Will we ever have single payer health care in this country?

[iamwhatiseem]

I think the very next time the dems the presidency and both chambers of Congress we’re headed for single payer healthcare.

/----/ The best Single Payer is: You buy it - You pay for it.

They give simplistic dipshits like yourself little bullet points to parrot because you have the intellectual bandwidth of a bumper sticker.

But there is a reality which is going to crush you submissive dumb fucks under its wheels:


]

/----/ No one gave me any talking points. I'm old enough to remember when a person could buy health insurance like car insurance - you bought it and you paid for it.

And how has that been working out as the cost of health has increased over 800 percent in the past 50 years?

I'll tell you. More and more Americans have been priced out of the market. They can't pay for insurance they can't afford.

And so all the sloganeering in the world will not stand up to the truth of that chart. Americans are getting plowed under by reality, and since the Republican plan this entire time has been to do NOTHING, then it is just a matter of time before a majority cry out for single payer.

It is the apathy of people like you which will ensure that happens.

You idiots should be asking yourselves why the GOP or Trump have not come up with a replacement for Obamacare after NINE YEARS since its enactment.

You've been fucking hoaxed. Massively hoaxed. By Trump, by McConnell, by Boehner, and by Ryan. And you STILL have not woken up to that fact.

So here comes single payer whether you like it or not, and you are as much to blame as any goddam commie Democrat.

And, once again, you don't address valid point of the argument. Once again, you and others leave out the most important aspects and facts to argue over political points than what actually is the causation of, and therefore the answer to, skyrocketing cost of healthcare insurance.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

WHat the left constantly forgets that EVERYONE - and I mean EVERYONE but a few absolute morons does not trust either the congress or the senate. THeir approval ratings are in the abyss.
YET - you want them to be in charge of your healthcare????????

Exactly. Why in hell would we want health care to become a political football?

Not me.
Another thing pretty much EVERYONE does not consider is what is really wrong with our system. And why are the insurance costs so f*cking high?
1) Like everything else, corporatism took over. And with that came no competition laws, and all manner of bad legislation that allowed the insurance companies to basically take over the system. THAT is fixable without employing a single payer system.
2) We eat shit. Americans have the worst eating habits of any industrialized nation. High fat, high sodium, high - HIGH sugar diets that causes all manner of diseases and death. In fact, look it up, nearly 70% of every health care dollar spent in America is related to our poor diets.
You want to lower health care cost... stop eating shit.

Costs are high because of lawsuits. Where the government pays the bills the ability to sue doctors for malpractice is severely limited. Doctors may not even have malpractice insurance. Doctors under socialized medicine are paid very little they can't afford these multimillion dollar policies.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

WHat the left constantly forgets that EVERYONE - and I mean EVERYONE but a few absolute morons does not trust either the congress or the senate. THeir approval ratings are in the abyss.
YET - you want them to be in charge of your healthcare????????

Exactly. Why in hell would we want health care to become a political football?

Not me.
Another thing pretty much EVERYONE does not consider is what is really wrong with our system. And why are the insurance costs so f*cking high?
1) Like everything else, corporatism took over. And with that came no competition laws, and all manner of bad legislation that allowed the insurance companies to basically take over the system. THAT is fixable without employing a single payer system.
2) We eat shit. Americans have the worst eating habits of any industrialized nation. High fat, high sodium, high - HIGH sugar diets that causes all manner of diseases and death. In fact, look it up, nearly 70% of every health care dollar spent in America is related to our poor diets.
You want to lower health care cost... stop eating shit.

Costs are high because of lawsuits. Where the government pays the bills the ability to sue doctors for malpractice is severely limited. Doctors may not even have malpractice insurance. Doctors under socialized medicine are paid very little they can't afford these multimillion dollar policies.

Pennies on the dollar.
Another distraction and white noise to argue about rather than the monumental causation of American healthcare cost and failures.

 

[Markle]

Medicare would actually be STRONGER with a "buy in" whereby younger and healthier folks would sign up

Only if it’s voluntary… Quit trying to force your socialism on other people that want nothing to do with it

I don't know what you're talking about. I'm talking about a Medicare buy in. That's entirely voluntary

The young and healthy would NOT buy Obamacare even though they were being FINED if they did not. Why do you think they will suddenly change their minds?

