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The south knew slavery was a fading practice.That's hilarious coming from an idiot that doesn't have a clue as to what they're talking about.
The majority of Texans did not own slaves; those who did owned very few. Within the slaveholding population, the majority owned fewer than five slaves, with a quarter of slave owners owning only one. A fifth of the Lone Star slaveholders owned 96 percent of the claves. Only sixty Texans owned a hundred or more....
The lie that only very few southerners owned slaves is a particularly rampant one in the Lost Cause meme.
Heard time and time again is the apology to somehow cast the southerners who went to war as fighting only for a noble cause, and not to protect slavery.
But when you consider more than one on four rebels who took up arms against the North came from slaveholding families (and one in two in a few other states) it presents a different picture.
One could say, yes, well, those were families - just because pop owned the slave, doesn't mean the boys did too.
However, that slave labor on their property, in some form or another, helped provide them food, shelter and money, and also helped formulate their future wealth they could, and most often did, inherit.
Slave labor provided so much of just about everything when it came to the commerce of the South.
The vast majority of slaveholding families (just shy of 90%) had under 20 slaves, 50% under 5. Now consider the sheer volume of slaves: Just shy of 4 million. Out of a total 9 million populace.
Slavery was everywhere, and touched their lives in every way -- they were full up to the brim in it, immersed in it, and that is why the "most southerners didn't own slaves" -- while true in raw numbers -- belies the notion in actuality those boys were fighting to preserve what they knew was literally their lifeblood.
That's hilarious coming from an idiot that doesn't have a clue as to what they're talking about.
The majority of Texans did not own slaves; those who did owned very few. Within the slaveholding population, the majority owned fewer than five slaves, with a quarter of slave owners owning only one. A fifth of the Lone Star slaveholders owned 96 percent of the claves. Only sixty Texans owned a hundred or more....
The lie that only very few southerners owned slaves is a particularly rampant one in the Lost Cause meme.
Heard time and time again is the apology to somehow cast the southerners who went to war as fighting only for a noble cause, and not to protect slavery.
But when you consider more than one on four rebels who took up arms against the North came from slaveholding families (and one in two in a few other states) it presents a different picture.
One could say, yes, well, those were families - just because pop owned the slave, doesn't mean the boys did too.
However, that slave labor on their property, in some form or another, helped provide them food, shelter and money, and also helped formulate their future wealth they could, and most often did, inherit.
Slave labor provided so much of just about everything when it came to the commerce of the South.
The vast majority of slaveholding families (just shy of 90%) had under 20 slaves, 50% under 5. Now consider the sheer volume of slaves: Just shy of 4 million. Out of a total 9 million populace.
Slavery was everywhere, and touched their lives in every way -- they were full up to the brim in it, immersed in it, and that is why the "most southerners didn't own slaves" -- while true in raw numbers -- belies the notion in actuality those boys were fighting to preserve what they knew was literally their lifeblood.
Those Dems are todays Repubs.Those signs are from the Democrat inspired Jim Crowe days.Repubs have put out a sign that says they dont want to do business with Blacks.Bull. Democrats have bought their votes.Republicans have convinced African Americans that they want to turn back the clock to the days of slavery and Jim Crow. I got a message for them. It aint happenin on my watch..White democrats have convinced Afro-Americans they are incapable of achieving anything without white liberal guidance.Will African Americans be attracted to a party of angry White men? A party that promises to set them adrift without largess for food, shelter and clothing? A party that fights tooth and nail to repress wages for working families?
Figure it out.
out "it's about slavery" dude.^ That's what this thread needs. The full bore racists not afraid to say they fly the flag of the old racist Conservative democrats who were willing to fight to the death to preserve, protect and expand slavery -- to fight -- oppression!Yup..Good eye!
Can't sneak anything by you.
Oh?
So what?
The flag of patriots who opposed federal gvmt oppression and were brave enough to back up their convictions.
"Brave enough to back up their convictions" (!) in a "country" they formed where nearly half the population was in chains, and bought and sold as farm animals, the remaining half of that was property of their men. But, damn! Those conservatives were ready to die -- to fight oppression!
Yeeehaaaaw!
the confederate flag is a piece of history, it is not a symbol of racism.
It is the symbol of a group of states who tried to leave the United States in order to protect the institution of enslaving black humans.
