Why would anyone continue to claim the iraqi war was a failure?

1) REMOVE SADDAM
DONE
2) STABILIZE COUNTRY
DONE
3) HAVE A REPUBLIC BORN OF THESE EVENTS
DONE

Am missing something here?

The Fruit of the Poisonous Tree doctrine (also known as the Derivative Evidence Doctrine) is a rule in criminal law that makes evidence that was derived from an illegal search, arrest or interrogation inadmissible. In other words, the evidence (the “fruit”) was tainted due to it coming from the illegal search and seizure (the “poisonous tree”). Under this doctrine, not only must illegally obtained evidence be excluded, but also all evidence obtained or derived from exploitation of that evidence.

Fruit of Poisonous Tree Doctrine | Los Angeles Criminal Defense Lawyer

With regard to Iraq, therefore, the outcome of the war is irrelevant (the outcome being the ‘fruit’). The war came about illegally, when the Bush Administration withheld facts and lied as to its intent that would have otherwise compelled Congress not to authorize the war.

American jurisprudence rejects the notion of ‘the ends justifies the means.’ A criminal enterprise can never be justified regardless the success of its outcome.

Of course you have proof that, wait
what about the UN?
1-27-2003?
who do we blame for this?
I would now like to turn to the so-called “Air Force document” that I have discussed with the Council before. This document was originally found by an UNSCOM inspector in a safe in Iraqi Air Force Headquarters in 1998 and taken from her by Iraqi minders. It gives an account of the expenditure of bombs, including chemical bombs, by Iraq in the Iraq-Iran War. I am encouraged by the fact that Iraq has now provided this document to UNMOVIC.

The document indicates that 13,000 chemical bombs were dropped by the Iraqi Air Force between 1983 and 1988, while Iraq has declared that 19,500 bombs were consumed during this period. Thus, there is a discrepancy of 6,500 bombs. The amount of chemical agent in these bombs would be in the order of about 1,000 tonnes. In the absence of evidence to the contrary, we must assume that these quantities are now unaccounted for.

The discovery of a number of 122 mm chemical rocket warheads in a bunker at a storage depot 170 km southwest of Baghdad was much publicized. This was a relatively new bunker and therefore the rockets must have been moved there in the past few years, at a time when Iraq should not have had such munitions.

I might further mention that inspectors have found at another site a laboratory quantity of thiodiglycol, a mustard gas precursor.


Biological weapons

I have mentioned the issue of anthrax to the Council on previous occasions and I come back to it as it is an important one.

Iraq has declared that it produced about 8,500 litres of this biological warfare agent, which it states it unilaterally destroyed in the summer of 1991. Iraq has provided little evidence for this production and no convincing evidence for its destruction.

There are strong indications that Iraq produced more anthrax than it declared, and that at least some of this was retained after the declared destruction date. It might still exist. Either it should be found and be destroyed under UNMOVIC supervision or else convincing evidence should be produced to show that it was, indeed, destroyed in 1991.

As I reported to the Council on 19 December last year, Iraq did not declare a significant quantity, some 650 kg, of bacterial growth media, which was acknowledged as imported in Iraq’s submission to the Amorim panel in February 1999. As part of its 7 December 2002 declaration, Iraq resubmitted the Amorim panel document, but the table showing this particular import of media was not included. The absence of this table would appear to be deliberate as the pages of the resubmitted document were renumbered.

In the letter of 24 January to the President of the Council, Iraq’s Foreign Minister stated that “all imported quantities of growth media were declared”. This is not evidence. I note that the quantity of media involved would suffice to produce, for example, about 5,000 litres of concentrated anthrax.


Missiles
In addition, Iraq has refurbished its missile production infrastructure. In particular, Iraq reconstituted a number of casting chambers, which had previously been destroyed under UNSCOM supervision. They had been used in the production of solid-fuel missiles. Whatever missile system these chambers are intended for, they could produce motors for missiles capable of ranges significantly greater than 150 km.

