Why would anyone continue to claim the iraqi war was a failure?

[JakeStarkey]

Only under U.S. law. Nazi Germany did the same thing, and a lot of their leaders were hung for war crimes. Humanity has a long member and it won't matter if 20, 30, 40, 50 years go by and they get the opportunity to arrest, confine, try, and sentence American war criminals, particularly the torturers. Why do you think so many American honchos from the war don't travel to Western Europe and parts of the Middle East.

 

[JRK]

Jake your on ignore
dis agreeing is one thing
calling me a liar is another
The facts are as simple as I can make them
Saddam ignores UN mandate that was a term of ending Gulf war 1 and not removing him then
9-11
Al Qaeda goes back to Iraq, 2002
Saddam continues to ignore UN regulations
35 countries invade (some later) 3/2003
Saddam is captured
Saddam is hanged by his own people
Al Qaeda's leader (Zarqawi) is blown to bits
2008 peace treaty is signed
2011 were gone, Al Qaeda is gone for the most part, Iraq has free elections as Saddam and his henchmen is gone, Yellow cake is gone, WMDs are gone,

 

[JRK]

The media and democratic party can take the most simple of things and turn into pure spammed out spin
1) Saddam was given an ultimatum by the UN Gulf war 1 that he ignored, which gave us no legal authorization to invade.
2) 9-11. No Iraqis or $$$ were involved.
3) Saddam was removed from power as a result of non compliance of UN regulations. We had no legal authorization to enforce UN regulations,
4) 2002, Al Qeada makes a presence in Iraq. Iraqi enemies were present in the US.,
5) in 2006 Zarqawi is killed. Ex post facto. Doesn't matter.
6) 2011 the war is over. Iraq and Iran are becoming allies and by 2016 will present an united front against the US.

What do you mean by "no legal authorization to invade"? The House and Senate voted to invade. That makes it "legal".

Jake thinks that the US constitution means nothing and that the UN (which is in NY and is funded for the most part by the US) runs this country I guess

35 countries were part of this coalition, not just the US
Iraq Coalition - Non-US Forces in Iraq

 

[Mac1958]

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Iraq war costs, so far:

• American military deaths in Iraq: Approximately 4,500
• American soldiers wounded: Approximately 33,000
• American soldiers permanently mentally/emotionally damaged: Unknown thousands
• American military families destroyed or damaged: Unknown thousands
• Cost of war, in dollars: Approximately $807 billion

And what have we received for these absolutely horrific costs?

• Saddam is dead. Since his death, the balance of power in the Middle East has dramatically shifted towards Iran

• Stockpiles of Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD). Oh. Wait. Check that, no fucking WMD.

• We're stuck trying to nation-build, and we know damn well that the bad guys will return the minute our troop levels are low enough, even if that means decades. Just as in Afghanistan.

It's absolutely stunning to see that anyone is still trying to spin this disaster into something positive. Some people are very brave with the lives, limbs, minds, families and dollars of others.

God damn.

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[GoneBezerk]

Quit posting on drugs.

Good luck to a European country that kidnaps a former US POTUS, VPOTUS, SECDEC, SECSTATE, etc.

That would be an act of war, dumbfuck.

Only under U.S. law. Nazi Germany did the same thing, and a lot of their leaders were hung for war crimes. Humanity has a long member and it won't matter if 20, 30, 40, 50 years go by and they get the opportunity to arrest, confine, try, and sentence American war criminals, particularly the torturers. Why do you think so many American honchos from the war don't travel to Western Europe and parts of the Middle East.

 

[GoneBezerk]

Another idiot with no fucking clue.

1) WMDs were found in Iraq....the rest were probably shipped to "Syria" before the war.
2) Iran has been causing trouble in the middle east before the war, dumbfuck.
3) Iraq/Saddam is no longer a threat to the Kurds, Israel, and our GCC friends.

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Iraq war costs, so far:

• American military deaths in Iraq: Approximately 4,500
• American soldiers wounded: Approximately 33,000
• American soldiers permanently mentally/emotionally damaged: Unknown thousands
• American military families destroyed or damaged: Unknown thousands
• Cost of war, in dollars: Approximately $807 billion

And what have we received for these absolutely horrific costs?

• Saddam is dead. Since his death, the balance of power in the Middle East has dramatically shifted towards Iran

• Stockpiles of Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD). Oh. Wait. Check that, no fucking WMD.

• We're stuck trying to nation-build, and we know damn well that the bad guys will return the minute our troop levels are low enough, even if that means decades. Just as in Afghanistan.

It's absolutely stunning to see that anyone is still trying to spin this disaster into something positive. Some people are very brave with the lives, limbs, minds, families and dollars of others.

God damn.

