Will Lebanon Disappear in 2014

[Phoenall]

As an example, Charles I, the English King, who evicted thousands of Catholics from Ireland in 1601 and replaced them with 20,000 English and Scottish Protestants. This was where the British hit on the divide and conquer strategy they applied on virtually every continent except South America.

It serves the forces of Empire today in Palestine and across the Middle East where tribe is set against tribe, religion against religion, and ethnic group against ethnic group for the enhanced profit of those whose incomes depend on eternal war and endless debt

Divide and Conquer as Imperial Rules - FPIF

Then we can expect you to give up your property and give it to the original owners while you live in destitution because your property was gained in this manner. After all your forefathers came to America and evicted thousands of First Nation peoples so you could have your home, or don't you want to be decent and act on your own POV

How do you know where my forefathers came from?

Well they are not first nation people, so you must have come from Europe. But this is by the by the land you live on is stolen land something that you decry until it comes to you giving it up. Nothing but a TWO FACED HYPOCRITE at the end of the day

 

[Shaarona]

Israel's moderation might have kept them from a decisive one two punch but the damage to Lebanon was minimal. Roads, bridges, infrastructure have been rebuilt better than before. Israel could easily have bombed Lebanon back into the stone age, but didn't. They carefully disabled only what they needed to.
Hezbullah brought on the fight, goading Israel. Israel handicapped itself in an attempt to spare Lebanon excessive destruction.

Israel started this fight in 1948 when 650,000 mostly recent immigrants from Europe inflicted an ethnocracy on twice as many non-Jews in Palestine. Israel deliberately targeted civilians and infrastructure in 2006 fully expecting to reach the Litani River before "agreeing" to a ceasefire. Hezbollah stopped the IDF in its treads, and Jews left Lebanon with their tails between their legs.

Still re-writing history to suit your JEW HATRED. The fight between Jews and muslims started when Mohamed the mantally retarded child abusing murderer decided to wipe out the tribe of Jews living in Medina because they refused to worship him as god.

The Jews of Medina broke the treaty .. and there were other problems. They were selling idols to the pilgrims so when Muhammed destroyed all the idols at the Kaaba, he cut into their revenue stream.

 

[Shaarona]

Then we can expect you to give up your property and give it to the original owners while you live in destitution because your property was gained in this manner. After all your forefathers came to America and evicted thousands of First Nation peoples so you could have your home, or don't you want to be decent and act on your own POV

How do you know where my forefathers came from?

Well they are not first nation people, so you must have come from Europe. But this is by the by the land you live on is stolen land something that you decry until it comes to you giving it up. Nothing but a TWO FACED HYPOCRITE at the end of the day

You are referring to what we did to the American Indian???? Dark days .. certainly nothing to be proud of.

 

[georgephillip]

Just kicking out the Arabs who had, earlier, kicked-out others. Karma's a bitch, and it's the Arabs turn in the barrel.


Because...

1. we like Jews better than Muslims?

2. the Jews held themselves together for 2000 years in anticipation of retaking it?

3. the Jews are more industrious and can do much more with the land?

4. the Jews are tougher and smarter and better warriors than the surrounding Muslims?

5. Judaism is the Spiritual Mothership of Christianity; Islam is a late-arriving, untrustworthy knock-off; so we side with the Jews?

6. we like Jews better than Muslims?

...to name a few reasons.

Now, tell us where Palestinians come from?

"The Palestinian people (Arabic: الشعب الفلسطيني*, ash-sha‘b al-Filasṭīn&#299, also referred to as Palestinians (Arabic: الفلسطينيون*, al-Filasṭīniyyūn, Hebrew: הפלסטינים*), are the modern descendants of the peoples who have lived in Palestine over the centuries, and who today are largely culturally and linguistically Arab due to Arabization of the region."

Palestinian people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hmmm, Arabization is an interesting word for colonization.

