Why would anyone continue to claim the iraqi war was a failure?

[Gadawg73]

No evidence of WMDs was ever found in Iraq.

 

[GoneBezerk]

Dumbfuck...the US military never left patrolling over Iraq, we even dropped bombs on Iraq under "Bill Clinton." Bill Clinton even made it US Policy to remove Saddam from power. So should Bill Clinton be brought up on charges for making it US policy?

Saddam was bothering "nobody?" So giving aid to suicide bombers in Israel is minding his own business?

I know you're a teenage twit, so get back to your mowing the lawn, asshole.

Little boy, you are a joke compared to me.

So we violated our own laws by defending Kuwait in the 90s?

We had UNSC authorization for that one. You don't know what Article 51 says, do you? Maybe you should do your homework first, junior, before you decide to get into a big peoples conversation.

Or is it when we were defending Israel and the rest of the middle east from Saddam in 2003?

Defending against what? Hussein was in his own country and not threatening anyone. God, are stupid!

Would that be those "dots" you were referring to earlier?

Saddam attacked Kuwait, but I'm guessing you weren't alive when it happened. Your high school teacher should teach you that on Monday.

You guess a lot!

Pakistan is a "third party country" since they are not directly involved with our wars. Pakistan is playing us and the terrorists along the border, so they are a third party to the conflict you dumb mother-fucker.

Fuck off, you war-mongering asshole!

We're the terrorists in that part of the world.

 

[GoneBezerk]

Wrong, the US military uncovered WMD caches in random places many times buried. Saddam either forgot about them or kept them buried for some reason in the future.

Saddam had a WMD program....he used them on the Kurds. The thing is we didn't find the levels we thought we would when intel pics showed Saddam's troops constantly moving/burying stuff in the desert.

The most logical thing is he overplayed his remaining WMDs to scare his neighbors and he moved some out to Syria when he couldn't keep moving them to avoid the IAEA inspectors. He probably thought he could get the WMDs back once the UN grew tired of him and shut down the inspections, but 9/11 ruined that plan.

No evidence of WMDs was ever found in Iraq.

 

[Bloodline]

Saddam had WMDs, the intel community doesn't know exactly how or when it went away.

Does Syria own WMDs???? What does your left-wing kook websites tell you.

FYI....the IAEA admits the Iraq and Syria border was not monitored by them, so moving WMD across that border with Russian help is very, very easy. Those same Russians that supported Saddam until the end and today support Assad.....

You better hope Assad's WMDs don't have Saddam's fingerprints on them.....

Oh, but you are so educated by left-wing kook websites that know "the truth."

Actually left-wind kook websites don't have anything to do with it.

I get MY information from all over the place.

Ok...I'll hope Assad's WMD's don't have Saddam's fingerprint on them lol!

I doubt they will though. You see....Saddam NEVER had functional WMD to secretely ship out of the country under the cover of darkness upon our invasion.

The CIA said so.

You should know that shouldn't you....being an insider and all?

Does Syria have WMD?

I don't know.

Why don't we make up a lie that they DO though so we can invade them just like we did Iraq. Then if we don't find any weapons or any other threat that they posed to us to justify illegal "preemptive action we can make up ANOTHER lie that we actually went in to "liberate" the nation.

Oh wait....that's all already been done hasn't it?

How convenient!

An unmonitored border!

That was all the Fox News crowd needed at the time for Kool-Aid wasn't it?

"Aha! THAT'S where the WMD went! We KNEW it!"

Only no one really "knew" anything did they? It was all about defending the myth of George Bush at any cost.....to hell with the country and it's troops right?

 

[GoneBezerk]

So FOXNews is behind the WMD intel regarding Iraq, Syria,.....maybe Iran too???

I knew you don't know shit, but you finally admitted it.

Get back to those left-wing kook websites for your daily meal of bullshit.

Does Syria have WMD?

I don't know.

Why don't we make up a lie that they DO though so we can invade them just like we did Iraq. Then if we don't find any weapons or any other threat that they posed to us to justify illegal "preemptive action we can make up ANOTHER lie that we actually went in to "liberate" the nation.

Oh wait....that's all already been done hasn't it?