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[Wry Catcher]

1) REMOVE SADDAM
DONE
2) STABILIZE COUNTRY
DONE
3) HAVE A REPUBLIC BORN OF THESE EVENTS
DONE

Q. Am missing something here?

A. Reality. The cost of a war of choice in terms of blood and treasure.

Q. What beneftis have we as a people derived from the Iraq war/occupation?

That question cannot ever be answered.
We will never know how much money was saved from removing troops from Saudi, Kuwait and Financing the UNs failure to control Saddam, as far as blood?
There is another UN known, It was a huge part of the reason to do what we did. Saddam was a loose cannon.
He proved that 100s of different ways

I hate war, I hate the 100s of Saddams in this world who in time give us no choice but to act

We do know how much was lost (thus far). Your argument is specious at best; why suppose invading and occupying Iraq was requisite for removing troops from Saudi Arabia or Kuwait? Why suppose it was our duty to dispose Saddam (a Goldwater conservative would never have engaged in such a folly). And, why Saddam - he was at least contained, and Iraq was a viable economy with electricity and water before our occupation?

 

[Mac1958]

Another idiot with no fucking clue.

1) WMDs were found in Iraq....the rest were probably shipped to "Syria" before the war.
2) Iran has been causing trouble in the middle east before the war, dumbfuck.
3) Iraq/Saddam is no longer a threat to the Kurds, Israel, and our GCC friends.

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Iraq war costs, so far:

• American military deaths in Iraq: Approximately 4,500
• American soldiers wounded: Approximately 33,000
• American soldiers permanently mentally/emotionally damaged: Unknown thousands
• American military families destroyed or damaged: Unknown thousands
• Cost of war, in dollars: Approximately $807 billion

And what have we received for these absolutely horrific costs?

• Saddam is dead. Since his death, the balance of power in the Middle East has dramatically shifted towards Iran

• Stockpiles of Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD). Oh. Wait. Check that, no fucking WMD.

• We're stuck trying to nation-build, and we know damn well that the bad guys will return the minute our troop levels are low enough, even if that means decades. Just as in Afghanistan.

It's absolutely stunning to see that anyone is still trying to spin this disaster into something positive. Some people are very brave with the lives, limbs, minds, families and dollars of others.

God damn.

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Incredible.

Okay.


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[GoneBezerk]

Uh dumbfuck, we have troops in Kuwait and we're constantly training with troops in Saudi Arabia.

Saddam was funding terrorists attacking our ally, Israel.

Saddam never came clean about his WMDs, in fact most likely moved them to Syria with the help of Russia. We found what was leftover.

The Goldwater Republicans were more focused on a Euro/Asia threat while they ignored the threats in the middle east which are more dangerous given the impact on oil and their support of international terrorism. Reagan failed to address the problem of Iran, even ignored their attack on us in Beruit.

A. Reality. The cost of a war of choice in terms of blood and treasure.

Q. What beneftis have we as a people derived from the Iraq war/occupation?

That question cannot ever be answered.
We will never know how much money was saved from removing troops from Saudi, Kuwait and Financing the UNs failure to control Saddam, as far as blood?
There is another UN known, It was a huge part of the reason to do what we did. Saddam was a loose cannon.
He proved that 100s of different ways

I hate war, I hate the 100s of Saddams in this world who in time give us no choice but to act

We do know how much was lost (thus far). Your argument is specious at best; why suppose invading and occupying Iraq was requisite for removing troops from Saudi Arabia or Kuwait? Why suppose it was our duty to dispose Saddam (a Goldwater conservative would never have engaged in such a folly). And, why Saddam - he was at least contained, and Iraq was a viable economy with electricity and water before our occupation?

 

[JRK]

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Iraq war costs, so far:

• American military deaths in Iraq: Approximately 4,500
• American soldiers wounded: Approximately 33,000
• American soldiers permanently mentally/emotionally damaged: Unknown thousands
• American military families destroyed or damaged: Unknown thousands
• Cost of war, in dollars: Approximately $807 billion

And what have we received for these absolutely horrific costs?

• Saddam is dead. Since his death, the balance of power in the Middle East has dramatically shifted towards Iran

• Stockpiles of Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD). Oh. Wait. Check that, no fucking WMD.

• We're stuck trying to nation-build, and we know damn well that the bad guys will return the minute our troop levels are low enough, even if that means decades. Just as in Afghanistan.

It's absolutely stunning to see that anyone is still trying to spin this disaster into something positive. Some people are very brave with the lives, limbs, minds, families and dollars of others.

God damn.

