Will we ever have single payer health care in this country?

[Mac1958]

As usual, the zealots on both ends of this issue are behaving similarly, egotistically demanding simplistic purity, directly in the face of reason.

Many countries have already figured out that a strong public foundation keeps overall health care costs down and opens access to all citizens, which is the civilized thing to do.

They have also figured out that allowing for a free market presence allows for more choice, competition and innovation.

We already have this kind of system in place with our current public/private Medicare/Medicare Advantage/Medicare Supplement system.

But our wingers just don't want to give a goddamn inch, as usual, because they're terrified of "losing" to people they hate. Getting some of what they want ain't good enough.

Gawd, I'm still wishing our wingers would find another fucking hobby.
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[Cellblock2429]

As usual, the zealots on both ends of this issue are behaving similarly, egotistically demanding simplistic purity, directly in the face of reason.

Many countries have already figured out that a strong public foundation keeps overall health care costs down and opens access to all citizens, which is the civilized thing to do.

They have also figured out that allowing for a free market presence allows for more choice, competition and innovation.

We already have this kind of system in place with our current public/private Medicare/Medicare Advantage/Medicare Supplement system.

But our wingers just don't want to give a goddamn inch, as usual, because they're terrified of "losing" to people they hate. Getting some of what they want ain't good enough.

Gawd, I'm still wishing our wingers would find another fucking hobby.
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/-----/ But our wingers just don't want to give a goddamn inch, as usual, because they're terrified of "losing" to people they hate."

 

[Mac1958]

As usual, the zealots on both ends of this issue are behaving similarly, egotistically demanding simplistic purity, directly in the face of reason.

Many countries have already figured out that a strong public foundation keeps overall health care costs down and opens access to all citizens, which is the civilized thing to do.

They have also figured out that allowing for a free market presence allows for more choice, competition and innovation.

We already have this kind of system in place with our current public/private Medicare/Medicare Advantage/Medicare Supplement system.

But our wingers just don't want to give a goddamn inch, as usual, because they're terrified of "losing" to people they hate. Getting some of what they want ain't good enough.

Gawd, I'm still wishing our wingers would find another fucking hobby.
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/-----/ But our wingers just don't want to give a goddamn inch, as usual, because they're terrified of "losing" to people they hate."
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That's it? Out of that whole post, that's what you got?
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[Cellblock2429]

As usual, the zealots on both ends of this issue are behaving similarly, egotistically demanding simplistic purity, directly in the face of reason.

Many countries have already figured out that a strong public foundation keeps overall health care costs down and opens access to all citizens, which is the civilized thing to do.

They have also figured out that allowing for a free market presence allows for more choice, competition and innovation.

We already have this kind of system in place with our current public/private Medicare/Medicare Advantage/Medicare Supplement system.

But our wingers just don't want to give a goddamn inch, as usual, because they're terrified of "losing" to people they hate. Getting some of what they want ain't good enough.

Gawd, I'm still wishing our wingers would find another fucking hobby.
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/-----/ But our wingers just don't want to give a goddamn inch, as usual, because they're terrified of "losing" to people they hate."
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Out of that whole post, that's what you got?
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/——/ Yeah, when you throw in Strawman arguments, they dilute your message making the entire post null and void.

 

[Mac1958]

As usual, the zealots on both ends of this issue are behaving similarly, egotistically demanding simplistic purity, directly in the face of reason.

Many countries have already figured out that a strong public foundation keeps overall health care costs down and opens access to all citizens, which is the civilized thing to do.

They have also figured out that allowing for a free market presence allows for more choice, competition and innovation.

We already have this kind of system in place with our current public/private Medicare/Medicare Advantage/Medicare Supplement system.

But our wingers just don't want to give a goddamn inch, as usual, because they're terrified of "losing" to people they hate. Getting some of what they want ain't good enough.

Gawd, I'm still wishing our wingers would find another fucking hobby.
.

/-----/ But our wingers just don't want to give a goddamn inch, as usual, because they're terrified of "losing" to people they hate."
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Out of that whole post, that's what you got?
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/——/ Yeah, when you throw in Strawman arguments, they dilute your message making the entire post null and void.