How convenient!

An unmonitored border!

That was all the Fox News crowd needed at the time for Kool-Aid wasn't it?

"Aha! THAT'S where the WMD went! We KNEW it!"

Only no one really "knew" anything did they? It was all about defending the myth of George Bush at any cost.....to hell with the country and it's troops right?

 

[finebead]

Wrong, the US military uncovered WMD caches in random places many times buried. Saddam either forgot about them or kept them buried for some reason in the future.

Saddam had a WMD program....he used them on the Kurds. The thing is we didn't find the levels we thought we would when intel pics showed Saddam's troops constantly moving/burying stuff in the desert.

The most logical thing is he overplayed his remaining WMDs to scare his neighbors and he moved some out to Syria when he couldn't keep moving them to avoid the IAEA inspectors. He probably thought he could get the WMDs back once the UN grew tired of him and shut down the inspections, but 9/11 ruined that plan.

No evidence of WMDs was ever found in Iraq.

The few WMD found after the 2003 war were simply left over from before the '91 war. The UNSCOM team reported they had found and destroyed 96% of the WMD known about at the end of the '91 war. The stuff found after the2003 war was the left over we did not find by the time UNSCOM pulled out in '98.

That is NOT what the war in 03 was supposed to be about. Not about 'leftovers' that were not militarily viable anymore.

 

[candycorn]

Good morning. It's Saturday, June 2. And WMDs were still not found in Iraq.

Back to your regular programming.

 

[Bloodline]

Wrong, the US military uncovered WMD caches in random places many times buried. Saddam either forgot about them or kept them buried for some reason in the future.

Saddam had a WMD program....he used them on the Kurds. The thing is we didn't find the levels we thought we would when intel pics showed Saddam's troops constantly moving/burying stuff in the desert.

The most logical thing is he overplayed his remaining WMDs to scare his neighbors and he moved some out to Syria when he couldn't keep moving them to avoid the IAEA inspectors. He probably thought he could get the WMDs back once the UN grew tired of him and shut down the inspections, but 9/11 ruined that plan.

No evidence of WMDs was ever found in Iraq.

Of course we "knew" that Saddam had the dual use materials to make the weapons at some point in the DISTANT past because WE still have the receipts!

What we also knew though was that those materials would have been so degraded they would have been useless in 2002 .

That's not something the Bush administration REALLY wanted played up for Congress and its "coalition of the willing" though.

 

[GoneBezerk]

Uh, don't claim zero WMD were found in Iraq. You need to tell the idiot candyass some WMD were found in Iraq post 2003.

The WMD program that Saddam never came clean about was one reason why we invaded Iraq, human rights violations is another, and supporting terrorists attacking Israel is another. In addition violating terms of the Gulf War ceasefire and UN resolutions sealed his fate AFTER 9/11.

Before 9/11 the US was allowing the IAEA and Saddam to do their tap dance for years, but once islamic terrorists killed around 3,000 inside the US on 9/11, the game changed. The US was no longer going to allow Saddam to support terrorists and possibly pass WMD to terrorists, but of course dumbfucks like you would rather take a chance he wouldn't do it.

Wrong, the US military uncovered WMD caches in random places many times buried. Saddam either forgot about them or kept them buried for some reason in the future.

Saddam had a WMD program....he used them on the Kurds. The thing is we didn't find the levels we thought we would when intel pics showed Saddam's troops constantly moving/burying stuff in the desert.

The most logical thing is he overplayed his remaining WMDs to scare his neighbors and he moved some out to Syria when he couldn't keep moving them to avoid the IAEA inspectors. He probably thought he could get the WMDs back once the UN grew tired of him and shut down the inspections, but 9/11 ruined that plan.

No evidence of WMDs was ever found in Iraq.

The few WMD found after the 2003 war were simply left over from before the '91 war. The UNSCOM team reported they had found and destroyed 96% of the WMD known about at the end of the '91 war. The stuff found after the2003 war was the left over we did not find by the time UNSCOM pulled out in '98.

That is NOT what the war in 03 was supposed to be about. Not about 'leftovers' that were not militarily viable anymore.

