Will Lebanon Disappear in 2014

[georgephillip]

Arabs began the fight over hundred years ago. Jews were encouraged to invest in and develop their historic homeland.
Jews responded to the arab siege of Jerusalem and the attack on a medical convoy by arabs. Ottoman and later Feisal welcomed the jews. The first mufti's son, later appointed grand mufti, incited the violence by arabs hoping to profit from some windfall after jews were 'force out'.
Jews in most of the area managed to live side by side with arabs. The riots against the jews brought arms and organization of groups like haganah into being.

Sadly as the older generations pass on, people will forget how this whole mess began. They will know only the propaganda and not the years and decades that lead up to partition and independence. The violence by arabs even the mandate could not control.

A European Mandate issued to ensure violence between Jew and Arab in Palestine by filling Palestine with tens of thousands of European Jews at the expense of Arabs who had lived on the land for generations.

Why are Jews alone, among all nations of the world, entitled to land their ancestors conquered thousands of years ago?

Do explain why the British under the mandate brought a halt to Jewish immigration to Palestine, and actually sent many thousands to their deaths as a result, But at the same time allowed uncontrolled immigration by muslims into Palestine. This is a matter of historical fact, so it seems that you are believing the propaganda put out by the muslims. Why are the muslims alone out of all religions allowed to claim land in Israel even when they have never set foot there.

For the record the land the Jews live on was given to them by its rightful owners under the terms of the Mandate to Palestine, just as land was given to muslims under the mandate to Palestine. And any Jew that lived on that land was forcibly evicted, beaten and left destitute.

Any comments on the truth ?

What "truth?"

 

[Phoenall]

Perhaps you should look up the real meaning of "indigenous people".

Jewish people of Israel today, with some minor exceptions, are no more of an indigenous people to Israel than Catholics are an indigenous peopleto Italy or Mormons are indigenous people to Utah.

Why would it make me happy? Why would an avaricious lie made up to ethnically cleanse the truly indigenous people make me happy?

The simple fact of the matter is that, in the past, Israelis discover new "indigenous Jews" in the oddest of places to maintain their hegemony, hence Operation Solomon and the influx of anti-Semitic Russians. That well seems to have run dry with the late Ariel Sharon's solicitations of "Leave france, come to Israel" by French Jews so the Zionists have now resorted to the ethnic cleansing of the people who have lived there for centuries.

The enduring names of Israel - Judea and Samaria - should tell you something about who is indigenous and it isn't the Muslim colonizers from Arabia. The "facts" you absorb from Electronic Intifada may not be facts at all. In addition to the 79% of Israel's Jews are 21% mostly Arab non-Jewish CITIZENS. There are far more Arab CITIZENS of Israel than there are Jewish citizens in all the Arab World combined.

Demographics of Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The most prominent ethnic and religious groups, who live in Israel at present and who are Israeli citizens or nationals, are as follows:

According to Israel's Central Bureau of Statistics, in 2008, of Israel's 7.3 million people, 75.6 percent were Jews of any background.[2] Among them, 70.3 percent were Sabras (Israeli-born), mostly second- or third-generation Israelis, and the rest are olim (Jewish immigrants to Israel)—20.5 percent from Europe and the Americas, and 9.2 percent from Asia and Africa, including the Arab countries.[16]

Ethnic Makeup of Jewish Population of Israel[16]

TOTAL 5,818,000 100%

Mizrahi Jews and Sephardic Jews 2,721,000 50.2%
Morocco 800,000 15.2%
Iraq 204,000 7.7%
Yemen 295,000 4.9%
Iran 236,000 4.0%
Algeria/Tunisia 224,000 3.8%
Other Asia 150,000 2.5%
Turkey 147,000 2.5%
Libya 136,000 2.3%
Egypt 112,000 1.9%
Other Asia 200,000 1.7%
India/Pakistan 76,000 1.3%
South America 25,000 0.04%
Other Africa (Not South Africa) 3,000 0.05%
Beta Israel (Ethiopia) 130,000 2.2%

Ashkenazi Jews 2,767,000 47.5%

You really do have to look up the meaning of "indigenous".

Perhaps I can make it simple for you.

I am an Irish Catholic. Were I to jump through the necessary hoops, I could convert to Judaism and I would be an Irish Jew. I would not be indigenous to Israel.

I cannot convert to being an Arab or a Palestinian.

An indigenous religion does not make for an indigenous people.

