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I want to toss out a line of argument here for consideration. For the purposes of this thread we will assume that Obamacare is doomed based on the SCOTUS hearings the last two days. Many have said this will be a critical blow to Obama. Personally I am not so sure. I think it can be used as an effective weapon actually. Consider the following strategy. Keep in mind it matters not whether any of this ir true or factual...only that it can be sold to the American people.
1) Obama will attack Romney on the grounds that the Republicans through the conservative wing of the Supreme Court (and by extension Romney) just took away 40 million people's health insurance, allowed people with pre-existing conditions to be denied care, etc.
2) After Obamacare is ruled unconstitutional it's possible that businesses will breathe a sigh of relief that they no longer have a large financial burden awaiting them in the future. With this feeling of comfort and security they will likely start hiring again meaning unemployment decreases and the economy picks up steam.
3) Obama can argue that his economic policies are working if point #2 comes to fruition and therefore deserves a second term. Of course the exact opposite will be true: in that scenario the economy would start rolling because Obama's policies got throw out on their ear (and Romney will have to stick that point hard), but the average person will not make that connection and the media sure isn't going to point it out to them.
4) Health care will once again become a critical part of the general election campaign and most polls that I have seen show that people trust the Democrats more on that topic than they do the Republicans. Rasmussen , for example, has a two point edge to the Democrats on that issue. Obama will be able to bedazzle the voters with bullshit again and promise them ice cream cones and unicorns in regard to health care...and frankly they will fall for it again.
Now I do think that Obama will take an initial hit when Obamacare goes down, but I am not so convinced that it will be a death bell tolling for him. I think he can use it to his advantage. And keep in mind I can't stand Obama so I am not engaging in liberal wishful thinking here.
Thoughts?
Now I do think that Obama will take an initial hit when Obamacare goes down, but I am not so convinced that it will be a death bell tolling for him. I think he can use it to his advantage. And keep in mind I can't stand Obama so I am not engaging in liberal wishful thinking here.
Thoughts?
Now I do think that Obama will take an initial hit when Obamacare goes down, but I am not so convinced that it will be a death bell tolling for him. I think he can use it to his advantage. And keep in mind I can't stand Obama so I am not engaging in liberal wishful thinking here.
Thoughts?
This is consistent with most political observers: those most vehemently opposed to the ACA weren’t going to vote for Obama anyway, whether it was upheld or not. The striking down of the ACA will help energize Obama’s base and act as a rallying point with regard to ‘get out the vote’ efforts.
Indeed, the Court will be doing Obama a political favor in the long run when it invalidates the entire Bill; with the ACA gone, a ‘weapon’ for the right to use will also be gone. And many voters will be angry that popular provisions of the Act will no longer be in effect, such as coverage for those with pre-existing conditions and adult children under 27 years of age.
Obama can correctly claim he successfully delivered on his promise to reform healthcare, only to have that legislation struck down by a capricious, partisan, and activist Court legislating from the bench.
Unfettered by the ACA and his base and supporters motivated consequently, Obama’s already good chances of being re-elected will only improve.
Sorry, it will be a devastating humiliation and forceful rebuttal of his signature piece of legislation. He will be looked upon as a total loser, because that is what he is. 
Democrats shouldn't be expected to do anything other than claim a loss is in their best interests.
The loony left are so blinded by ideology that they will try to spin a devastating loss into a huge win. "It will be a good thing"....yeah, right.
The reality: If and when Obamacare is struck down as unconstitutional- IT WILL BE A HUGE LOSS FOR OBAMA. Think about it- Obama is the "Constitutional Professor" who pushed for an unpopular, hyper partisan law that bitterly divided the nation. It is a flawed law in so many ways that we had to "pass the law to learn what is in the law" and it nearly had to be "Deemed" passed rather than actually voted on. This same law is later determined to be UNCONSTITUTIONAL? He's so "brilliant" that he didn't know it would be shot down?
Spin away mental midgets......
The loony left are so blinded by ideology that they will try to spin a devastating loss into a huge win. "It will be a good thing"....yeah, right.
