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Tipsy said:Why do people still believe Kyle's mother drove him to Kenosha?
That's true. MSM is pushing division on a scale that we have never seen now. Also, of note, the prosecution had a HD video of the scene but gave the regular video to the jury, which had way less clarity and there was a sharp distinction between the two. I believe the jury was able to finally look at the HD but the prosecution needs to charged with withholding crucial evidence. That could have swayed the jury to make the wrong decision.
Yes, the prosecution should at the very least be disbarred. Prison time is more appropriate though.
How is it that pepople are STILL stuck on this traveling interstate with a rifle when it DID NOT happen?If the law allows an immature 17 year old SWAT team wannabe to travel interstate with a loaded AR 15 assault rifle and openly carry it into a melee then there is something seriously wrong with the laws in the state of Wisconsin.
To me you lose your right to a self defense ruling when you place yourself in a riot like this with a loaded firearm.
The law needs to be changed.
And then there is the opening postOn the one hand you have right wingers that are glad that these people "got what they deserved"
And on the other you have people who realize that this kid went there with a gun with the intention of shooting people
That's pretty much it
Interesting. There are many philosophical distinctions about the meaning of “fair.” It is a shame that, in our common tongue, we can’t seem to agree on a common meaning of basic terms.that last sentence....interesting. Clearly leftists and right wingers see fairness, logic and justice in different ways.
There is a definite disagreement on the definition or the concept of fairness. How would one of our leftist brothers/sisters define 'fairness'.
It is the far right pushing division through the use of threats and violence. One of the victims was a medic who did have a gun. He should have used it to kill Rittenhouse. That would have been self-defense and he would still have his arm. It is the right who is making threats against liberal politicians and school boards. They clearly are the ones who are dividing us in a attempt to take over this country.
Oh you are absolutely correct.I agree that lefties are wired differently, and that they naturally come up with backwards thinking, but they also operate as a herd. If the MSM had been out to persecute and convict Kyle's attackers, lefties would have followed. If the MSM had presented the truth, lefties would have followed in lockstep.
The Rittenhouse jury was perfectly fair.Interesting. There are many philosophical distinctions about the meaning of “fair.” It is a shame that, in our common tongue, we can’t seem to agree on a common meaning of basic terms.
If we consider racial issues as a wedge, then I would agree with anyone who says: “if a different result for the same facts comes about on the basis of race, that would be unfair.” But just because many liberals here contend that a black person in Kyle’s exact situation would have been convicted, that doesn’t make it true.
“Fairness” does not and really cannot exist in a vacuum. It is very much fact dependent.
I’ve seen black defendants get acquitted. Even by largely white juries. Why? Because on a very regular basis, despite some shortcomings, the jury system tends to work. It may be imperfect. Injustices and miscarriages of Justice have occurred. But in the normal course of events, juries do what they’re asked to do. Be fair. Be impartial. Make reasonable findings of fact. Apply the fact findings to the law as instructed in the law. Then, render a verdict in accordance with the law and the presumption of innocence and the burden of proof.
Bingo....guilty of stupid? Yes. Guilty of murder? No.Depends on who you define are "wings".
Yes there were the FEW who painted Kyle as a saint. But there are MASSES that wanted him found guilty regardless of evidence.
Most conservatives, like myself, understand this was a very tragic and avoidable event. The kid was obviously in the wrong for carrying a loaded weapon and running around with it in such a high emotional atmosphere. We also know he was 17 years old. And therefore foolish.
He is guilty of stupidity, gross stupidity. But that has no bearing on whether he was guilty of murder.
Fortunately you can't be convicted for being stupid. You have to actually commit the crime, and be proven in court.
Those who don't believe this - are tyrannist.
backagain said:Interesting. There are many philosophical distinctions about the meaning of “fair.” It is a shame that, in our common tongue, we can’t seem to agree on a common meaning of basic terms.
If we consider racial issues as a wedge, then I would agree with anyone who says: “if a different result for the same facts comes about on the basis of race, that would be unfair.” But just because many liberals here contend that a black person in Kyle’s exact situation would have been convicted, that doesn’t make it true.
“Fairness” does not and really cannot exist in a vacuum. It is very much fact dependent.
I’ve seen black defendants get acquitted. Even by largely white juries. Why? Because on a very regular basis, despite some shortcomings, the jury system tends to work. It may be imperfect. Injustices and miscarriages of Justice have occurred. But in the normal course of events, juries do what they’re asked to do. Be fair. Be impartial. Make reasonable findings of fact. Apply the fact findings to the law as instructed in the law. Then, render a verdict in accordance with the law and the presumption of innocence and the burden of proof.
In case I wasn’t clear: I agree. Perfectly fair and willing to speak the truth. I am very proud of them.The Rittenhouse jury was perfectly fair.
If the law allows an immature 17 year old SWAT team wannabe to travel interstate with a loaded AR 15 assault rifle and openly carry it into a melee then there is something seriously wrong with the laws in the state of Wisconsin.
To me you lose your right to a self defense ruling when you place yourself in a riot like this with a loaded firearm.
The law needs to be changed.
The strong desire of many far left wing kooks is to take advantage of every possible ambiguity. They fight against any interpretation at odds with their desired outcome. Another way to derail the discussion.it's intention BackAgain You see the left changing definition all the time. Even the term equality is not the same as we think of as Equality. It's that marxist influence on regular left leaning people. They know not what they do.
you are constantly bent over spreading them for the SCUM demonRATS....how's that feel?Should I have turned the other cheek after what was said to me??? Not my style
if the law allows criminals like g. floyd to go on breaking the law, what good is the law?If the law allows an immature 17 year old SWAT team wannabe to travel interstate with a loaded AR 15 assault rifle and openly carry it into a melee then there is something seriously wrong with the laws in the state of Wisconsin.
To me you lose your right to a self defense ruling when you place yourself in a riot like this with a loaded firearm.
The law needs to be changed.
You win You're far more disgusting than I But I should have known You're a republicanyou are constantly bent over spreading them for the SCUM demonRATS....how's that feel?