Even the Israeli government and nthe Rabbinate cannot decide who is a Jew or not. One thing for sure though, if a Jew converts to another religion, he or sure is no longer a Jew.

A Palestinian cannot convert to being an Eskimo.

You can make up all the simplistic and absurd rules that you want but over 70% of Israeli Jews are third generation or later. They are colonizers or the children of colonizers and they are displacing people whose families have lived in the region for centuries or even millenia. You can call them Martians for all I care but it won't change the fact that they, the Palestinians, are the indigenous people of that portion o the Mideast currently known as Israel.

You have failed to produce any definitive un biased evidence of the filastins having lived in the area for millennia, in fact you cant even show if they lived there 150 years ago.

You say you are an Irish Catholic, yet you could be a descendant of a Scots Catholic or an English Catholic as both migrated to Ireland to colonise the almost empty Island.

The Jews can trace their ancestry back to the biblical times and it is unbroken. The filastins can only trace their back 150 years if they are lucky, many can only go back to the 1960's when they migrated to join in the fight against the Jews. How many Syrians were Iraqi's a few short years ago, how many Iraqis were Iranians prior to 1990.

 

[Phoenall]

Perhaps you should look up the real meaning of "indigenous people".

Jewish people of Israel today, with some minor exceptions, are no more of an indigenous people to Israel than Catholics are an indigenous peopleto Italy or Mormons are indigenous people to Utah.

Why would it make me happy? Why would an avaricious lie made up to ethnically cleanse the truly indigenous people make me happy?

The simple fact of the matter is that, in the past, Israelis discover new "indigenous Jews" in the oddest of places to maintain their hegemony, hence Operation Solomon and the influx of anti-Semitic Russians. That well seems to have run dry with the late Ariel Sharon's solicitations of "Leave france, come to Israel" by French Jews so the Zionists have now resorted to the ethnic cleansing of the people who have lived there for centuries.

I realize the Irish hate Churchill so they will never believe that he said that the Arabs were flooding into Israel from their poor countries for jobs. Surely you have immigrants in your own town who came for jobs that their own country couldn't provide for them. However, I can remember someone posting about different travelers observations on their trips through the Holy Land (and it wasn't just Mark Twain) and they said they didn't see many Arabs except the Bedouins until they came to the big cities and saw the Jews. Of course, you are free to believe that there were all these "indigenous" Arabs living there just as others will believe that they weren't there originally, the same way the millions of immigrants to the U.S. weren't here originally.

I think I will believe the census records of the time, to include those kept by the the Ottoman Turks and the British, rather than the words of a fiction writer and a dishonest and manipulative politician.

Do so but don't forget to go back until you find that the filastins were not in existence, should take you to about 1840 or so.

 

[Shaarona]

The enduring names of Israel - Judea and Samaria - should tell you something about who is indigenous and it isn't the Muslim colonizers from Arabia. The "facts" you absorb from Electronic Intifada may not be facts at all. In addition to the 79% of Israel's Jews are 21% mostly Arab non-Jewish CITIZENS. There are far more Arab CITIZENS of Israel than there are Jewish citizens in all the Arab World combined.

Demographics of Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The most prominent ethnic and religious groups, who live in Israel at present and who are Israeli citizens or nationals, are as follows:

According to Israel's Central Bureau of Statistics, in 2008, of Israel's 7.3 million people, 75.6 percent were Jews of any background.[2] Among them, 70.3 percent were Sabras (Israeli-born), mostly second- or third-generation Israelis, and the rest are olim (Jewish immigrants to Israel)—20.5 percent from Europe and the Americas, and 9.2 percent from Asia and Africa, including the Arab countries.[16]

Ethnic Makeup of Jewish Population of Israel[16]

TOTAL 5,818,000 100%

Mizrahi Jews and Sephardic Jews 2,721,000 50.2%
Morocco 800,000 15.2%
Iraq 204,000 7.7%
Yemen 295,000 4.9%
Iran 236,000 4.0%
Algeria/Tunisia 224,000 3.8%
Other Asia 150,000 2.5%
Turkey 147,000 2.5%
Libya 136,000 2.3%
Egypt 112,000 1.9%
Other Asia 200,000 1.7%
India/Pakistan 76,000 1.3%
South America 25,000 0.04%
Other Africa (Not South Africa) 3,000 0.05%
Beta Israel (Ethiopia) 130,000 2.2%

Ashkenazi Jews 2,767,000 47.5%

You really do have to look up the meaning of "indigenous".