The reality: If and when Obamacare is struck down as unconstitutional- IT WILL BE A HUGE LOSS FOR OBAMA. Think about it- Obama is the "Constitutional Professor" who pushed for an unpopular, hyper partisan law that bitterly divided the nation. It is a flawed law in so many ways that we had to "pass the law to learn what is in the law" and it nearly had to be "Deemed" passed rather than actually voted on. This same law is later determined to be UNCONSTITUTIONAL? He's so "brilliant" that he didn't know it would be shot down?
Spin away mental midgets......
Medicare For ALL!!!!
"This, of course, is the nightmare scenario for insurers and effectively puts them in a bind, a bind which would ultimately lead to the end of a for-profit insurance model in the United States."
"Will Obamacare's Loss be Obama's Gain?"
NO, however he might pick up some sympathy votes.
But will it be Romney's loss??? Hmmm... ( RomneyCare )
If the Supreme Court finds that the individual mandate is unconstitutional, that is not legislating from the bench. It is doing what the Supreme Court was designed for by the framers.
The loony left are so blinded by ideology that they will try to spin a devastating loss into a huge win. "It will be a good thing"....yeah, right.
The reality: If and when Obamacare is struck down as unconstitutional- IT WILL BE A HUGE LOSS FOR OBAMA. Think about it- Obama is the "Constitutional Professor" who pushed for an unpopular, hyper partisan law that bitterly divided the nation. It is a flawed law in so many ways that we had to "pass the law to learn what is in the law" and it nearly had to be "Deemed" passed rather than actually voted on. This same law is later determined to be UNCONSTITUTIONAL? He's so "brilliant" that he didn't know it would be shot down?
Spin away mental midgets......
If the Supreme Court finds that the individual mandate is unconstitutional, that is not legislating from the bench. It is doing what the Supreme Court was designed for by the framers.
I agree with you. As i said I listened to the whole thing and very rarely did I hear anything but legitimate arguments on the merits of the case...but the perception of course by Obamacare supporters is that it's all politics. What they overlook of course is that adherence to the constitution is, arguably at least, a major element of the Republican party while ignoring it is the hallmark of the liberals. That goes with the Supreme Court justices as well.
So to say that it's being, or at least appears to be, tossed out on politics alone is only correct if you consider that following the constitution has itself become an indicator of which party you support.
Ironically, of course it's the liberals who are crying about legislating from the bench on this one when the four liberal justices clearly are the ones ignoring the constitutional restraints on the powers of the federal government.
But will it be Romney's loss??? Hmmm... ( RomneyCare )
The loony left are so blinded by ideology that they will try to spin a devastating loss into a huge win. "It will be a good thing"....yeah, right.
The reality: If and when Obamacare is struck down as unconstitutional- IT WILL BE A HUGE LOSS FOR OBAMA. Think about it- Obama is the "Constitutional Professor" who pushed for an unpopular, hyper partisan law that bitterly divided the nation. It is a flawed law in so many ways that we had to "pass the law to learn what is in the law" and it nearly had to be "Deemed" passed rather than actually voted on. This same law is later determined to be UNCONSTITUTIONAL? He's so "brilliant" that he didn't know it would be shot down?
Spin away mental midgets......
"Will Obamacare's Loss be Obama's Gain?"
NO, however he might pick up some sympathy votes.
But will it be Romney's loss??? Hmmm... ( RomneyCare )
And you may BET it will be brought up should Romney nail the nomination. We'll hear so many comparisons made...it will boggle the mind.
"Will Obamacare's Loss be Obama's Gain?"
NO, however he might pick up some sympathy votes.
But will it be Romney's loss??? Hmmm... ( RomneyCare )
And you may BET it will be brought up should Romney nail the nomination. We'll hear so many comparisons made...it will boggle the mind.
Plus the argument allows Romney to cater to tea partiers by reinforcing his value that it was ok to do it as a state issue but not ok under the 10th ammendment for the federal govt.
