?

Except it's quite probable that there is a survivor of ebola somewhere with his blood type.

You know you want to say it, go ahead.

 

[Marianne]

He died and it was said he was offered all available options there were. It was up to he and his family which he accepted. Unfortunately all the zmapp was sent to Africa. The other treatment Sacra received is a hard treatment for what his condition was, from what I read and he opted for the drug put out by Chimerex.

The limited supplies should be saved for US citizens.

It's really quite simple

Yes that's true but if he survives and blood transfusions help, it would be in the best interest of American citizens to have the blood of survivors from all blood types with the antibodies for Ebola in it. From a handful of people there might be a way to increase the change of beating the disease. It may be months before the drug that worked for the original survivors can be produced again.

I'

Why didn't Brantly? If you read my links you will see it is an emotional based decision by WHO-not scientific. And the obstacles are great in even getting the blood.

I asked the same question. I heard that the drug that the others took is gone and there won't be more of it produced for quite a while. Still I don't know why they couldn't have acquired blood from someone who has survived the disease that matches his blood type if there is one. Regardless he had a better chance of survival in the USA than in Liberia.


RIP Mr. Duncan.

There are natural survivors not just from this outbreak but from past outbreaks they could get the blood from. I don't know how scientific it is but it makes sense that if someone fought off the virus then the antibodies in their blood might be passed on by transfusion. Of course it would have to be screened for other diseases but it's worth a shot with a disease that has such a high mortality rate.

 

[depotoo]

Quit being obtuse. It said he was welcome to try it, he didn't, he tried the other drug instead.

From post 43-

There is a second experimental option available for Duncan, but it "can be difficult to use and can make someone sicker initially," CDC Director Tom Frieden said on Sunday. Therefore, it's up to Duncan, his family and his treating physician whether to use this treatment, Frieden said.

I find nothing that states he opted out of any treatment offered.

And? Where is it written that any of them refused the treatment?

 

[depotoo]

And the nurse that died in Spain had received a transfusion.

Y

He died and it was said he was offered all available options there were. It was up to he and his family which he accepted. Unfortunately all the zmapp was sent to Africa. The other treatment Sacra received is a hard treatment for what his condition was, from what I read and he opted for the drug put out by Chimerex.

The limited supplies should be saved for US citizens.

It's really quite simple

Yes that's true but if he survives and blood transfusions help, it would be in the best interest of American citizens to have the blood of survivors from all blood types with the antibodies for Ebola in it. From a handful of people there might be a way to increase the change of beating the disease. It may be months before the drug that worked for the original survivors can be produced again.

I'

Why didn't Brantly? If you read my links you will see it is an emotional based decision by WHO-not scientific. And the obstacles are great in even getting the blood.

I asked the same question. I heard that the drug that the others took is gone and there won't be more of it produced for quite a while. Still I don't know why they couldn't have acquired blood from someone who has survived the disease that matches his blood type if there is one. Regardless he had a better chance of survival in the USA than in Liberia.


RIP Mr. Duncan.

There are natural survivors not just from this outbreak but from past outbreaks they could get the blood from. I don't know how scientific it is but it makes sense that if someone fought off the virus then the antibodies in their blood might be passed on by transfusion. Of course it would have to be screened for other diseases but it's worth a shot with a disease that has such a high mortality rate.

 

[Marianne]

"The American journalist being treated in Nebraska for Ebola will receive a blood transfusion from a fellow Ebola survivor.

Ashoka Mukpo, 33, who was working in Liberia as a freelance photographer for NBC News, is scheduled to receive a blood transfusion Wednesday from Dr. Kent Brantly."

American journalist to receive blood transfusion from Ebola survivor Fox News

Oooh oooh let me guess let me guess?

Racism?

I'm not one to call racism but you have to ask why he didn't get the blood of one of the survivors. You don't find it odd? There is more than one survivor somebody's blood might have been a match.

I don't think it's racism. It would be really stupid to pass up a chance to cure someone and future someones because of racism. Even hard core racists aren't that stupid.

I don't know if it's racism, I certainly hope not. He did put the USA in a hard position. If he gets cured, how many ebola infected people might try to make it to the USA.? This guy caught it from his neighbor who was sick and he tried to get her to a hospital in Liberia but was turned away from two hospitals because there were no beds. He took her back home and she died by the end of the day. I doubt she would have made it anyway but at least someone tried to help her. I think that was the reason he got on the plane without telling anyone he was exposed. In Liberia it's would have been certain death, in the USA he had a chance.

 

[Antares]

"The American journalist being treated in Nebraska for Ebola will receive a blood transfusion from a fellow Ebola survivor.

Ashoka Mukpo, 33, who was working in Liberia as a freelance photographer for NBC News, is scheduled to receive a blood transfusion Wednesday from Dr. Kent Brantly."

American journalist to receive blood transfusion from Ebola survivor Fox News

Oooh oooh let me guess let me guess?

Racism?

I'm not one to call racism but you have to ask why he didn't get the blood of one of the survivors. You don't find it odd? There is more than one survivor somebody's blood might have been a match.

I don't think it's racism. It would be really stupid to pass up a chance to cure someone and future someones because of racism. Even hard core racists aren't that stupid.