You obviously have not idea what the civil war was about. Sad, truly sad. Thanks, teachers union. You have produced a generation of idiots.
Preserving, protecting and expanding...slavery.
It was their literally the lifeblood of their economy.
Nearly four million men, women and children in chains out of a total population of nine million in the South. Nearly one in three southern families owned slaves. Everything was built around the institution.
The collective wealth tied up in those slaves was over 3 billion dollars.
That is yes, with a B. Three BILLION. Not in today dollars, adjusted for inflation -- Then dollars. Three BILLION in 1860 dollars.
If you wanted to buy all the railroads, factories and banks in the entire country at that time, it would have only cost you about $2.5 billion.
----> slaves were by far the largest concentration of property in the country. A stunning figure, Think on that.
The South was not about to give that up.
It was. About. Slavery. Preserving, protecting & expanding.
Stephan Dodson Ramseur, Confederate general: "...Slavery, the very source of our existence, the greatest blessing both for Master & Slave that could have been bestowed upon us."
Albert Gallatin Brown, U.S. Senator from Mississippi, December 27, 1860: "Mr. President, it seems to me that northern Senators most pertinaciously overlook the main point at issue between the two sections of our Confederacy. We claim that there is property in slaves, and they deny it. Until we shall settle, upon some basis, that point of controversy, it is idle to talk of going any further."
Richmond Enquirer, 1856: "Democratic liberty exists solely because we have slaves . . . freedom is not possible without slavery."
Atlanta Confederacy, 1860: "We regard every man in our midst an enemy to the institutions of the South, who does not boldly declare that he believes African slavery to be a social, moral, and political blessing."
G. T. Yelverton, of Coffee County, Alabama, speaking to the Alabama Secession Convention on January 25, 1861: "The question of Slavery is the rock upon which the Old Government split: it is the cause of secession."
John B. Baldwin, Augusta County delegate to the Virginia Secession Convention, March 21, 1861: "I say, then, that viewed from that standpoint, there is but one single subject of complaint which Virginia has to make against the government under which we live; a complaint made by the whole South, and that is on the subject of African slavery...."
You wrote that long winded post but ignored the fact that the south said on several occasions it was about slavery. I thought they let convicts have access to the library while in the pen?That you are retarded for implying the civil war was not about slavery. Did you really think I wouldnt bust you.......again?And people want to say the civil war was about slavery because less than five percent of the south owned slaves? hahaha That's funny.
No dimwit. They say that because the states that seceded from the Union say so in their articles of secession. remember the Cornerstone Speech? Your dumb ass is getting schooled today arent you?
Mississippi Declaration of Secession
Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery - the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product, which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun.
Cornerstone Speech - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
.Stephens' March 1861 speech declared that African slavery was the "immediate cause" of secession, and that the Confederate Constitution had put to rest the "agitating questions" as to the "proper status of the negro in our form of civilization".
And your point is?
And people want to say the civil war was about slavery because less than five percent of the south owned slaves? hahaha That's funny.
It wasn't about slavery. Nothing could actually be further from the truth. The War Between the States began because the South demanded States' rights and were not getting them.
The Congress at that time heavily favored the industrialized northern states to the point of demanding that the South sell is cotton and other raw materials only to the factories in the north, rather than to other countries. The Congress also taxed the finished materials that the northern industries produced heavily, making finished products that the South wanted, unaffordable. The Civil War should not have occurred. If the Northern States and their representatives in Congress had only listened to the problems of the South, and stopped these practices that were almost like the taxation without representation of Great Britain, then the Southern states would not have seceded and the war would not have occurred.
Slavery was a part of those greater issues, but it was not the reason the Southern States seceded from the Union, nor fought the Civil War. It certainly was a Southern institution that was part of the economic system of the plantations, and because of that, it was part and parcel of the economic reasons that the South formed the Confederacy.
Thats what the war the loser south fought was about.^ That's what this thread needs. The full bore racists not afraid to say they fly the flag of the old racist Conservative democrats who were willing to fight to the death to preserve, protect and expand slavery -- to fight -- oppression!Yup..Good eye!Proudly flying the flag, I see.There's no limit to the rewriting of history by the Right. Where to begin?
Can't sneak anything by you.
The same one AveGuyIA proudly owned as his avatar as one time.
Oh?
So what?
The flag of patriots who opposed federal gvmt oppression and were brave enough to back up their convictions.The old flag...of democrats.