"Genetic analysis suggests that a majority of the Muslims of Palestine, inclusive of Arab citizens of Israel, are descendants of Christians, Jews and other earlier inhabitants of the southern Levant whose core may reach back to prehistoric times.

"A study of high-resolution haplotypes demonstrated that a substantial portion of Y chromosomes of Israeli Jews (70%) and of Palestinian Muslim Arabs (82%) belonged to the same chromosome pool."

Palestinian people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Where did Zionists come from?

"Theodor Herzl (Hebrew: תִאוַדָר הֶרְצֵל, Ti'vadar Hertzel; Hungarian: Herzl Tivadar; May 2, 1860 – July 3, 1904), born Benjamin Ze’ev Herzl (Hebrew: בִּנְיָמִין זְאֵב הֶרְצֵל, also known in Hebrew as חוֹזֵה הַמְדִינָה, Khozeh HaMedinah, lit. 'Visionary of the State') was a Jewish journalist and writer from Austria-Hungary.

"He is considered to have been the father of modern political Zionism and in effect the founder of the State of Israel.

"Herzl formed the World Zionist Organization and promoted Jewish migration to Palestine in an effort to form a Jewish state."

Theodor Herzl - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Phoenall]

Israel started this fight in 1948 when 650,000 mostly recent immigrants from Europe inflicted an ethnocracy on twice as many non-Jews in Palestine. Israel deliberately targeted civilians and infrastructure in 2006 fully expecting to reach the Litani River before "agreeing" to a ceasefire. Hezbollah stopped the IDF in its treads, and Jews left Lebanon with their tails between their legs.

Arabs began the fight over hundred years ago. Jews were encouraged to invest in and develop their historic homeland.
Jews responded to the arab siege of Jerusalem and the attack on a medical convoy by arabs. Ottoman and later Feisal welcomed the jews. The first mufti's son, later appointed grand mufti, incited the violence by arabs hoping to profit from some windfall after jews were 'force out'.
Jews in most of the area managed to live side by side with arabs. The riots against the jews brought arms and organization of groups like haganah into being.

Sadly as the older generations pass on, people will forget how this whole mess began. They will know only the propaganda and not the years and decades that lead up to partition and independence. The violence by arabs even the mandate could not control.

A European Mandate issued to ensure violence between Jew and Arab in Palestine by filling Palestine with tens of thousands of European Jews at the expense of Arabs who had lived on the land for generations.

Why are Jews alone, among all nations of the world, entitled to land their ancestors conquered thousands of years ago?

Do explain why the British under the mandate brought a halt to Jewish immigration to Palestine, and actually sent many thousands to their deaths as a result, But at the same time allowed uncontrolled immigration by muslims into Palestine. This is a matter of historical fact, so it seems that you are believing the propaganda put out by the muslims. Why are the muslims alone out of all religions allowed to claim land in Israel even when they have never set foot there.

For the record the land the Jews live on was given to them by its rightful owners under the terms of the Mandate to Palestine, just as land was given to muslims under the mandate to Palestine. And any Jew that lived on that land was forcibly evicted, beaten and left destitute.

Any comments on the truth ?

 

[Phoenall]

Arabs began the fight over hundred years ago. Jews were encouraged to invest in and develop their historic homeland.
Jews responded to the arab siege of Jerusalem and the attack on a medical convoy by arabs. Ottoman and later Feisal welcomed the jews. The first mufti's son, later appointed grand mufti, incited the violence by arabs hoping to profit from some windfall after jews were 'force out'.
Jews in most of the area managed to live side by side with arabs. The riots against the jews brought arms and organization of groups like haganah into being.

Sadly as the older generations pass on, people will forget how this whole mess began. They will know only the propaganda and not the years and decades that lead up to partition and independence. The violence by arabs even the mandate could not control.

A European Mandate issued to ensure violence between Jew and Arab in Palestine by filling Palestine with tens of thousands of European Jews at the expense of Arabs who had lived on the land for generations.

