Why would anyone continue to claim the iraqi war was a failure?

[GoneBezerk]

Dumbass.....Powell showed our intel photos that showed Saddam's troops were moving stuff around prior to IAEA inspectors showing up at those sites.

He also brought up Saddam's human rights violations, support to suicide bombers, and violations of the ceasefire terms/UN resolutions.

But go on about how Saddam was innocent, etc.

Uh dumbfuck, you just said we found WMD in Iraq but then claim Scott Ritter said there was none. You need to read your own lies.

Scott Ritter is a fraud, didn't he get arrested after going on his rants? Where is he today....some mental ward?

Scott Ritter didn't have access to the intel photos that showed Saddam's troops doing weird work in the desert. If it was for show, then Saddam made a fatal mistake trying to fool us believing Bush wouldn't act out of fear Saddam had WMD.

The US military was expecting WMD attacks, asshole. The US Govt didn't know Saddam's WMD program was either shut down or mostly moved out of Iraq before the war.

But rant on about how you wish Saddam and his sons were still killing Iraqis, stealing their wealth and supporting terrorists blowing up "the Jews." Eh, Nazi....

You do realize the Saddam's political party was modeled by his uncle after the Nazis. They support your support of their efforts, despite both of your EPIC FAILS when the US military ruined it all for you and them.

Scott Ritter publicly and correctly told the world Iraq had no WMD, that we had adequate monitoring capability that we would know if Iraq restarted its WMD development.

Dumbfucks like you would rather listen to liars like Bush and Cheney, and don't even concern yourselves with the cost, 1 trillion to fight the war, 4500 americans killed, 30,000 wounded, and 2 trillion in future expenses to cover the wounded.

And for what?

Epic Fail!

Bush did not send Powell to the UN to tell them we were going into Iraq to get a few old WMD shells left from the 91 war, he sent him to tell the world that Saddam had re-started his WMD program, and they all lied.

Ritter said Iraq was not making new WMD and we had adequate monitoring to know if he did re-start the program, but he had not.

Ritter was correct, Bush, Cheney, Powell were wrong.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Tardzerk, the intel photos showed them, us, you, and me moving stuff around. That's what people, companies, and countries do. No WMDs described by General Powell were found, then or now. In fact, as we know now and back thenm SH was no threat to us and one that the international community was busily removing through threats and sanctions. We launched an illegal war, and that is going to haunt us for the next 100 years. If the senior Bushies travel without diplomatic protection to Europe, it will haunt them as well.

Dumbass.....Powell showed our intel photos that showed Saddam's troops were moving stuff around prior to IAEA inspectors showing up at those sites. He also brought up Saddam's human rights violations, support to suicide bombers, and violations of the ceasefire terms/UN resolutions. But go on about how Saddam was innocent, etc.

Uh dumbfuck, you just said we found WMD in Iraq but then claim Scott Ritter said there was none. You need to read your own lies.

Scott Ritter is a fraud, didn't he get arrested after going on his rants? Where is he today....some mental ward?

Scott Ritter didn't have access to the intel photos that showed Saddam's troops doing weird work in the desert. If it was for show, then Saddam made a fatal mistake trying to fool us believing Bush wouldn't act out of fear Saddam had WMD.

The US military was expecting WMD attacks, asshole. The US Govt didn't know Saddam's WMD program was either shut down or mostly moved out of Iraq before the war.

But rant on about how you wish Saddam and his sons were still killing Iraqis, stealing their wealth and supporting terrorists blowing up "the Jews." Eh, Nazi....

You do realize the Saddam's political party was modeled by his uncle after the Nazis. They support your support of their efforts, despite both of your EPIC FAILS when the US military ruined it all for you and them.

Bush did not send Powell to the UN to tell them we were going into Iraq to get a few old WMD shells left from the 91 war, he sent him to tell the world that Saddam had re-started his WMD program, and they all lied.

Ritter said Iraq was not making new WMD and we had adequate monitoring to know if he did re-start the program, but he had not.

Ritter was correct, Bush, Cheney, Powell were wrong.

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[bobgnote]

Dumbass.....Powell showed our intel photos that showed Saddam's troops were moving stuff around prior to IAEA inspectors showing up at those sites. He also brought up Saddam's human rights violations, support to suicide bombers, and violations of the ceasefire terms/UN resolutions.

But go on about how Saddam was innocent, etc.

