Will The Democrats Finally Admit They Are a Socialist Party?

[Ravi]

Sure. Social Security and fire departments are pure socialism. You against those too?

Many fire departments, particularly in the northeast where I am originally from, are volunteer forces. As for Social Security, yes, I do oppose it because it is heading towards insolvency due to Baby Boomer greed and I will never be able to withdraw a dime that I have put into it.

Lots of volunteer fire departments, and I honor every single person who participates, but public fire departments are much more effective. That's why most small towns scramble at the first opportunity to set one up. How effective do you think a volunteer fire department would have been on 9/11?

There are also private fire departments, and they are about 1/3 the price of government run fire departments. When you pay people to retire at 42 on a 100% pension, it gets real expensive.

Who pays for them?

Private fire departments? Homeowners pay for them through their mortgages. Maintaining fire protection is part of their mortgage agreement, just like maintaining homeowner's insurance is.

Ok, I've no idea if that is true. What I do know is that strict fire codes have reduced fires overall. Is that socialism, and if so,is it bad?

 

[ScienceRocks]

SS is worst than theft. They steal 15% of your life time income( enough to make an average American rich) and give you back dog food money if you live long enough to collect a penny.

You don't seem to bitch too much when you get your check.

Americans would bitch a lot less if they got their $1.4 million at retirement rather than the dog food money liberals give you.

Most Americans don't know how to save or some corporation/bank fucks them out of it at one point or another. Reality is totally different from the world you believe in.

 

[ScienceRocks]

Sure. Social Security and fire departments are pure socialism. You against those too?

Many fire departments, particularly in the northeast where I am originally from, are volunteer forces. As for Social Security, yes, I do oppose it because it is heading towards insolvency due to Baby Boomer greed and I will never be able to withdraw a dime that I have put into it.

Lots of volunteer fire departments, and I honor every single person who participates, but public fire departments are much more effective. That's why most small towns scramble at the first opportunity to set one up. How effective do you think a volunteer fire department would have been on 9/11?

There are also private fire departments, and they are about 1/3 the price of government run fire departments. When you pay people to retire at 42 on a 100% pension, it gets real expensive.

Who pays for them?

Private fire departments? Homeowners pay for them through their mortgages. Maintaining fire protection is part of their mortgage agreement, just like maintaining homeowner's insurance is.

Who do you think pays the taxes for our police, fire departments, and road maintenance??? IT goes through the government and they dole it out to certain people that get it done.

I am very thankful some of these things are regulated and we elect the government to over see that it gets done.

 

[ScienceRocks]

Greece, Rome, and on down the line had taxes and public services. Public services is a important element of civilization.

 

[OnePercenter]

Yes, I'm against SS and government run fire departments.

Then who should pay for it?

1) SS should be in private accounts free from liberal theft
2) fire departments can be private businesses just like buying insurance.

1) SS should be in private accounts free from liberal theft

Liberal theft? Ronald Reagan and The Great Social Security Heist FedSmith.com

2) fire departments can be private businesses just like buying insurance.

What would the cost be vs. tax based?

 

[2aguy]

Greece, Rome, and on down the line had taxes and public services. Public services is a important element of civilization.

Who says they aren't....but those services belong at the local level....strictly controlled by the people in that town....Why send money to Washington in taxes, to have them take their percent of it and then give back what they think we need.....why not just keep that tax money in the town or state, and not send it to Washington....every lefty I talk to can't explain that....

 

[OnePercenter]

Private fire departments? Homeowners pay for them through their mortgages. Maintaining fire protection is part of their mortgage agreement, just like maintaining homeowner's insurance is.

I'm glad I don't have a mortgage on any of my properties. Man! I'm getting away with not paying for fire protection!

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

It's kind of hard to get offended by the label anymore when you've got thousands of enthusiastic Democrats lining up to hear Bernie Sanders' populist Scandinavian style welfare state plan for our nation. The man is, after all, the only self admitted Socialist elected to the U.S. Senate and he is edging closer and closer to toppling Hillary each day.

Will the republicans ever admit they are a Fascist party?

Both of the two major parties employ elements of Fascism.

 

[OnePercenter]

There are also private fire departments, and they are about 1/3 the price of government run fire departments. When you pay people to retire at 42 on a 100% pension, it gets real expensive.

There are also private fire departments, and they are about 1/3 the price of government run fire departments.

Care to list one and the total cost as well as a nearby municipal Fire Department?

When you pay people to retire at 42 on a 100% pension, it gets real expensive.

Which municipal Fire Department pays out 100% pension at 21 years service?

 

[OnePercenter]

Who says they aren't....but those services belong at the local level....strictly controlled by the people in that town....Why send money to Washington in taxes, to have them take their percent of it and then give back what they think we need.....why not just keep that tax money in the town or state, and not send it to Washington....every lefty I talk to can't explain that....

Doesn't Washington send most if not all/more back to the States?

You can keep all the money in town, but what happens when there's a catastrophic event? Does the town go bankrupt?

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

"Will The Democrats Finally Admit They Are a Socialist Party?"

The OP should admit that this fails as a composition fallacy.

 

[ScienceRocks]

Name a civilization that isn't a third world hell hole that doesn't have a public sector?

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

It's kind of hard to get offended by the label anymore when you've got thousands of enthusiastic Democrats lining up to hear Bernie Sanders' populist Scandinavian style welfare state plan for our nation. The man is, after all, the only self admitted Socialist elected to the U.S. Senate and he is edging closer and closer to toppling Hillary each day.

We hope the OP won't get offended when he's told he's only exhibiting his ignorance of what 'socialism' is.

 

[regent]

If socialism, (whatever that is) is done at a the local level is it still socialism or does the program have to be at the federal level for it to be labeled socialism?

 

[2aguy]

Who says they aren't....but those services belong at the local level....strictly controlled by the people in that town....Why send money to Washington in taxes, to have them take their percent of it and then give back what they think we need.....why not just keep that tax money in the town or state, and not send it to Washington....every lefty I talk to can't explain that....

Doesn't Washington send most if not all/more back to the States?

You can keep all the money in town, but what happens when there's a catastrophic event? Does the town go bankrupt?

No. They can get help from the state or other local states...that keeps any money local and more controllable, and any corruption is easier to deal with.

 

[regent]

When will you admit that some socialist polices are the main stay of civilization??? We wouldn't have civilization without them.

I don't admit it because it's simply not true. There is nothing that government does that the private sector can't do better and cheaper.

How about the military?

 

[2aguy]

If socialism, (whatever that is) is done at a the local level is it still socialism or does the program have to be at the federal level for it to be labeled socialism?

Paying for a fire service is not socialism.

 

[2aguy]

When will you admit that some socialist polices are the main stay of civilization??? We wouldn't have civilization without them.

I don't admit it because it's simply not true. There is nothing that government does that the private sector can't do better and cheaper.

How about the military?

Stated in the Constitution already. That is a federal matter...Common Defense.

 

[2aguy]

When will you admit that some socialist polices are the main stay of civilization??? We wouldn't have civilization without them.

I don't admit it because it's simply not true. There is nothing that government does that the private sector can't do better and cheaper.

How about the military?

Stated in the Constitution already. That is a federal matter...Common Defense.

And private military contractors are better than almost all military units. They can hire the best, and do the job more efficiently.

 

[ScienceRocks]

I am glad we're a social democracy like every single first world country on this planet. I support both public and private sectors. They're both needed!