"Brave enough to back up their convictions" (!) in a "country" they formed where nearly half the population was in chains, and bought and sold as farm animals, the remaining half of that was property of their men. But, damn! Those conservatives were ready to die -- to fight oppression!
Yeeehaaaaw!
That's not what the war of northern aggression was about. ..but do carry on.
You obviously cant read. Cornerstone Speech should tell you in english what the south fought over. You lost so I can see why you would try to change the narrative.^ That's what this thread needs. The full bore racists not afraid to say they fly the flag of the old racist Conservative democrats who were willing to fight to the death to preserve, protect and expand slavery -- to fight -- oppression!Yup..Good eye!Proudly flying the flag, I see.
Can't sneak anything by you.
The same one AveGuyIA proudly owned as his avatar as one time.
Oh?
So what?
The flag of patriots who opposed federal gvmt oppression and were brave enough to back up their convictions.The old flag...of democrats.
"Brave enough to back up their convictions" (!) in a "country" they formed where nearly half the population was in chains, and bought and sold as farm animals, the remaining half of that was property of their men. But, damn! Those conservatives were ready to die -- to fight oppression!
Yeeehaaaaw!
the confederate flag is a piece of history, it is not a symbol of racism.
It is the symbol of a group of states who tried to leave the United States in order to protect the institution of enslaving black humans.
You obviously have not idea what the civil war was about. Sad, truly sad. Thanks, teachers union. You have produced a generation of idiots.
Louisiana:
"Louisiana looks to the formation of a Southern confederacy to preserve the blessings of African slavery, and of the free institutions of the founders of the Federal Union, bequeathed to their posterity...
The people of Louisiana would consider it a most fatal blow to African slavery, if Texas either did not secede or having seceded should not join her destinies to theirs in a Southern Confederacy. If she remains in the union the abolitionists would continue their work of incendiarism and murder. Emigrant aid societies would arm with Sharp's rifles predatory bands to infest her northern borders. The Federal Government would mock at her calamity in accepting the recent bribes in the army bill and Pacific railroad bill, and with abolition treachery would leave her unprotected frontier to the murderous inroads of hostile savages....
That constitution the Southern States have never violated, and taking it as the basis of our new government we hope to form a slave-holding confederacy that will secure to us and our remotest posterity the great blessings its authors designed in the Federal Union. With the social balance wheel of slavery to regulate its machinery, we may fondly indulge the hope that our Southern government will be perpetual."
Geo. Williamson
Commissioner of the State of Louisiana
City of Austin Feby 11th 1861.
Address of George Williamson to the Texas Secession Convention
Louisiana:
"Louisiana looks to the formation of a Southern confederacy to preserve the blessings of African slavery, and of the free institutions of the founders of the Federal Union, bequeathed to their posterity...
The people of Louisiana would consider it a most fatal blow to African slavery, if Texas either did not secede or having seceded should not join her destinies to theirs in a Southern Confederacy. If she remains in the union the abolitionists would continue their work of incendiarism and murder. Emigrant aid societies would arm with Sharp's rifles predatory bands to infest her northern borders. The Federal Government would mock at her calamity in accepting the recent bribes in the army bill and Pacific railroad bill, and with abolition treachery would leave her unprotected frontier to the murderous inroads of hostile savages....
That constitution the Southern States have never violated, and taking it as the basis of our new government we hope to form a slave-holding confederacy that will secure to us and our remotest posterity the great blessings its authors designed in the Federal Union. With the social balance wheel of slavery to regulate its machinery, we may fondly indulge the hope that our Southern government will be perpetual."
Geo. Williamson
Commissioner of the State of Louisiana
City of Austin Feby 11th 1861.
Address of George Williamson to the Texas Secession Convention
you are attempting to assign the beliefs of people in the 1800's to the people of today. a typical dem/lib tactic. Slavery existed in the northern states at that time as well as in the south. the people of that time did not view slavery as we do today. By today's moral standards they were disgracefully wrong, by the standards of the time, they were acceptable.
Thats why we study history. When we try to change history to reflect today's morals, we do an unjustice to education and we doom ourselves to repeat mistakes.
Slavery had been abolished in most of the Northern states long before the Civil War.Louisiana:
"Louisiana looks to the formation of a Southern confederacy to preserve the blessings of African slavery, and of the free institutions of the founders of the Federal Union, bequeathed to their posterity...
