Billo_Really
Litre of the Band
That's okay, you're not a legitimate debater.Just FYI kid, wiki is NOT a legitimate source.
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That's okay, you're not a legitimate debater.Just FYI kid, wiki is NOT a legitimate source.
Just FYI kid, wiki is NOT a legitimate source.
OK punk I'll defeat you with YOUR SOURCE.
On page 209 of this thread, I said:
On page 209 of this thread you said:
Now in YOUR source just above, from NPR, we have:
Feb. 4, 2008 -- Last fall, as the subprime housing crisis intensified, the economy replaced the war in Iraq as the top concern for Americans.
It is CLEAR from your source, as well as every one that I have cited, that the situation was EXACTLY as I originally stated, that the screw up of the Iraq war and the economic collapse of 2008 cost the repubs the election.
Geez, after Bush presided over economic collapse, the war in Iraq fell from 1 to 2 in importance. It was still a major issue in the election, and I have been right all along. Even per your source.
You need to learn how to read not just quote, kid. Wiki can't cure your stupidity, junior.
2004 was a vote on the success of the invasion, before the insurgency kicked out asses for three years. 2008 was about a president whose approval rate, because of the war, was hovering around 30%. The recession pushed the final knife into the corpse of neo-con Republicanism. It and its followers are outside and will remain there. Romney will never engage in such stupidity.
You have a short memory, kid. By the 2004 election the insurgency was in full effect, Abu Ghraib had taken place, the failure to find WMDs was a hot issue, a video showing contractor Nicholas Berg being beheaded by insurgents had made the rounds; and second guessing, media attack, and democrats in congress running from their own positions and declaring failure was all over the news.
By the 2008 election the surge had been vindicated as successful and Iraq was moving toward greater stability.
The 2008 election was about the economy, McCain's horrible campaign, and a full-on media assault on Palin with one hand while fondling obama's sack with the other.
I already showed you above the quote, McCain wanted to make the 2008 election a referendum on the war in Iraq. (page 210, post 3138) You have failed to respond with anything except your "opinion".
So, here we go again, McCain saying he'd be fine staying in Iraq for 100 years. The american people didn't want that, and didn't trust the repubs to execute properly, so they voted against McCain.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFknKVjuyNk&feature=related]McCain: 100 years in Iraq "would be fine with me" - YouTube[/ame]
The Iraq war was a central issue in the 2008 election because the american people wanted it over with. Obama promised to get combat troops out, McCain didn't. McCain lost.
Of course the economic collapse presided over by Bush with the housing bubble and failure to regulate the mortgage market and banking system angered people, but Iraq was also a big issue, and I have repeatedly shown it, which is more than you can say, you have shown NOTHING.
Unkotare has failed.
2008, by McCain's own admission, was a referendum on the Iraq War.
OK punk I'll defeat you with YOUR SOURCE.
On page 209 of this thread, I said:
On page 209 of this thread you said:
Now in YOUR source just above, from NPR, we have:
It is CLEAR from your source, as well as every one that I have cited, that the situation was EXACTLY as I originally stated, that the screw up of the Iraq war and the economic collapse of 2008 cost the repubs the election.
Geez, after Bush presided over economic collapse, the war in Iraq fell from 1 to 2 in importance. It was still a major issue in the election, and I have been right all along. Even per your source.
You need to learn how to read not just quote, kid. Wiki can't cure your stupidity, junior.
You have lost the debate, and don't have the common decency to admit it, or just leave like most others. .
1) REMOVE SADDAM
DONE
2) STABILIZE COUNTRY
DONE
3) HAVE A REPUBLIC BORN OF THESE EVENTS
DONE
Am missing something here?
1) REMOVE SADDAM
DONE
2) STABILIZE COUNTRY
DONE
3) HAVE A REPUBLIC BORN OF THESE EVENTS
DONE
Am missing something here?
Ya. The cost.
We could have worked within Iraq covertly to establish some crediblity to kill Saddam and gone ahead and killed him allowing a "whole" Iraq to establish his successor. If that guy didn't work out ..repeat until a satisfactory leader emmerged.
This could have all been done a thousand times cheaper and with 5,000 fewer Americans killed, hundred thousands less wounded trillions less spent. Thousands fewer terrorists created.
You liberals and your childish name calling blows me away. your not taken serious by any-one after your first name calling event
I have no idea who you people are and have nothing against you. I post factual information that is 100% from links.