Perhaps I can make it simple for you.

I am an Irish Catholic. Were I to jump through the necessary hoops, I could convert to Judaism and I would be an Irish Jew. I would not be indigenous to Israel.

I cannot convert to being an Arab or a Palestinian.

An indigenous religion does not make for an indigenous people.

Even the Israeli government and nthe Rabbinate cannot decide who is a Jew or not. One thing for sure though, if a Jew converts to another religion, he or sure is no longer a Jew.

A Palestinian cannot convert to being an Eskimo.

You can make up all the simplistic and absurd rules that you want but over 70% of Israeli Jews are third generation or later. They are colonizers or the children of colonizers and they are displacing people whose families have lived in the region for centuries or even millenia. You can call them Martians for all I care but it won't change the fact that they, the Palestinians, are the indigenous people of that portion o the Mideast currently known as Israel.

You have failed to produce any definitive un biased evidence of the filastins having lived in the area for millennia, in fact you cant even show if they lived there 150 years ago.

You say you are an Irish Catholic, yet you could be a descendant of a Scots Catholic or an English Catholic as both migrated to Ireland to colonise the almost empty Island.

The Jews can trace their ancestry back to the biblical times and it is unbroken. The filastins can only trace their back 150 years if they are lucky, many can only go back to the 1960's when they migrated to join in the fight against the Jews. How many Syrians were Iraqi's a few short years ago, how many Iraqis were Iranians prior to 1990.

The old testament talks about the Arabs in Palestine.

Moses and Abraham had Arab wives.

Sargon 2 settled 4 Arab tribes in Samaria about 700 BC...

And there are Arabs in Jerusalem when the exiles returned from Babylon.

 

[Phoenall]

What if the old baby killer had murdered your family?
Would you have called Mossad?

"'It’s a shame that Sharon has gone to his grave without facing justice for his role in Sabra and Shatilla and other abuses,' said Sarah Leah Whitson, Middle East and North Africa director at Human Rights Watch. 'His passing is another grim reminder that years of virtual impunity for rights abuses have done nothing to bring Israeli-Palestinian peace any closer.'”

Israel: Ariel Sharon?s Troubling Legacy | Human Rights Watch

HRW is another one of those Islamic terrorist enablers and apologists.

"Hamas should end its attacks on political opponents and suspected collaborators in Gaza, which have killed at least 32 Palestinians and maimed several dozen more during and since the recent Israeli military offensive, Human Rights Watch said in a report released today."

When's the last time you criticized Israel?

Gaza: Hamas Should End Killings, Torture | Human Rights Watch

Very much watered down considering that in one week the number of serious injuries went up by 250%, and this was during a period of calm when no reprisals by Israel were known

 

[georgephillip]

A European Mandate issued to ensure violence between Jew and Arab in Palestine by filling Palestine with tens of thousands of European Jews at the expense of Arabs who had lived on the land for generations.

Why are Jews alone, among all nations of the world, entitled to land their ancestors conquered thousands of years ago?

Why are Arab squatters and beggars entitled to the land their ancestors conquered in the more recent history?

And then lost very shortly afterwards to the Ottomans who held it for over 1200 years.

"In recent history the area called Palestine includes the territories of present day Israel and Jordan (see map above. For earlier history of the term see article). From 1517 to 1917 most of this area remained under the rule of the Ottoman Empire."

History of Palestine and Palestinians

 

[Phoenall]

Israel started this fight in 1948 when 650,000 mostly recent immigrants from Europe inflicted an ethnocracy on twice as many non-Jews in Palestine. Israel deliberately targeted civilians and infrastructure in 2006 fully expecting to reach the Litani River before "agreeing" to a ceasefire. Hezbollah stopped the IDF in its treads, and Jews left Lebanon with their tails between their legs.

Still re-writing history to suit your JEW HATRED. The fight between Jews and muslims started when Mohamed the mantally retarded child abusing murderer decided to wipe out the tribe of Jews living in Medina because they refused to worship him as god.

The Jews of Medina broke the treaty .. and there were other problems. They were selling idols to the pilgrims so when Muhammed destroyed all the idols at the Kaaba, he cut into their revenue stream.

