With 94 million Americans Out of the Work Force, Why Do We Have 25 Million Foreign Guest Workers?

[rdean]

Simple.

If we flood the country with unemployed dependents....our capitalist government eventually implodes. As the Soviets said....destroy us from within.

Not that liberals sympathize with the Soviets....that's absurd....Soviets were white males. But they DO sympathize with communism.

And that's simply what is happening and Hillary will carry the torch.

Why repeat statistics that are so crazily stupid and have already been debunked. Why are right wingers always such tards. Perhaps they would have more luck sticking to birtherism.

50 million are over 65
17 million over 17
millions more between 16 and 19

This has been reported numerous times, but right wingers endlessly post the same ignorant bullshit hoping it somehow becomes true.

And look at all the tards just going along with it spewing what they imagine are clever bon mots without even caring about what's true. I don't get it.

 

[ClosedCaption]

Some hyperbole, but the public educational system spends too much time indoctrinating and teaching to pass performance tests instead of teaching useful facts and how to think critically.

Explain this indoctrinating. Shouldn't they be able to pass performance tests?

There have been countless posts on this board showing the means of indoctrination.
What is it with liberals and information retention?

You guys use the word indoctrination as a synonym of education.

Here's the straight line logic of why there are so many illegals working. Let's see if you can follow this.

Corporations are HIRING foreign workers. FOR LESS. Now your next question may be "why would a corporation want to pay less?"

If that is your question, find a rope and a strong tree branch.

Trying to brainwash children into accepting gay marriage or politics of any kind is indoctrination.
It has no place in our public education system.

Who is doing that? Not in my school.

He doesn't have a name but he just knows.

Oh and since he thinks everything is liberal. A simple science class becomes "indoctrination". History class becomes "political". Lunches are the fault of the Obamas!! On and on etc etc.

 

[Unkotare]

Some hyperbole, but the public educational system spends too much time indoctrinating and teaching to pass performance tests instead of teaching useful facts and how to think critically.

I was in China a couple of months ago. I spent two weeks in Shanghai, Hong Kong and Singapore talking to mostly investors, but also academics and government officials.

One of the things that struck me was how everyone I asked - literally, everyone - was sending their kids to high school and university in the US, the UK or Canada, but mostly the US.

Now, these were people of means. They could afford it. So it's not a real cross-section of Chinese society. But if they could get them into our education system, they were.

And they all said the same thing - it was because our system teaches kids how to think critically whereas the Chinese and Asian systems focus on rote memorization.

That surprised me since there is all this consternation in the west about our education standards being way behind those in Asia.

And those schools the elites in China send their kids to in the USA are likely the same schools that our own elites send their kids to as well; PRIVATE SCHOOLS.

Not only private schools, and not only "the elites."

 

[Unkotare]

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IT is so weird how the media keeps pushing interracial marriage....

Not "pushing," but reflecting societal changes.

 

[MisterBeale]

Go ahead and hand a second grade class the book, "The Wizard of Oz" and see how many can read it.


Better yet, hand fifth grade class the book, "The Last of the Mohicans" and see how many of them can tackle it.


Both of those books was written for those age groups respectively. Today's kids can't hack those books.

In second grade they are now reading "Cat in the Hat," and "Curious George," and that's just the kids that are keeping up.

Getting fifth graders to read Harry Potter is easy, it's a snap. The vocabulary and sentence structure is sophomoric compared to "The Last of the Mohicans". I doubt the same class could handle such a book in this day and age.

I seriously doubt you have ever even read any of Gatto's work because it is a threat to your very world view.

Where did you get your expertise on reading levels?

The Lexile reading level for Last of the Mohicans is 1350 which is 11th to 12th grade.

The Last of the Mohicans - Lexile® Find a Book | The Lexile® Framework for Reading

Why don't you just stick to whatever you are good at doing and leave education to the professionals?

Naturally "professionals," will claim that, they need to justify their existence, don't they?


"Public schooling hasn't even improved literacy, Gatto demonstrates -- it's considerably eroded it.

By 1840" (more than a decade before the opening of the first tax-funded government schools on the modern model, in Massachusetts) "the incidence of complex literacy in the United States was between 93 and 100 percent. ... In Connecticut only one citizen out of every 579 was illiterate and you probably don't want to know, not really, what people in those days considered literate; it's too embarrassing. Popular novels of the period give a clue: 'Last of the Mohicans,' published in 1818, sold so well a contemporary equivalent would have to move 10 million copies to match it. If you pick up an uncut version you find yourself in a dense thicket of philosophy, history, culture, politics, geography, astute analysis of human motives and actions, all conveyed in data-rich periodic sentences so formidable only a determined and well-educated reader can handle it nowadays. Yet in 1818 we were a small-farm nation without colleges or universities to speak of. Could those simple folk have had more complex minds than our own?