I really am amazed at that getting some-one into a 1st grade on the play ground childish rant
Wa Wa Wa
Actually you seem perfectly suited to a 1st grade playground.
Wa...Wa....WOOF!
So, when are you going to try posting something "factual" again?
So no US military women were killed in Iraq? Oh, but nice try with the "Daddy" comment.
The troops that died in Iraq is never a good thing, but the number is tiny compared to other wars.
The majority of the dead troops are because of mistakes made in the post-war efforts when we blocked Baath party members from important roles in the new Iraq. That caused the insurgents and terrorists to turn the country into a mess for awhile until we changed our course with the Sunni people.
So the mistakes made after we took control of the country don't support your false premise that Saddam shouldn't be removed from power for various reasons. You wouldn't have a pot to pee in if we didn't screw up the internal politics inside Iraq with the Baath party.
Don't see an answer to my very direct question there, so I'll try again.
Worth it, yes or no?
.
Not only yes, but hell yes.
Obama is proving marginally usable, to end the debacle of American presence in Iraq, evident since the CIA supported Saddam's career, since 1958, and likely before, concurrent with the 1953 CIA and MI6 involvement in Iran, to install the Shah, which also resulted in the creation, of modern BP.The Iraq war was a central issue in the 2008 election because the american people wanted it over with. Obama promised to get combat troops out, McCain didn't. McCain lost.
Of course the economic collapse presided over by Bush with the housing bubble and failure to regulate the mortgage market and banking system angered people, but Iraq was also a big issue, and I have repeatedly shown it, which is more than you can say, you have shown NOTHING.
Obama is proving marginally usable, to end the debacle of American presence in Iraq, evident since the CIA supported Saddam's career, since 1958, and likely before, concurrent with the 1953 CIA and MI6 involvement in Iran, to install the Shah, which also resulted in the creation, of modern BP.The Iraq war was a central issue in the 2008 election because the american people wanted it over with. Obama promised to get combat troops out, McCain didn't. McCain lost.
Of course the economic collapse presided over by Bush with the housing bubble and failure to regulate the mortgage market and banking system angered people, but Iraq was also a big issue, and I have repeatedly shown it, which is more than you can say, you have shown NOTHING.
But notice Bill Clinton signed deregulation, of courts, energy, and banks (1999). Obama bailed the banks, in 2008, and he calls Jamie Dimon 'smart.'
In 2008, Obama told governors public healthcare was off the table, to be followed with 2700 pages of private-insurer debacle, known as Obamacare. The Democrats lost the House in 2010 and finally tried to pass biomass research, which lost, 2012. Obama signed NDAA, killed more people with drones in four years, and his USDOJ busted more pot clubs, than GW Bush did, in eight years.
'Barak' is the name of an ancient Israelite general. Obama keeps thinking he can get fascists to vote for him, but they keep coming up with 'birther' allegations. What a zoo.
U.S. removes 'yellowcake' from Iraq - World news - Mideast/N. Africa - Conflict in Iraq - msnbc.comhere and now
The removal of 550 metric tons of "yellowcake" — the seed material for higher-grade nuclear enrichment — was a significant step toward closing the books on Saddam's nuclear legacy. It also brought relief to U.S. and Iraqi authorities who had worried the cache would reach insurgents or smugglers crossing to Iran to aid its nuclear ambitions.
Report: Uranium Stockpile Removed From Iraq in Secret U.S. Mission | Fox News
You liberals and your childish name calling blows me away. your not taken serious by any-one after your first name calling event
I have no idea who you people are and have nothing against you. I post factual information that is 100% from links.
I really am amazed at that getting some-one into a 1st grade on the play ground childish rant
Wa Wa Wa
Actually you seem perfectly suited to a 1st grade playground.
Wa...Wa....WOOF!
So, when are you going to try posting something "factual" again?
here and now
The removal of 550 metric tons of "yellowcake" the seed material for higher-grade nuclear enrichment was a significant step toward closing the books on Saddam's nuclear legacy. It also brought relief to U.S. and Iraqi authorities who had worried the cache would reach insurgents or smugglers crossing to Iran to aid its nuclear ambitions.