The Jews of medina refused to convert to the worship of Mohamed so he had them wiped out. Did he not ask them 3 times to worship him before giving the orders. Then he raped a 12 year old girl in the blood of her father. He issued a command to his men to check all the girls for signs of pubic hair, and those that had none he took as his sex slaves. The rest were used by his men as fortunes of war. A very graphic depiction in the Hadiths of what really happened in medina.

 

[Phoenall]

Now, tell us where Palestinians come from?

"The Palestinian people (Arabic: الشعب الفلسطيني*, ash-sha‘b al-Filasṭīn&#299, also referred to as Palestinians (Arabic: الفلسطينيون*, al-Filasṭīniyyūn, Hebrew: הפלסטינים*), are the modern descendants of the peoples who have lived in Palestine over the centuries, and who today are largely culturally and linguistically Arab due to Arabization of the region."

Palestinian people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hmmm, Arabization is an interesting word for colonization.

"Genetic analysis suggests that a majority of the Muslims of Palestine, inclusive of Arab citizens of Israel, are descendants of Christians, Jews and other earlier inhabitants of the southern Levant whose core may reach back to prehistoric times.

"A study of high-resolution haplotypes demonstrated that a substantial portion of Y chromosomes of Israeli Jews (70%) and of Palestinian Muslim Arabs (82%) belonged to the same chromosome pool."

Palestinian people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Where did Zionists come from?

"Theodor Herzl (Hebrew: תִאוַדָר הֶרְצֵל, Ti'vadar Hertzel; Hungarian: Herzl Tivadar; May 2, 1860 – July 3, 1904), born Benjamin Ze’ev Herzl (Hebrew: בִּנְיָמִין זְאֵב הֶרְצֵל, also known in Hebrew as חוֹזֵה הַמְדִינָה, Khozeh HaMedinah, lit. 'Visionary of the State') was a Jewish journalist and writer from Austria-Hungary.

"He is considered to have been the father of modern political Zionism and in effect the founder of the State of Israel.

"Herzl formed the World Zionist Organization and promoted Jewish migration to Palestine in an effort to form a Jewish state."

Theodor Herzl - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Have a look on the maps and see just were southern Levant is, a clue the new terrorist group is using the name in its title and they are not in Israel.

 

[georgephillip]

HRW is another one of those Islamic terrorist enablers and apologists.

"Hamas should end its attacks on political opponents and suspected collaborators in Gaza, which have killed at least 32 Palestinians and maimed several dozen more during and since the recent Israeli military offensive, Human Rights Watch said in a report released today."

When's the last time you criticized Israel?

Gaza: Hamas Should End Killings, Torture | Human Rights Watch

Very much watered down considering that in one week the number of serious injuries went up by 250%, and this was during a period of calm when no reprisals by Israel were known

Do you have a link for those claims, or did you hear them aboard one of your Iranian aircraft carriers?

 

[Phoenall]

A European Mandate issued to ensure violence between Jew and Arab in Palestine by filling Palestine with tens of thousands of European Jews at the expense of Arabs who had lived on the land for generations.

Why are Jews alone, among all nations of the world, entitled to land their ancestors conquered thousands of years ago?

Do explain why the British under the mandate brought a halt to Jewish immigration to Palestine, and actually sent many thousands to their deaths as a result, But at the same time allowed uncontrolled immigration by muslims into Palestine. This is a matter of historical fact, so it seems that you are believing the propaganda put out by the muslims. Why are the muslims alone out of all religions allowed to claim land in Israel even when they have never set foot there.

For the record the land the Jews live on was given to them by its rightful owners under the terms of the Mandate to Palestine, just as land was given to muslims under the mandate to Palestine. And any Jew that lived on that land was forcibly evicted, beaten and left destitute.

Any comments on the truth ?

The Mandate didn't own any land... The Arabs had simply always lived there.

It was pretty rotten for the US , Canada and UK to turn away so many Jewish refugees.

There might not have been the SS Patria bombing.

According to International Law the land was owned by Britain as seized war booty, prior to this it was owned by the Ottomans and was not owned by arabs since 1009 CE. According to arab historians the land had always been inhabited by the Jews and the arabs had no interest in it until the latter part of the 19c.

 

[Kondor3]

"...A European Mandate issued to ensure violence between Jew and Arab in Palestine by filling Palestine with tens of thousands of European Jews at the expense of Arabs who had lived on the land for generations..."

Just kicking out the Arabs who had, earlier, kicked-out others. Karma's a bitch, and it's the Arabs turn in the barrel.