Tardy, don't forget to notice how full of shit you are, in traffic. GWs gang used a lying informant, to dupe Congress. Nobody found WMDs. Saddam was a CIA client-asset, in 1958, and GWH konked out, on the road to Basra, so GW could be a lying hero.

You are a punk-fuck, who ducks issues and spams. Eat shit and die.

 

[Gadawg73]

Colin Powell is the first to state publicly now he was conned.
Why do you think he was pushed out of the administration?
Powell, Nam combat vet.
Bush, Commander In Wannahbe.
The UN speech Powell gave was full of factual problems.
The military knew better. Their version of that speech amongst the top brass in the Pentagon was it was cooked.
Powell stated that speech was a blot on his record. It was a complete fraud.

 

[Gadawg73]

Dumbfuck...the US military never left patrolling over Iraq, we even dropped bombs on Iraq under "Bill Clinton." Bill Clinton even made it US Policy to remove Saddam from power. So should Bill Clinton be brought up on charges for making it US policy?

Saddam was bothering "nobody?" So giving aid to suicide bombers in Israel is minding his own business?

I know you're a teenage twit, so get back to your mowing the lawn, asshole.

Little boy, you are a joke compared to me.

So we violated our own laws by defending Kuwait in the 90s?

We had UNSC authorization for that one. You don't know what Article 51 says, do you? Maybe you should do your homework first, junior, before you decide to get into a big peoples conversation.

Defending against what? Hussein was in his own country and not threatening anyone. God, are stupid!

Would that be those "dots" you were referring to earlier?

You guess a lot!

Pakistan is a "third party country" since they are not directly involved with our wars. Pakistan is playing us and the terrorists along the border, so they are a third party to the conflict you dumb mother-fucker.

Fuck off, you war-mongering asshole!

We're the terrorists in that part of the world.

You mean the Bill Clinton that let Bin Laden get away while getting his Johnson a Lewinsky?
That Bill Clinton?

 

[finebead]

Dumbass.....Powell showed our intel photos that showed Saddam's troops were moving stuff around prior to IAEA inspectors showing up at those sites.

He also brought up Saddam's human rights violations, support to suicide bombers, and violations of the ceasefire terms/UN resolutions.

But go on about how Saddam was innocent, etc.

Uh dumbfuck, you just said we found WMD in Iraq but then claim Scott Ritter said there was none. You need to read your own lies.

Scott Ritter is a fraud, didn't he get arrested after going on his rants? Where is he today....some mental ward?

Scott Ritter didn't have access to the intel photos that showed Saddam's troops doing weird work in the desert. If it was for show, then Saddam made a fatal mistake trying to fool us believing Bush wouldn't act out of fear Saddam had WMD.

The US military was expecting WMD attacks, asshole. The US Govt didn't know Saddam's WMD program was either shut down or mostly moved out of Iraq before the war.

But rant on about how you wish Saddam and his sons were still killing Iraqis, stealing their wealth and supporting terrorists blowing up "the Jews." Eh, Nazi....

You do realize the Saddam's political party was modeled by his uncle after the Nazis. They support your support of their efforts, despite both of your EPIC FAILS when the US military ruined it all for you and them.

Bush did not send Powell to the UN to tell them we were going into Iraq to get a few old WMD shells left from the 91 war, he sent him to tell the world that Saddam had re-started his WMD program, and they all lied.

Ritter said Iraq was not making new WMD and we had adequate monitoring to know if he did re-start the program, but he had not.

Ritter was correct, Bush, Cheney, Powell were wrong.

Your opinion counts for 1 vote. The american people looked at the whole situation, with years of discussion behind them, and concluded in the 2008 election of Obama, that the repubs were liars and fiscally irresponsible, that they had wasted our national treasure of lives and money in Iraq for something that was not justified nor worth the price we paid for it. That's the bottom line.

The screw up of the Iraq war and the economic collapse of 2008 cost the repubs the election, as it should have.

 

[Gadawg73]

Dumbass.....Powell showed our intel photos that showed Saddam's troops were moving stuff around prior to IAEA inspectors showing up at those sites.

He also brought up Saddam's human rights violations, support to suicide bombers, and violations of the ceasefire terms/UN resolutions.

But go on about how Saddam was innocent, etc.

Bush did not send Powell to the UN to tell them we were going into Iraq to get a few old WMD shells left from the 91 war, he sent him to tell the world that Saddam had re-started his WMD program, and they all lied.