 

[GoneBezerk]

You're full of shit about your knowledge of Saddam's WMDs. You couldn't find Iraq on a map before 2003.

Saddam bought weapons over the years from Europeans, the Chinese, North Koreans and Russians AFTER we caged him up in the 90s. To claim the intel community knew nobody helped his WMD program is total bullshit, but all you post is bullshit.

Get lost....

Wrong, the US military uncovered WMD caches in random places many times buried. Saddam either forgot about them or kept them buried for some reason in the future.

Saddam had a WMD program....he used them on the Kurds. The thing is we didn't find the levels we thought we would when intel pics showed Saddam's troops constantly moving/burying stuff in the desert.

The most logical thing is he overplayed his remaining WMDs to scare his neighbors and he moved some out to Syria when he couldn't keep moving them to avoid the IAEA inspectors. He probably thought he could get the WMDs back once the UN grew tired of him and shut down the inspections, but 9/11 ruined that plan.

No evidence of WMDs was ever found in Iraq.

Of course we "knew" that Saddam had the dual use materials to make the weapons at some point in the DISTANT past because WE still have the receipts!

What we also knew though was that those materials would have been so degraded they would have been useless in 2002 .

That's not something the Bush administration REALLY wanted played up for Congress and its "coalition of the willing" though.

 

[GoneBezerk]

Moron....even your fellow left-wing kooks admit WMD were found during the second Gulf War.

You need to get your lies together.

Good morning. It's Saturday, June 2. And WMDs were still not found in Iraq.

Back to your regular programming.

 

[finebead]

Uh, don't claim zero WMD were found in Iraq. You need to tell the idiot candyass some WMD were found in Iraq post 2003.

The WMD program that Saddam never came clean about was one reason why we invaded Iraq, human rights violations is another, and supporting terrorists attacking Israel is another. In addition violating terms of the Gulf War ceasefire and UN resolutions sealed his fate AFTER 9/11.

Before 9/11 the US was allowing the IAEA and Saddam to do their tap dance for years, but once islamic terrorists killed around 3,000 inside the US on 9/11, the game changed. The US was no longer going to allow Saddam to support terrorists and possibly pass WMD to terrorists, but of course dumbfucks like you would rather take a chance he wouldn't do it.

Wrong, the US military uncovered WMD caches in random places many times buried. Saddam either forgot about them or kept them buried for some reason in the future.

Saddam had a WMD program....he used them on the Kurds. The thing is we didn't find the levels we thought we would when intel pics showed Saddam's troops constantly moving/burying stuff in the desert.

The most logical thing is he overplayed his remaining WMDs to scare his neighbors and he moved some out to Syria when he couldn't keep moving them to avoid the IAEA inspectors. He probably thought he could get the WMDs back once the UN grew tired of him and shut down the inspections, but 9/11 ruined that plan.

The few WMD found after the 2003 war were simply left over from before the '91 war. The UNSCOM team reported they had found and destroyed 96% of the WMD known about at the end of the '91 war. The stuff found after the2003 war was the left over we did not find by the time UNSCOM pulled out in '98.

That is NOT what the war in 03 was supposed to be about. Not about 'leftovers' that were not militarily viable anymore.

Scott Ritter publicly and correctly told the world Iraq had no WMD, that we had adequate monitoring capability that we would know if Iraq restarted its WMD development.

Dumbfucks like you would rather listen to liars like Bush and Cheney, and don't even concern yourselves with the cost, 1 trillion to fight the war, 4500 americans killed, 30,000 wounded, and 2 trillion in future expenses to cover the wounded.

And for what?

Epic Fail!

 

[GoneBezerk]

Uh dumbfuck, you just said we found WMD in Iraq but then claim Scott Ritter said there was none. You need to read your own lies.

Scott Ritter is a fraud, didn't he get arrested after going on his rants? Where is he today....some mental ward? I believe he is in jail on a second charge of trying to screw underage girls.

Scott Ritter didn't have access to the intel photos that showed Saddam's troops doing weird work in the desert. If it was for show, then Saddam made a fatal mistake trying to fool us believing Bush wouldn't act out of fear Saddam had WMD.

