will putin send T-34 against the leopards , other our modern tanks? if yes, what chances they´ll have on the battlefield ? I PICTURES MADE IN ussr

[Bleipriester]

Oh no! Putin surrenders!

Three cute cat videos delivered to Ukraine!

 

[Litwin]

Oh no! Putin surrenders!

Three cute cat videos delivered to Ukraine!

This is a Russian soldier who was in Kherson, he goes by the callsign "13th". His telegram channel is worth reading. The Google translations aren't perfect, but you get the meaning.
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Thirteenth.
As for the tanks.
A video surfaced on the Internet, where a train of ancient T-55s was walking, bureaucrats and sofa experts instantly began to come up with an excuse that this was equipment for checkpoints ... or to take spare parts from it. What the hell are roadblocks? This is not Chechnya, the Chechen fighters did not have such an army and weapons.
What is going on?
T-55, T-62.....
"Deep modernization"?
The presence of a simple thermal imaging sight and "contact-1" does not make a modern car out of a tank of the sixties and seventies.
Where is the fire control system, where is the panoramic sight of the tank commander, where is the modern cannon and modern shells, where is the least bit adequate armor, where is the normal walkie-talkie and communications equipment, where is the powerful engine, but ... All this is not there. There are old worn-out tanks from conservation, that's all. Fight as you wish.
With the same success, you can put a Chinese tepak on a muzzle-loading gun of the 18-19th century, give analog baofengs to the calculation and say that this is for checkpoints and for the third line, and in general is almost in no way inferior to modern Western models. Fucked up.
Then another video on Russia24 will show how “our brave mobilized nightmares strengthened the Ukronazis from a unicorn of the 1804 model that was modernized at Uralvagonzavod”

 

[Bleipriester]

This is a Russian soldier who was in Kherson, he goes by the callsign "13th". His telegram channel is worth reading. The Google translations aren't perfect, but you get the meaning.
------------------------------------------
Thirteenth.
As for the tanks.
A video surfaced on the Internet, where a train of ancient T-55s was walking, bureaucrats and sofa experts instantly began to come up with an excuse that this was equipment for checkpoints ... or to take spare parts from it. What the hell are roadblocks? This is not Chechnya, the Chechen fighters did not have such an army and weapons.
What is going on?
T-55, T-62.....
"Deep modernization"?
The presence of a simple thermal imaging sight and "contact-1" does not make a modern car out of a tank of the sixties and seventies.
Where is the fire control system, where is the panoramic sight of the tank commander, where is the modern cannon and modern shells, where is the least bit adequate armor, where is the normal walkie-talkie and communications equipment, where is the powerful engine, but ... All this is not there. There are old worn-out tanks from conservation, that's all. Fight as you wish.
With the same success, you can put a Chinese tepak on a muzzle-loading gun of the 18-19th century, give analog baofengs to the calculation and say that this is for checkpoints and for the third line, and in general is almost in no way inferior to modern Western models. Fucked up.
Then another video on Russia24 will show how “our brave mobilized nightmares strengthened the Ukronazis from a unicorn of the 1804 model that was modernized at Uralvagonzavod”

T-72 is very old too. Leopard 1 is very old too. Ukraine will get no Leopard 1, though. It is just scrap metal (peace doves didn´´t care to maintain them) and they don´t have ammo for it. You can see, there are only 18 Leopard 2, no Leopard 1 on the list:

Military support for Ukraine | Federal Government

War in Ukraine: This list provides an overview of Germany’s lethal and non-lethal military support for Ukraine.

www.bundesregierung.de

So even if true what you say, Ukraine has no tanks. Almost all lost. That is why they suddenly tried to dig out some tanks although they stressed "no heavy weapons" before. You know the result, you can´t equip a sand box with that few silly tanks.

 

[Litwin]

T-72 is very old too. Leopard 1 is very old too. Ukraine will get no Leopard 1, though. It is just scrap metal (peace doves didn´´t care to maintain them) and they don´t have ammo for it. You can see, there are only 18 Leopard 2, no Leopard 1 on the list:

Military support for Ukraine | Federal Government

War in Ukraine: This list provides an overview of Germany’s lethal and non-lethal military support for Ukraine.

www.bundesregierung.de

So even if true what you say, Ukraine has no tanks. Almost all lost. That is why they suddenly tried to dig out some tanks although they stressed "no heavy weapons" before. You know the result, you can´t equip a sand box with that few silly tanks.

 

[Litwin]

T-72 is very old too. Leopard 1 is very old too. Ukraine will get no Leopard 1, though. It is just scrap metal (peace doves didn´´t care to maintain them) and they don´t have ammo for it. You can see, there are only 18 Leopard 2, no Leopard 1 on the list:

Military support for Ukraine | Federal Government

War in Ukraine: This list provides an overview of Germany’s lethal and non-lethal military support for Ukraine.

www.bundesregierung.de

So even if true what you say, Ukraine has no tanks. Almost all lost. That is why they suddenly tried to dig out some tanks although they stressed "no heavy weapons" before. You know the result, you can´t equip a sand box with that few silly tanks.