Ritter said Iraq was not making new WMD and we had adequate monitoring to know if he did re-start the program, but he had not.

Ritter was correct, Bush, Cheney, Powell were wrong.

Your opinion counts for 1 vote. The american people looked at the whole situation, with years of discussion behind them, and concluded in the 2008 election of Obama, that the repubs were liars and fiscally irresponsible, that they had wasted our national treasure of lives and money in Iraq for something that was not justified nor worth the price we paid for it. That's the bottom line.

The screw up of the Iraq war and the economic collapse of 2008 cost the repubs the election, as it should have.

And now the undisputable conclusion is that Obama and the Democrats are liars and fiscally irresponsible X 2.
WE ARE FUCKED.

 

[Unkotare]

Are you in-fucking-sane? Did you ever speak with Iraqis who lived under saddam's rule during that time? "A pretty good quality of life" didn't come up very often.

Looking back, many Iraqis now say that life under Hussein was better.

Did you ever speak with Iraqis who lived under saddam's rule during that time?

 

[Unkotare]

Dumbass.....Powell showed our intel photos that showed Saddam's troops were moving stuff around prior to IAEA inspectors showing up at those sites.

He also brought up Saddam's human rights violations, support to suicide bombers, and violations of the ceasefire terms/UN resolutions.

But go on about how Saddam was innocent, etc.

Bush did not send Powell to the UN to tell them we were going into Iraq to get a few old WMD shells left from the 91 war, he sent him to tell the world that Saddam had re-started his WMD program, and they all lied.

Ritter said Iraq was not making new WMD and we had adequate monitoring to know if he did re-start the program, but he had not.

Ritter was correct, Bush, Cheney, Powell were wrong.

Your opinion counts for 1 vote. The american people looked at the whole situation, with years of discussion behind them, and concluded in the 2008 election of Obama, that the repubs were liars and fiscally irresponsible, that they had wasted our national treasure of lives and money in Iraq for something that was not justified nor worth the price we paid for it. That's the bottom line.

The screw up of the Iraq war and the economic collapse of 2008 cost the repubs the election, as it should have.

The 2008 was absolutely NOT a referendum on the Iraq War. Don't try to make shit up just to promote your own POV.

 

[JakeStarkey]

2008 was a referendum on Iraq, and don't ever think differently. The neo-cons and the neo-econs were rebuked. Righteously so.

 

[Unkotare]

2008 was a referendum on Iraq, and don't ever think differently.

It most certainly was not, you dishonest lefty revisionist. Maybe you were stoned all that time, but 2008 was about the economy, and to a lesser extent a general feeling that people were in the mood for a new flavor after 8 years of a Republican president. If any election was 'about' Iraq it was 2004.

 

[finebead]

Dumbass.....Powell showed our intel photos that showed Saddam's troops were moving stuff around prior to IAEA inspectors showing up at those sites.

He also brought up Saddam's human rights violations, support to suicide bombers, and violations of the ceasefire terms/UN resolutions.

But go on about how Saddam was innocent, etc.

Your opinion counts for 1 vote. The american people looked at the whole situation, with years of discussion behind them, and concluded in the 2008 election of Obama, that the repubs were liars and fiscally irresponsible, that they had wasted our national treasure of lives and money in Iraq for something that was not justified nor worth the price we paid for it. That's the bottom line.

The screw up of the Iraq war and the economic collapse of 2008 cost the repubs the election, as it should have.

The 2008 was absolutely NOT a referendum on the Iraq War. Don't try to make shit up just to promote your own POV.

You have the memory of a snail. Here's proof.

Senator John McCain plans to end the roughest week of his campaign by returning to New Hampshire, the state that handed him his major upset victory in 2000, and talking about the war in Iraq, an issue that has come to define his campaign.

In a speech he plans to deliver in Concord, N.H., Mr. McCain, who just returned from Iraq last week, plans to cast the 2008 presidential election as a referendum on the war in Iraq – a risky stance, given polls that show the war is increasingly unpopular.

“In November, 2008 the American people will decide with their votes how and where this war will be fought or if it will be fought at all,’’ Mr. McCain plans to say, according to excerpts of the speech obtained from the campaign.

In New Hampshire, McCain Defends Iraq War - NYTimes.com

You're just wrong.

