Will you vote for Trump even if he is in jail?

[Lisa558]

Yes it was. Cohen's conviction for federal campaign fraud. The evidence was submitted in court and Cohen's conviction is prima facia evidence that - ahhh - Cohen committed a crime. Then the prosecution showed how Trump laundered the reimbursement through his business entity to conceal the payments for Cohen's crimes.

It's all right there in the evidence and transcripts which are publicly available.

Would you like a link?

WW

Nope. We don’t know that that was the underlying crime. The judge said the jury could also find him guilty of state campaign violations, or tax violation.

So the judge threw out three possibilities, and we don’t know which of these crimes the jury said Trump intended to commit, or if some thought he was guilty of one and others thought he was guilty of a different one. The judge made up his own law and said that all 12 did not have to agree.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Nope. We don’t know that that was the underlying crime. The judge said the jury could also find him guilty of state campaign violations, or tax violation.

So the judge threw out three possibilities, and we don’t know which of these crimes the jury said Trump intended to commit, or if some thought he was guilty of one and others thought he was guilty of a different one. The judge made up his own law and said that all 12 did not have to agree.

This seems to be what you are missing. The prosecution doesn't have to prove a conviction of the underlaying crime. They have to prove "intent" for the underlying crime. Not that the attempt was successful.

Two very different things.

WW

 

[Lisa558]

Cohen's conviction for federal campaign fraud. The evidence was submitted in court and Cohen's conviction is prima facia evidence that - ahhh - Cohen committed a crime. Then the prosecution showed how Trump laundered the reimbursement through his business entity to conceal the payments for Cohen's crimes.

But Trump was never charged with federal campaign fraud, because he did not, and the expert witness was not allowed to explain it. The judge determined to get a conviction blocked him.

Yes. The jury unanimously agreed, for all 34 counts Donald J. Trump violated New York State Penal Code Section 175.10.

WW

Nope. They had to unanimously agree on what the “other crime” was. They did not.

Example: You are crossing the street out of the crosswalk. Seven years later, your enemies find a camera showing that, and claim that the misdemeanor you committed can be resurrected because you “intended” to conceal another crime. Maybe you were in a hurry because you just robbed a bank. Or maybe you were in a rush to get away from work, where you just embezzled funds. Or maybe you threatened someone at the department store and were in a hurry to evade the cops.

The prosecution must prove beyond reasonable doubt, and the jury must ALL agree, that you were guilty of one of the above underlying crimes.

P.S. And then you get 34 felony counts because you took 34 steps across the street.

 

[Lisa558]

This seems to be what you are missing. The prosecution doesn't have to prove a conviction of the underlaying crime. They have to prove "intent" for the underlying crime. Not that the attempt was successful.

Two very different things.

WW

And what you are missing is that the jury did not identify which underlying crime he intended to commit, and for which all 12 agreed. The judge knew the prosecution had provided no evidence, and thus threw out a number of possibilities - and the judge told them they didn’t have to agree on which one it was.

 

[WorldWatcher]

And what you are missing is that the jury did not identify which underlying crime he intended to commit,

Again, it wasn't he intended to commit, it's a crime he intended to hide or conceal. Which was Cohen's.

WW

 

[SeaMajor7]

Again, it wasn't he intended to commit, it's a crime he intended to hide or conceal. Which was Cohen's.

WW

What crime?

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

Trumpu akbar!

The Trump and his cult, are as crazy as any Muslim radical.

 

[WorldWatcher]

What crime?

Indentified in the post you responded to.

WW

 

[SeaMajor7]

Indentified in the post you responded to.

WW

Nope

 

[WorldWatcher]

Again, it wasn't he intended to commit, it's a crime he intended to hide or conceal. Which was Cohen's.

WW

What crime?

Indentified in the post you responded to.

WW

Nope

Yep.

WW

 

[SeaMajor7]

Yep.

WW

Fake prosecution.
Stalin blushes.

 

[OldFlame]

Again, it wasn't he intended to commit, it's a crime he intended to hide or conceal. Which was Cohen's.

WW

Why would he want to conceal Cohen's crimes?

 

[konradv]

AKA you know as the American people know what the deal is. PURELY POLITICAL LAWFARE.

Name the speficic Crimes allowed the Felonies.

Line and verse??

Now your LAWFARE has to try delay appeals past the election.

No, it’s justice.

 

[citygator]

 

[BrokeLoser]

Will you vote for Trump even if he is in jail?

Simple question. Well?

TikTok - Make Your Day

 

[eagle1462010]

This seems to be what you are missing. The prosecution doesn't have to prove a conviction of the underlaying crime. They have to prove "intent" for the underlying crime. Not that the attempt was successful.

Two very different things.

WW

Aka just make shit up and call it a felony.

What a FUCKNG JOKE.

 

[Lisa558]

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Stage 3 can be the hardest to get trough, let it out. Just know we are here to help you work through your issues.

WW

Sounds to me like you leftists are in Stage 2.

 

[protectionist]

Yep. He’s certainly entitled to appeal and has a fair chance at success.

But that will all happen after the election.

Until then, he’s a convicted felon.

A "conviction" with as much legitimacy as the 2020 election. ZERO

 

[dudmuck]

Aka just make shit up and call it a felony.

What a FUCKNG JOKE.

the law is section 175.10 of NY penal law
It existed long before this Trump case started.

 

[forkintheroad7]

Will you vote for Trump even if he is in jail?

Simple question. Well?

I regret that I have only one vote to give to my country