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But...what if it's competing against businesses?So, a little bit of Socialism is OK then...after all, The Constitution allows some federal powers.Ya think?Not socialism....
They could be contracted out...you know...Free Market.
You said so yourself.
That means they are 'controlling the means of production' when the work could be done privately...isn't that Socialism?
Therefore The Constitution is clearly a Socialist manifesto.
Sorry, the Constitution puts strict limits on the powers of the federal government and how it interferes in an economy, so no, it isn't a socialist document. The federal government has no control over the means of production or the distribution of goods and services.
It doesn't allow control of individual businesses does it....nor the control over what is made, sold or bought by individuals...until obamacare. Keep trying to lie about the Constitution....it won't work.
Isn't that the same thing?
You know, building and operating roads, running a military...all things that could be done privately...you said so yourself.
That's pretty socialist isn't it?
Where's the Fire Service?And before the lefties can distort and lie, here is the Constitution...and exactly what the Federal Government is allowed to do.....not one point says they can control individual businesses...
Transcript of the Constitution of the United States - Official Text
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;
To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;
To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;
To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;
To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;
To establish Post Offices and post Roads;
To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;
To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;
To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations;
To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;
To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;
To provide and maintain a Navy;
To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;
To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;—And
To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.
Everything else....belongs to the people or the states.....everything else....
Tell me where in the constitution you have socialism...
Socialism Definition of socialism by Merriam-Webster
1 any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2 a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property
b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done
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See socialism defined for kids
Not one point is in the Constitution......so no...it is not a socialist document.
"Our adopted term 'Socialist' has nothing to do with Marxian Socialism. Marxism is anti-property; true Socialism is not."
--Adolf Hitler, Sunday Express, 28 September 1930; cited. in The Rise of Fascism by F.L. Carsten, p. 137
So you would have no problem with the federal government setting up a chain of stores for example...competing against Walmart etc.But...what if it's competing against businesses?So, a little bit of Socialism is OK then...after all, The Constitution allows some federal powers.Ya think?
They could be contracted out...you know...Free Market.
You said so yourself.
That means they are 'controlling the means of production' when the work could be done privately...isn't that Socialism?
Therefore The Constitution is clearly a Socialist manifesto.
Sorry, the Constitution puts strict limits on the powers of the federal government and how it interferes in an economy, so no, it isn't a socialist document. The federal government has no control over the means of production or the distribution of goods and services.
It doesn't allow control of individual businesses does it....nor the control over what is made, sold or bought by individuals...until obamacare. Keep trying to lie about the Constitution....it won't work.
Isn't that the same thing?
You know, building and operating roads, running a military...all things that could be done privately...you said so yourself.
That's pretty socialist isn't it?
No.
Where's the Fire Service?And before the lefties can distort and lie, here is the Constitution...and exactly what the Federal Government is allowed to do.....not one point says they can control individual businesses...
Transcript of the Constitution of the United States - Official Text
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;
To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;
To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;
To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;
To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;
To establish Post Offices and post Roads;
To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;
To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;
To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations;
To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;
To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;
To provide and maintain a Navy;
To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;
To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;—And
To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.
Everything else....belongs to the people or the states.....everything else....
Tell me where in the constitution you have socialism...
Socialism Definition of socialism by Merriam-Webster
1 any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2 a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property
b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done
See socialism defined for English-language learners
See socialism defined for kids
Not one point is in the Constitution......so no...it is not a socialist document.
So you would have no problem with the federal government setting up a chain of stores for example...competing against Walmart etc.But...what if it's competing against businesses?So, a little bit of Socialism is OK then...after all, The Constitution allows some federal powers.Sorry, the Constitution puts strict limits on the powers of the federal government and how it interferes in an economy, so no, it isn't a socialist document. The federal government has no control over the means of production or the distribution of goods and services.
It doesn't allow control of individual businesses does it....nor the control over what is made, sold or bought by individuals...until obamacare. Keep trying to lie about the Constitution....it won't work.
Isn't that the same thing?
You know, building and operating roads, running a military...all things that could be done privately...you said so yourself.
That's pretty socialist isn't it?
No.
Interesting...now you sound socialist.
"Socialism is a fraud, a comedy, a phantom, a blackmail.""Our adopted term 'Socialist' has nothing to do with Marxian Socialism. Marxism is anti-property; true Socialism is not."
--Adolf Hitler, Sunday Express, 28 September 1930; cited. in The Rise of Fascism by F.L. Carsten, p. 137
The nazi state controlled every aspect of the economy...so yes...it was a socialist state....according to the definition of socialism...
Mises Daily Mises Institute
My purpose today is to make just two main points: (1) To show why Nazi Germany was a socialist state, not a capitalist one. And (2) to show why socialism, understood as an economic system based on government ownership of the means of production, positively requires a totalitarian dictatorship.
The identification of Nazi Germany as a socialist state was one of the many great contributions of Ludwig von Mises.
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What Mises identified was that private ownership of the means of production existed in name only under the Nazis and that the actual substance of ownership of the means of production resided in the German government. For it was the German government and not the nominal private owners that exercised all of thesubstantive powers of ownership: it, not the nominal private owners, decided what was to be produced, in what quantity, by what methods, and to whom it was to be distributed, as well as what prices would be charged and what wages would be paid, and what dividends or other income the nominal private owners would be permitted to receive. The position of the alleged private owners, Mises showed, was reduced essentially to that of government pensioners.
De facto government ownership of the means of production, as Mises termed it, was logically implied by such fundamental collectivist principles embraced by the Nazis as that the common good comes before the private good and the individual exists as a means to the ends of the State. If the individual is a means to the ends of the State, so too, of course, is his property. Just as he is owned by the State, his property is also owned by the State.