"...Why are Jews alone, among all nations of the world, entitled to land their ancestors conquered thousands of years ago?"

Because... 1. we like Jews better than Muslims? 2. the Jews held themselves together for 2000 years in anticipation of retaking it? 3. the Jews are more industrious and can do much more with the land? 4. the Jews are tougher and smarter and better warriors than the surrounding Muslims? 5. Judaism is the Spiritual Mothership of Christianity; Islam is a late-arriving, untrustworthy knock-off; so we side with the Jews? 6. we like Jews better than Muslims? ...to name a few reasons.

Now, tell us where Palestinians come from? "The Palestinian people (Arabic: الشعب الفلسطيني*, ash-sha‘b al-Filasṭīn&#299, also referred to as Palestinians (Arabic: الفلسطينيون*, al-Filasṭīniyyūn, Hebrew: הפלסטינים*), are the modern descendants of the peoples who have lived in Palestine over the centuries, and who today are largely culturally and linguistically Arab due to Arabization of the region." Palestinian people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Genetically, the Palestinians are mongrels, admixture to an extent not experienced by many other peoples of the world; with the blood of many peoples running in their veins; Arabs, Egyptians, Assyrians, Jews, Philistines, Gazans, Samaritans, Persians, Greeks, Romans, Byzantines, Ethiopians, Crusaders, Turks, Babylonians, Hittites and the rest.

That region is the land-bridge between Asia and Africa, and, as such, is heavily trafficked and rather like having your living room in the middle of a six-lane superhighway; always changing hands and never safe for long. It has probably seen more invaders and owners and conquest and defeat than any other strip of land its size on the face of the planet. Add to that, the idea that it is the wellspring of three of the world's greatest surviving religious belief-systems and you have a recipe for perpetual claims and counter-claims and disputation and conflict - in short, disaster for its inhabitants. It has always been so, and, except for the names of the players, it is the same today.

The so-called 'Palestinians' (that fragment with substantial pre-Muslim invasion genetic markers) are, in part, descended from Jews who were usually forced to convert at the point of a Muslim sword, or who were forced to convert within few generations of the Muslim conquest, in order to avoid the ruinous taxes and second-class citizenship to which their Dhimmi status condemned them. Religious conversion through coercion.

But only descended 'in part' - most of their genetic makeup has nothing to do with their remote Jewish ancestors, but stems from entirely non-Jewish genetic contributions.

We're all cousins under-the-skin, metaphorically and literally speaking, if one goes back far enough on the timeline, but we're dealing in practicalities here; not fanciful claims to kinship based upon minute traces of 'Jewish' genetics nor fanciful claims of long-standing ownership based upon modest traces of Gazan or Philistine or Samaritan bloodlines.

And the overriding 'practicality' here is the stronger kinship between the so-called Palestinians and their Jordanian and Egyptian and Lebanese neighbors and ethnic brethren, and their religious affiliation.

Despite all the philosophical differences and ritual and tension and spilled blood that separates Judaism and Christianity, The West (a.k.a. secularized Christendom) still sees a closer kinship between itself and Judaism (a Spiritual Mothership status) than it does between itself and Islam, which has been its bitter enemy for the better part of 1300-1400 years. Bottom line: Christians (and, therefore, The West) tend to like Jews better than Muslims. Always have. Always will.

 

[Shaarona]

Hmmm, Arabization is an interesting word for colonization.

"Genetic analysis suggests that a majority of the Muslims of Palestine, inclusive of Arab citizens of Israel, are descendants of Christians, Jews and other earlier inhabitants of the southern Levant whose core may reach back to prehistoric times.

"A study of high-resolution haplotypes demonstrated that a substantial portion of Y chromosomes of Israeli Jews (70%) and of Palestinian Muslim Arabs (82%) belonged to the same chromosome pool."

Palestinian people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Where did Zionists come from?



"Theodor Herzl (Hebrew: תִאוַדָר הֶרְצֵל, Ti'vadar Hertzel; Hungarian: Herzl Tivadar; May 2, 1860 – July 3, 1904), born Benjamin Ze’ev Herzl (Hebrew: בִּנְיָמִין זְאֵב הֶרְצֵל, also known in Hebrew as חוֹזֵה הַמְדִינָה, Khozeh HaMedinah, lit. 'Visionary of the State') was a Jewish journalist and writer from Austria-Hungary.

"He is considered to have been the father of modern political Zionism and in effect the founder of the State of Israel.