The people of Louisiana would consider it a most fatal blow to African slavery, if Texas either did not secede or having seceded should not join her destinies to theirs in a Southern Confederacy. If she remains in the union the abolitionists would continue their work of incendiarism and murder. Emigrant aid societies would arm with Sharp's rifles predatory bands to infest her northern borders. The Federal Government would mock at her calamity in accepting the recent bribes in the army bill and Pacific railroad bill, and with abolition treachery would leave her unprotected frontier to the murderous inroads of hostile savages....
That constitution the Southern States have never violated, and taking it as the basis of our new government we hope to form a slave-holding confederacy that will secure to us and our remotest posterity the great blessings its authors designed in the Federal Union. With the social balance wheel of slavery to regulate its machinery, we may fondly indulge the hope that our Southern government will be perpetual."
Geo. Williamson
Commissioner of the State of Louisiana
City of Austin Feby 11th 1861.
Address of George Williamson to the Texas Secession Convention
Louisiana:
"Louisiana looks to the formation of a Southern confederacy to preserve the blessings of African slavery, and of the free institutions of the founders of the Federal Union, bequeathed to their posterity...
The people of Louisiana would consider it a most fatal blow to African slavery, if Texas either did not secede or having seceded should not join her destinies to theirs in a Southern Confederacy. If she remains in the union the abolitionists would continue their work of incendiarism and murder. Emigrant aid societies would arm with Sharp's rifles predatory bands to infest her northern borders. The Federal Government would mock at her calamity in accepting the recent bribes in the army bill and Pacific railroad bill, and with abolition treachery would leave her unprotected frontier to the murderous inroads of hostile savages....
That constitution the Southern States have never violated, and taking it as the basis of our new government we hope to form a slave-holding confederacy that will secure to us and our remotest posterity the great blessings its authors designed in the Federal Union. With the social balance wheel of slavery to regulate its machinery, we may fondly indulge the hope that our Southern government will be perpetual."
Geo. Williamson
Commissioner of the State of Louisiana
City of Austin Feby 11th 1861.
Address of George Williamson to the Texas Secession Convention
you are attempting to assign the beliefs of people in the 1800's to the people of today. a typical dem/lib tactic. Slavery existed in the northern states at that time as well as in the south. the people of that time did not view slavery as we do today. By today's moral standards they were disgracefully wrong, by the standards of the time, they were acceptable.
Thats why we study history. When we try to change history to reflect today's morals, we do an unjustice to education and we doom ourselves to repeat mistakes.
out "it's about slavery" dude.^ That's what this thread needs. The full bore racists not afraid to say they fly the flag of the old racist Conservative democrats who were willing to fight to the death to preserve, protect and expand slavery -- to fight -- oppression!
"Brave enough to back up their convictions" (!) in a "country" they formed where nearly half the population was in chains, and bought and sold as farm animals, the remaining half of that was property of their men. But, damn! Those conservatives were ready to die -- to fight oppression!
Yeeehaaaaw!
the confederate flag is a piece of history, it is not a symbol of racism.
It is the symbol of a group of states who tried to leave the United States in order to protect the institution of enslaving black humans.
You obviously have not idea what the civil war was about. Sad, truly sad. Thanks, teachers union. You have produced a generation of idiots.
Preserving, protecting and expanding...slavery.
It was their literally the lifeblood of their economy.
Nearly four million men, women and children in chains out of a total population of nine million in the South. Nearly one in three southern families owned slaves. Everything was built around the institution.
The collective wealth tied up in those slaves was over 3 billion dollars.
That is yes, with a B. Three BILLION. Not in today dollars, adjusted for inflation -- Then dollars. Three BILLION in 1860 dollars.
If you wanted to buy all the railroads, factories and banks in the entire country at that time, it would have only cost you about $2.5 billion.
----> slaves were by far the largest concentration of property in the country. A stunning figure, Think on that.
The South was not about to give that up.
It was. About. Slavery. Preserving, protecting & expanding.
Wrong!! One state The Seceding states told us what the was was about, and they said straight
Stephan Dodson Ramseur, Confederate general: "...Slavery, the very source of our existence, the greatest blessing both for Master & Slave that could have been bestowed upon us."