The US military was expecting WMD attacks, asshole. The US Govt didn't know Saddam's WMD program was either shut down or mostly moved out of Iraq before the war.

But rant on about how you wish Saddam and his sons were still killing Iraqis, stealing their wealth and supporting terrorists blowing up "the Jews." Eh, Nazi....

You do realize the Saddam's political party was modeled by his uncle after the Nazis. They support your support of their efforts, despite both of your EPIC FAILS when the US military ruined it all for you and them.

Uh, don't claim zero WMD were found in Iraq. You need to tell the idiot candyass some WMD were found in Iraq post 2003.

The WMD program that Saddam never came clean about was one reason why we invaded Iraq, human rights violations is another, and supporting terrorists attacking Israel is another. In addition violating terms of the Gulf War ceasefire and UN resolutions sealed his fate AFTER 9/11.

Before 9/11 the US was allowing the IAEA and Saddam to do their tap dance for years, but once islamic terrorists killed around 3,000 inside the US on 9/11, the game changed. The US was no longer going to allow Saddam to support terrorists and possibly pass WMD to terrorists, but of course dumbfucks like you would rather take a chance he wouldn't do it.

The few WMD found after the 2003 war were simply left over from before the '91 war. The UNSCOM team reported they had found and destroyed 96% of the WMD known about at the end of the '91 war. The stuff found after the2003 war was the left over we did not find by the time UNSCOM pulled out in '98.

That is NOT what the war in 03 was supposed to be about. Not about 'leftovers' that were not militarily viable anymore.

Scott Ritter publicly and correctly told the world Iraq had no WMD, that we had adequate monitoring capability that we would know if Iraq restarted its WMD development.

Dumbfucks like you would rather listen to liars like Bush and Cheney, and don't even concern yourselves with the cost, 1 trillion to fight the war, 4500 americans killed, 30,000 wounded, and 2 trillion in future expenses to cover the wounded.

And for what?

Epic Fail!

 

[Mac1958]

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GoneBezerk, looks to me like you'll be willing to agree to something which JRK has chosen to avoid. Please let me know if you agree with the following:

The benefits of the Iraq War have been worth the following:

• 4,486 American soldiers killed
• 33,184 American soldiers wounded
• Dozens of thousands of American soldiers returning with significant emotional/mental damage
• Thousands of American military families destroyed or gravely damaged
• Thousands of American children being told they'll never see Daddy again
• Approximately $818 billion that we are borrowing
• The clear possibility that enemies will take over in Iraq after we leave
• The balance of power in the Middle East shifting to Iran after Saddam's demise

I'm asking a serious, sincere, reasonable question. Name-calling and personal insults are not necessary, nor is diversion.

All of the above are facts. It was worth it, yes or no?


.

 

[Bloodline]

You're full of shit about your knowledge of Saddam's WMDs. You couldn't find Iraq on a map before 2003.

Saddam bought weapons over the years from Europeans, the Chinese, North Koreans and Russians AFTER we caged him up in the 90s. To claim the intel community knew nobody helped his WMD program is total bullshit, but all you post is bullshit.

Get lost....

Wrong, the US military uncovered WMD caches in random places many times buried. Saddam either forgot about them or kept them buried for some reason in the future.

Saddam had a WMD program....he used them on the Kurds. The thing is we didn't find the levels we thought we would when intel pics showed Saddam's troops constantly moving/burying stuff in the desert.

The most logical thing is he overplayed his remaining WMDs to scare his neighbors and he moved some out to Syria when he couldn't keep moving them to avoid the IAEA inspectors. He probably thought he could get the WMDs back once the UN grew tired of him and shut down the inspections, but 9/11 ruined that plan.

Of course we "knew" that Saddam had the dual use materials to make the weapons at some point in the DISTANT past because WE still have the receipts!

What we also knew though was that those materials would have been so degraded they would have been useless in 2002 .

That's not something the Bush administration REALLY wanted played up for Congress and its "coalition of the willing" though.

Ok.

Going out to enjoy a Saturday.

I'll be back to bitch slap you some more later OK?

 

[GoneBezerk]

Your 8 hour shift at Burger King starts in 30 minutes.