 

[finebead]

Dumbass.....Powell showed our intel photos that showed Saddam's troops were moving stuff around prior to IAEA inspectors showing up at those sites.

He also brought up Saddam's human rights violations, support to suicide bombers, and violations of the ceasefire terms/UN resolutions.

But go on about how Saddam was innocent, etc.

Uh dumbfuck, you just said we found WMD in Iraq but then claim Scott Ritter said there was none. You need to read your own lies.

Scott Ritter is a fraud, didn't he get arrested after going on his rants? Where is he today....some mental ward?

Scott Ritter didn't have access to the intel photos that showed Saddam's troops doing weird work in the desert. If it was for show, then Saddam made a fatal mistake trying to fool us believing Bush wouldn't act out of fear Saddam had WMD.

The US military was expecting WMD attacks, asshole. The US Govt didn't know Saddam's WMD program was either shut down or mostly moved out of Iraq before the war.

But rant on about how you wish Saddam and his sons were still killing Iraqis, stealing their wealth and supporting terrorists blowing up "the Jews." Eh, Nazi....

You do realize the Saddam's political party was modeled by his uncle after the Nazis. They support your support of their efforts, despite both of your EPIC FAILS when the US military ruined it all for you and them.

Bush did not send Powell to the UN to tell them we were going into Iraq to get a few old WMD shells left from the 91 war, he sent him to tell the world that Saddam had re-started his WMD program, and they all lied.

Ritter said Iraq was not making new WMD and we had adequate monitoring to know if he did re-start the program, but he had not.

Ritter was correct, Bush, Cheney, Powell were wrong.

Showed Iraq moving WHAT STUFF around? Kaye and Duelfer reports both concluded no WMD, no active WMD development programs, and those were appointed by the Bush admin to do the inspections. You got nothing but your own spittle. Got any links?

 

[MaxCha]

Looking back, many Iraqis now say that life under Hussein was better.

I remember I spent a summer in Lebanon when I was 15, and lived in a building with dozens of Iraqi nationals. They were still in contact with their families in Iraq, and they told me how terrifying and dangerous Iraq had become since the invasion (most of them spoke English) and thought that Bush was a complete idiot.

Then I went home and heard my uncle yell at my hippie cousin and say "the Iraqi people have never been happier! They will forever be grateful!"

And I thought - what an idiot.

 

[Trajan]

1) REMOVE SADDAM
DONE
2) STABILIZE COUNTRY
DONE
3) HAVE A REPUBLIC BORN OF THESE EVENTS
DONE

Am missing something here?

yes you are, from a grand strategic/Geo-political standpoint it was a disaster.

Iraq, even under Saddam represented the only hard power check Iran recognized, and feared.

 

[JakeStarkey]

2008 was a referendum on Iraq, and don't ever think differently.

It most certainly was not, you dishonest lefty revisionist. Maybe you were stoned all that time, but 2008 was about the economy, and to a lesser extent a general feeling that people were in the mood for a new flavor after 8 years of a Republican president. If any election was 'about' Iraq it was 2004.

2004 was a vote on the success of the invasion, before the insurgency kicked out asses for three years. 2008 was about a president whose approval rate, because of the war, was hovering around 30%. The recession pushed the final knife into the corpse of neo-con Republicanism. It and its followers are outside and will remain there. Romney will never engage in such stupidity.

 

[Unkotare]

Your opinion counts for 1 vote. The american people looked at the whole situation, with years of discussion behind them, and concluded in the 2008 election of Obama, that the repubs were liars and fiscally irresponsible, that they had wasted our national treasure of lives and money in Iraq for something that was not justified nor worth the price we paid for it. That's the bottom line.

The screw up of the Iraq war and the economic collapse of 2008 cost the repubs the election, as it should have.

The 2008 was absolutely NOT a referendum on the Iraq War. Don't try to make shit up just to promote your own POV.

You have the memory of a snail. Here's proof.

Senator John McCain plans to end the roughest week of his campaign by returning to New Hampshire, the state that handed him his major upset victory in 2000, and talking about the war in Iraq, an issue that has come to define his campaign.

In a speech he plans to deliver in Concord, N.H., Mr. McCain, who just returned from Iraq last week, plans to cast the 2008 presidential election as a referendum on the war in Iraq – a risky stance, given polls that show the war is increasingly unpopular.