 

[LittleNipper]

The only thing that is needed is to be able to pay for a visit to the hospital for a catastrophic event. The reality is that most people are paying for healthcare and then not even going to the hospital or even to the doctors year after year... So, what happens to the 7000 plus dollars that many individuals are paying over the course of a year for healthcare they haven't applied! Think about it!

 

[Cellblock2429]

/----/ The best Single Payer is: You buy it - You pay for it.

They give simplistic dipshits like yourself little bullet points to parrot because you have the intellectual bandwidth of a bumper sticker.

But there is a reality which is going to crush you submissive dumb fucks under its wheels:


]

/----/ No one gave me any talking points. I'm old enough to remember when a person could buy health insurance like car insurance - you bought it and you paid for it.

And how has that been working out as the cost of health has increased over 800 percent in the past 50 years?

I'll tell you. More and more Americans have been priced out of the market. They can't pay for insurance they can't afford.

And so all the sloganeering in the world will not stand up to the truth of that chart. Americans are getting plowed under by reality, and since the Republican plan this entire time has been to do NOTHING, then it is just a matter of time before a majority cry out for single payer.

It is the apathy of people like you which will ensure that happens.

You idiots should be asking yourselves why the GOP or Trump have not come up with a replacement for Obamacare after NINE YEARS since its enactment.

You've been fucking hoaxed. Massively hoaxed. By Trump, by McConnell, by Boehner, and by Ryan. And you STILL have not woken up to that fact.

So here comes single payer whether you like it or not, and you are as much to blame as any goddam commie Democrat.

/----/ The truth of Huffington Post's charts? BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

There are plenty of sources which show the cost of health care has been outpacing inflation and GDP for DECADES. Would you like me to bury you with them, you fucking dumbass rube?

/——-/ Tort reform now.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Sugar, sodium and fat content of a whopper meal with a soda.

FAT - 54g.
SODIUM - 1157mg
SUGAR - 4.5 teaspoons.

People eat this shit everyday

 

[g5000]

I think the very next time the dems the presidency and both chambers of Congress we’re headed for single payer healthcare.

/----/ The best Single Payer is: You buy it - You pay for it.

They give simplistic dipshits like yourself little bullet points to parrot because you have the intellectual bandwidth of a bumper sticker.

But there is a reality which is going to crush you submissive dumb fucks under its wheels:


]

/----/ No one gave me any talking points. I'm old enough to remember when a person could buy health insurance like car insurance - you bought it and you paid for it.

And how has that been working out as the cost of health has increased over 800 percent in the past 50 years?

I'll tell you. More and more Americans have been priced out of the market. They can't pay for insurance they can't afford.

And so all the sloganeering in the world will not stand up to the truth of that chart. Americans are getting plowed under by reality, and since the Republican plan this entire time has been to do NOTHING, then it is just a matter of time before a majority cry out for single payer.

It is the apathy of people like you which will ensure that happens.

You idiots should be asking yourselves why the GOP or Trump have not come up with a replacement for Obamacare after NINE YEARS since its enactment.

You've been fucking hoaxed. Massively hoaxed. By Trump, by McConnell, by Boehner, and by Ryan. And you STILL have not woken up to that fact.

So here comes single payer whether you like it or not, and you are as much to blame as any goddam commie Democrat.

And, once again, you don't address valid point of the argument. Once again, you and others leave out the most important aspects and facts to argue over political points than what actually is the causation of, and therefore the answer to, skyrocketing cost of healthcare insurance.

In the end, it does not matter. What matters is the fact the Republicans and Trump have offered NOTHING to solve the problem.

Meanwhile, the Democrats have been telegraphing for decades their intention to enact socialized medicine.

So it does not matter if the rising costs are caused by Martians. When one party's response to a problem is NOTHING, and the other party's plan is SOMETHING, then the American people will inevitably choose SOMETHING over NOTHING.

All caught up now?

 

[Markle]

Many did...and more would have had not Republicans screwed with it by attacking the subsidies and removing the mandate

NOT enough and that was long before the mandate was removed. That's why so many companies were bailing out of the Obamacare groups.