Also associated with these missiles and related developments is the import, which has been taking place during the last few years, of a number of items despite the sanctions, including as late as December 2002. Foremost amongst these is the import of 380 rocket engines which may be used for the Al Samoud 2.

Now who do you blame for this?
AND WHAT DID GWB HIDE THAT THE UN HERE ON 1-27-2003 DID NOT
 
The munitions found by no means met the munitions the UN, CIA and many others said to exist, but the bottom line was they were all suppose to be gone Saddam Hussein was dictated after attacking Kuwait to dis arm 100% as provided in the Un resolutions, he failed to do so
Jake your wrong and you know it
You finally changed you tune, JRKdoosh, and it only took a year or so. And we illegally invaded Iraq without an UN mandate or grievous cause. The UN resolutions mean nothing because we were not empowered under them. It was not a just war. The ends do not justify the means. However, my little doosh, you finally are changing on the WMDs. Bout time.
 
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Who cares, JRK? The war was a failure, it helped to create a far less safe world in which Obama has had to clean up the neo-cons' mistakes.
 
Why would anyone continue to claim the iraqi war was a failure?

1) REMOVE SADDAM
DONE
2) STABILIZE COUNTRY
DONE
3) HAVE A REPUBLIC BORN OF THESE EVENTS
DONE

Am missing something here?
The primary complainants would more-than-likely be The DICK; Cheney, and the various oil-interests who'd assumed they were gonna walk-away with any-and-all oil-operations, in Iraq....the reason we'd gone there, in the first-place (Lil' Dumbya wanted to have at least ONE successful oil-deal, during his life).

The oil-boys had assumed....ANY foreign-contracts (for oil, from Iraq) were with the government of Iraq. If Saddam Hussein was overthrown....there WAS no Iraq-government, anymore.....so, all oil-contracts with Iraq were null-and-void!!! (i.e. To the victor go the spoils.)

Eventually, Iraq's new-government SKUNKED Cheney & Co., and decided to auction-off all future oil-contracts/operations....and, Cheney & Co. got a mere FRACTION of the oil-business that American-servicemen/women died for.​
 
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Who cares, JRK? The war was a failure, it helped to create a far less safe world in which Obama has had to clean up the neo-cons' mistakes.

Jake that is an opinion and BHO did nothing in Iraq
Peace was negotiated in 2008 and was followed to the letter
Saddam Hussein was an out-law, he is gone
After 9-11 we had NO CHOICE
Iraq has a democratic govt in which women hold office
The US is not funding the UN to baby sit Saddam
The 800 metric tons of Yellow cake is gone and no dirty bombs can be built with it

I HATE WAR, BUT I HATE LIARS AS BAD
 
Who cares, JRK? The war was a failure, it helped to create a far less safe world in which Obama has had to clean up the neo-cons' mistakes.

The US is not funding the UN to baby sit Saddam.
Yeah....sure.....that's what was happening.

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March 25, 2004

Selective Amnesia

"This is regarding the Deroy Murdock column “… but if Iraq’s dead could talk, they’d thank Bush” (March 22). Selective amnesia seems to be the hallmark of the Bush administration’s apologists these days. Last May, it was the media that broke the news of mass graves in Iraq. Busy pursuing rumors of weapons of mass destruction stockpiles, U.S. authorities had neither the time nor the resources to secure the sites for proper forensic study. Only later, when the fearful weapons failed to appear, did the tombs acquire political value.

A careful reading of the cited U.S. Agency for International Development report reveals a curious fact. The dates of these tragic events began in the 1980s and ended in 1991, the years of the Reagan and first Bush administrations. Certainly Saddam Hussein was responsible for murders and tortures until the day he took up residence in his hole. But the mass graves date from the Iran-Iraq War, the first Gulf War, and the Kurdish and Shiite rebellions." - Richard Bareford -
Camp Arifjan - Kuwait
 
Dumbfuck, we put the first Gulf War on hold, we had the right to restart it when it was clear Saddam was violating the terms of the ceasefire, he was supporting terrorists and he wouldn't allow proper WMD inspections in his country without playing games with inspectors.

