CDZ Will Vaccinated People Be More Vulnerable to Variants?

[badger2]

The effectiveness ratio of at least one vaccine is here:

30 Jun 2021 LA Times: Delta Variant / California

Highly contagious Delta coronavirus variant spreading fast in California

The Delta variant now makes up 14.5% of coronavirus cases analyzed so far this month in California, up from 4.7% in May.

www.latimes.com

’....Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine was 80% effective against symptomatic disease caused by the Delta variant and 96% protective against hospitalization.’

 

[jc456]

The effectiveness ratio of at least one vaccine is here:

30 Jun 2021 LA Times: Delta Variant / California

Highly contagious Delta coronavirus variant spreading fast in California

The Delta variant now makes up 14.5% of coronavirus cases analyzed so far this month in California, up from 4.7% in May.

www.latimes.com

’....Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine was 80% effective against symptomatic disease caused by the Delta variant and 96% protective against hospitalization.’

when one government wants to shut out it's residents, they make shit up. Know this. variants are harmless. I already posted it.

The effects of virus variants on COVID-19 vaccines

www.who.int

Most viral mutations have little to no impact on the virus’s ability to cause infections and disease. But depending on where the changes are located in the virus’s genetic material, they may affect a virus’s properties, such as transmission (for example, it may spread more or less easily) or severity (for example, it may cause more or less severe disease).

 

[ClaireH]

My mother sent me the link to this article that was just published today on Mercola.com. Here's their "story at a glance version":

**
Analysis by Dr. Joseph Mercola Fact Checked

April 19, 2021

STORY AT-A-GLANCE

• Experts have raised warnings about the problematic history of coronavirus vaccines and their propensity to produce antibody‐dependent enhancement (ADE), which could make vaccinated individuals more susceptible to infection by SARS-CoV-2 or its variants
• An October 2020 paper stressed that “COVID‐19 vaccines designed to elicit neutralizing antibodies may sensitize vaccine recipients to more severe disease than if they were not vaccinated,” and criticized vaccine makers for not clearly informing participants in current vaccine trials of this risk
• Vaccinated individuals do appear to be more susceptible to infection by certain variants of SARS-CoV-2, although it remains to be seen whether they are more prone to serious illness
• Israeli researchers compared 400 individuals who had tested positive for the South African B.1.351 SARS-CoV-2 variant after receiving at least one dose of Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine against 400 unvaccinated individuals who had been infected. Among those who received two doses of the vaccine, the variant was eight times more prevalent than in unvaccinated individuals (5.4% compared to 0.7%)
• By analyzing blood samples, a second study found Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine was 6.8 times less effective against the South African B.1.351 variant compared to generic strains of the virus

**
Full article here:

Find Out What Experts Are Saying About the COVID Shots

As soon as COVID vaccines were announced, doctors, scientists, researchers and other experts have been voicing their concerns about them. Find out why.

articles.mercola.com

Some may have caught on to the fact that the Israeli study they're referring to is one I created a thread about on Wednesday:

CDZ - Pfizer Vaccine May Put People at Higher Risk for COVID Variants, Israeli Study Shows

Found this article today over at RFK Jr.'s Children's Health Defense website. Just published yesterday, think it's quite interesting. Constructive feedback welcome. ** Israeli researchers found people who received two doses of the Pfizer vaccine were eight times more likely to be infected with...

www.usmessageboard.com

2 other posters here have also created threads that touch on some of the same themes:

Reverse Transcription And Vaxxing--Is This A Threat?

This is a lengthy read if you don't skip lines. It is thought provoking concerning the possible long term effects of corona virus vaccines and their ability to permanently alter our DNA. In some cases, the immunity to future infection by a corona virus may be reversed making the consequences...

www.usmessageboard.com

Could mRNA Vaccines Permanently Alter DNA? Recent Science Suggests They Might.

The true meaning of it you gonna die if you accept the 'jab' of Gates. Schwab & Co Research on SARS-CoV-2 RNA by scientists at Harvard and MIT has implications for how mRNA vaccines could permanently alter genomic DNA, according to Doug Corrigan, Ph.D., a biochemist-molecular biologist who says...

www.usmessageboard.com

Indeed and again that second dose- I wouldn’t be getting that regardless of timing. Safer to space the 2 doses farther apart (two weeks was considered to be the standard but many having immediate consequences following the second dose they’ve tossed that around more), according to various medical researchers. Still deemed a risk regardless of timing.

Imo very few should even consider any of these Covid-19 vaccines unless perhaps one of the plant-based sourced options that will be available soon reportedly. I’m still going to invest some reading time regarding the plant-based sources, but at this time it makes sense, that if one is still gung ho about getting it but hasn’t, animal-based (chicken embryo) mishaps are null and void with tobacco sourced options soon to come out. Once they are available to the public in US and CA, the governments are not going to be able to push/market their animal sourced products much because of the reduced costs, quicker productivity, and no need to worry about refrigeration.

