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Republican Syndrome: Oppositional Defiant Disorder
Symptoms of ODD may include:
frequent temper tantrums
excessive arguing with adults
active defiance and refusal to comply with adult requests and rules
deliberate attempts to annoy or upset people
blaming others for his or her mistakes or misbehavior
often being touchy or easily annoyed by others
frequent anger and resentment
mean and hateful talking when upset
seeking revenge
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-What's the problem? Well, to state the thing simply, Iraq did not attack us. We went to war preemptively, which, by definition, violates the Just War Doctrine. I could argue the points you made. But since I'm new here, I don't want to come off as a know it allPrinciples of the Just War
1.A just war can only be waged as a last resort. All non-violent options must be exhausted before the use of force can be justified.
2.A war is just only if it is waged by a legitimate authority. Even just causes cannot be served by actions taken by individuals or groups who do not constitute an authority sanctioned by whatever the society and outsiders to the society deem legitimate.
3.A just war can only be fought to redress a wrong suffered. For example, self-defense against an armed attack is always considered to be a just cause (although the justice of the cause is not sufficient--see point #4). Further, a just war can only be fought with "right" intentions: the only permissible objective of a just war is to redress the injury.
4.A war can only be just if it is fought with a reasonable chance of success. Deaths and injury incurred in a hopeless cause are not morally justifiable.
5.The ultimate goal of a just war is to re-establish peace. More specifically, the peace established after the war must be preferable to the peace that would have prevailed if the war had not been fought.
6.The violence used in the war must be proportional to the injury suffered. States are prohibited from using force not necessary to attain the limited objective of addressing the injury suffered.
7.The weapons used in war must discriminate between combatants and non-combatants. Civilians are never permissible targets of war, and every effort must be taken to avoid killing civilians. The deaths of civilians are justified only if they are unavoidable victims of a deliberate attack on a military target.
*The board won't let me cite the URL: "You are only allowed to post URLs to other sites after you have made 15 posts or more."
well # 1 was meet when Blix stated on 1-27-2003 Saddam still had 6500 munitions, 8000 liters of anthrax and nerve gas after 10 years of resolutions
#2 was meet, the US congress did just that 10-2002
#3 was meet, see #1
#4 has been meet, a man who had killed 1 million Iraqis and would not adhere to Un resolutions is gone, a republic took its place, Improvement? night and day
#5, peace is established, far fewer people are being murdered in Iraq than here. If you claim there is no peace in Iraq then what is it we have here?
#6 okay, done
#7 Did a good job there also
whats the problem?
you see there is 1/2 of the truth there to your 1/2. Everything i have said is true
what surplus? that in the late 90s the GOP congress gave us?
big deficits came with big democratic elections
you got some proof to back up that claim about links to Iran after yesterday?
who is not working with China?
I am going to tell you again kid
chill out
the name calling is pre school, no-one will ever take you serious. (The word you're looking for here is "seriously" not serious.) if your worried about this countries (The word here would be countrys' not countries - which means more than one country. Is English your first language? If not, I understand these simple mistakes and am happy to help with this. I'm a helper! It's what I do. I help.)debt, Obama is your problem, not GWB (Yes. That would be why I am probably voting Romney in 2012. But I'm not so brain-washed that I can't see the mess Bush created. Only the sheeple follow that herders' belief)
Brain washed? can tell you this bud, Who ever brain washed me has allot more class than you do
Just because we dis agree does not make you have to say all those things you called me. and as far as those soldiers who died volunteering to fight a war so you could use there (The word is "their". Are you SURE we shouldn't be checking your papers?) sacrifice to make a point One of the things that I served in uniform to protect was the right to criticize my government. So you canif you don't like it. BTW, you've never criticized Obama's decisions concerning Afghanistan, Libya etc...? Good for you! You're special!
I would not do that if i was (The word is "were". Geez dude, how long have you lived here?)you, them (those) Marines take there (their)war business pretty seriously. I know. I played with them in Pendleton.
They did not go over there by choice so you can say they should not have been over there seems to me
but you go ahead and pretend that's your sacrifice to do what you want to with it, not I (um, this sentence makes sense to you, right? Must be a foreign thing...)
God bless all of them
Nice straw man. I state that the result of the Iraq war was not an over-all positive. You try to make it about Marines. People with weak points always try to change the subject.
So you threw the first volley and now you're getting emotional because I returned fire? Poor baby. What is that old saying about being able to dish it out?