Why are Jews alone, among all nations of the world, entitled to land their ancestors conquered thousands of years ago?

Why are Arab squatters and beggars entitled to the land their ancestors conquered in the more recent history?

And then lost very shortly afterwards to the Ottomans who held it for over 1200 years.

 

[Shaarona]

Arabs began the fight over hundred years ago. Jews were encouraged to invest in and develop their historic homeland.
Jews responded to the arab siege of Jerusalem and the attack on a medical convoy by arabs. Ottoman and later Feisal welcomed the jews. The first mufti's son, later appointed grand mufti, incited the violence by arabs hoping to profit from some windfall after jews were 'force out'.
Jews in most of the area managed to live side by side with arabs. The riots against the jews brought arms and organization of groups like haganah into being.

Sadly as the older generations pass on, people will forget how this whole mess began. They will know only the propaganda and not the years and decades that lead up to partition and independence. The violence by arabs even the mandate could not control.

A European Mandate issued to ensure violence between Jew and Arab in Palestine by filling Palestine with tens of thousands of European Jews at the expense of Arabs who had lived on the land for generations.

Why are Jews alone, among all nations of the world, entitled to land their ancestors conquered thousands of years ago?

Do explain why the British under the mandate brought a halt to Jewish immigration to Palestine, and actually sent many thousands to their deaths as a result, But at the same time allowed uncontrolled immigration by muslims into Palestine. This is a matter of historical fact, so it seems that you are believing the propaganda put out by the muslims. Why are the muslims alone out of all religions allowed to claim land in Israel even when they have never set foot there.

For the record the land the Jews live on was given to them by its rightful owners under the terms of the Mandate to Palestine, just as land was given to muslims under the mandate to Palestine. And any Jew that lived on that land was forcibly evicted, beaten and left destitute.

Any comments on the truth ?

The Mandate didn't own any land... The Arabs had simply always lived there.

It was pretty rotten for the US , Canada and UK to turn away so many Jewish refugees.

There might not have been the SS Patria bombing.

 

[Phoenall]

Then we can expect you to give up your property and give it to the original owners while you live in destitution because your property was gained in this manner. After all your forefathers came to America and evicted thousands of First Nation peoples so you could have your home, or don't you want to be decent and act on your own POV

How do you know where my forefathers came from?

I was going to ask that as well, but I considered the source of the statement, as well as the absurdity in asking it. How exactly ridiculous would it be if everyone arbitrarily picked a point in time where their people used to stomp and decided they had some claaim to the land.

Abraham came from what is now Iraq.

And at about the same time that Europeans were arriving in America muslims were arriving in Palestine to oust the Jews and take over

 

[Shaarona]

A European Mandate issued to ensure violence between Jew and Arab in Palestine by filling Palestine with tens of thousands of European Jews at the expense of Arabs who had lived on the land for generations.

Why are Jews alone, among all nations of the world, entitled to land their ancestors conquered thousands of years ago?

Why are Arab squatters and beggars entitled to the land their ancestors conquered in the more recent history?

And then lost very shortly afterwards to the Ottomans who held it for over 1200 years.

The Ottoman Empire lasted 624 years.

 

[Shaarona]

How do you know where my forefathers came from?

I was going to ask that as well, but I considered the source of the statement, as well as the absurdity in asking it. How exactly ridiculous would it be if everyone arbitrarily picked a point in time where their people used to stomp and decided they had some claaim to the land.

Abraham came from what is now Iraq.

And at about the same time that Europeans were arriving in America muslims were arriving in Palestine to oust the Jews and take over

You think European were settling in the New World in the 7th century?????

 

[Phoenall]

Were the colonialists Irish, my position would remain the same.

That is a blatant lie

Were the colonialists Irish, my position would remain the same. Fortunately, and to their great credit, the Irish people have always opposed any and all colonial enterprise and have fought against British colonialism whenever and wherever it has occurred, to include their proxies in the mideast.