Albert Gallatin Brown, U.S. Senator from Mississippi, December 27, 1860: "Mr. President, it seems to me that northern Senators most pertinaciously overlook the main point at issue between the two sections of our Confederacy. We claim that there is property in slaves, and they deny it. Until we shall settle, upon some basis, that point of controversy, it is idle to talk of going any further."
Richmond Enquirer, 1856: "Democratic liberty exists solely because we have slaves . . . freedom is not possible without slavery."
Atlanta Confederacy, 1860: "We regard every man in our midst an enemy to the institutions of the South, who does not boldly declare that he believes African slavery to be a social, moral, and political blessing."
G. T. Yelverton, of Coffee County, Alabama, speaking to the Alabama Secession Convention on January 25, 1861: "The question of Slavery is the rock upon which the Old Government split: it is the cause of secession."
John B. Baldwin, Augusta County delegate to the Virginia Secession Convention, March 21, 1861: "I say, then, that viewed from that standpoint, there is but one single subject of complaint which Virginia has to make against the government under which we live; a complaint made by the whole South, and that is on the subject of African slavery...."
All that proves is slavery was part of the reason and openly debated. Why not post the other debates as well, such as tariffs, states rights and other issues that surrounded the reasons for secession.
The South commenced hostilities before that first Republican president ever stepped into office.
out "it's about slavery" dude.^ That's what this thread needs. The full bore racists not afraid to say they fly the flag of the old racist Conservative democrats who were willing to fight to the death to preserve, protect and expand slavery -- to fight -- oppression!
"Brave enough to back up their convictions" (!) in a "country" they formed where nearly half the population was in chains, and bought and sold as farm animals, the remaining half of that was property of their men. But, damn! Those conservatives were ready to die -- to fight oppression!
Yeeehaaaaw!
the confederate flag is a piece of history, it is not a symbol of racism.
It is the symbol of a group of states who tried to leave the United States in order to protect the institution of enslaving black humans.
You obviously have not idea what the civil war was about. Sad, truly sad. Thanks, teachers union. You have produced a generation of idiots.
Preserving, protecting and expanding...slavery.
It was their literally the lifeblood of their economy.
Nearly four million men, women and children in chains out of a total population of nine million in the South. Nearly one in three southern families owned slaves. Everything was built around the institution.
The collective wealth tied up in those slaves was over 3 billion dollars.
That is yes, with a B. Three BILLION. Not in today dollars, adjusted for inflation -- Then dollars. Three BILLION in 1860 dollars.
If you wanted to buy all the railroads, factories and banks in the entire country at that time, it would have only cost you about $2.5 billion.
----> slaves were by far the largest concentration of property in the country. A stunning figure, Think on that.
The South was not about to give that up.
It was. About. Slavery. Preserving, protecting & expanding.
Wrong!! One state The Seceding states told us what the was was about, and they said straight
Stephan Dodson Ramseur, Confederate general: "...Slavery, the very source of our existence, the greatest blessing both for Master & Slave that could have been bestowed upon us."
Albert Gallatin Brown, U.S. Senator from Mississippi, December 27, 1860: "Mr. President, it seems to me that northern Senators most pertinaciously overlook the main point at issue between the two sections of our Confederacy. We claim that there is property in slaves, and they deny it. Until we shall settle, upon some basis, that point of controversy, it is idle to talk of going any further."
Richmond Enquirer, 1856: "Democratic liberty exists solely because we have slaves . . . freedom is not possible without slavery."
Atlanta Confederacy, 1860: "We regard every man in our midst an enemy to the institutions of the South, who does not boldly declare that he believes African slavery to be a social, moral, and political blessing."
G. T. Yelverton, of Coffee County, Alabama, speaking to the Alabama Secession Convention on January 25, 1861: "The question of Slavery is the rock upon which the Old Government split: it is the cause of secession."
John B. Baldwin, Augusta County delegate to the Virginia Secession Convention, March 21, 1861: "I say, then, that viewed from that standpoint, there is but one single subject of complaint which Virginia has to make against the government under which we live; a complaint made by the whole South, and that is on the subject of African slavery...."
All that proves is slavery was part of the reason and openly debated. Why not post the other debates as well, such as tariffs, states rights and other issues that surrounded the reasons for secession.
Neither is "better". Money doesn't make you "better".I'd rather work for and with wealthy people than go through trash with poor people.