I am chilled! What you seem unable to grasp is that the rest of us aren't angry - we're laughing at you
You're (or as your would put it "your") pretty entertaining. It's fun to see people actually buy into the bs fed to them by The Machine.
why is it you libs take all of this stuff so personal?
Change the subject? I am so tired of this subject
Whining, Crying, facts mean nothing. You served? good for you. that gives you a right to use that sacrifice those kids made any way you want to?
You want to know how I feel on this matter, start from the beginning
You want to talk to me like like man talks to another man, anytime, any day
Nice straw man. I state that the result of the Iraq war was not an over-all positive. You try to make it about Marines. People with weak points always try to change the subject.
So you threw the first volley and now you're getting emotional because I returned fire? Poor baby. What is that old saying about being able to dish it out?
I am chilled! What you seem unable to grasp is that the rest of us aren't angry - we're laughing at you
You're (or as your would put it "your") pretty entertaining. It's fun to see people actually buy into the bs fed to them by The Machine.
why is it you libs take all of this stuff so personal?
Change the subject? I am so tired of this subject
Whining, Crying, facts mean nothing. You served? good for you. that gives you a right to use that sacrifice those kids made any way you want to?
You want to know how I feel on this matter, start from the beginning
You want to talk to me like like man talks to another man, anytime, any day
"You Libs"
Most people define Liberal or Conservative based on someone's political views. Whackjobs?Definition: Anyone disagreeing with a whackjob on any issue.
Whining & Crying? You mean you? Well sweetheart, you're welcome to stop whining and crying any time you like.
I dealt in facts. You dodged them and tried changing the subject. Period. Lt's try direct questions and see if you keep dodging.
Do you claim the Iraq War didn't cost trillions?
Do you claim the Iraqis didn't refuse to spend their own money on rebuilding their country? That they didn't demand we continue spending our money and Bush caved?
Do you claim they didn't refuse to give us a shot right from the beginning at their oil contracts (from the rigs WE paid to rebuild) and gave them to China, our economic rival?
That their government has been deemed among the top 5 most corrupt in the world?
That they are not publicly aligning themselves with Iran and Syria?
Oops! Crap! Facts! Issues! Time for you to dodge, change the subject or Cut & Run...
Time for us to laugh when you do![]()
why is it you libs take all of this stuff so personal?
Change the subject? I am so tired of this subject
Whining, Crying, facts mean nothing. You served? good for you. that gives you a right to use that sacrifice those kids made any way you want to?
You want to know how I feel on this matter, start from the beginning
You want to talk to me like like man talks to another man, anytime, any day
"You Libs"
Most people define Liberal or Conservative based on someone's political views. Whackjobs?Definition: Anyone disagreeing with a whackjob on any issue.
Whining & Crying? You mean you? Well sweetheart, you're welcome to stop whining and crying any time you like.
I dealt in facts. You dodged them and tried changing the subject. Period. Lt's try direct questions and see if you keep dodging.
Do you claim the Iraq War didn't cost trillions?
Do you claim the Iraqis didn't refuse to spend their own money on rebuilding their country? That they didn't demand we continue spending our money and Bush caved?
Do you claim they didn't refuse to give us a shot right from the beginning at their oil contracts (from the rigs WE paid to rebuild) and gave them to China, our economic rival?
That their government has been deemed among the top 5 most corrupt in the world?
That they are not publicly aligning themselves with Iran and Syria?
Oops! Crap! Facts! Issues! Time for you to dodge, change the subject or Cut & Run...
Time for us to laugh when you do![]()
some where in your attack I missed your facts
the Iraq war and its real cost will never be known. No-one took the time to take off the monies we were spending in Saudi and Kuwait in military bases that are now closed as well as the funding the UN was getting dealing with that mess. 1 trillion is probably close
The rest of that crap means nothing to me, it has no bearing on what we went to war forI refuse to be dragged into a debate that I could care less about Yet you jumped in and started debating...
and yes your (again, English speakers use "you're")no different than every whining liberal I have ever been around, I have never met a true conservative who took this stuff personal
Adults find a place to agree to dis agree Disagree is one word. And yes I have done this often. The difference is your concept of agreeing to disagree is calling someone else a whining liberal, then saying they're wrong and none of their points are valid...)
I found it with this a long time ago
"You Libs"
Most people define Liberal or Conservative based on someone's political views. Whackjobs?Definition: Anyone disagreeing with a whackjob on any issue.
Whining & Crying? You mean you? Well sweetheart, you're welcome to stop whining and crying any time you like.
I dealt in facts. You dodged them and tried changing the subject. Period. Lt's try direct questions and see if you keep dodging.