When he invaded Kuwait, he lost his right to keep Iraq...idiot.

blah blah blah

WMDs as described by the admin were not found, the chemistry sets not withstanding that JRK believes are WMDs.

We had no legal jurisdiction to enforce UN resolutions.

End of story.
 
shaman
Your not taken seriously
really do not understand what your doing here, but that is all on you
Good luck with that, you may need it
 
thanks
it was that simple
Saddam could have saved millions of lives, the war(s) where about him and nothing else
 
Jake the US constitution is why we had jurisdiction
I am not sure why you Liberals think that congress and the President does not have the authority to defend this country from enemies both local and foreign
Gulf war 1 had mandates that directly effected this country both financially and harm
Saddam had 10 years to get it right, after 9-11 it was over
 
Dumbfuck, we put the first Gulf War on hold, we had the right to restart it when it was clear Saddam was violating the terms of the ceasefire, he was supporting terrorists and he wouldn't allow proper WMD inspections in his country without playing games with inspectors.

We invaded, lumpenhead, because of WMDs. They weren't there. We had no right under international law to do what we did. The UN would not give us the authorization, so we took it illegally.
 
Jake the US constitution is why we had jurisdiction
I am not sure why you Liberals think that congress and the President does not have the authority to defend this country from enemies both local and foreign
Gulf war 1 had mandates that directly effected this country both financially and harm
Saddam had 10 years to get it right, after 9-11 it was over

I am certainly not a liberal and no neo-con is a patriot. Our country had no legal standing for doing what it did. The war broke the nation's morale and contributed to the failure of the economy.

Your narrative will not be the one told in our public ed's history books. Quite the opposite.
 
Dumbass, the US Air Force never stopped flying over Iraq enforcing the No Fly zone while the UN was supposed to provide food aid for oil and inspecting his WMD program.

Instead Saddam was stealing money from the food program scam and he wasn't allowing WMD inspections until he was given ample time to hide things.

In addition we outlined at the UN his support of LH and Hamas with suicide payoffs, so after 9/11 we weren't going tolerate some middle east dictator openly support islamic terrorists.

What fucking world do you live in to miss all this shit? You must live in some hole to be ignorant of this information.

Dumbfuck, we put the first Gulf War on hold, we had the right to restart it when it was clear Saddam was violating the terms of the ceasefire, he was supporting terrorists and he wouldn't allow proper WMD inspections in his country without playing games with inspectors.

We invaded, lumpenhead, because of WMDs. They weren't there. We had no right under international law to do what we did. The UN would not give us the authorization, so we took it illegally.
 
Dumbfuck, we put the first Gulf War on hold, we had the right to restart it when it was clear Saddam was violating the terms of the ceasefire, he was supporting terrorists and he wouldn't allow proper WMD inspections in his country without playing games with inspectors.

We invaded, lumpenhead, because of WMDs. They weren't there. We had no right under international law to do what we did. The UN would not give us the authorization, so we took it illegally.

On October 10, the House and Senate passed identical resolutions authorizing the use of force against Iraq, H.J. Res. 114/S.J. Res. 45. The final vote in the House was 296-133 for the resolution, and 77-23 in favor in the Senate. The joint resolution provides broad authorization for the President to wage unilateral, preemptive war against Iraq at his discretion. Although the resolution passed both houses by significant margins,
Joint Resolution Authorizing the Use of Military Force Against Iraq

e 500 munitions discovered throughout Iraq since 2003 and discussed in a National Ground Intelligence Center report meet the criteria of weapons of mass destruction, the center's commander said here today.

"These are chemical weapons as defined under the Chemical Weapons Convention, and yes ... they do constitute weapons of mass destruction," Army Col. John Chu told the House Armed Services Committee.