 

[Lesh]

Costs are high because of lawsuits.

You really are drinking the piss

 

[g5000]

Since I have arrived on this forum, I have asked over the years, at least a hundred times, I have asked the pseudocons to show me the Obamacare replacement legislation.

And not once have any of these tards been able to produce it.

Gee, I wonder why that is.

And these idiots have STILL not caught on they've been hoaxed!!!!!

 

[iamwhatiseem]

/----/ The best Single Payer is: You buy it - You pay for it.

They give simplistic dipshits like yourself little bullet points to parrot because you have the intellectual bandwidth of a bumper sticker.

But there is a reality which is going to crush you submissive dumb fucks under its wheels:


]

/----/ No one gave me any talking points. I'm old enough to remember when a person could buy health insurance like car insurance - you bought it and you paid for it.

And how has that been working out as the cost of health has increased over 800 percent in the past 50 years?

I'll tell you. More and more Americans have been priced out of the market. They can't pay for insurance they can't afford.

And so all the sloganeering in the world will not stand up to the truth of that chart. Americans are getting plowed under by reality, and since the Republican plan this entire time has been to do NOTHING, then it is just a matter of time before a majority cry out for single payer.

It is the apathy of people like you which will ensure that happens.

You idiots should be asking yourselves why the GOP or Trump have not come up with a replacement for Obamacare after NINE YEARS since its enactment.

You've been fucking hoaxed. Massively hoaxed. By Trump, by McConnell, by Boehner, and by Ryan. And you STILL have not woken up to that fact.

So here comes single payer whether you like it or not, and you are as much to blame as any goddam commie Democrat.

And, once again, you don't address valid point of the argument. Once again, you and others leave out the most important aspects and facts to argue over political points than what actually is the causation of, and therefore the answer to, skyrocketing cost of healthcare insurance.

In the end, it does not matter. What matters is the fact the Republicans and Trump have offered NOTHING to solve the problem.

Meanwhile, the Democrats have been telegraphing for decades their intention to enact socialized medicine.

So it does not matter if the rising costs are caused by Martians. When one party's response to a problem is NOTHING, and the other party's plan is SOMETHING, then the American people will inevitably choose SOMETHING over NOTHING.

All caught up now?

No.
Don't buy the garbage you are selling.
The gist of your argument - "ignore all the problems, mask them, avoid them, don't address them but come up with something and call it a winner".
No. That is idiocy.

 

[g5000]

They give simplistic dipshits like yourself little bullet points to parrot because you have the intellectual bandwidth of a bumper sticker.

But there is a reality which is going to crush you submissive dumb fucks under its wheels:


]

/----/ No one gave me any talking points. I'm old enough to remember when a person could buy health insurance like car insurance - you bought it and you paid for it.

And how has that been working out as the cost of health has increased over 800 percent in the past 50 years?

I'll tell you. More and more Americans have been priced out of the market. They can't pay for insurance they can't afford.

And so all the sloganeering in the world will not stand up to the truth of that chart. Americans are getting plowed under by reality, and since the Republican plan this entire time has been to do NOTHING, then it is just a matter of time before a majority cry out for single payer.

It is the apathy of people like you which will ensure that happens.

You idiots should be asking yourselves why the GOP or Trump have not come up with a replacement for Obamacare after NINE YEARS since its enactment.

You've been fucking hoaxed. Massively hoaxed. By Trump, by McConnell, by Boehner, and by Ryan. And you STILL have not woken up to that fact.

So here comes single payer whether you like it or not, and you are as much to blame as any goddam commie Democrat.

And, once again, you don't address valid point of the argument. Once again, you and others leave out the most important aspects and facts to argue over political points than what actually is the causation of, and therefore the answer to, skyrocketing cost of healthcare insurance.

In the end, it does not matter. What matters is the fact the Republicans and Trump have offered NOTHING to solve the problem.

Meanwhile, the Democrats have been telegraphing for decades their intention to enact socialized medicine.

So it does not matter if the rising costs are caused by Martians. When one party's response to a problem is NOTHING, and the other party's plan is SOMETHING, then the American people will inevitably choose SOMETHING over NOTHING.

All caught up now?