 

[Bleipriester]

Not the first time you post that. Can´t know if that is true, unless the source is the Indian Airforce and not some monkey on Twitter.

 

[para bellum]

Not the first time you post that. Can´t know if that is true, unless the source is the Indian Airforce and not some monkey on Twitter.

It is from the Indian MoD 2023-2024 Budget Request. A reduction in the IAF Capital budget estimate due to the delivery failures.

See pages 20-21 in this doc.

https://loksabhadocs.nic.in/lsscommittee/Defence/17_Defence_36.pdf

 

[para bellum]

T-72 is very old too. Leopard 1 is very old too. Ukraine will get no Leopard 1, though. It is just scrap metal (peace doves didn´´t care to maintain them) and they don´t have ammo for it. You can see, there are only 18 Leopard 2, no Leopard 1 on the list:

Military support for Ukraine | Federal Government

War in Ukraine: This list provides an overview of Germany’s lethal and non-lethal military support for Ukraine.

www.bundesregierung.de

Ukraine will get 20-24 Leo 1's this spring that are currently being refurbished by Rheinmetall. The remainder of the 100+ are unknown, depends on funding.

There are at least 71 LEO 2's promised, from 7 different countries- possibly more. They are starting to arrive in Ukraine now.

So even if true what you say, Ukraine has no tanks. Almost all lost. That is why they suddenly tried to dig out some tanks although they stressed "no heavy weapons" before. You know the result, you can´t equip a sand box with that few silly tanks.

Best estimate is Ukraine has about 1,000 operational MBT's today.

 

[Bleipriester]

Ukraine will get 20-24 Leo 1's this spring that are currently being refurbished by Rheinmetall. The remainder of the 100+ are unknown, depends on funding.

There are at least 71 LEO 2's promised, from 7 different countries- possibly more. They are starting to arrive in Ukraine now.

This list is a German government list. There are no Leopard 1 listed. German Chancellor was even in Brazil to ask for Leopard 1 ammo. Lula didn´t give him a single one. Other countries like Portugal and Spain said that their Leopards are not operational.

Best estimate is Ukraine has about 1,000 operational MBT's today.

No, it is zero. 20 Maybe. They lost them all, including those donated by Poland and other countries. Otherwise, the West, who said "no heavy weapons" before, wouldn´t rush for some tanks to give it to Ukraine. I am citing the Austrian Commander of the Guard:

"When Putin invaded Ukraine on February 24, Ukraine had 1100 active Tanks. But the Russian troops destroyed much of Ukraine´s equipment. The West reacted with the shipment of soviet tanks. These stocks are now largely depleted but now western tanks are coming".

https://www.focus.de/politik/ausland/ukraine-krise/putins-panzer-bredouille-vier-t-72-fuer-einen-leo-moskaus-brachiale-antwort-auf-unsere-panzer_id_184442490.html

 

[para bellum]

This list is a German government list. There are no Leopard 1 listed. German Chancellor was even in Brazil to ask for Leopard 1 ammo. Lula didn´t give him a single one. Other countries like Portugal and Spain said that their Leopards are not operational.

The Leo 1's are not coming from German inventory, they just needed German approval.

European coalition to give refurbished Leopard 1 tanks to Ukraine

The tanks, predecessors of the more capable Leopard 2, are held in storage by German defense companies and are in various readiness conditions.

www.defensenews.com

No, it is zero. 20 Maybe. They lost them all, including those donated by Poland and other countries. Otherwise, the West, who said "no heavy weapons" before, wouldn´t rush for some tanks to give it to Ukraine. I am citing the Austrian Commander of the Guard:

"When Putin invaded Ukraine on February 24, Ukraine had 1100 active Tanks. But the Russian troops destroyed much of Ukraine´s equipment. The West reacted with the shipment of soviet tanks. These stocks are now largely depleted but now western tanks are coming".

https://www.focus.de/politik/ausland/ukraine-krise/putins-panzer-bredouille-vier-t-72-fuer-einen-leo-moskaus-brachiale-antwort-auf-unsere-panzer_id_184442490.html

1100 to start, about 500 donated by allies, and a little over 500 more captured. Plus roughly 120 upgraded T-72's, (30 x PT-91) from Poland and (90 x T-72EA) Czechia. Those deliveries began in January.

Ukrainian visually confirmed tank losses, 480 as per Oryx. Even if you double that, Ukraine still has more MBT's today than they started with.

I see AFU tanks operating every day, the videos published within 3-4 days of the battles. There are AFU tanks in Bakhmut and Avdiivka right now.

The AFU's 93rd Mech. Bde. is grown so over-strength, it's really a division-size formation now. It strains the command and control, and needs to be broken up into 2-3 separate brigades.

10-11K in Russia, if you count T-55's and T-62's...

 

[Bleipriester]

It is from the Indian MoD 2023-2024 Budget Request. A reduction in the IAF Capital budget estimate due to the delivery failures.