(Excerpt) Read more at defenselink.mil ...

what else Jake?
 
here jake
Defense.gov News Article: Munitions Found in Iraq Meet WMD Criteria, Official Says
Munitions Found in Iraq Meet WMD Criteria, Official Says

By Samantha L. Quigley
American Forces Press Service
WASHINGTON, June 29, 2006 – The 500 munitions discovered throughout Iraq since 2003 and discussed in a National Ground Intelligence Center report meet the criteria of weapons of mass destruction, the center's commander said here today.
"These are chemical weapons as defined under the Chemical Weapons Convention, and yes ... they do constitute weapons of mass destruction," Army Col. John Chu told the House Armed Services Committee.
The Chemical Weapons Convention is an arms control agreement which outlaws the production, stockpiling and use of chemical weapons. It was signed in 1993 and entered into force in 1997.
The munitions found contain sarin and mustard gases, Army Lt. Gen. Michael D. Maples, director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, said. Sarin attacks the neurological system and is potentially lethal.
 
Dumbass, the US Air Force never stopped flying over Iraq enforcing the No Fly zone while the UN was supposed to provide food aid for oil and inspecting his WMD program.

Instead Saddam was stealing money from the food program scam and he wasn't allowing WMD inspections until he was given ample time to hide things.

In addition we outlined at the UN his support of LH and Hamas with suicide payoffs, so after 9/11 we weren't going tolerate some middle east dictator openly support islamic terrorists.

What fucking world do you live in to miss all this shit? You must live in some hole to be ignorant of this information.

Dumbfuck, we put the first Gulf War on hold, we had the right to restart it when it was clear Saddam was violating the terms of the ceasefire, he was supporting terrorists and he wouldn't allow proper WMD inspections in his country without playing games with inspectors.

We invaded, lumpenhead, because of WMDs. They weren't there. We had no right under international law to do what we did. The UN would not give us the authorization, so we took it illegally.

The most spun event in the history of this country
it did more to elect BHO than any-thing along with a bunch of people loaning a bunch of people money could not pay back
Saddam also had 800 metric tons of yellow cake in Iraq, that was not in reality secure until 2008
 
Jake the US constitution is why we had jurisdiction
I am not sure why you Liberals think that congress and the President does not have the authority to defend this country from enemies both local and foreign
Gulf war 1 had mandates that directly effected this country both financially and harm
Saddam had 10 years to get it right, after 9-11 it was over

I am certainly not a liberal and no neo-con is a patriot. Our country had no legal standing for doing what it did. The war broke the nation's morale and contributed to the failure of the economy.

Your narrative will not be the one told in our public ed's history books. Quite the opposite.

We had a deficit in 2007 of 163 billion
in 2010 we had a 1.5 trillion dollar deficit and had added 1 trillion dollars in spending Jake
(from 2007, the last GOP budget)
29 Democrats in the senate voted to enforce the UN regulations in 2002
On October 10, the House and Senate passed identical resolutions authorizing the use of force against Iraq, H.J. Res. 114/S.J. Res. 45. The final vote in the House was 296-133 for the resolution, and 77-23 in favor in the Senate. The joint resolution provides broad authorization for the President to wage unilateral, preemptive war against Iraq at his discretion. Although the resolution passed both houses by significant margins,

No-one wanted a war Jake
And as far as the morale of this country? there is no data to support your claim
Your opinion is yours, does not mean it matters as far as the truth
 
Uh, why did the IAEA keep sending inspectors around Iraq up until OIF??? Of course, Saddam only played games with them to make himself look innocent. :cuckoo:

Israeli warplanes bombed a reactor project at the site in 1981. Later, U.N. inspectors documented and safeguarded the yellowcake, which had been stored in aging drums and containers since before the 1991 Gulf War. There was no evidence of any yellowcake dating from after 1991, the official said.

U.S. removes 'yellowcake' from Iraq - World news - Mideast/N. Africa - Conflict in Iraq - msnbc.com
 

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