What's better? If one man has a million dollars, or if a thousand men each have a thousand dollars?the confederate flag is a piece of history, it is not a symbol of racism.
It is the symbol of a group of states who tried to leave the United States in order to protect the institution of enslaving black humans.
You obviously have not idea what the civil war was about. Sad, truly sad. Thanks, teachers union. You have produced a generation of idiots.
This is what secession was about:
"In the momentous step which our State has taken of dissolving its connection with the government of which we so long formed a part, it is but just that we should declare the prominent reasons which have induced our course.
Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization. That blow has been long aimed at the institution, and was at the point of reaching its consummation. There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union, whose principles had been subverted to work out our ruin."
Those are, verbatim, the opening statements of Mississippi's declarations of the reasons for secession.
Avalon Project - Confederate States of America - Mississippi Secession
Now you can amuse us by trying to deny that the above is not about slavery, or,
you can shut the fuck up and quit making a fool of yourself.
That's twice you idiots used Mississippi as an example. Look at the other seven states that seceded or the other states in the Confederacy and compare their reasons.
I have posted Texas' a few post back.
lol. The best part of this stupid forum stuff is when rightwingers try to deny the indisputable truth.
The South commenced hostilities before that first Republican president ever stepped into office.
Incorrect. No surprise.
The north invaded south carolina on lincoln's orders.
Neither is "better". Money doesn't make you "better".What's better? If one man has a million dollars, or if a thousand men each have a thousand dollars?It is the symbol of a group of states who tried to leave the United States in order to protect the institution of enslaving black humans.
You obviously have not idea what the civil war was about. Sad, truly sad. Thanks, teachers union. You have produced a generation of idiots.
This is what secession was about:
"In the momentous step which our State has taken of dissolving its connection with the government of which we so long formed a part, it is but just that we should declare the prominent reasons which have induced our course.
Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization. That blow has been long aimed at the institution, and was at the point of reaching its consummation. There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union, whose principles had been subverted to work out our ruin."
Those are, verbatim, the opening statements of Mississippi's declarations of the reasons for secession.
Avalon Project - Confederate States of America - Mississippi Secession
Now you can amuse us by trying to deny that the above is not about slavery, or,
you can shut the fuck up and quit making a fool of yourself.
That's twice you idiots used Mississippi as an example. Look at the other seven states that seceded or the other states in the Confederacy and compare their reasons.
I have posted Texas' a few post back.
lol. The best part of this stupid forum stuff is when rightwingers try to deny the indisputable truth.
I'm sorry you lefturds are so fucking stupid.
I'll type slowly and maybe, just maybe you will be able to understand it. Slavery was an issue but only a small one, the broader issue was states right's, tariffs, etc.... Try to look at it logically, if you can. Only about ten percent of the South owned slaves so if slavery was the root cause, 90 percent these people would be fighting not for their interest, but for the interest of the small percentage of slave owners. Do you honestly think these people would sacrifice their lives to fight for someone else's cause?
If so, then you are dumber than dirt.
That's hilarious coming from an idiot that doesn't have a clue as to what they're talking about.
The majority of Texans did not own slaves; those who did owned very few. Within the slaveholding population, the majority owned fewer than five slaves, with a quarter of slave owners owning only one. A fifth of the Lone Star slaveholders owned 96 percent of the claves. Only sixty Texans owned a hundred or more....
The lie that only very few southerners owned slaves is a particularly rampant one in the Lost Cause meme.
Heard time and time again is the apology to somehow cast the southerners who went to war as fighting only for a noble cause, and not to protect slavery.
But when you consider more than one on four rebels who took up arms against the North came from slaveholding families (and one in two in a few other states) it presents a different picture.
One could say, yes, well, those were families - just because pop owned the slave, doesn't mean the boys did too.
However, that slave labor on their property, in some form or another, helped provide them food, shelter and money, and also helped formulate their future wealth they could, and most often did, inherit.
Slave labor provided so much of just about everything when it came to the commerce of the South.
The vast majority of slaveholding families (just shy of 90%) had under 20 slaves, 50% under 5. Now consider the sheer volume of slaves: Just shy of 4 million. Out of a total 9 million populace.
Slavery was everywhere, and touched their lives in every way -- they were full up to the brim in it, immersed in it, and that is why the "most southerners didn't own slaves" -- while true in raw numbers -- belies the notion in actuality those boys were fighting to preserve what they knew was literally their lifeblood.