Report: Uranium Stockpile Removed From Iraq in Secret U.S. Mission | Fox News
U.S. removes 'yellowcake' from Iraq - World news - Mideast/N. Africa - Conflict in Iraq - msnbc.comhere and now
The removal of 550 metric tons of "yellowcake" the seed material for higher-grade nuclear enrichment was a significant step toward closing the books on Saddam's nuclear legacy. It also brought relief to U.S. and Iraqi authorities who had worried the cache would reach insurgents or smugglers crossing to Iran to aid its nuclear ambitions.
Report: Uranium Stockpile Removed From Iraq in Secret U.S. Mission | Fox News
"Israeli warplanes bombed a reactor project at the site in 1981. Later, U.N. inspectors documented and safeguarded the yellowcake, which had been stored in aging drums and containers since before the 1991 Gulf War. There was no evidence of any yellowcake dating from after 1991, the official said."
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/07/world/africa/07iht-iraq.4.14301928.html
"The yellowcake removed from Iraq - which was not the same yellowcake that President George W. Bush claimed, in a now discredited section of his 2003 State of the Union address, that Saddam was trying to purchase in Africa - could be used in an early stage of the nuclear fuel cycle. Only after intensive processing would it become low-enriched uranium, which could fuel reactors producing power. Highly enriched uranium can be used in nuclear bombs."
Hey. Jerkoff! You are a ranting idiot.
1. Saddam was a CIA client, at least since 1958, so fuck off, the US was teeing off on Iraq, the whole time;
2. GHW Bush got cold feet, on the road to Basra, which let GW Bush and Cheney tee off on Iraq when the CIA and FBI blew off leads, where both three-letter punk-bureaus knew the 9/11 terrorists were in the US and active, so now we have to have a DHS, and GW Bush wanted two wars, with Sunnis, since he is an asshole, and shit is number 2;
3. In operation Curveball, GW Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and the conspirators in that fascist administration used a lying Iraqi informant, to justify lying to Congress;
4. No WMDs were found in Iraq, and your stupid rants about yellowcake refer to unusable crap in aging drums, from the 1981 Israeli raid, and no yellowcake referred to by lying GW Bush was found.
You are a lying asshole. Shut the fuck up, 212 pages late, you narcissistic fucktard.
Lets skip strike 1 and go straight to strike 2 to the ignore list...
Actually you seem perfectly suited to a 1st grade playground.
Wa...Wa....WOOF!
So, when are you going to try posting something "factual" again?
here and now
The removal of 550 metric tons of "yellowcake" the seed material for higher-grade nuclear enrichment was a significant step toward closing the books on Saddam's nuclear legacy. It also brought relief to U.S. and Iraqi authorities who had worried the cache would reach insurgents or smugglers crossing to Iran to aid its nuclear ambitions.
Report: Uranium Stockpile Removed From Iraq in Secret U.S. Mission | Fox News
As usual you Bush suck ups try to play treason with his terrorism against Iraq. Their were no WMD in Iraq when Bush attacked and murdered over one and a half million innocent Iraqi people.
Saddam was another American failed puppet and the Bush/Rumsfeld/Cheney axis of evil were the ones that sold Saddam the classified information to make his chemical and biological weapons as well as the chemicals through Cheney's Serle company.
Bush is nothing but a treasonous murdering dog that will get what he deserves like the rest of his Nazi supporting family.
You traitors that want to continue terrorism wars need to move to Israel where your terrorist support will be welcome.
Tardy, don't forget to notice how full of shit you are, in traffic. GWs gang used a lying informant, to dupe Congress. Nobody found WMDs. Saddam was a CIA client-asset, in 1958, and GWH konked out, on the road to Basra, so GW could be a lying hero.Dumbass.....Powell showed our intel photos that showed Saddam's troops were moving stuff around prior to IAEA inspectors showing up at those sites. He also brought up Saddam's human rights violations, support to suicide bombers, and violations of the ceasefire terms/UN resolutions.
But go on about how Saddam was innocent, etc.
You are a punk-fuck, who ducks issues and spams. Eat shit and die.
Colin Powell is the first to state publicly now he was conned.
Why do you think he was pushed out of the administration?
Powell, Nam combat vet.
Bush, Commander In Wannahbe.
The UN speech Powell gave was full of factual problems.
The military knew better. Their version of that speech amongst the top brass in the Pentagon was it was cooked.
Powell stated that speech was a blot on his record. It was a complete fraud.