"By 1940 the literacy figure for all states stood at 96 percent for whites. 80 percent for blacks. Notice for all the disadvantages blacks labored under, four of five were still literate. Six decades later, at the end of the 20th century, the National Adult Literacy Survey and the National Assessment of Educational Progress say 40 percent of blacks and 17 percent of whites can't read at all. Put another way, black illiteracy doubled, white illiteracy quadrupled," despite the fact that "we spend three or four times as much real money on schooling as we did 60 years ago."
Could They Really Have Done It On Purpose?, by Vin Suprynowicz

 

[Hutch Starskey]

With 94 million Americans Out of the Work Force, Why Do We Have 25 Million Foreign Guest Workers?


It doesn't add up does it?
Maybe you'll figure out why.

 

[ClosedCaption]

Q: With 94 million Americans Out of the Work Force, Why Do We Have 25 Million Foreign Guest Workers?


A: So that your wages stay low...



Hmmmmm, seems like Americans are asking questions

RIGHT!! And instead of drawing a straight line conclusion the "everything is political" goobers go, well it's because of Liberal ideals and indoctrination and colleges and democrats....

No mention of why the CORPORATION does anything. Just like they like it.

 

[ClosedCaption]

Here it is more simply for you guys.

Foreign workers can't be workers without a job extended to them by an employer.

Understand?

 

[Unkotare]

With 94 million Americans Out of the Work Force, Why Do We Have 25 Million Foreign Guest Workers?


It doesn't add up does it?
Maybe you'll figure out why.

Sure it adds up.

 

[Toro]

Some hyperbole, but the public educational system spends too much time indoctrinating and teaching to pass performance tests instead of teaching useful facts and how to think critically.

I was in China a couple of months ago. I spent two weeks in Shanghai, Hong Kong and Singapore talking to mostly investors, but also academics and government officials.

One of the things that struck me was how everyone I asked - literally, everyone - was sending their kids to high school and university in the US, the UK or Canada, but mostly the US.

Now, these were people of means. They could afford it. So it's not a real cross-section of Chinese society. But if they could get them into our education system, they were.

And they all said the same thing - it was because our system teaches kids how to think critically whereas the Chinese and Asian systems focus on rote memorization.

That surprised me since there is all this consternation in the west about our education standards being way behind those in Asia.

And those schools the elites in China send their kids to in the USA are likely the same schools that our own elites send their kids to as well; PRIVATE SCHOOLS.

The high schools, yes, that's true. They aren't sending their kids to P.S. 72 in the Bronx, or wherever.

But they are sending their kids to publicly funded state schools in the US. And all universities in the UK and Canada are publicly funded.

 

[Indeependent]

So-called "foreign guest workers" is a complicated situation. It involves treaties and obscure corporate and government policies as well as current liberal minded idiocy. Another issue is the fact that the American education system has failed so miserably that they can't find enough U.S. workers to do the technical jobs that "guest workers" are invited to do. It's also possible that they work cheaper but I don't know.

Key phrase..."I don't know".

 

[Indeependent]

So-called "foreign guest workers" is a complicated situation. It involves treaties and obscure corporate and government policies as well as current liberal minded idiocy. Another issue is the fact that the American education system has failed so miserably that they can't find enough U.S. workers to do the technical jobs that "guest workers" are invited to do. It's also possible that they work cheaper but I don't know.

It's not complicated al all...It's called greed.

 

[JimBowie1958]

The high schools, yes, that's true. They aren't sending their kids to P.S. 72 in the Bronx, or wherever.

But they are sending their kids to publicly funded state schools in the US. And all universities in the UK and Canada are publicly funded.

This survey of the top ten universities that have the highest foreign student enrollment are private schools not public universities.

Universities That Attract the Most International Students

Personally I think that foreign students should be banned from publicly funded universities unless ALL American students that have applied to that university have been accepted. We paid for it so our sons and daughters should be at the front of the line in publicly funded schools. New School can do whatever it damned well pleases as a private school, but if Uncle Sucker ispaying for it, Americans should have absolute top priority getting in.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

With 94 million Americans Out of the Work Force, Why Do We Have 25 Million Foreign Guest Workers?


It doesn't add up does it?
Maybe you'll figure out why.

Sure it adds up.