The plea from South Carolina to the other southern states:
"We prefer, however, our system of industry, by which labor and capital are identified in interest, and capital, therefore, protects labor; by which our population doubles every twenty years; by which starvation is unknown, and abundance crowns the land; by which order is preserved by unpaid police, and the most fertile regions of the world where the Caucasian cannot labor are brought into usefulness by the labor of the African, and the whole world is blessed by our own productions....
We ask you to join us in forming a confederacy of Slaveholding States."Address of South Carolina to Slaveholding States by Convention of South Carolina
We also know abject fear was the reason the poor whites fought in the war. You have to remember that during this time Haiti had established itself as a legit Black run country and slaughtered a bunch of white people in order to do it. Nat Turner had went on a rampage and the John Browns raid on Harpers Ferry was fresh in southerners minds. You are right. It was not 100% about slavery it was also about mind numbing fear. The same thing that drives todays republicans.out "it's about slavery" dude.^ That's what this thread needs. The full bore racists not afraid to say they fly the flag of the old racist Conservative democrats who were willing to fight to the death to preserve, protect and expand slavery -- to fight -- oppression!
"Brave enough to back up their convictions" (!) in a "country" they formed where nearly half the population was in chains, and bought and sold as farm animals, the remaining half of that was property of their men. But, damn! Those conservatives were ready to die -- to fight oppression!
Yeeehaaaaw!
the confederate flag is a piece of history, it is not a symbol of racism.
It is the symbol of a group of states who tried to leave the United States in order to protect the institution of enslaving black humans.
You obviously have not idea what the civil war was about. Sad, truly sad. Thanks, teachers union. You have produced a generation of idiots.
Preserving, protecting and expanding...slavery.
It was their literally the lifeblood of their economy.
Nearly four million men, women and children in chains out of a total population of nine million in the South. Nearly one in three southern families owned slaves. Everything was built around the institution.
The collective wealth tied up in those slaves was over 3 billion dollars.
That is yes, with a B. Three BILLION. Not in today dollars, adjusted for inflation -- Then dollars. Three BILLION in 1860 dollars.
If you wanted to buy all the railroads, factories and banks in the entire country at that time, it would have only cost you about $2.5 billion.
----> slaves were by far the largest concentration of property in the country. A stunning figure, Think on that.
The South was not about to give that up.
It was. About. Slavery. Preserving, protecting & expanding.
Wrong!! One state The Seceding states told us what the was was about, and they said straight
Stephan Dodson Ramseur, Confederate general: "...Slavery, the very source of our existence, the greatest blessing both for Master & Slave that could have been bestowed upon us."
Albert Gallatin Brown, U.S. Senator from Mississippi, December 27, 1860: "Mr. President, it seems to me that northern Senators most pertinaciously overlook the main point at issue between the two sections of our Confederacy. We claim that there is property in slaves, and they deny it. Until we shall settle, upon some basis, that point of controversy, it is idle to talk of going any further."
Richmond Enquirer, 1856: "Democratic liberty exists solely because we have slaves . . . freedom is not possible without slavery."
Atlanta Confederacy, 1860: "We regard every man in our midst an enemy to the institutions of the South, who does not boldly declare that he believes African slavery to be a social, moral, and political blessing."
G. T. Yelverton, of Coffee County, Alabama, speaking to the Alabama Secession Convention on January 25, 1861: "The question of Slavery is the rock upon which the Old Government split: it is the cause of secession."
John B. Baldwin, Augusta County delegate to the Virginia Secession Convention, March 21, 1861: "I say, then, that viewed from that standpoint, there is but one single subject of complaint which Virginia has to make against the government under which we live; a complaint made by the whole South, and that is on the subject of African slavery...."
All that proves is slavery was part of the reason and openly debated. Why not post the other debates as well, such as tariffs, states rights and other issues that surrounded the reasons for secession.
That's hilarious coming from an idiot that doesn't have a clue as to what they're talking about.
The majority of Texans did not own slaves; those who did owned very few. Within the slaveholding population, the majority owned fewer than five slaves, with a quarter of slave owners owning only one. A fifth of the Lone Star slaveholders owned 96 percent of the claves. Only sixty Texans owned a hundred or more....
The lie that only very few southerners owned slaves is a particularly rampant one in the Lost Cause meme.