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Using the lords name in vain has no place here
your opinion of the events in Iraq mean nothing to many of us, there just opinions

Al Qaeda killed most of the people in Iraq, that would be the same bunch that was behind 9-11
Iraq was on our side from the start for the most part

Yes those brave kids volunteered to be there, unlike you they believed they were doing the right thing
Spin?
Saddam ignoring UN regs was not spin
Al Qaeda being in Iraq before we invaded is not spin
Blair elaborates:

There is an interesting sidebar to this. It later emerged that [Abu Musab] al-Zarqawi, the deputy to bin Laden, had come to Iraq in May 2002, had had meetings with senior Iraqis and established a presence there in October 2002. This intelligence has not been withdrawn, by the way. Probably we should have paid more attention to its significance, but we were so keen not to make a false claim about al Qaeda and Saddam that we somewhat understated it, at least on the British side.

Blair’s testimony directly contradicts the Democrats. Still, in the British manner, he continues to understate the case.

Intelligence compiled by American officials, as well as the testimony of known al Qaeda associates, confirms that al Qaeda established a significant presence in Iraq prior to March 2003. The evidence that al Qaeda was in Iraq before the war is simply overwhelming. And it helps to explain why the insurgency became so lethal.

Even though Blair says it “later emerged” that Zarqawi had set up shop in Iraq in 2002, this connection was actually a formal part of the American case for war. Secretary of State Colin Powell included a section on Zarqawi’s network in Iraq in his February 5, 2003, presentation before the United Nations.

WMDs were found, over 500 of them that were suppose to have been destroyed

Munitions Found in Iraq Meet WMD Criteria, Official Says

By Samantha L. Quigley
American Forces Press Service
WASHINGTON, June 29, 2006 – The 500 munitions discovered throughout Iraq since 2003 and discussed in a National Ground Intelligence Center report meet the criteria of weapons of mass destruction, the center's commander said here today.
"These are chemical weapons as defined under the Chemical Weapons Convention, and yes ... they do constitute weapons of mass destruction," Army Col. John Chu told the House Armed Services Committee.
The Chemical Weapons Convention is an arms control agreement which outlaws the production, stockpiling and use of chemical weapons. It was signed in 1993 and entered into force in 1997.

The UN made the same claims that the CIA and others made
United Nations Security Council and the Iraq War - Wikipedia, the ...
en.wikipedia.org/.../United_Nations_Security_Council_and_the_Iraq...Whether Iraq actually had weapons of mass destruction or not was being ... UN inspectors believe there to be large quantities of weapons materials still unaccounted for. ... On January 27, 2003, UN inspectors reported that Iraq had cooperated on a ... The United States claimed that "sources" had told them that Saddam ...

35 countries supported this, this was not a stand alone event
Iraq Coalition - Non-US Forces in Iraq

The only spin here is you and please show some restraint in your language
Class comes with acting like an adult and adults do not go around conducting them selves as such

 

[Mac1958]

Using the lords name in vain has no place here

This from a guy who calls people "dumbfuck."

You can't make this stuff up.


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[GoneBezerk]

Yep, that is all you have based on your msnbc talking points.

The Iraq war was a huge success until we made the mistake of preventing Baath party members from the new Iraq. They turned to the international terrorists for a counterinsurgency once they were left out of the dance.

Once we started bringing them back into parts of the Govt, the counterinsurgency died.

The explosions in Iraq today are caused by the Iranian terrorist groups and a few Al Qaeda scum still pissed about peace in the country.

Another idiot with no fucking clue.

1) WMDs were found in Iraq....the rest were probably shipped to "Syria" before the war.
2) Iran has been causing trouble in the middle east before the war, dumbfuck.
3) Iraq/Saddam is no longer a threat to the Kurds, Israel, and our GCC friends.

.

Iraq war costs, so far:

• American military deaths in Iraq: Approximately 4,500
• American soldiers wounded: Approximately 33,000
• American soldiers permanently mentally/emotionally damaged: Unknown thousands
• American military families destroyed or damaged: Unknown thousands
• Cost of war, in dollars: Approximately $807 billion

And what have we received for these absolutely horrific costs?

• Saddam is dead. Since his death, the balance of power in the Middle East has dramatically shifted towards Iran

• Stockpiles of Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD). Oh. Wait. Check that, no fucking WMD.

• We're stuck trying to nation-build, and we know damn well that the bad guys will return the minute our troop levels are low enough, even if that means decades. Just as in Afghanistan.

It's absolutely stunning to see that anyone is still trying to spin this disaster into something positive. Some people are very brave with the lives, limbs, minds, families and dollars of others.

God damn.

.

Incredible.

Okay.


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[JRK]

Using the lords name in vain has no place here

This from a guy who calls people "dumbfuck."

You can't make this stuff up.


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you have me confused with someone else
your claim is 100% wrong
In fact I usually put people on ignore such as Starcrftzzz for conducting them selves as such
NOT ME BUD so I would appreciate if you retract that

 

[georgephillip]

Mental ward patients like you with internet access is bad.