"Herzl formed the World Zionist Organization and promoted Jewish migration to Palestine in an effort to form a Jewish state."

Theodor Herzl - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Have a look on the maps and see just were southern Levant is, a clue the new terrorist group is using the name in its title and they are not in Israel.

The Levant is the geographical region bordering the Mediterranean, roughly between Egypt and Anatolia (modern Turkey). The Southern Levant is roughly encompassed by Israel, the Palestinian territories, Jordan and the southern part of Lebanon.

 

[Phoenall]

Why are Arab squatters and beggars entitled to the land their ancestors conquered in the more recent history?

And then lost very shortly afterwards to the Ottomans who held it for over 1200 years.

The Ottoman Empire lasted 624 years.

Lets split the difference shall we and call it 910 years, from 1009 when the Ottomand took the land of the arabs till 1919 when the League of Nations took the land of the Ottomans. So the arabs only held the land for 22 years in all of muslim history

 

[Shaarona]

Just kicking out the Arabs who had, earlier, kicked-out others. Karma's a bitch, and it's the Arabs turn in the barrel.


Because... 1. we like Jews better than Muslims? 2. the Jews held themselves together for 2000 years in anticipation of retaking it? 3. the Jews are more industrious and can do much more with the land? 4. the Jews are tougher and smarter and better warriors than the surrounding Muslims? 5. Judaism is the Spiritual Mothership of Christianity; Islam is a late-arriving, untrustworthy knock-off; so we side with the Jews? 6. we like Jews better than Muslims? ...to name a few reasons.

Now, tell us where Palestinians come from? "The Palestinian people (Arabic: الشعب الفلسطيني*, ash-sha‘b al-Filasṭīn&#299, also referred to as Palestinians (Arabic: الفلسطينيون*, al-Filasṭīniyyūn, Hebrew: הפלסטינים*), are the modern descendants of the peoples who have lived in Palestine over the centuries, and who today are largely culturally and linguistically Arab due to Arabization of the region." Palestinian people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Genetically, the Palestinians are mongrels, admixture to an extent not experienced by many other peoples of the world; with the blood of many peoples running in their veins; Arabs, Egyptians, Assyrians, Jews, Philistines, Gazans, Samaritans, Persians, Greeks, Romans, Byzantines, Ethiopians, Crusaders, Turks, Babylonians, Hittites and the rest.

That region is the land-bridge between Asia and Africa, and, as such, is heavily trafficked and rather like having your living room in the middle of a six-lane superhighway; always changing hands and never safe for long. It has probably seen more invaders and owners and conquest and defeat than any other strip of land its size on the face of the planet. Add to that, the idea that it is the wellspring of three of the world's greatest surviving religious belief-systems and you have a recipe for perpetual claims and counter-claims and disputation and conflict - in short, disaster for its inhabitants. It has always been so, and, except for the names of the players, it is the same today.

The so-called 'Palestinians' (that fragment with substantial pre-Muslim invasion genetic markers) are, in part, descended from Jews who were usually forced to convert at the point of a Muslim sword, or who were forced to convert within few generations of the Muslim conquest, in order to avoid the ruinous taxes and second-class citizenship to which their Dhimmi status condemned them. Religious conversion through coercion.

But only descended 'in part' - most of their genetic makeup has nothing to do with their remote Jewish ancestors, but stems from entirely non-Jewish genetic contributions.

We're all cousins under-the-skin, metaphorically and literally speaking, if one goes back far enough on the timeline, but we're dealing in practicalities here; not fanciful claims to kinship based upon minute traces of 'Jewish' genetics nor fanciful claims of long-standing ownership based upon modest traces of Gazan or Philistine or Samaritan bloodlines.

And the overriding 'practicality' here is the stronger kinship between the so-called Palestinians and their Jordanian and Egyptian and Lebanese neighbors and ethnic brethren, and their religious affiliation.

Despite all the philosophy and ritual and tension and spilled blood that separates Judaism and Christianity, The West (a.k.a. secularized Christendom) still sees a closer kinship between itself and Judaism than it does itself and Islam, which has been its bitter enemy for the better part of 1300-1400 years.

Bottom line: Christians tend to like Jews better than Muslims. Always have. Always will.

I think that depends on who you are around.. Thousands of Americans have been around Arabs in the ME for 70 years.. and they like Arabs fine.