“In November, 2008 the American people will decide with their votes how and where this war will be fought or if it will be fought at all,’’ Mr. McCain plans to say, according to excerpts of the speech obtained from the campaign.

In New Hampshire, McCain Defends Iraq War - NYTimes.com

You're just wrong.

Yes, because it was mentioned in the campaign, that means the entire election was a referendum on the war? You can't be that stupid. If you want a campaign that was a referendum on the war, take a look at 2004. 2008 was primarily about the economy and the electorate's general interest in a change of party (even so, had McCain not run one of the worst campaigns in history...).

 

[finebead]

The 2008 was absolutely NOT a referendum on the Iraq War. Don't try to make shit up just to promote your own POV.

You have the memory of a snail. Here's proof.

Senator John McCain plans to end the roughest week of his campaign by returning to New Hampshire, the state that handed him his major upset victory in 2000, and talking about the war in Iraq, an issue that has come to define his campaign.

In a speech he plans to deliver in Concord, N.H., Mr. McCain, who just returned from Iraq last week, plans to cast the 2008 presidential election as a referendum on the war in Iraq – a risky stance, given polls that show the war is increasingly unpopular.

“In November, 2008 the American people will decide with their votes how and where this war will be fought or if it will be fought at all,’’ Mr. McCain plans to say, according to excerpts of the speech obtained from the campaign.

In New Hampshire, McCain Defends Iraq War - NYTimes.com

You're just wrong.

Yes, because it was mentioned in the campaign, that means the entire election was a referendum on the war? You can't be that stupid. If you want a campaign that was a referendum on the war, take a look at 2004. 2008 was primarily about the economy and the electorate's general interest in a change of party (even so, had McCain not run one of the worst campaigns in history...).

Can you read? Read the part in red, where it says " Mr. McCain, who just returned from Iraq last week, plans to cast the 2008 presidential election as a referendum on the war in Iraq ".

That is NOT MY OPINION, that is fact, as reported from the McCain campaign. I lived through that election. McCain wanted to continue the war indefinitely, Obama wanted to end it. It was not just mentioned, it was a major part of the election issues. You are wrong, and I have demonstrated it with support. You are that stupid. You got any support for your flawed memory?

 

[JakeStarkey]

That was McCain's position, that was how the nation saw it, and the senior admin neo-cons were horrified at what would happen if McCain lost. They would be, and were, vilified. They would not, and cannot, travel the world without fear of arrest, rightfully so. The revisionists, such as Unkotare, wiggle like an insect stuck to plyboard with a pin. Struggle, little Unkoinsect, struggle.

 

[Too Tall]

Uh, don't claim zero WMD were found in Iraq. You need to tell the idiot candyass some WMD were found in Iraq post 2003.

The WMD program that Saddam never came clean about was one reason why we invaded Iraq, human rights violations is another, and supporting terrorists attacking Israel is another. In addition violating terms of the Gulf War ceasefire and UN resolutions sealed his fate AFTER 9/11.

Before 9/11 the US was allowing the IAEA and Saddam to do their tap dance for years, but once islamic terrorists killed around 3,000 inside the US on 9/11, the game changed. The US was no longer going to allow Saddam to support terrorists and possibly pass WMD to terrorists, but of course dumbfucks like you would rather take a chance he wouldn't do it.

The few WMD found after the 2003 war were simply left over from before the '91 war. The UNSCOM team reported they had found and destroyed 96% of the WMD known about at the end of the '91 war. The stuff found after the2003 war was the left over we did not find by the time UNSCOM pulled out in '98.

That is NOT what the war in 03 was supposed to be about. Not about 'leftovers' that were not militarily viable anymore.

Scott Ritter publicly and correctly told the world Iraq had no WMD, that we had adequate monitoring capability that we would know if Iraq restarted its WMD development.

Dumbfucks like you would rather listen to liars like Bush and Cheney, and don't even concern yourselves with the cost, 1 trillion to fight the war, 4500 americans killed, 30,000 wounded, and 2 trillion in future expenses to cover the wounded.

And for what?

Epic Fail!

This is what Ritter said on PBS:

I think the danger right now is that without effective inspections, without effective monitoring, Iraq can in a very short period of time measured in months, reconstitute chemical and biological weapons, long-range ballistic missiles to deliver these weapons, and even certain aspects of their developing of nuclear weapons. program

Then he wrote his book Endgame, evolved, and found that dissing Bush sold a lot more books.