But what specifically established de facto socialism in Nazi Germany was the introduction of price and wage controls in 1936. These were imposed in response to the inflation of the money supply carried out by the regime from the time of its coming to power in early 1933. The Nazi regime inflated the money supply as the means of financing the vast increase in government spending required by its programs of public works, subsidies, and rearmament. The price and wage controls were imposed in response to the rise in prices that began to result from the inflation.
So you would have no problem with the federal government setting up a chain of stores for example...competing against Walmart etc.But...what if it's competing against businesses?So, a little bit of Socialism is OK then...after all, The Constitution allows some federal powers.
It doesn't allow control of individual businesses does it....nor the control over what is made, sold or bought by individuals...until obamacare. Keep trying to lie about the Constitution....it won't work.
Isn't that the same thing?
You know, building and operating roads, running a military...all things that could be done privately...you said so yourself.
That's pretty socialist isn't it?
No.
Interesting...now you sound socialist.
That is socialism and is not allowed, since the federal government would have to use tax money to do that....not in there....
On too many points you are out there, but we'll address two:It's kind of hard to get offended by the label anymore when you've got thousands of enthusiastic Democrats lining up to hear Bernie Sanders' populist Scandinavian style welfare state plan for our nation. The man is, after all, the only self admitted Socialist elected to the U.S. Senate and he is edging closer and closer to toppling Hillary each day.
So you would have no problem with the federal government setting up a chain of stores for example...competing against Walmart etc.But...what if it's competing against businesses?It doesn't allow control of individual businesses does it....nor the control over what is made, sold or bought by individuals...until obamacare. Keep trying to lie about the Constitution....it won't work.
Isn't that the same thing?
You know, building and operating roads, running a military...all things that could be done privately...you said so yourself.
That's pretty socialist isn't it?
No.
Interesting...now you sound socialist.
That is socialism and is not allowed, since the federal government would have to use tax money to do that....not in there....
When the country is run by anonymous nuts on the internet, you can make your fantasies a reality.
Why is the Democratic Party socialist and the Republican Party not socialist?
When the country is run by anonymous nuts on the internet, you can make your fantasies a reality.That is socialism and is not allowed, since the federal government would have to use tax money to do that....not in there....
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So you would have no problem with the federal government setting up a chain of stores for example...competing against Walmart etc.But...what if it's competing against businesses?It doesn't allow control of individual businesses does it....nor the control over what is made, sold or bought by individuals...until obamacare. Keep trying to lie about the Constitution....it won't work.
Isn't that the same thing?
You know, building and operating roads, running a military...all things that could be done privately...you said so yourself.
That's pretty socialist isn't it?
No.
Interesting...now you sound socialist.
That is socialism and is not allowed, since the federal government would have to use tax money to do that....not in there....
When the country is run by anonymous nuts on the internet, you can make your fantasies a reality.
So tell us what socialism is.If socialism, (whatever that is) is done at a the local level is it still socialism or does the program have to be at the federal level for it to be labeled socialism?
The ignorant continue to not know the difference of Socialism vs. Socialist Ideals.
So tell us what socialism is.If socialism, (whatever that is) is done at a the local level is it still socialism or does the program have to be at the federal level for it to be labeled socialism?
The ignorant continue to not know the difference of Socialism vs. Socialist Ideals.
oh you little man. making the font bigger doesn't add anythingSo you would have no problem with the federal government setting up a chain of stores for example...competing against Walmart etc.But...what if it's competing against businesses?
Isn't that the same thing?
You know, building and operating roads, running a military...all things that could be done privately...you said so yourself.
That's pretty socialist isn't it?
No.
Interesting...now you sound socialist.
That is socialism and is not allowed, since the federal government would have to use tax money to do that....not in there....
When the country is run by anonymous nuts on the internet, you can make your fantasies a reality.
Since the country is run by parasites and demagogues YOUR fantasies are realities.
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Ok, I've no idea if that is true. What I do know is that strict fire codes have reduced fires overall. Is that socialism, and if so,is it bad?Who pays for them?Many fire departments, particularly in the northeast where I am originally from, are volunteer forces. As for Social Security, yes, I do oppose it because it is heading towards insolvency due to Baby Boomer greed and I will never be able to withdraw a dime that I have put into it.
Lots of volunteer fire departments, and I honor every single person who participates, but public fire departments are much more effective. That's why most small towns scramble at the first opportunity to set one up. How effective do you think a volunteer fire department would have been on 9/11?
There are also private fire departments, and they are about 1/3 the price of government run fire departments. When you pay people to retire at 42 on a 100% pension, it gets real expensive.
Private fire departments? Homeowners pay for them through their mortgages. Maintaining fire protection is part of their mortgage agreement, just like maintaining homeowner's insurance is.
But...isn't that exactly what the Constitution allows when setting up a military service when - according to you - it could be done better by a private business?So you would have no problem with the federal government setting up a chain of stores for example...competing against Walmart etc.But...what if it's competing against businesses?So, a little bit of Socialism is OK then...after all, The Constitution allows some federal powers.
It doesn't allow control of individual businesses does it....nor the control over what is made, sold or bought by individuals...until obamacare. Keep trying to lie about the Constitution....it won't work.
Isn't that the same thing?
You know, building and operating roads, running a military...all things that could be done privately...you said so yourself.
That's pretty socialist isn't it?
No.
Interesting...now you sound socialist.
That is socialism and is not allowed, since the federal government would have to use tax money to do that....not in there....