 

[Phoenall]

I was going to ask that as well, but I considered the source of the statement, as well as the absurdity in asking it. How exactly ridiculous would it be if everyone arbitrarily picked a point in time where their people used to stomp and decided they had some claaim to the land.

Abraham came from what is now Iraq.

And at about the same time that Europeans were arriving in America muslims were arriving in Palestine to oust the Jews and take over

You think European were settling in the New World in the 7th century?????

The migration into Palestine did not start until the 18C, and did not really pick up until the 1850's. You know very little about Islamic history for a muslim.

 

[Phoenall]

Palestinians are modern descendants of people who've lived between the River and the sea for centuries, while many recent "Jews" have arrived since the end of the Cold War.

Not according to accepted history

The DNA indicates that they are descended from the people who lived in Palestine for over 2,000 years.

Arab migrations out of the Arabian peninsula to the north (Levant, Mesopotamia, Palestine and Syria) began between 10,000 and 6,000 years ago.

Jews and Arabs are sons of Abraham.

But they came as itinerant landless nomads who turned into the Bedouins, they never settled the land. According to the Koran the muslims are the sons of the illegitimate child of Abraham, a psychopathic killer who was cast out for his excesses.

 

[georgephillip]

Except of course for those 1,200 dead Lebanese. But of course, what's a few dead people if it placates your insensate Jew hatreds.

"The Lebanese civilian death toll is difficult to pinpoint as most published figures, including those released by the Lebanese government, do not distinguish between civilians and Hezbollah combatants.[21]

"In addition, Hezbollah fighters can be difficult to identify as many do not wear military uniforms.[21]

"However, it has been widely reported that the majority of the Lebanese killed were civilians, and UNICEF estimated that 30% of Lebanese killed were children under the age of 13."

2006 Lebanon War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I see that you forget to mention that the reason behind the high mortality rate was due to the hezbolla tactics of forcing the Christian population of Lebanon to act as human shields. This is a trait of all Islamic groups to protect the fighters from harm, and to use as propaganda in the ensuing autopsy of the fighting

I see you forgot to provide a link again for one of your imbecilic claims.
(How many Persians fit on an aircraft carrier?)

 

[Phoenall]

The Ottoman Empire lasted 624 years.

And it collapsed from the inside. It failed long before 1924.

I am aware of that.. I was correcting Phoenal who claimed the Ottoman Empire lasted 1200 years.

I got my sums wrong as it lasted 910 years from 1009 till 1919

 

[Phoenall]

A European Mandate issued to ensure violence between Jew and Arab in Palestine by filling Palestine with tens of thousands of European Jews at the expense of Arabs who had lived on the land for generations.

Why are Jews alone, among all nations of the world, entitled to land their ancestors conquered thousands of years ago?

Do explain why the British under the mandate brought a halt to Jewish immigration to Palestine, and actually sent many thousands to their deaths as a result, But at the same time allowed uncontrolled immigration by muslims into Palestine. This is a matter of historical fact, so it seems that you are believing the propaganda put out by the muslims. Why are the muslims alone out of all religions allowed to claim land in Israel even when they have never set foot there.

For the record the land the Jews live on was given to them by its rightful owners under the terms of the Mandate to Palestine, just as land was given to muslims under the mandate to Palestine. And any Jew that lived on that land was forcibly evicted, beaten and left destitute.

Any comments on the truth ?

What "truth?"

The truth that is written in the real unbiased history books that show the muslims did not arrive in Palestine until the middle of the 19C. That the filastins had been given a large part of Palestine already by the British from which the Jewish land owners were forcibly evicted by the Hashemite rulers.

 

[Shaarona]

Not according to accepted history

The DNA indicates that they are descended from the people who lived in Palestine for over 2,000 years.

Arab migrations out of the Arabian peninsula to the north (Levant, Mesopotamia, Palestine and Syria) began between 10,000 and 6,000 years ago.

Jews and Arabs are sons of Abraham.

But they came as itinerant landless nomads who turned into the Bedouins, they never settled the land. According to the Koran the muslims are the sons of the illegitimate child of Abraham, a psychopathic killer who was cast out for his excesses.

Well, most westerners are very ignorant of the Bedouin and their ways.. They were all affiliated with a town or oasis.. They took the live stock for both the town and the bedu to pasture..

The bought grain, dates, textiles etc from the town and traded for meat, leather and so forth.

The idea that Bedouin never settled is just dafted.