Heard time and time again is the apology to somehow cast the southerners who went to war as fighting only for a noble cause, and not to protect slavery.
But when you consider more than one on four rebels who took up arms against the North came from slaveholding families (and one in two in a few other states) it presents a different picture.
One could say, yes, well, those were families - just because pop owned the slave, doesn't mean the boys did too.
However, that slave labor on their property, in some form or another, helped provide them food, shelter and money, and also helped formulate their future wealth they could, and most often did, inherit.
Slave labor provided so much of just about everything when it came to the commerce of the South.
The vast majority of slaveholding families (just shy of 90%) had under 20 slaves, 50% under 5. Now consider the sheer volume of slaves: Just shy of 4 million. Out of a total 9 million populace.
Slavery was everywhere, and touched their lives in every way -- they were full up to the brim in it, immersed in it, and that is why the "most southerners didn't own slaves" -- while true in raw numbers -- belies the notion in actuality those boys were fighting to preserve what they knew was literally their lifeblood.
You and Assclaps are two of a kind. Ignore the facts when it doesn't fit your narrative. Call everything a lie you don't agree with.
You never did tell me where you got the NINE MILLION blacks figure from.
After I showed that there were only 4.5 million blacks in the US according to the 1860 census, you clammed up about it.
When Lonestar gets shown he is wrong he is not man enough to simply admit it. He has to back pedal until he can find a spot and point to a technicality then claim he was right all along. Typical convict.out "it's about slavery" dude.the confederate flag is a piece of history, it is not a symbol of racism.
It is the symbol of a group of states who tried to leave the United States in order to protect the institution of enslaving black humans.
You obviously have not idea what the civil war was about. Sad, truly sad. Thanks, teachers union. You have produced a generation of idiots.
Preserving, protecting and expanding...slavery.
It was their literally the lifeblood of their economy.
Nearly four million men, women and children in chains out of a total population of nine million in the South. Nearly one in three southern families owned slaves. Everything was built around the institution.
The collective wealth tied up in those slaves was over 3 billion dollars.
That is yes, with a B. Three BILLION. Not in today dollars, adjusted for inflation -- Then dollars. Three BILLION in 1860 dollars.
If you wanted to buy all the railroads, factories and banks in the entire country at that time, it would have only cost you about $2.5 billion.
----> slaves were by far the largest concentration of property in the country. A stunning figure, Think on that.
The South was not about to give that up.
It was. About. Slavery. Preserving, protecting & expanding.
Wrong!! One state The Seceding states told us what the was was about, and they said straight
Stephan Dodson Ramseur, Confederate general: "...Slavery, the very source of our existence, the greatest blessing both for Master & Slave that could have been bestowed upon us."
Albert Gallatin Brown, U.S. Senator from Mississippi, December 27, 1860: "Mr. President, it seems to me that northern Senators most pertinaciously overlook the main point at issue between the two sections of our Confederacy. We claim that there is property in slaves, and they deny it. Until we shall settle, upon some basis, that point of controversy, it is idle to talk of going any further."
Richmond Enquirer, 1856: "Democratic liberty exists solely because we have slaves . . . freedom is not possible without slavery."
Atlanta Confederacy, 1860: "We regard every man in our midst an enemy to the institutions of the South, who does not boldly declare that he believes African slavery to be a social, moral, and political blessing."
G. T. Yelverton, of Coffee County, Alabama, speaking to the Alabama Secession Convention on January 25, 1861: "The question of Slavery is the rock upon which the Old Government split: it is the cause of secession."
John B. Baldwin, Augusta County delegate to the Virginia Secession Convention, March 21, 1861: "I say, then, that viewed from that standpoint, there is but one single subject of complaint which Virginia has to make against the government under which we live; a complaint made by the whole South, and that is on the subject of African slavery...."
All that proves is slavery was part of the reason and openly debated. Why not post the other debates as well, such as tariffs, states rights and other issues that surrounded the reasons for secession.
Because we are refuting the claims that it was NOT about slavery.
You and these other people's problem is, you've never argued that it was not 100% about slavery; you're claiming it was ZERO percent about slavery.
Which makes you 100% wrong.
You are a fucking moron. Go read a history book. Lincoln was not involved retard.The South commenced hostilities before that first Republican president ever stepped into office.
Incorrect. No surprise.
The north invaded south carolina on lincoln's orders.
