Will The Democrats Finally Admit They Are a Socialist Party?

[Mac1958]

Pure socialism does as it doesn't produce innovation compared to a less centralized system could. But, once again you're describing things as between pures of pure capitalism and pure socialism....

When issues become politicized they become very shallow and binary, which is why it's so difficult to solve problems once they become politicized. Life is a bit more complicated than that, but the arguments remain simplistic as you describe.

Government involvement, depth and scope exists on a continuum - pure libertarianism on one end, pure communism on the other. The question is where a society is going to exist on that continuum - where the best balance of public and private interests is.

I'd think the bottom line is quality of life - isn't that the point? Personally, my quality of life is better when local parks & roads are nice, where we invest in technology and people, and where I know that people who have less capacity to take care of themselves can still have a decent quality of life for themselves.

But there remains a tipping point at which government involvement removes too much from economic dynamism, and that we can't pay for the above.

Identifying that equilibrium requires cooperation and independent thought, and that's just not cool right now.
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[David_42]

Socialist government programs is the reason they're poor in the first place.

Very funny, you're advocating child labor because socialist programs that would prevent that will make them poor.

Socialism doesn't prevent starvation. It causes starvation.

Pure socialism does as it doesn't produce innovation compared to a less centralized system could. But, once again you're describing things as between pures of pure capitalism and pure socialism...Social-democracy has capitalism but regulates it so it doesn't turn into something that fucks over 95% of the rest of the nation. In which case there's many starving people in both cases.

Pure capitalism doesn't fuck anyone over. I have yet to see anyone in here post an example of capitalism "fucking someone over." Socialism is what fucks people over. Just consider the hundreds of thousands of dollars that Social Security and Medicare have fucked me out of.

What a hilarious man, I knew you were simply a butthurt idiot.

 

[David_42]

Government bailouts are not examples of capitalism. They are examples of socialism.

What a dingbat!

The point, moron, is that $trillions of taxpayer money went to the corrupt banking maffia because they were too big to fail.

If that isn't an example of your beloved capitalism screwing the population I don't know what is.

Anything bad that happens is due to socialism, in bripats little mind.

 

[David_42]

People starve in socialist countries. They don't starve in capitalist countries.

Indeed, because all those nice capitalists make sure to leave some food in the garbage cans

Under socialism people can't afford garbage cans.

Every country has a mix of socialism and capitalism, the socialism mix came about due to capitalism failing on its own.

 

[David_42]

Socialist government programs is the reason they're poor in the first place.

Very funny, you're advocating child labor because socialist programs that would prevent that will make them poor.

Socialism doesn't prevent starvation. It causes starvation.

Oh no. Food stamps, Medicaid, meals on wheels.. EVIL SOCIALISM.

 

[David_42]

Where children work it's because starvation is the alternative.

They wouldn't have to starve if there were some evil socialist programs in place

Socialist government programs is the reason they're poor in the first place. When China abandoned communism it lifted 400 million people out of the lowest class of poverty.

People starve in socialist countries. They don't starve in capitalist countries.

Err, I'm pretty sure Somalia is a capitalist country. Unless your definition of capitalism involves sucking friedmans dick.

 

[Jantje_Smit]

Err, I'm pretty sure Somalia is a capitalist country. Unless your definition of capitalism involves sucking friedmans dick.

Somalia is Ayn Rand paradise, no government, no rules, no taxes, everybody has a gun, those with the biggest guns steal whatever they want..... a capitalist wet dream.

 

[David_42]

Err, I'm pretty sure Somalia is a capitalist country. Unless your definition of capitalism involves sucking friedmans dick.

Somalia is Ayn Rand paradise, no government, no rules, no taxes, everybody has a gun, those with the biggest guns steal whatever they want..... a capitalist wet dream.

Apparently that's cronyism. LOL. It really says something about the logic of capitalists.

 

[bripat9643]

Government bailouts are not examples of capitalism. They are examples of socialism.

What a dingbat!

The point, moron, is that $trillions of taxpayer money went to the corrupt banking maffia because they were too big to fail.

