Will Obama Hellcare adopt the UK's Death Panels?

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Radical Freedom
Aug 16, 2009
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Great Britain’s cash-strapped hospital system is already covertly culling its population of institutionalized retirees by withholding drinking water. Britain has culled its hospital population by 42,000 a year this way. Death by dehydration leaves no fingerprints. Nursing home patients there are reported to have struggled to find water from flower vases in order to survive. This horror movie may soon come to America.

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Hmmm.

Divide 42 thousand by 63 million and you have .0007 decrease in patients.

Damn the British health care system!
 
No, they can use the ones the private for profit insurance companies have now.
 
Hmmm.

Divide 42 thousand by 63 million and you have .0007 decrease in patients.

Damn the British health care system!

You are a true patriot. Hopefully you will feel the same way when it happens to you and your family.

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Transcript | Life and Death in Assisted Living | FRONTLINE | PBS

LESLEY CLEMENT, Elder Abuse Attorney: She was there 10 days and she had a fall, and she was found face down on the floor. She was taken to the hospital alone. This woman suffered from dementia. They didn’t have enough caregiving staff to put someone in the ambulance with her that could be her voice and talk for her at the hospital.

She comes back. That’s it. She’s put in bed. She’s put in a wheelchair. She doesn’t move anymore. And that’s what starts her breakdown. She was in the fetal position. She wasn’t bathed. She had eight different areas of skin damage, pressure ulcers, dead skin that goes through muscle tissue. You can see into her body.

A.C. THOMPSON: After consulting with a doctor, Clement concluded that pressure sores led to Joan’s death. Under state law, seniors with wounds this serious are not allowed to remain in assisted living, but Joan stayed at Emerald Hills for weeks with these sores.

Jenny Hitt testified that she tried to treat the wounds herself, even though she knew she wasn’t qualified to. She said her boss told her, “Just don’t let anybody know.”

Clement also discovered that it was an Emeritus policy to “keep the back door shut.” Lisa Paglia, a former regional manager, testified about what that meant.

LESLEY CLEMENT: What did you understand “Keep that back door closed” to mean?

LISA PAGLIA: Don’t let anybody move out unless they were deceased.

A.C. THOMPSON: But Emeritus CEO Granger Cobb, testifying under oath, disputed that description of the back door policy.

LESLEY CLEMENT: What does that term mean?

GRANGER COBB: They— it— it refers to trying to do everything we can in situations where residents want to stay with us, family want their loved ones to stay with us, to be able to— to keep them. Families usually want their loved ones to stay with us as long as possible, as opposed to skilled nursing, you know, very institutional environment. And so we try to work with the families and do all we can to— to, you know, accommodate that.

A.C. THOMPSON: In the Boice case, lawyers for Emeritus offered a completely different characterization of the care Joan received and why she died.

BRYAN REID, Defense Attorney, Emeritus: The care providers who were providing the care made it pretty clear that they worked very hard to take care of Joan Boice. We had testimony from witnesses who said, they observed — outside witnesses — they observed the care staff spending hours with Mrs. Boice, you know, taking care of her, repositioning her, keeping her clean. So the evidence dictated against Mrs. Boice being neglected.

I can understand how a family could be angry about what’s happening to their loved one. That’s real. Where we go wrong is when we take that anger that that family has and that grief and that suffering and we direct it to the people who were there for the resident. They’re not the evil. It’s the diseases of aging that are the evil.

A.C. THOMPSON: It was Alzheimer’s and a series of strokes that led to Joan’s death, according to Dr. Richard Tindall, an expert witness for Emeritus.

RICHARD TINDALL, M.D., Neurologist: The bedsores or decubiti did not contribute to her death, OK? She’s having more and more difficulty walking and moving. She doesn’t want to get up on her leg. They interpreted it as a problem with the foot. In reality, it’s paralysis of the leg. This is a stroke syndrome.

She died because of her Alzheimer’s and stroke leading to a bedridden status, an inability to take adequate nutrition and hydration, progressive dehydration, malnutrition, which then you stop breathing and you die. And that is, in fact, in a hospice situation, how Alzheimer’s patients and severe stroke patients die.

A.C. THOMPSON: To counter the Emeritus case, Clement tapped one of the country’s leading forensic geriatricians.

KATHRYN LOCATELL, MD, Forensic Geriatrician: The key record in this particular case is the description of the pressure ulcers that she acquired at Emeritus. We have photographic evidence and we have measurements taken at the nursing home where she went. We have a very complete description of what her condition was like when she left Emeritus.

We also have some records from before she went to Emeritus. If you just— if you didn’t know anything about Emeritus or the facility and you would look at the condition when she went in and the condition when she left, you would say, “Wow, what happened to her? Something, you know, really bad must have happened to her.” Then you look at the operation of the facility, and you say, “She was neglected. That’s how she ended up like that.”