No.
Don't buy the garbage you are selling.
The gist of your argument - "ignore all the problems, mask them, avoid them, don't address them but come up with something and call it a winner".
No. That is idiocy.

No, the gist of my argument is that when you cucks sit on your thumbs and don't demand a replacement for Obamacare from Trump or the GOP, you are surrendering to the Democrats.

It's as fucking simple as that.

 

[g5000]

Problem: Skyrocketing health care costs.

Republican solution: NOTHING.

Democratic solution: Commiecare.

Gee, I wonder which one will win out...

 

[iamwhatiseem]

And BTW g5000.... the Democrats sat on their asses for decades as well. And went right along with the game that allowed insurance companies to take over the system. And they are wholly bought by the sugar and Big pharma/sugar/Agri lobbyist to ignore the diet issues.
And then...wait for it...they have a SUPER MAJORITY - and they come up with a plan that cost the system even more than before and doesn't address one f*cking problem and let's Big Pharma off with a kiss and provides insurance companies guaranteed revenues.

BUT - BUT - it is the Republicans fault for not replacing said legislation.
That's rich

 

[Lesh]

And BTW g5000.... the Democrats sat on their asses for decades as well. And went right along with the game that allowed insurance companies to take over the system. And they are wholly bought by the sugar and Big pharma/sugar/Agri lobbyist to ignore the diet issues.
And then...wait for it...they have a SUPER MAJORITY - and they come up with a plan that cost the system even more than before and doesn't address one f*cking problem and let's Big Pharma off with a kiss and provides insurance companies guaranteed revenues.

BUT - BUT - it is the Republicans fault for not replacing said legislation.
That's rich

Dems TRIED to deal with it in the 90s...and it got squashed by Republicans. Bush certainly wasn't going to do anything about it and then Obama DID...

So what the fuck were you saying?

 

[Cellblock2429]

/----/ No one gave me any talking points. I'm old enough to remember when a person could buy health insurance like car insurance - you bought it and you paid for it.

And how has that been working out as the cost of health has increased over 800 percent in the past 50 years?

I'll tell you. More and more Americans have been priced out of the market. They can't pay for insurance they can't afford.

And so all the sloganeering in the world will not stand up to the truth of that chart. Americans are getting plowed under by reality, and since the Republican plan this entire time has been to do NOTHING, then it is just a matter of time before a majority cry out for single payer.

It is the apathy of people like you which will ensure that happens.

You idiots should be asking yourselves why the GOP or Trump have not come up with a replacement for Obamacare after NINE YEARS since its enactment.

You've been fucking hoaxed. Massively hoaxed. By Trump, by McConnell, by Boehner, and by Ryan. And you STILL have not woken up to that fact.

So here comes single payer whether you like it or not, and you are as much to blame as any goddam commie Democrat.

And, once again, you don't address valid point of the argument. Once again, you and others leave out the most important aspects and facts to argue over political points than what actually is the causation of, and therefore the answer to, skyrocketing cost of healthcare insurance.

In the end, it does not matter. What matters is the fact the Republicans and Trump have offered NOTHING to solve the problem.

Meanwhile, the Democrats have been telegraphing for decades their intention to enact socialized medicine.

So it does not matter if the rising costs are caused by Martians. When one party's response to a problem is NOTHING, and the other party's plan is SOMETHING, then the American people will inevitably choose SOMETHING over NOTHING.

All caught up now?

No.
Don't buy the garbage you are selling.
The gist of your argument - "ignore all the problems, mask them, avoid them, don't address them but come up with something and call it a winner".
No. That is idiocy.

No, the gist of my argument is that when you cucks sit on your thumbs and don't demand a replacement for Obamacare from Trump or the GOP, you are surrendering to the Democrats.

It's as fucking simple as that.

/——/ The perfect replacement for Obozocare is the free market.

 

[g5000]

And BTW g5000.... the Democrats sat on their asses for decades as well. And went right along with the game that allowed insurance companies to take over the system. And they are wholly bought by the sugar and Big pharma/sugar/Agri lobbyist to ignore the diet issues.
And then...wait for it...they have a SUPER MAJORITY - and they come up with a plan that cost the system even more than before and doesn't address one f*cking problem and let's Big Pharma off with a kiss and provides insurance companies guaranteed revenues.