If that isn't an example of your beloved capitalism screwing the population I don't know what is.

It's funny how turds like you never blame politicians for government corruption. Who approved the bailouts?

 

[bripat9643]

Socialist government programs is the reason they're poor in the first place.

Very funny, you're advocating child labor because socialist programs that would prevent that will make them poor.

Socialism doesn't prevent starvation. It causes starvation.

Pure socialism does as it doesn't produce innovation compared to a less centralized system could. But, once again you're describing things as between pures of pure capitalism and pure socialism...Social-democracy has capitalism but regulates it so it doesn't turn into something that fucks over 95% of the rest of the nation. In which case there's many starving people in both cases.

Pure capitalism doesn't fuck anyone over. I have yet to see anyone in here post an example of capitalism "fucking someone over." Socialism is what fucks people over. Just consider the hundreds of thousands of dollars that Social Security and Medicare have fucked me out of.

What a hilarious man, I knew you were simply a butthurt idiot.

In other words, you can't provide any examples of capitalism fucking anyone over.

 

[Jantje_Smit]

It's funny how turds like you never blame politicians for government corruption. Who approved the bailouts?

That would be your beloved idiot in chief, Bu$h, and Obama too of course.

You think it's a coincidence that those some banksters that got bailed out also donate $billions to get those same politicians selected? Or doesn't that compute in your alternative reality?

 

[kaz]

I get your drift.

but the Constitution authorizes the federal government to

"raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;"


So it does not prevent them from using mercenaries . Specially since the Framers did not want standing armies. Hence appropriations for no more than two years.


Secondly

Article 1, Section 8 Authorizes congress to

declare War, "grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal", and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;


so there , if Congress issues Letters of Marque and reprisal and pays mercenaries the entire defense apparatus will consists of private individuals hired for a specific purpose.


Unfortutanely, we have evolved into a welfare/warfare state hence the military is used as an organization to provide welfare type of benefits.

IF YOU HAVE TROUBLE READING WHY NOT LEARN HOW

TO ENLARGE FONTS IN YOUR BROWSER INSTEAD OF

IRRITATING THE F()K OUT OF THE REST OF THE

WORLD?



ARE YOU ONE OF THOSE DEAF F()KS WHO REFUSES TO

WEAR HEARING AIDS?


AND WHAT IS UP WITH ALL THE SPACES?

ARE YOU USING A MACHINE FOR THE BLIND? THE DEAF?


WHAT IS UP?

SHUT THE FUCK UP - QUIT STONEWALLING AND ADDRESS THE ISSUES:


but the Constitution authorizes the federal government to

"raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;"


So it does not prevent them from using mercenaries . Specially since the Framers did not want standing armies. Hence appropriations for no more than two years.


Secondly

Article 1, Section 8 Authorizes congress todeclare War, "grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal",and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;
so there , if Congress issues Letters of Marque and reprisal and pays mercenaries the entire defense apparatus will consists of private individuals hired for a specific purpose.


Unfortutanely, we have evolved into a welfare/warfare state hence the military is used as an organization to provide welfare type of benefits.

Yeah, didn't George Washington start that pension nonsense by insisting his officers retire with half pay after the Revolution? I don't think the enlisted pukes got it only the officers.

So ... paying people who serve in the military is welfare?

 

[kaz]

Okay, expand on that.

Drop Social Security and Medicare and let seniors fend for themselves?

Do you want to buy everyone a car or do you want to just let us fend for ourselves?

Just asking a question. You only said "personal responsibility". Give me some detail here.

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Do or die is his idea of it. Pre-new deal and 19th century. Would be a cold reality for this generation...Be careful who you vote for generation x'ers.

So people starved to death before Social Security existed?

Okay, expand on that.

Drop Social Security and Medicare and let seniors fend for themselves?

Do you want to buy everyone a car or do you want to just let us fend for ourselves?

Just asking a question. You only said "personal responsibility". Give me some detail here.

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Do or die is his idea of it. Pre-new deal and 19th century. Would be a cold reality for this generation...Be careful who you vote for generation x'ers.