The 94 million Americans figure is bogus in the context he's trying to use. His whole premise is then bunk as there's no correlation. The only real question is why employers are seeking foreign workers.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Here it is more simply for you guys.

Foreign workers can't be workers without a job extended to them by an employer.

Understand?

And here it is simple for you as well; American citizens should have the first shot at any job in this country and the criteria for validating and verifying that enough effort was put in to getting that American worker needs to much higher, require more effort and have a minimum 50% cost above the average for that profession slot in the local area or the nation which ever is higher.

That way we dont have things like 50%+ unemployment among teens in the black community for example.

OUR PEOPLE COME FIRST.

 

[MisterBeale]

Here it is more simply for you guys.

Foreign workers can't be workers without a job extended to them by an employer.

Understand?

And here it is simple for you as well; American citizens should have the first shot at any job in this country and the criteria for validating and verifying that enough effort was put in to getting that American worker needs to much higher, require more effort and have a minimum 50% cost above the average for that profession slot in the local area or the nation which ever is higher.

That way we dont have things like 50%+ unemployment among teens in the black community for example.

OUR PEOPLE COME FIRST.

Hmmmm. .. . I'm not sure about that. I mean, I agree with it in principle, but are you suggesting the government enact a law forcing private companies to do that? Don't we have enough laws already?

That almost smacks of socialism or communism. It's like a controlled economy.

If you were a business owner, would you want to be told who you can hire and who you can't hire? Wouldn't you want to hire the most qualified candidate?

Shouldn't we instead restructure our society so there are more qualified American candidates or restrict the number of foreigners that come in until all qualified Americans have jobs?

The best way to ensure this would be to place hefty fines on companies that hire undocumented workers, and ENFORCE those fines. I'm not aware that this is currently done. The Chamber of Commerce is one of the most powerful and little publicized lobbies in D.C. They prevent meaningful sanctions from being levied against businesses that hire illegals. Occasionally when public sentiment gets rancorous, you will hear about a raid or some such thing happening on a production facility, do they get fined? Is there any incentive for them to cease their hiring practices? If there were, this behavior would cease, but for the most part, small offenders and large go unmolested.

 

[Unkotare]

The high schools, yes, that's true. They aren't sending their kids to P.S. 72 in the Bronx, or wherever.

But they are sending their kids to publicly funded state schools in the US. And all universities in the UK and Canada are publicly funded.

This survey of the top ten universities that have the highest foreign student enrollment are private schools not public universities.

Universities That Attract the Most International Students

Personally I think that foreign students should be banned from publicly funded universities unless ALL American students that have applied to that university have been accepted. We paid for it so our sons and daughters should be at the front of the line in publicly funded schools. New School can do whatever it damned well pleases as a private school, but if Uncle Sucker ispaying for it, Americans should have absolute top priority getting in.

American universities are the best in the world BECAUSE of competition. Stop being a pussy.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Hmmmm. .. . I'm not sure about that. I mean, I agree with it in principle, but are you suggesting the government enact a law forcing private companies to do that? Don't we have enough laws already?...

That almost smacks of socialism or communism. It's like a controlled economy.

There is nothing communist or socialist about putting conditions on companies that exploit our national resources, our tax paid infrastructure to make profits and obligate them to hire Americans first.

If they want to be an American based corporation, then they should act like it. And every other country on the planet does the same kind of thing. IT is only the US that gives absolutely zero protection to its work force, not even enforcing the laws currently on the books.

That needs to end ASAP.

If you were a business owner, would you want to be told who you can hire and who you can't hire? Wouldn't you want to hire the most qualified candidate?

The most qualified American, sure. Not the most qualified Mexican, Eastern European or Chinese guest worker or black market laborer.

Shouldn't we instead restructure our society so there are more qualified American candidates or restrict the number of foreigners that come in until all qualified Americans have jobs?

How can we possibly 'structure' anything when we dont enforce the laws that are currently in place?

The best way to ensure this would be to place hefty fines on companies that hire undocumented workers, and ENFORCE those fines. I'm not aware that this is currently done.

They make showboat busts on the occassional company, but they do nothing to stop the general abuse of these laws. Anyone who has been around construction sites or hardware businesses knows that there is tons of black market labor here. And try to report any of it and see what happens. Nothing happens.

The Chamber of Commerce is one of the most powerful and little publicized lobbies in D.C. They prevent meaningful sanctions from being levied against businesses that hire illegals. Occasionally when public sentiment gets rancorous, you will hear about a raid or some such thing happening on a production facility, do they get fined? Is there any incentive for them to cease their hiring practices? If there were, this behavior would cease, but for the most part, small offenders and large go unmolested.