People like us and respect us for that very reason. You have your legacies. We have ours.

Is that why the Irish went and colonised America and Australia. How many Irish Americans still put money in the collection boxes for the IRA to buy weapons and bombs with so they can MASS MURDER ENGLISH CHILDREN ?

 

[Shaarona]

That is a blatant lie

Were the colonialists Irish, my position would remain the same. Fortunately, and to their great credit, the Irish people have always opposed any and all colonial enterprise and have fought against British colonialism whenever and wherever it has occurred, to include their proxies in the mideast.

People like us and respect us for that very reason. You have your legacies. We have ours.

Is that why the Irish went and colonised America and Australia. How many Irish Americans still put money in the collection boxes for the IRA to buy weapons and bombs with so they can MASS MURDER ENGLISH CHILDREN ?

Many Irish came to America as indentured servants... just as they did in the Bahamas.

Of course there were also the Palatine migrations around Saxe Gotha.

 

[Phoenall]

"...A European Mandate issued to ensure violence between Jew and Arab in Palestine by filling Palestine with tens of thousands of European Jews at the expense of Arabs who had lived on the land for generations..."

Just kicking out the Arabs who had, earlier, kicked-out others. Karma's a bitch, and it's the Arabs turn in the barrel.

"...Why are Jews alone, among all nations of the world, entitled to land their ancestors conquered thousands of years ago?"

Because...

1. we like Jews better than Muslims?

2. the Jews held themselves together for 2000 years in anticipation of retaking it?

3. the Jews are more industrious and can do much more with the land?

4. the Jews are tougher and smarter and better warriors than the surrounding Muslims?

5. Judaism is the Spiritual Mothership of Christianity; Islam is a late-arriving, untrustworthy knock-off; so we side with the Jews?

6. we like Jews better than Muslims?

...to name a few reasons.

Now, tell us where Palestinians come from?

"The Palestinian people (Arabic: الشعب الفلسطيني*, ash-sha‘b al-Filasṭīn&#299, also referred to as Palestinians (Arabic: الفلسطينيون*, al-Filasṭīniyyūn, Hebrew: הפלסטינים*), are the modern descendants of the peoples who have lived in Palestine over the centuries, and who today are largely culturally and linguistically Arab due to Arabization of the region."

Palestinian people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

According to real history they are recent arrivals and have lived there for at most 150 years, while the Jews can show 3,500 years of habitation on the land. Here are the words of just one of the many muslims fighting to destroy Israel

Palestinian Myths

Why is it that on June 4th 1967 I was a Jordanian and overnight I became a Palestinian?”
“We did not particularly mind Jordanian rule. The teaching of the destruction of Israel was a definite part of the curriculum, but we considered ourselves Jordanian until the Jews returned to Jerusalem. Then all of the sudden we were Palestinians - they removed the star from the Jordanian flag and all at once we had a Palestinian flag”.
“When I finally realized the lies and myths I was taught, it is my duty as a righteous person to speak out”.

The present-day "Palestinians" are an Arab people, with Arab culture, Arabic language and Arab history. They have their own Arab states from where they came into the Land of Israel about one century ago to contrast the Jewish immigration. That is the historical truth. They were Jordanians (another recent British invention, as there has never been any people known as "Jordanians"), and after the Six-Day War in which Israel utterly defeated the coalition of nine Arab states and took legitimate possession of Judea and Samaria, the Arab dwellers in those regions underwent a kind of anthropological miracle and discovered that they were Palestinians - something they did not know the day before. Of course, these people having a new identity had to build themselves a history, namely, had to steal some others' history, and the only way that the victims of the theft would not complain is if those victims do no longer exist. Therefore, the Palestinian leaders claimed two contradictory lineages from ancient peoples that inhabited in the Land of Israel: the Canaanites and the Philistines. Let us consider both of them before going on with the Palestinian issue.