Good excuse.

You're invited to offer your own plan. But please, in your own words, with some evidence of independent thought. Not talk radio platitudes.

Looking forward to it, thanks.
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[Cellblock2429]

As usual, the zealots on both ends of this issue are behaving similarly, egotistically demanding simplistic purity, directly in the face of reason.

Many countries have already figured out that a strong public foundation keeps overall health care costs down and opens access to all citizens, which is the civilized thing to do.

They have also figured out that allowing for a free market presence allows for more choice, competition and innovation.

We already have this kind of system in place with our current public/private Medicare/Medicare Advantage/Medicare Supplement system.

But our wingers just don't want to give a goddamn inch, as usual, because they're terrified of "losing" to people they hate. Getting some of what they want ain't good enough.

Gawd, I'm still wishing our wingers would find another fucking hobby.
.

/-----/ But our wingers just don't want to give a goddamn inch, as usual, because they're terrified of "losing" to people they hate."
View attachment 243618

Out of that whole post, that's what you got?
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/——/ Yeah, when you throw in Strawman arguments, they dilute your message making the entire post null and void.

Good excuse.

You're invited to offer your own plan. But please, in your own words, with some evidence of independent thought. Not talk radio platitudes.

Looking forward to it, thanks.
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/——/ Free market.

 

[Mac1958]

Free market.

Ah. "Free". So you're big into "freedom".

Me too!

• I'd like to be free from paying significantly higher fees, co-pays and co-insurances because I'm also paying for those who can't or won't cover themselves.
• I'd like to be free from paying more because of people who don't have access to preventive/diagnostic services, allowing their conditions to decay, which costs me more later.
• I'd like to be free from sitting in a packed Emergency Room with a suffering loved one because those with no coverage are using it as their family doctor.
• I'd like to be free from seeing my business owner clients struggle to provide health insurance for their employees because they know they'll lose them to larger competitors if they don't.
• I'd like to be free from seeing under-regulated health insurers change their plans mid-stream, leaving their participants high and dry with medical bills they should not have to worry about.

For being so into "freedom", you sure are willing to be controlled.
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[Cellblock2429]

Free market.

Ah. "Free". So you're big into "freedom".

Me too!

• I'd like to be free from paying significantly higher fees, co-pays and co-insurances because I'm also paying for those who can't or won't cover themselves.
• I'd like to be free from paying more because people who don't have access to preventive/diagnostic services, allowing their conditions to decay, which costs me more later.
• I'd like to be from sitting in a packed Emergency Room with a suffering loved one because those with no coverage are using it as their family doctor.
• I'd like to be free from seeing my business owner clients struggle to provide health insurance for their employees because they know they'll lose them to larger competitors if they don't.
• I'd like to be free from seeing under-regulated health insurers change their plans mid-stream, leaving their participants high and dry with medical bills they should not have to worry about.

For being so into "freedom", you sure are willing to be controlled.
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/——/ No. Free market as in the home, auto and life insurance markets. Not your play on words. Hope that helps.

 

[Rustic]

I think the very next time the dems the presidency and both chambers of Congress we’re headed for single payer healthcare.

/----/ The best Single Payer is: You buy it - You pay for it.

They give simplistic dipshits like yourself little bullet points to parrot because you have the intellectual bandwidth of a bumper sticker.

But there is a reality which is going to crush you submissive dumb fucks under its wheels:


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/----/ No one gave me any talking points. I'm old enough to remember when a person could buy health insurance like car insurance - you bought it and you paid for it.

And how has that been working out as the cost of health has increased over 800 percent in the past 50 years?

I'll tell you. More and more Americans have been priced out of the market. They can't pay for insurance they can't afford.

And so all the sloganeering in the world will not stand up to the truth of that chart. Americans are getting plowed under by reality, and since the Republican plan this entire time has been to do NOTHING, then it is just a matter of time before a majority cry out for single payer.

It is the apathy of people like you which will ensure that happens.

You idiots should be asking yourselves why the GOP or Trump have not come up with a replacement for Obamacare after NINE YEARS since its enactment.