So people starved to death before Social Security existed?

Poor people were the responsibility of the states. Then in the Great Depression the states could not provide so the federal government took over.

That makes no sense, Holmes, the sum of the States = the country, the Federal government = the country. You said the whole country couldn't do it, so the whole country had to do it

 

[kaz]

Just asking a question. You only said "personal responsibility". Give me some detail here.

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Do or die is his idea of it. Pre-new deal and 19th century. Would be a cold reality for this generation...Be careful who you vote for generation x'ers.

So people starved to death before Social Security existed?

Just asking a question. You only said "personal responsibility". Give me some detail here.

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Do or die is his idea of it. Pre-new deal and 19th century. Would be a cold reality for this generation...Be careful who you vote for generation x'ers.

So people starved to death before Social Security existed?

Poor people were the responsibility of the states. Then in the Great Depression the states could not provide so the federal government took over.

No, the federal government "took over" simply because FDR wanted it to take over.

Never let a tragedy go to waste!

Isn't that the Democrat motto?

BTW, you just admitted that no one starved before SS.

Yes, we know you hate the idea of states actually failing to care for people, sorry that the federal government has a place in the affairs of helping others.

The federal government helps others, now THAT is humor

 

[Jantje_Smit]

The federal government helps others, now THAT is humor

Well, the government helps arms manufacturers, poor banksters who need a bailout, mutinationals who want to dodge taxes, torturers looking for a job, privatized prisons looking for customers.....

Corporations are people too, my friend

 

[kaz]

The federal government helps others, now THAT is humor

Well, the government helps arms manufacturers, poor banksters who need a bailout, mutinationals who want to dodge taxes, torturers looking for a job, privatized prisons looking for customers.....

Corporations are people too, my friend

That's crony capitalism, which is a form of socialism, not capitalism, Holmes

 

[regent]

Do or die is his idea of it. Pre-new deal and 19th century. Would be a cold reality for this generation...Be careful who you vote for generation x'ers.

So people starved to death before Social Security existed?

Do or die is his idea of it. Pre-new deal and 19th century. Would be a cold reality for this generation...Be careful who you vote for generation x'ers.

So people starved to death before Social Security existed?

Poor people were the responsibility of the states. Then in the Great Depression the states could not provide so the federal government took over.

No, the federal government "took over" simply because FDR wanted it to take over.

Never let a tragedy go to waste!

Isn't that the Democrat motto?

BTW, you just admitted that no one starved before SS.

I didn't say no one starved. When the Great Depression hit, it was a Republican president, Hoover, that began transferring the welfare problem from the states to the national government, RFC. When FDR took over he required the able bodied to work, CCC, WPA, PWA and other work programs.

I'm the one saying no one starved. You're saying people did. provide some examples of people starving to death or shut up.

By "required the able bodied to work" you mean he created some massive welfare programs.

Yep, those massive welfare programs of FDR produced1000 miles of new airport runways, 650,000 miles of highways, 124,000 bridges, 8000 parks, 18,000 playgrounds, 41,000 schools, the TVA, Grand Coulee Dam, the Triborough Bridge. and more. Add to that, the work of the CCC's in our forests.

 

[Jantje_Smit]

That's crony capitalism, which is a form of socialism, not capitalism, Holmes

Not really Watson, that's actually fascism

"Fascism should more appropriately be called corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini

 

[kaz]

That's crony capitalism, which is a form of socialism, not capitalism, Holmes

Not really Watson, that's actually fascism

"Fascism should more appropriately be called corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini

Fascism and Crony capitalism are essentially the same thing, Holmes. Industry is technically in private hands, but the market is controlled by government. Both of them are forms of socialism.

Capitalism is economic freedom. That government controls free markets is an oxymoron

 

[SAYIT]

naaa, they prefer to LIE to their base of voters

They don't have to lie ... increasingly Dem voters are also card-carrying socialists who say silly things like "Social Security and fire departments are pure socialism."
Ya just can't fix stupid.