See pages 20-21 in this doc.

https://loksabhadocs.nic.in/lsscommittee/Defence/17_Defence_36.pdf

Well, some deliveries are not taking place. It is not even clear if these are Ukrainian or Russian deliveries.

 

[Bleipriester]

The Leo 1's are not coming from German inventory, they just needed German approval.

European coalition to give refurbished Leopard 1 tanks to Ukraine

The tanks, predecessors of the more capable Leopard 2, are held in storage by German defense companies and are in various readiness conditions.

www.defensenews.com

Germany wanted to donate at lest 88 Leopard 1 tanks. But they are not on the list, although it includes not only army but also company owned equipment.

1100 to start, about 500 donated by allies, and a little over 500 more captured. Plus roughly 120 upgraded T-72's, (30 x PT-91) from Poland and (90 x T-72EA) Czechia. Those deliveries began in January.

Ukrainian visually confirmed tank losses, 480 as per Oryx. Even if you double that, Ukraine still has more MBT's today than they started with.

I see AFU tanks operating every day, the videos published within 3-4 days of the battles. There are AFU tanks in Bakhmut and Avdiivka right now.

The AFU's 93rd Mech. Bde. is grown so over-strength, it's really a division-size formation now. It strains the command and control, and needs to be broken up into 2-3 separate brigades.

10-11K in Russia, if you count T-55's and T-62's...

You don´t seriously believe that the Ukrainians captured 500 tanks from Russia. I think their tanks are gone. Russia is making many tanks now, if we are to believe Medvedev.
There is a huge bunch of Baghdad Bobs who want us to believe everything is fine.

 

[themirrorthief]

Oh no! Putin surrenders!

Three cute cat videos delivered to Ukraine!

the old tanks go much faster in reverse

 

[para bellum]

You don´t seriously believe that the Ukrainians captured 500 tanks from Russia. I think their tanks are gone.

I believe what is visually documented and confirmed, and I have seen lots of captured Z tanks in AFU hands.

Attack On Europe: Documenting Russian Equipment Losses During The Russian Invasion Of Ukraine

www.oryxspioenkop.com

Attack On Europe: Documenting Ukrainian Equipment Losses During The Russian Invasion Of Ukraine

www.oryxspioenkop.com

Russia is making many tanks now, if we are to believe Medvedev.
There is a huge bunch of Baghdad Bobs who want us to believe everything is fine.

Good thing Medvedev isn't another Baghdad Bob!

 

[para bellum]

Well, some deliveries are not taking place. It is not even clear if these are Ukrainian or Russian deliveries.

They don't say specifically, but they are referring to an S-400 system that was supposed to be delivered to the IAF this year.

It's the only major capital expenditure planned by the IAF that fits the amount of the budget cut.

The Russians said it was not going to be delivered, and the IAF removed it from this year's budget request.

 

[Bleipriester]

I believe what is visually documented and confirmed, and I have seen lots of captured Z tanks in AFU hands.

Attack On Europe: Documenting Russian Equipment Losses During The Russian Invasion Of Ukraine

www.oryxspioenkop.com

Attack On Europe: Documenting Ukrainian Equipment Losses During The Russian Invasion Of Ukraine

www.oryxspioenkop.com

Good thing Medvedev isn't another Baghdad Bob!

Good thing Kiev Bob will take over Crimea soon.

 

[Bleipriester]

They don't say specifically, but they are referring to an S-400 system that was supposed to be delivered to the IAF this year.

It's the only major capital expenditure planned by the IAF that fits the amount of the budget cut.

The Russians said it was not going to be delivered, and the IAF removed it from this year's budget request.

We can´t tell. Could also be other stuff.

 

[Litwin]

Not the first time you post that. Can´t know if that is true, unless the source is the Indian Airforce and not some monkey on Twitter.

At least the T-34 are more proven and more reliable than non-existing T-14 Armata...

50? Time has flew must faster. T-34 is 80 year- old equipment. And oldest T-54/55 are over 70- year old equipments....

 

[Litwin]

Target Practice

T-34 exist only as a few museum pieces since they are WWII relics.

The attention should be on the T-62. There are several thousands of these in storage. They are being repaired an upgraded with night vision. But they lack modern armor, and would be no match for the tanks the west is sending to Ukraine.

 

[Litwin]

Target Practice

Are you talking about that very few Leopard tanks? What when they are gone too? Will Zelensky mobilize the T-34 from the monuments?

T-34 exist only as a few museum pieces since they are WWII relics.

The attention should be on the T-62. There are several thousands of these in storage. They are being repaired an upgraded with night vision. But they lack modern armor, and would be no match for the tanks the west is sending to Ukraine.

update

Putin has send MADE IN 1943 IS-3 tanks to front-line in Ukraine to contra Free World Leopard 2A6 & Challenger2 tanks

What chances do sralin´s IS-3 tanks have Leopard 2A6 & Challenger2 tanks ? Putin has send MADE IN 1943 IS-3 tanks to front-line in to contra Free World Leopard 2A6 & Challenger2 tanks

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