How long do "Palestinians" live in "Palestine"?


According to the United Nations weird standards, any person that spent TWO YEARS (!!!) in "Palestine" before 1948, with or without proof, is a "Palestinian", as well as all the descendants of that person. Indeed, the PLO leaders eagerly demand the "right" of all Palestinians to come back to the land that they occupied before June 1967 c.e., but utterly reject to return back to the land where they lived only 50 years before, namely, in 1917 c.e. Why? Because if they agree to do so, they have to settle back in Iraq, Syria, Arabia, Libya, Egypt... and only a handful Arabs would remain in Israel (by Israel is intended the whole Land between the Yarden River and the Mediterranean Sea, plus the Golan region). It is thoroughly documented that the first inhabitants of Eretz Yisrael after some centuries were the Jewish pioneers, and not the Arabs so-called Palestinians. Some eyewitnesses have written their memories about the Land before the Jewish immigration:


Besides them, many Arab sources confirm the fact that the Holy Land was still Jewish by population and culture in spite of the Diaspora:
·In 985 c.e. the Arab writer Muqaddasi complained that in Jerusalem the large majority of the population were Jewish, and said that "the mosque is empty of worshippers..." .
·Ibn Khaldun, one of the most creditable Arab historians, in 1377 c.e. wrote:
"Jewish sovereignty in the Land of Israel extended over 1400 years... It was the Jews who implanted the culture and customs of the permanent settlement".
After 300 years of Arab rule in the Holy Land, Ibn Khaldun attested that Jewish culture and traditions were still dominant. By that time there was still no evidence of "Palestinian" roots or culture .


If the historic documents, comments written by eyewitnesses and declarations by the most authoritative Arab scholars are still not enough, let us quote the most important source for muslim Arabs:


"And thereafter We [Allah] said to the Children of Israel: 'Dwell securely in the Promised Land. And when the last warning will come to pass, we will gather you together in a mingled crowd'.".

- Qur'an 17:104 -

Any sincere muslim must recognize the Land they call "Palestine" as the Jewish Homeland, according to the book considered by muslims to be the most sacred word and Allah's ultimate revelation.

 

[Phoenall]

Israel started this fight in 1948 when 650,000 mostly recent immigrants from Europe inflicted an ethnocracy on twice as many non-Jews in Palestine. Israel deliberately targeted civilians and infrastructure in 2006 fully expecting to reach the Litani River before "agreeing" to a ceasefire. Hezbollah stopped the IDF in its treads, and Jews left Lebanon with their tails between their legs.

Except of course for those 1,200 dead Lebanese. But of course, what's a few dead people if it placates your insensate Jew hatreds.

"The Lebanese civilian death toll is difficult to pinpoint as most published figures, including those released by the Lebanese government, do not distinguish between civilians and Hezbollah combatants.[21]

"In addition, Hezbollah fighters can be difficult to identify as many do not wear military uniforms.[21]

"However, it has been widely reported that the majority of the Lebanese killed were civilians, and UNICEF estimated that 30% of Lebanese killed were children under the age of 13."

2006 Lebanon War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I see that you forget to mention that the reason behind the high mortality rate was due to the hezbolla tactics of forcing the Christian population of Lebanon to act as human shields. This is a trait of all Islamic groups to protect the fighters from harm, and to use as propaganda in the ensuing autopsy of the fighting

 

[Phoenall]

A European Mandate issued to ensure violence between Jew and Arab in Palestine by filling Palestine with tens of thousands of European Jews at the expense of Arabs who had lived on the land for generations.

Why are Jews alone, among all nations of the world, entitled to land their ancestors conquered thousands of years ago?

Why are Arab squatters and beggars entitled to the land their ancestors conquered in the more recent history?

Palestinians are modern descendants of people who've lived between the River and the sea for centuries, while many recent "Jews" have arrived since the end of the Cold War.