FYI idiot, Saddam started the entire war by invading Kuwait back in the 90s. We just didn't show up in Iraq when Bush JR got into the White House.

Now get back on your meds, asswipe.

Then I re butte that this was an action to complete the first gulf war peace treaty that Saddam had failed within compliance of
In fact that is the exact reason for those events
The UN failed in assuring those agreements were adhered too

Kindly point out any "material breach" of UN Resolution 686 committed by Saddam that justified the murder, maiming, displacement and incarceration of millions of innocent Iraqi civilians. You really need to worry more about war crimes committed by your own government and less about Saddam's.

Here's another war crime that happened "back in the 90s."

"These results provide strong evidence that the Gulf war and trade sanctions caused a threefold increase in mortality among Iraqi children under five years of age. We estimate that an excess of more than 46,900 children died between January and August 1991. (N Engl J Med 1992;327:931–6.)"

How many US children did Saddam kill, Stupid?

MMS: Error

 

[JakeStarkey]

Quit posting on drugs. Good luck to a European country that kidnaps a former US POTUS, VPOTUS, SECDEC, SECSTATE, etc. That would be an act of war, dumbfuck.

Yup, and many years down the road we may not be able to stand down the French or the Germans or the Italians or whomever if they snatch one of our old guys or ladies for a war crimes trial. Times change, GB, and bullies often get their come uppance. Saddam did, JRK did, and dumbfuck Doosh Bezerk just did.

 

[GoneBezerk]

Dumbass....

1) Your stats about who died or was injured in Iraq is 99% of the time inflated, bogus numbers. You scum just threw around huge numbers during the invasion piece.
2) Anyone that died in Iraq while Saddam and his sons stole from the Oil for Food program, died at the hands of Saddam and his sons.
3) Where are your stats on the number of people killed and tortured by Saddam and his sons?

So in your tiny mind, the average Iraqi was better off living in fear of Saddam and his sons instead of today with the democratic govt trying to build their country to a peaceful middle east country with a lot of wealth to be shared.

Mental ward patients like you with internet access is bad.

FYI idiot, Saddam started the entire war by invading Kuwait back in the 90s. We just didn't show up in Iraq when Bush JR got into the White House.

Now get back on your meds, asswipe.

Kindly point out any "material breach" of UN Resolution 686 committed by Saddam that justified the murder, maiming, displacement and incarceration of millions of innocent Iraqi civilians. You really need to worry more about war crimes committed by your own government and less about Saddam's.

Here's another war crime that happened "back in the 90s."

"These results provide strong evidence that the Gulf war and trade sanctions caused a threefold increase in mortality among Iraqi children under five years of age. We estimate that an excess of more than 46,900 children died between January and August 1991. (N Engl J Med 1992;327:931–6.)"

How many US children did Saddam kill, Stupid?

MMS: Error

 

[GoneBezerk]

You need to see a doctor about your STDs now causing brain disease much like Hitler. I believe Syphilis made him go mad, that might be it for you after taking it up the ass in gay clubs.

Quit posting on drugs. Good luck to a European country that kidnaps a former US POTUS, VPOTUS, SECDEC, SECSTATE, etc. That would be an act of war, dumbfuck.

Yup, and many years down the road we may not be able to stand down the French or the Germans or the Italians or whomever if they snatch one of our old guys or ladies for a war crimes trial. Times change, GB, and bullies often get their come uppance. Saddam did, JRK did, and dumbfuck Doosh Bezerk just did.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Dumbass....

1) Your stats about who died or was injured in Iraq is 99% of the time inflated, bogus numbers. You scum just threw around huge numbers during the invasion piece.
2) Anyone that died in Iraq while Saddam and his sons stole from the Oil for Food program, died at the hands of Saddam and his sons.
3) Where are your stats on the number of people killed and tortured by Saddam and his sons?

So in your tiny mind, the average Iraqi was better off living in fear of Saddam and his sons instead of today with the democratic govt trying to build their country to a peaceful middle east country with a lot of wealth to be shared.

1. The stats are fairly accurate, and your doosh reaction only reinforrces them.
2. Silly statement.
3. Not relevant.

Considering in the same amount of years in comparison, about two times the number of Iraqis died during the American war as under Saddam, you are doosh dumb fuck when you talk.

 

[GoneBezerk]

I'm the one calling you dumbfuck, dumbfuck.

Using the lords name in vain has no place here

This from a guy who calls people "dumbfuck."

You can't make this stuff up.


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[JakeStarkey]

You need to see a doctor about your STDs now causing brain disease much like Hitler. I believe Syphilis made him go mad, that might be it for you after taking it up the ass in gay clubs.

dumb fuck doosh bezerk is sounding like his hero, Hitler. Here's a hankie to wipe the spittle from your face, dumbfuck.