You've been fucking hoaxed. Massively hoaxed. By Trump, by McConnell, by Boehner, and by Ryan. And you STILL have not woken up to that fact.

So here comes single payer whether you like it or not, and you are as much to blame as any goddam commie Democrat.

Millions of Americans want nothing to do with socialist entitlement programs/mandatory health care

 

[Mac1958]

Free market.

Ah. "Free". So you're big into "freedom".

Me too!

• I'd like to be free from paying significantly higher fees, co-pays and co-insurances because I'm also paying for those who can't or won't cover themselves.
• I'd like to be free from paying more because people who don't have access to preventive/diagnostic services, allowing their conditions to decay, which costs me more later.
• I'd like to be from sitting in a packed Emergency Room with a suffering loved one because those with no coverage are using it as their family doctor.
• I'd like to be free from seeing my business owner clients struggle to provide health insurance for their employees because they know they'll lose them to larger competitors if they don't.
• I'd like to be free from seeing under-regulated health insurers change their plans mid-stream, leaving their participants high and dry with medical bills they should not have to worry about.

For being so into "freedom", you sure are willing to be controlled.
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/——/ No. Free market as in the home, auto and life insurance markets. Hope that helps.

Yeah, that's what we've been talking about. Car insurance.

Too funny.
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[Rustic]

I think the very next time the dems the presidency and both chambers of Congress we’re headed for single payer healthcare.

/----/ The best Single Payer is: You buy it - You pay for it.

They give simplistic dipshits like yourself little bullet points to parrot because you have the intellectual bandwidth of a bumper sticker.

But there is a reality which is going to crush you submissive dumb fucks under its wheels:


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/----/ No one gave me any talking points. I'm old enough to remember when a person could buy health insurance like car insurance - you bought it and you paid for it.

And how has that been working out as the cost of health has increased over 800 percent in the past 50 years?

I'll tell you. More and more Americans have been priced out of the market. They can't pay for insurance they can't afford.

And so all the sloganeering in the world will not stand up to the truth of that chart. Americans are getting plowed under by reality, and since the Republican plan this entire time has been to do NOTHING, then it is just a matter of time before a majority cry out for single payer.

It is the apathy of people like you which will ensure that happens.

You idiots should be asking yourselves why the GOP or Trump have not come up with a replacement for Obamacare after NINE YEARS since its enactment.

You've been fucking hoaxed. Massively hoaxed. By Trump, by McConnell, by Boehner, and by Ryan. And you STILL have not woken up to that fact.

So here comes single payer whether you like it or not, and you are as much to blame as any goddam commie Democrat.

And the irony is that if Republicans had not screwed with the ACA it might well have worked pretty damn well. As it is...it works but they have damaged it.

And if they screw with it any more...single payer will end up being the result

Lol
Mandating insurance is fucked up no matter which way you look at it... you fucking retard

 

[Rustic]

No.

Americans aren’t wired for it. The culture is too individualistic and not collective enough.

Whether or not Americans are wired for it is irrelevant. No one wanted Obamacare and the dems pushed that through. Whose to say they wouldn’t do it for the liberal holy grail, regardless of what the people think?!

30M people without healthcare is already "fuck what the people think". And your "Obama"care approach was hatched at The Heritage Foundation; Romney rolled it out in MA.

Yep, and that’s what makes it 100% wrong

 

[Rustic]

Since I have arrived on this forum, I have asked over the years, at least a hundred times, I have asked the pseudocons to show me the Obamacare replacement legislation.

And not once have any of these tards been able to produce it.

Gee, I wonder why that is.

And these idiots have STILL not caught on they've been hoaxed!!!!!

Millions of Americans want nothing to do with socialize medicine

 

[Rustic]

And BTW g5000.... the Democrats sat on their asses for decades as well. And went right along with the game that allowed insurance companies to take over the system. And they are wholly bought by the sugar and Big pharma/sugar/Agri lobbyist to ignore the diet issues.
And then...wait for it...they have a SUPER MAJORITY - and they come up with a plan that cost the system even more than before and doesn't address one f*cking problem and let's Big Pharma off with a kiss and provides insurance companies guaranteed revenues.