It’ll be more than interesting to read what the WHO and CDC will say about the soon to happen new option and how they justify their rush (meeting with FDA heads) for creating a vaccine, signing up millions during the experimental phase, that could cause more harm than good- including increasing their chances to contract variants- Delta, more likely to follow.

What we need is public disclosure of the SARS-Cov2 papers that were rejected prior to peer review for the full picture.

 

[Turtlesoup]

Fort Fun Indiana

Whose anti-vaxx sheep--------I have vaccinations for other things------
I am not willing to be a guinea pig for not fully tested mRNA altering drug that has side effects that I can see the politicians and globalists trying to hide..........the same a-holes who brought us this deadly disease. I am an old farm girl----and know when someone is trying to drive some poor critter in a direction that leads to their slaughter.

I am in no rush to put a drug in my system that hasn't been fully tested knowing there is always side effects----especially with dead bodies already piling up after taking it.

Its irrational, mostly fear, that drives people to get the vaccine-------

The virus and the vaccine are not what the powers that be claim.

I say this as my husband has just been informed of another of his employees having passed away because of the virus.

 

[jc456]

Fort Fun Indiana

Whose anti-vaxx sheep--------I have vaccinations for other things------
I am not willing to be a guinea pig for not fully tested mRNA altering drug that has side effects that I can see the politicians and globalists trying to hide..........the same a-holes who brought us this deadly disease. I am an old farm girl----and know when someone is trying to drive some poor critter in a direction that leads to their slaughter.

I am in no rush to put a drug in my system that hasn't been fully tested knowing there is always side effects----especially with dead bodies already piling up after taking it.

Its irrational, mostly fear, that drives people to get the vaccine-------

The virus and the vaccine are not what the powers that be claim.

I say this as my husband has just been informed of another of his employees having passed away because of the virus.

again, if masks worked there'd be no need to take a vaccine. If that vaccine worked, then there'd be no reason to wear a mask. They can't get that shit by me. It's all fake. fake, fake, fake, fake, fake, fake, fake, fake, fake, fake, fake, fake, fake, fake, fake, fake, fake, fake, fake, fake, fake, fake, fake, fake, fake, fake,

 

[Grumblenuts]

It takes a real charlatan to leech off the naïve and gullible.

Experts fire back after Trump asks whether injecting disinfectant can fight coronavirus

Consuming disinfectants can even be fatal, former FDA Commissioner Scott Gottlieb told CNBC on Friday.

www.cnbc.com

 

[badger2]

This is not made-up science. Y’all are trying to form an image of the reaction of all involved genomes to these vaccines. That’s why we analyze ratios.

 

[badger2]

#83 is trying to get a snapshot of a genome’s reaction to the vaccine that is not her genome’s reaction. Most failures trying to get a snapshot of the Russian roulette in progress will fall short of established science. On another thread, that is why Putin suggests talking to specialists (if there are any).

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Poly want a quacker?

Lol, it looks like lefties can't produce any propaganda posted by Dr Mercola that isn't true...

Except for when i just did. Yes, when the laughingstock fraud spreads lies about fake medicines for profit, it's false propaganda. And that true if one is a leftist like me or a Trumpanzee like you.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

I am not willing to be a guinea pig for not fully tested mRNA altering drug that has side effects that I can see the politicians and globalists trying to hide.....

Well that's false. I knew it wouldn't take long until your attempt to spin your resistance as rational was exposed as irrational.

 

[EvMetro]

Poly want a quacker?

Lol, it looks like lefties can't produce any propaganda posted by Dr Mercola that isn't true...

Except for when i just did. Yes, when the laughingstock fraud spreads lies about fake medicines for profit, it's false propaganda. And that true if one is a leftist like me or a Trumpanzee like you.

If I only had a dollar for every time a lefty claimed to have posted an answer to what he is evading, I'd be rich. Lefties always have a reason why they cannot tell us what was posted, only that it was posted "somewhere".

You will never be posting any propaganda of his that is not true. Go on now, post your next evasion...

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Poly want a quacker?

Lol, it looks like lefties can't produce any propaganda posted by Dr Mercola that isn't true...

Except for when i just did. Yes, when the laughingstock fraud spreads lies about fake medicines for profit, it's false propaganda. And that true if one is a leftist like me or a Trumpanzee like you.

If I only had a dollar for every time a lefty claimed to have posted an answer to what he is evading, I'd be rich. Lefties always have a reason why they cannot tell us what was posted, only that it was posted "somewhere".

You will never be posting any propaganda of his that is not true. Go on now, post your next evasion...

I didnt use the word propaganda. I posted that he is a fraud and a laughingstock and gave an example. Face it bitchboi, yer gonna whine like a bitch no matter what.

 

[EvMetro]

Poly want a quacker?

Lol, it looks like lefties can't produce any propaganda posted by Dr Mercola that isn't true...

Except for when i just did. Yes, when the laughingstock fraud spreads lies about fake medicines for profit, it's false propaganda. And that true if one is a leftist like me or a Trumpanzee like you.