You're full of shit about your knowledge of Saddam's WMDs. You couldn't find Iraq on a map before 2003.

Saddam bought weapons over the years from Europeans, the Chinese, North Koreans and Russians AFTER we caged him up in the 90s. To claim the intel community knew nobody helped his WMD program is total bullshit, but all you post is bullshit.

Get lost....

Of course we "knew" that Saddam had the dual use materials to make the weapons at some point in the DISTANT past because WE still have the receipts!

What we also knew though was that those materials would have been so degraded they would have been useless in 2002 .

That's not something the Bush administration REALLY wanted played up for Congress and its "coalition of the willing" though.

Ok.

Going out to enjoy a Saturday.

I'll be back to bitch slap you some more later OK?

 

[GoneBezerk]

So no US military women were killed in Iraq? Oh, but nice try with the "Daddy" comment.

The troops that died in Iraq is never a good thing, but the number is tiny compared to other wars.

The majority of the dead troops are because of mistakes made in the post-war efforts when we blocked Baath party members from important roles in the new Iraq. That caused the insurgents and terrorists to turn the country into a mess for awhile until we changed our course with the Sunni people.

So the mistakes made after we took control of the country don't support your false premise that Saddam shouldn't be removed from power for various reasons. You wouldn't have a pot to pee in if we didn't screw up the internal politics inside Iraq with the Baath party.

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GoneBezerk, looks to me like you'll be willing to agree to something which JRK has chosen to avoid. Please let me know if you agree with the following:

The benefits of the Iraq War have been worth the following:

• 4,486 American soldiers killed
• 33,184 American soldiers wounded
• Dozens of thousands of American soldiers returning with significant emotional/mental damage
• Thousands of American military families destroyed or gravely damaged
• Thousands of American children being told they'll never see Daddy again
• Approximately $818 billion that we are borrowing
• The clear possibility that enemies will take over in Iraq after we leave
• The balance of power in the Middle East shifting to Iran after Saddam's demise

I'm asking a serious, sincere, reasonable question. Name-calling and personal insults are not necessary, nor is diversion.

All of the above are facts. It was worth it, yes or no?


.

 

[Mac1958]

So no US military women were killed in Iraq? Oh, but nice try with the "Daddy" comment.

The troops that died in Iraq is never a good thing, but the number is tiny compared to other wars.

The majority of the dead troops are because of mistakes made in the post-war efforts when we blocked Baath party members from important roles in the new Iraq. That caused the insurgents and terrorists to turn the country into a mess for awhile until we changed our course with the Sunni people.

So the mistakes made after we took control of the country don't support your false premise that Saddam shouldn't be removed from power for various reasons. You wouldn't have a pot to pee in if we didn't screw up the internal politics inside Iraq with the Baath party.

.

GoneBezerk, looks to me like you'll be willing to agree to something which JRK has chosen to avoid. Please let me know if you agree with the following:

The benefits of the Iraq War have been worth the following:

• 4,486 American soldiers killed
• 33,184 American soldiers wounded
• Dozens of thousands of American soldiers returning with significant emotional/mental damage
• Thousands of American military families destroyed or gravely damaged
• Thousands of American children being told they'll never see Daddy again
• Approximately $818 billion that we are borrowing
• The clear possibility that enemies will take over in Iraq after we leave
• The balance of power in the Middle East shifting to Iran after Saddam's demise

I'm asking a serious, sincere, reasonable question. Name-calling and personal insults are not necessary, nor is diversion.

All of the above are facts. It was worth it, yes or no?


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Don't see an answer to my very direct question there, so I'll try again.

Worth it, yes or no?

.

 

[finebead]

Uh dumbfuck, you just said we found WMD in Iraq but then claim Scott Ritter said there was none. You need to read your own lies.

Scott Ritter is a fraud, didn't he get arrested after going on his rants? Where is he today....some mental ward?

Scott Ritter didn't have access to the intel photos that showed Saddam's troops doing weird work in the desert. If it was for show, then Saddam made a fatal mistake trying to fool us believing Bush wouldn't act out of fear Saddam had WMD.