A.C. THOMPSON: [on camera] And you think that neglect stems from there being not enough trained staff.

Dr. KATHRYN LOCATELL: Exactly. Not enough staff, so no one can help her walk, to keep her walking. And if you don’t help her move, she’s going to get a pressure injury to her skin. So those things all should have been done. Instead, nothing was done.

A.C. THOMPSON: [voice-over] Deep into the litigation, Emeritus offered to settle the case.

ERIC BOICE: So the company came to us and offered us $3.3 million to walk away, to turn our back and not say any more about this case.

A.C. THOMPSON: [on camera] They offered you $3 million?

ERIC BOICE: Over $3 million, yeah. And so— and that’s a substantial amount of money. But that also came with, basically, a gag order, an order that we wouldn’t have been able to talk. We would not have been able to share my mom’s story.

They wanted us to turn over all of our investigative— everything— they knew that we had a lot of stuff that had been uncovered, and they wanted all that. They wanted it all to be shredded, all to be destroyed. That was part of the bargain for the money. And we weren’t willing to do that.

A.C. THOMPSON: [voice-over] Emeritus says it never told the family it would shred the documents and that any offer it made was not an admission of wrongdoing.

And so the trial went on. And on March 5th, 2013, all 12 jurors found the Emeritus Corporation liable for recklessness, oppression and fraud in the wrongful death of Joan Boice. And they ruled that Emeritus executives were well aware of the unfitness of their employees.

The jury awarded punitive damages of nearly $23 million. The amount came from combining Granger Cobb’s annual compensation with that of the company’s chairman. And the 81 cents? That was to remind Emeritus of Joan’s age.
 
No, they can use the ones the private for profit insurance companies have now.

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Grieving: Julie Bailey, pictured with others who have lost relatives at Stafford Hospital, told the inquiry patients were left without water at night and were left 'screaming' out in pain on chaotic and under-staffed wards
 
We have many thousands of seniors dying of neglect in our "assisted living" facilities right here in the US.
 
Obama Care will not exist in 3-4 years...it doesn't work and it can't be fixed. Sorry Libs but that is the truth.
 
Why would anything in Obamacare do that?

When publicly funded healthcare cannot afford to treat patients adequately, it's because they don't have sufficient public funds.

Who are those most likely to cut public funds? Democrats or Republicans? Liberals or Conservatives?
 
Why would anything in Obamacare do that?

When publicly funded healthcare cannot afford to treat patients adequately, it's because they don't have sufficient public funds.

Who are those most likely to cut public funds? Democrats or Republicans? Liberals or Conservatives?

You question is predicated on the condition that democratic politicians give a damn about the elderly. Ditto for either side.
 
Why would anything in Obamacare do that?

When publicly funded healthcare cannot afford to treat patients adequately, it's because they don't have sufficient public funds.

Who are those most likely to cut public funds? Democrats or Republicans? Liberals or Conservatives?

You question is predicated on the condition that democratic politicians give a damn about the elderly. Ditto for either side.

Given, for example, that a surprisingly large portion of Medicaid goes to the elderly, and it's not the Democrats trying to gut Medicaid, I say that question has been answered.
 
Let me repeat and clarify the question:

Why would anything in Obamacare do what is described in the OP?

Specifically.
 
Read the entire book of Obamacare mandates and you may find that relatives of patients can be imprisoned for bringing food or water to those the properly authorized cull panels have decided are past their expiration dates.
 
Try being elderly in the state of Arkansas. You go to the hospital, if the MD claims you can't take care of yourself they will and do order you to a nursing facility. You are now their prisoner. The state can take away your property and sell it to pay for the nursing home. Free country my ass.
 
Read the entire book of Obamacare mandates and you may find that relatives of patients can be imprisoned for bringing food or water to those the properly authorized cull panels have decided are past their expiration dates.

What page is it on?
 
Let me repeat and clarify the question:

Why would anything in Obamacare do what is described in the OP?

Specifically.

U.S. Heading For Financial Trouble.

To illustrate their impact, he uses a power point presentation to show what would happen in 30 years if the U.S. maintains its current course and fulfills all of the promises politicians have made to the public on things like Social Security and Medicare.

What would happen in 2040 if nothing changes?

"If nothing changes, the federal government's not gonna be able to do much more than pay interest on the mounting debt and some entitlement benefits. It won't have money left for anything else - national defense, homeland security, education, you name it," Walker warns.
 
Try being elderly in the state of Arkansas. You go to the hospital, if the MD claims you can't take care of yourself they will and do order you to a nursing facility. You are now their prisoner. The state can take away your property and sell it to pay for the nursing home. Free country my ass.

So, who should pay the nursing home for your care?

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Of course they will, there is NO WAY they wouldn't be able to

rationing when the money starts running low is the next thing for this...

you see people dying today from waiting for organ transplants, you will see them dying for less when this takes over

BUT HEY, dying from the flu will BE FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
 

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