Do you claim the Iraq War didn't cost trillions?
Do you claim the Iraqis didn't refuse to spend their own money on rebuilding their country? That they didn't demand we continue spending our money and Bush caved?
Do you claim they didn't refuse to give us a shot right from the beginning at their oil contracts (from the rigs WE paid to rebuild) and gave them to China, our economic rival?
That their government has been deemed among the top 5 most corrupt in the world?
That they are not publicly aligning themselves with Iran and Syria?
Oops! Crap! Facts! Issues! Time for you to dodge, change the subject or Cut & Run...
Time for us to laugh when you do![]()
some where in your attack I missed your facts
the Iraq war and its real cost will never be known. No-one took the time to take off the monies we were spending in Saudi and Kuwait in military bases that are now closed as well as the funding the UN was getting dealing with that mess. 1 trillion is probably close
The rest of that crap means nothing to me, it has no bearing on what we went to war forI refuse to be dragged into a debate that I could care less about Yet you jumped in and started debating...
and yes your (again, English speakers use "you're")no different than every whining liberal I have ever been around, I have never met a true conservative who took this stuff personal
Adults find a place to agree to dis agree Disagree is one word. And yes I have done this often. The difference is your concept of agreeing to disagree is calling someone else a whining liberal, then saying they're wrong and none of their points are valid...)
I found it with this a long time ago
So you come here claiming the Iraq war was a success. I dispute that and give me reasons why. You change the subject and then start whining. Then you are presented with facts showing that anything that might be defined as a "Success" in IRaq, has ended up in the opposite.
And as I predicted, you dodge the facts and now declare you will Cut & Run from them. Yeah. That was hard to predict.
Just like this is easily predicted: You will dodge, change the subject or Cut & Run from this line of questioning:
Why did we go to war in Iraq?
1. Were we told by Bush that we were under "Positive and imminent threat of WMD's from Saddam"?
2. Were we told "We knowexactly where the WMD's are. They are North and West of Takrit."
3. Did the U.N. Object when we said we wanted to invade? (So much for it being about our great respect for the U.N. then...)
4. Was it only AFTER the resolution to invade was passed and troops were underway, that we were told that it was now about our "love of the Iraqi people" (LOL!) and (UnConstitutional) desire to police the world and invade a country that had not first attacked us?
You may now do as predicted...
Really, this is just too easy.
Jake you are 100% wrongblah blah blah
WMDs as described by the admin were not found, the chemistry sets not withstanding that JRK believes are WMDs.
We had no legal jurisdiction to enforce UN resolutions.
End of story.
So your argument rests on war whores in the US Congress accepting bribes from defense contractors to "authorize" an illegal invasion that has murdered, maimed, displaced or incarcerated millions of innocent Iraqi civilians?
"The legality of the invasion and occupation of Iraq has been widely debated since the United States, United Kingdom, and a coalition of other countries launched the 2003 invasion of Iraq. The then United Nations Secretary-General Kofi Annan said in September 2004 that: 'From our point of view and the UN Charter point of view, it [the war] was illegal.'[1][2]
"The Prosecutor of the International Criminal Court reported in February 2006 that he had received 240 communications in connection with the invasion of Iraq in March 2003 which alleged that various war crimes had been committed."
Legality of the Iraq War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
1) REMOVE SADDAM
DONE
2) STABILIZE COUNTRY
DONE
3) HAVE A REPUBLIC BORN OF THESE EVENTS
DONE
Am missing something here?
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Wars of Aggression are always illegal and evil.So your argument rests on war whores in the US Congress accepting bribes from defense contractors to "authorize" an illegal invasion that has murdered, maimed, displaced or incarcerated millions of innocent Iraqi civilians?
"The legality of the invasion and occupation of Iraq has been widely debated since the United States, United Kingdom, and a coalition of other countries launched the 2003 invasion of Iraq. The then United Nations Secretary-General Kofi Annan said in September 2004 that: 'From our point of view and the UN Charter point of view, it [the war] was illegal.'[1][2]
"The Prosecutor of the International Criminal Court reported in February 2006 that he had received 240 communications in connection with the invasion of Iraq in March 2003 which alleged that various war crimes had been committed."
Legality of the Iraq War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The world court?
The world court?
are you kidding me?
What part of the US constitution do you not understand?
there has never been a more legal war
The world court has 0 jurisdiction and it is none of there damn business, and I do not recall any-one facing any charges from any court
I allege that you Liberals need to stop with the lying about these events and if your upset about it then Saddam and The UN is who you should be mad at