The US military was expecting WMD attacks, asshole. The US Govt didn't know Saddam's WMD program was either shut down or mostly moved out of Iraq before the war.

But rant on about how you wish Saddam and his sons were still killing Iraqis, stealing their wealth and supporting terrorists blowing up "the Jews." Eh, Nazi....

You do realize the Saddam's political party was modeled by his uncle after the Nazis. They support your support of their efforts, despite both of your EPIC FAILS when the US military ruined it all for you and them.

Uh, don't claim zero WMD were found in Iraq. You need to tell the idiot candyass some WMD were found in Iraq post 2003.

The WMD program that Saddam never came clean about was one reason why we invaded Iraq, human rights violations is another, and supporting terrorists attacking Israel is another. In addition violating terms of the Gulf War ceasefire and UN resolutions sealed his fate AFTER 9/11.

Before 9/11 the US was allowing the IAEA and Saddam to do their tap dance for years, but once islamic terrorists killed around 3,000 inside the US on 9/11, the game changed. The US was no longer going to allow Saddam to support terrorists and possibly pass WMD to terrorists, but of course dumbfucks like you would rather take a chance he wouldn't do it.

Scott Ritter publicly and correctly told the world Iraq had no WMD, that we had adequate monitoring capability that we would know if Iraq restarted its WMD development.

Dumbfucks like you would rather listen to liars like Bush and Cheney, and don't even concern yourselves with the cost, 1 trillion to fight the war, 4500 americans killed, 30,000 wounded, and 2 trillion in future expenses to cover the wounded.

And for what?

Epic Fail!

Bush did not send Powell to the UN to tell them we were going into Iraq to get a few old WMD shells left from the 91 war, he sent him to tell the world that Saddam had re-started his WMD program, and they all lied.

Ritter said Iraq was not making new WMD and we had adequate monitoring to know if he did re-start the program, but he had not.

Ritter was correct, Bush, Cheney, Powell were wrong.

 

[GoneBezerk]

Uh, yes.

Instead of needing to worry about keeping Saddam in his box we can focus on fighting the Taliban in Afghanistan, al qaeda worldwide and emerging issues in Syria and Iran.

Would your messiah Obamination be brave enough to bomb Libya to remove their dictator when a worse one in Saddam was still doing his thing in Iraq? Saddam had a larger military, had used WMDs and even supports terrorists more recently than Qaddaffi......that would look strange going after Qaddaffi.

Today Iraq is more of an ally than before the war, we are in fact selling them F-16s and will train their pilots here. We are slowly grooming their military to be professional troops to follow international law and protect human rights.

Of course, you can go to Iraq today and tell them about how good life was under Saddam.....but I doubt you'd survive.

So no US military women were killed in Iraq? Oh, but nice try with the "Daddy" comment.

The troops that died in Iraq is never a good thing, but the number is tiny compared to other wars.

The majority of the dead troops are because of mistakes made in the post-war efforts when we blocked Baath party members from important roles in the new Iraq. That caused the insurgents and terrorists to turn the country into a mess for awhile until we changed our course with the Sunni people.

So the mistakes made after we took control of the country don't support your false premise that Saddam shouldn't be removed from power for various reasons. You wouldn't have a pot to pee in if we didn't screw up the internal politics inside Iraq with the Baath party.

.

GoneBezerk, looks to me like you'll be willing to agree to something which JRK has chosen to avoid. Please let me know if you agree with the following:

The benefits of the Iraq War have been worth the following:

• 4,486 American soldiers killed
• 33,184 American soldiers wounded
• Dozens of thousands of American soldiers returning with significant emotional/mental damage
• Thousands of American military families destroyed or gravely damaged
• Thousands of American children being told they'll never see Daddy again
• Approximately $818 billion that we are borrowing
• The clear possibility that enemies will take over in Iraq after we leave
• The balance of power in the Middle East shifting to Iran after Saddam's demise

I'm asking a serious, sincere, reasonable question. Name-calling and personal insults are not necessary, nor is diversion.

All of the above are facts. It was worth it, yes or no?


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Don't see an answer to my very direct question there, so I'll try again.

Worth it, yes or no?

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