BUT - BUT - it is the Republicans fault for not replacing said legislation.
That's rich

Dems TRIED to deal with it in the 90s...and it got squashed by Republicans. Bush certainly wasn't going to do anything about it and then Obama DID...

So what the fuck were you saying?

It’s all on the progressives terms… It benefited no conservatives whatsoever, Obama care was a fucking fraud you fucking retard

 

[Rustic]

And BTW g5000.... the Democrats sat on their asses for decades as well. And went right along with the game that allowed insurance companies to take over the system. And they are wholly bought by the sugar and Big pharma/sugar/Agri lobbyist to ignore the diet issues.
And then...wait for it...they have a SUPER MAJORITY - and they come up with a plan that cost the system even more than before and doesn't address one f*cking problem and let's Big Pharma off with a kiss and provides insurance companies guaranteed revenues.

BUT - BUT - it is the Republicans fault for not replacing said legislation.
That's rich

No, the Democrats did not sit on their asses. They have been advocating for "socialized medicine" the entire time. That was Teddy Kennedy's trademark.

They have been biding their time, waiting for their moment. And that moment is rapidly approaching.

What you dumb rubes have not caught onto, incredibly, is that the Republicans sold us all down the river to the Democrats on health care a long, long, long time ago.

I've been telling you since I got here that all those 60-odd Obamacare repeals they passed while Obama was president were just theater for the rubes. And the tards scoffed.

But, gosh, once the GOP acquired ALL the power, they suddenly stopped passing Obamacare repeals!!!

So you can imagine as I try to figure out just how fucking stupid you dolts must be to STILL not have caught on you have been MASSIVELY hoaxed by now.

Incredible.

Lol
Anything the progressives come up with is going to be a living hell for conservatives just the facts

 

[Rustic]

They'd probably need a filibuster proof majority in the Senate. That's the only reason they got ObamaCare passed and that large of a majority only happens every few generations, but yes, I think ultimately in the future we probably will because the public is ignorant when it comes to basic economics.

Basic economics says single payer will save us money.

At what cost?

Far beyond any reality… There’s not enough money in the country to support any single payer shit

 

[22lcidw]

The Republican solution to skyrocketing health care costs has been NOTHING.

That kind of apathy is exactly why we ended up with the disaster known as "Obamacare".

And the fact Trump and the Republicans have not been able to come with a replacement in the NINE YEARS since Obamacare is why we are going to end up with single payer.

The fucking retard cucks sit there and whine about "soshulysm" with their thumbs up their asses, and drink Trump's piss, never holding him to account.

So here it comes, retards. Single payer. And it is just as much YOUR fault as the commie Democrats.

The way it is done now must be expanded to its max in potential savings before any government sponsored plan is enacted. A lot of the problem is the aging. And I am aging also. A lot of the problem is in areas of poverty. And there is some problems in between. At some point people are going to have medical care limited after some point.

 

[Rustic]

/----/ The best Single Payer is: You buy it - You pay for it.

and if you are a poor child with a treatable disease you can't afford to treat... FUCK YOU JUST DIE YOU LITTLE BASTARD!!!

You need to quit forcing your socialism on other people that want nothing to do with it

 

[Rustic]

CLEARLY! The countries whose health care you lust for, say Canada and Great Britain, they too have supplemental health insurance and private, cash only, physicians.

I'm sure they do, what's your point?

They don't spend as much as we do, but they have longer life expectancy, lower infant mortality rates and they don't have 63% of bankruptcies linked to medical crisis.

Shit happens, mind your own business

 

[Rustic]

No cherry picking, just took a figure that was easy to work with and below my earnings alone without my wife, a PA.

Do you believe that Americans would accept the waiting lists and unavailable treatment in Canada?

We're a very rich nation, we can afford to spend for our superior health care.

Except our health care is shit compared to Canada and other nations...

We have the lowest life expectancy in the industrialized world.
We have the highest infant mortality rate in the industrialized world.
We have 62% of bankruptcies linked to medical crisis.

And, no 'waiting lists' are a myth promoted by the insurance industry...

We are not in this all together mind your own business