Not according to accepted history

 

[Phoenall]

How do you know where my forefathers came from?

I was going to ask that as well, but I considered the source of the statement, as well as the absurdity in asking it. How exactly ridiculous would it be if everyone arbitrarily picked a point in time where their people used to stomp and decided they had some claaim to the land.

Abraham came from what is now Iraq.

Zionists are in deep denial about the role colonization has played in the formation of the Jewish state. Original Zionists were well aware they required an iron wall of bayonets to steal Palestine from the Arabs. Some of the immigrants preferred English bayonets while others wanted Jewish ones.

"When the war (to end all war) ended, Palestine became a British colony and the Zionists found they shared many interests with their new colonial masters.

"In 1917 Britain issued the Balfour Declaration, which was the first official recognition of the Zionist settlements in Palestine.

"Under the British Mandate Government, Britain privileged the small Jewish population over the Palestinians. In 1917 there were 56,000 Jews in Palestine and 644,000 Palestinian Arabs. Still

"Britain gave Jewish capital 90 percent of concessions for projects like building roads and power plants and by 1935, Zionists owned 872 out of the 1,212 industrial firms in Palestine."

We're now at a point where roughly equal numbers of Jews and Arabs live between the River and the sea, yet every eligible Jew is allowed to vote for those writing the laws they live under while only a majority of Arabs have the same right.

The Hidden Roots of Zionism

Hardly an accepted view of the area being a work of fiction, and gleaned from a communist web site as well

 

[Shaarona]

Why are Arab squatters and beggars entitled to the land their ancestors conquered in the more recent history?

Palestinians are modern descendants of people who've lived between the River and the sea for centuries, while many recent "Jews" have arrived since the end of the Cold War.

Not according to accepted history

The DNA indicates that they are descended from the people who lived in Palestine for over 2,000 years.

Arab migrations out of the Arabian peninsula to the north (Levant, Mesopotamia, Palestine and Syria) began between 10,000 and 6,000 years ago.

Jews and Arabs are sons of Abraham.

 

[Hollie]

Why are Arab squatters and beggars entitled to the land their ancestors conquered in the more recent history?

And then lost very shortly afterwards to the Ottomans who held it for over 1200 years.

The Ottoman Empire lasted 624 years.

And it collapsed from the inside. It failed long before 1924.

 

[Shaarona]

And then lost very shortly afterwards to the Ottomans who held it for over 1200 years.

The Ottoman Empire lasted 624 years.

And it collapsed from the inside. It failed long before 1924.

I am aware of that.. I was correcting Phoenal who claimed the Ottoman Empire lasted 1200 years.

 

[Phoenall]

I could supply other adjectives...how does European, colonial, genocidal, rogue, warlike, apartheid, oppressive, murderous, deceptive, lying, charity case, arrogant, stolen Jewish state suit you.

If that camel crap makes you happy, enjoy, but the truth (not that you seem to care) is that Israel - that is to say the Jewish State - is majority indigenous Jews and their descendants.
Oops.

Perhaps you should look up the real meaning of "indigenous people".

Jewish people of Israel today, with some minor exceptions, are no more of an indigenous people to Israel than Catholics are an indigenous peopleto Italy or Mormons are indigenous people to Utah.

Why would it make me happy? Why would an avaricious lie made up to ethnically cleanse the truly indigenous people make me happy?

The simple fact of the matter is that, in the past, Israelis discover new "indigenous Jews" in the oddest of places to maintain their hegemony, hence Operation Solomon and the influx of anti-Semitic Russians. That well seems to have run dry with the late Ariel Sharon's solicitations of "Leave france, come to Israel" by French Jews so the Zionists have now resorted to the ethnic cleansing of the people who have lived there for centuries.

Yet medical studies have shown that a little over 1% of the Jews in Israel don't have the cohen gene, while 90% of the muslims don't have it either. Even the Ethiopian Jews show the cohen gene in their DNA