BUT - BUT - it is the Republicans fault for not replacing said legislation.
That's rich

No, the Democrats did not sit on their asses. They have been advocating for "socialized medicine" the entire time. That was Teddy Kennedy's trademark.

They have been biding their time, waiting for their moment. And that moment is rapidly approaching.

What you dumb rubes have not caught onto, incredibly, is that the Republicans sold us all down the river to the Democrats on health care a long, long, long time ago.

I've been telling you since I got here that all those 60-odd Obamacare repeals they passed while Obama was president were just theater for the rubes. And the tards scoffed.

But, gosh, once the GOP acquired ALL the power, they suddenly stopped passing Obamacare repeals!!!

So you can imagine as I try to figure out just how fucking stupid you dolts must be to STILL not have caught on you have been MASSIVELY hoaxed by now.

Incredible.

 

[g5000]

And how has that been working out as the cost of health has increased over 800 percent in the past 50 years?

I'll tell you. More and more Americans have been priced out of the market. They can't pay for insurance they can't afford.

And so all the sloganeering in the world will not stand up to the truth of that chart. Americans are getting plowed under by reality, and since the Republican plan this entire time has been to do NOTHING, then it is just a matter of time before a majority cry out for single payer.

It is the apathy of people like you which will ensure that happens.

You idiots should be asking yourselves why the GOP or Trump have not come up with a replacement for Obamacare after NINE YEARS since its enactment.

You've been fucking hoaxed. Massively hoaxed. By Trump, by McConnell, by Boehner, and by Ryan. And you STILL have not woken up to that fact.

So here comes single payer whether you like it or not, and you are as much to blame as any goddam commie Democrat.

And, once again, you don't address valid point of the argument. Once again, you and others leave out the most important aspects and facts to argue over political points than what actually is the causation of, and therefore the answer to, skyrocketing cost of healthcare insurance.

In the end, it does not matter. What matters is the fact the Republicans and Trump have offered NOTHING to solve the problem.

Meanwhile, the Democrats have been telegraphing for decades their intention to enact socialized medicine.

So it does not matter if the rising costs are caused by Martians. When one party's response to a problem is NOTHING, and the other party's plan is SOMETHING, then the American people will inevitably choose SOMETHING over NOTHING.

All caught up now?

No.
Don't buy the garbage you are selling.
The gist of your argument - "ignore all the problems, mask them, avoid them, don't address them but come up with something and call it a winner".
No. That is idiocy.

No, the gist of my argument is that when you cucks sit on your thumbs and don't demand a replacement for Obamacare from Trump or the GOP, you are surrendering to the Democrats.

It's as fucking simple as that.

/——/ The perfect replacement for Obozocare is the free market.

Thank you for once again demonstrating all you bumper sticker intellects are capable of is parroting meaningless throwaway slogans.


"Duhhhh...freedoms!"

 

[Cellblock2429]

And, once again, you don't address valid point of the argument. Once again, you and others leave out the most important aspects and facts to argue over political points than what actually is the causation of, and therefore the answer to, skyrocketing cost of healthcare insurance.

In the end, it does not matter. What matters is the fact the Republicans and Trump have offered NOTHING to solve the problem.

Meanwhile, the Democrats have been telegraphing for decades their intention to enact socialized medicine.

So it does not matter if the rising costs are caused by Martians. When one party's response to a problem is NOTHING, and the other party's plan is SOMETHING, then the American people will inevitably choose SOMETHING over NOTHING.

All caught up now?

No.
Don't buy the garbage you are selling.
The gist of your argument - "ignore all the problems, mask them, avoid them, don't address them but come up with something and call it a winner".
No. That is idiocy.

No, the gist of my argument is that when you cucks sit on your thumbs and don't demand a replacement for Obamacare from Trump or the GOP, you are surrendering to the Democrats.

It's as fucking simple as that.

/——/ The perfect replacement for Obozocare is the free market.

Thank you for once again demonstrating all you bumper sticker intellects are capable of is parroting meaningless slogans.

/—-/ You are obviously too young to remember a time when healthcare was controlled by the free market. I do and it was great, affordable and easy to get.