If I only had a dollar for every time a lefty claimed to have posted an answer to what he is evading, I'd be rich. Lefties always have a reason why they cannot tell us what was posted, only that it was posted "somewhere".

You will never be posting any propaganda of his that is not true. Go on now, post your next evasion...

I didnt use the word propaganda. I posted that he is a fraud and a laughingstock and gave an example. Face it bitchboi, yer gonna whine like a bitch no matter what.

Post 69, you quoted me asking "can you post what propaganda Dr Mercola pushes that is not true?" Your response did not include the answer to what you quoted of me. You evaded a few more times and finally claimed that you already posted it. You are still evading. I STILL do not see the answer to what you quoted of me in post 69. Again, the question that you replied to, can you post what propaganda Dr Mercola pushes that is not true?

 

[Pellinore]

Regarding Mercola.

He is widely regarded as dangerously and intentionally misleading by a variety of reliable sources, including many from outside the media. Here are just two:
Boston University: Research: Fake News and News Bias: Fact checking links
Monmouth College: Hewes Library: Evaluating Information Sources: Resources

Additionally, he has a laundry list of specific examples, including:
- He says that there is a specific risk to those who take the Covid vaccine, when that risk does not exist: Post makes false claim about COVID-19 vaccine risk
- That seniors dying from the Covid vaccine are having their COD listed as natural causes, which they are not: https://archive.is/bIj1i
(This is a registration-needed archive site, reprinting an article that was once on his website.)
- He insisted that a variety of products that he conveniently sells in his shop could cure Covid, when they couldn't. Here is the FDA warning letter: Mercola.com, LLC - 607133 - 02/18/2021
- On the non-Covid front, he said a heat detector can catch breast cancer more safely than a mammogram, which is dangerously wrong: FDA warns doctor: Stop touting camera as disease screening tool

There are a lot more.

In poking around while writing this post, I also found this paragraph in an article from Quackwatch:

Many of Mercola’s articles make unsubstantiated claims and clash with those of leading medical and public health organizations. For example, he opposes immunization [11] fluoridation. [12], mammography [13], and the routine administration of vitamin K shots to the newborn [14,15]; claims that amalgam fillings are toxic [16]; and makes many unsubstantiated recommendations for dietary supplements. He has advised against eating many foods that the scientific community regards as healthful, such as bananas, oranges, red potatoes, white potatoes, all milk products, and almost all grains [17]. He has also given silly advice, such as minimizing exposure to electromagnetic fields by avoiding electric razors, microwaving of foods, watches with batteries [18]. Mercola’s reach has been greatly boosted by repeated promotion on the “Dr. Oz Show.”

Dr. Joseph Mercola Ordered to Stop Illegal Claims | Quackwatch

Joseph Mercola, D.O., who practiced for many years in Schaumburg, Illinois, now operates one of the Internet's largest and most trafficked health infor ...

quackwatch.org

Personally, that alone would convince me to avoid his advice.

 

[Crepitus]

Will Vaccinated People Be More Vulnerable to Variants?​

No.

Why is this conspiracy theory in the CDZ?

 

[Grumblenuts]

Post 69, you quoted me asking "can you post what propaganda Dr Mercola pushes that is not true?" Your response did not include the answer to what you quoted of me.

Perhaps the earliest known use of the phrase was by Martin Luther in his book The Babylonian Captivity of the Church (1520), where he is responding to arguments of the Roman Catholic Church and clergy attempting to delegitimize his criticisms, specifically on the correct way to serve the Eucharist. The church claimed Martin Luther is arguing against serving the Eucharist according to one type of serving practice; however, Martin Luther states he never asserted that in his criticisms towards them and in fact they themselves are making this argument. Their persistence in making this false argument causes him to coin the phrase in this statement: "they assert the very things they assail, or they set up a man of straw whom they may attack."

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Your response did not include the answer to what you quoted of me.

And yet still I described some. Do you know his history with pushing bad medicine? You should check. Dangerous man.

 

[badger2]

Why is the Peanut Gallery fixating on Mercola? If y’all were better read in medicine, you’d have no cringing desire to scan the horizon looking for guilt like hitlerian youth. We would also see some coherent scientific discourse on these types of low-rand threads.

 

[EvMetro]

And yet still I described some.

If I had a dollar for every time a lefty claimed to have posted an answer to what he is evading, I'd be rich. There will always be some reason why you won't be able to say what you posted "somewhere".

STILL no answer to what you quoted of me in post 69. Go on now, post your next evasion.

 

[EvMetro]

Why is the Peanut Gallery fixating on Mercola? If y’all were better read in medicine, you’d have no cringing desire to scan the horizon looking for guilt like hitlerian youth. We would also see some coherent scientific discourse on these types of low-rand threads.

I appreciate your dedication to the thread topic. I wish there could be some "scientific discourse" on the thread topic, but the only information that I have been able to dig up so far is political or politically biased. Scientific method requires objective research, observations, and conclusions, but the data available for Delta appears to be as subjective as the data available for covid vaccines.