I don't know if it's racism, I certainly hope not. He did put the USA in a hard position. If he gets cured, how many ebola infected people might try to make it to the USA.? This guy caught it from his neighbor who was sick and he tried to get her to a hospital in Liberia but was turned away from two hospitals because there were no beds. He took her back home and she died by the end of the day. I doubt she would have made it anyway but at least someone tried to help her. I think that was the reason he got on the plane without telling anyone he was exposed. In Liberia it's would have been certain death, in the USA he had a chance.

Ravi wants to call it racism so bad she can taste it.

 

[Ravi]

And the nurse that died in Spain had received a transfusion.

She hasn't died.

 

[Marianne]

"The American journalist being treated in Nebraska for Ebola will receive a blood transfusion from a fellow Ebola survivor.

Ashoka Mukpo, 33, who was working in Liberia as a freelance photographer for NBC News, is scheduled to receive a blood transfusion Wednesday from Dr. Kent Brantly."

American journalist to receive blood transfusion from Ebola survivor Fox News

Oooh oooh let me guess let me guess?

Racism?

I'm not one to call racism but you have to ask why he didn't get the blood of one of the survivors. You don't find it odd? There is more than one survivor somebody's blood might have been a match.

Who do you suggest pay for a world wide search for a survivor with the same blood type?

The WHO/UN or any other international group as if this becomes a pandemic it could wipe our whole populations; it's a global problem. Obviously they are having trouble containing this virus and the death rate high. Seems to me a call to all survivors though the media would be easy enough and would make sense for many people not just Mr. Duncan. Like I said there have been other outbreaks of Ebola and there have been survivors, we need to find them now.

 

[Ravi]

"The American journalist being treated in Nebraska for Ebola will receive a blood transfusion from a fellow Ebola survivor.

Ashoka Mukpo, 33, who was working in Liberia as a freelance photographer for NBC News, is scheduled to receive a blood transfusion Wednesday from Dr. Kent Brantly."

American journalist to receive blood transfusion from Ebola survivor Fox News

Oooh oooh let me guess let me guess?

Racism?

I'm not one to call racism but you have to ask why he didn't get the blood of one of the survivors. You don't find it odd? There is more than one survivor somebody's blood might have been a match.

I don't think it's racism. It would be really stupid to pass up a chance to cure someone and future someones because of racism. Even hard core racists aren't that stupid.

I don't know if it's racism, I certainly hope not. He did put the USA in a hard position. If he gets cured, how many ebola infected people might try to make it to the USA.? This guy caught it from his neighbor who was sick and he tried to get her to a hospital in Liberia but was turned away from two hospitals because there were no beds. He took her back home and she died by the end of the day. I doubt she would have made it anyway but at least someone tried to help her. I think that was the reason he got on the plane without telling anyone he was exposed. In Liberia it's would have been certain death, in the USA he had a chance.

I really can't imagine why anyone would be that racist. I also can't imagine a doctor would be that vindictive, but who knows.

 

[Marianne]

And the nurse that died in Spain had received a transfusion.

Y

He died and it was said he was offered all available options there were. It was up to he and his family which he accepted. Unfortunately all the zmapp was sent to Africa. The other treatment Sacra received is a hard treatment for what his condition was, from what I read and he opted for the drug put out by Chimerex.

The limited supplies should be saved for US citizens.

It's really quite simple

Yes that's true but if he survives and blood transfusions help, it would be in the best interest of American citizens to have the blood of survivors from all blood types with the antibodies for Ebola in it. From a handful of people there might be a way to increase the change of beating the disease. It may be months before the drug that worked for the original survivors can be produced again.

I'

Why didn't Brantly? If you read my links you will see it is an emotional based decision by WHO-not scientific. And the obstacles are great in even getting the blood.

I asked the same question. I heard that the drug that the others took is gone and there won't be more of it produced for quite a while. Still I don't know why they couldn't have acquired blood from someone who has survived the disease that matches his blood type if there is one. Regardless he had a better chance of survival in the USA than in Liberia.


RIP Mr. Duncan.

There are natural survivors not just from this outbreak but from past outbreaks they could get the blood from. I don't know how scientific it is but it makes sense that if someone fought off the virus then the antibodies in their blood might be passed on by transfusion. Of course it would have to be screened for other diseases but it's worth a shot with a disease that has such a high mortality rate.

Nobody said it was a cure all but if it increases the chance of survival wouldn't you want it if you were sick with Ebola?

 

[depotoo]

You are right. I was thinking of who she contracted it from.
Also, the drug he didn't take has had these serious side effects in healthy individuals-
. Early studies of TKM-Ebola in monkeys suggested it could block high doses of the Ebola virus. But on July 21, the company based in Vancouver, British Columbia, announced the FDA had halted a small dosing study of the drug in 28 healthy adults. The company said regulators had questions about a type of drug reaction that can cause nausea, chills, low blood pressure and shortness of breath.

Tekmira's CEO Mark Murray praised the FDA for modifying the restriction on Thursday.

FDA lifts hold on experimental Ebola drug TKM-Ebola from Tekmira - CBS News

I would assume a patient already in bad shape experiencing those symptoms would not have helped his survival.

And the nurse that died in Spain had received a transfusion.

She hasn't died.

 

[depotoo]

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