If we had RICO laws applied to those who hire known repeat immigration violators (which I believe makes it a felony) and those engaged in human trafficking then confiscate their business and its property under RICO, this shit would dry up over night and all the illegal immigration bullshit would dry up over night.

 

[rdean]

Go ahead and hand a second grade class the book, "The Wizard of Oz" and see how many can read it.


Better yet, hand fifth grade class the book, "The Last of the Mohicans" and see how many of them can tackle it.


Both of those books was written for those age groups respectively. Today's kids can't hack those books.

In second grade they are now reading "Cat in the Hat," and "Curious George," and that's just the kids that are keeping up.

Getting fifth graders to read Harry Potter is easy, it's a snap. The vocabulary and sentence structure is sophomoric compared to "The Last of the Mohicans". I doubt the same class could handle such a book in this day and age.

I seriously doubt you have ever even read any of Gatto's work because it is a threat to your very world view.

Where did you get your expertise on reading levels?

The Lexile reading level for Last of the Mohicans is 1350 which is 11th to 12th grade.

The Last of the Mohicans - Lexile® Find a Book | The Lexile® Framework for Reading

Why don't you just stick to whatever you are good at doing and leave education to the professionals?

Naturally "professionals," will claim that, they need to justify their existence, don't they?


"Public schooling hasn't even improved literacy, Gatto demonstrates -- it's considerably eroded it.

By 1840" (more than a decade before the opening of the first tax-funded government schools on the modern model, in Massachusetts) "the incidence of complex literacy in the United States was between 93 and 100 percent. ... In Connecticut only one citizen out of every 579 was illiterate and you probably don't want to know, not really, what people in those days considered literate; it's too embarrassing. Popular novels of the period give a clue: 'Last of the Mohicans,' published in 1818, sold so well a contemporary equivalent would have to move 10 million copies to match it. If you pick up an uncut version you find yourself in a dense thicket of philosophy, history, culture, politics, geography, astute analysis of human motives and actions, all conveyed in data-rich periodic sentences so formidable only a determined and well-educated reader can handle it nowadays. Yet in 1818 we were a small-farm nation without colleges or universities to speak of. Could those simple folk have had more complex minds than our own?

"By 1940 the literacy figure for all states stood at 96 percent for whites. 80 percent for blacks. Notice for all the disadvantages blacks labored under, four of five were still literate. Six decades later, at the end of the 20th century, the National Adult Literacy Survey and the National Assessment of Educational Progress say 40 percent of blacks and 17 percent of whites can't read at all. Put another way, black illiteracy doubled, white illiteracy quadrupled," despite the fact that "we spend three or four times as much real money on schooling as we did 60 years ago."
Could They Really Have Done It On Purpose?, by Vin Suprynowicz

With our schools so awful and terrible, why are Americans leading in science and technology?

A Pew Research Center Poll from July 2009 showed that only around 6percent of U.S. scientists are Republicans; 55 percent are Democrats, 32 percent are independent, and the rest "don't know" their affiliation. This immense imbalance has political consequences.Dec 8, 2010

 

[MisterBeale]

Go ahead and hand a second grade class the book, "The Wizard of Oz" and see how many can read it.


Better yet, hand fifth grade class the book, "The Last of the Mohicans" and see how many of them can tackle it.


Both of those books was written for those age groups respectively. Today's kids can't hack those books.

In second grade they are now reading "Cat in the Hat," and "Curious George," and that's just the kids that are keeping up.

Getting fifth graders to read Harry Potter is easy, it's a snap. The vocabulary and sentence structure is sophomoric compared to "The Last of the Mohicans". I doubt the same class could handle such a book in this day and age.

I seriously doubt you have ever even read any of Gatto's work because it is a threat to your very world view.

Where did you get your expertise on reading levels?

The Lexile reading level for Last of the Mohicans is 1350 which is 11th to 12th grade.

The Last of the Mohicans - Lexile® Find a Book | The Lexile® Framework for Reading

Why don't you just stick to whatever you are good at doing and leave education to the professionals?

Naturally "professionals," will claim that, they need to justify their existence, don't they?


"Public schooling hasn't even improved literacy, Gatto demonstrates -- it's considerably eroded it.

By 1840" (more than a decade before the opening of the first tax-funded government schools on the modern model, in Massachusetts) "the incidence of complex literacy in the United States was between 93 and 100 percent. ... In Connecticut only one citizen out of every 579 was illiterate and you probably don't want to know, not really, what people in those days considered literate; it's too embarrassing. Popular novels of the period give a clue: 'Last of the Mohicans,' published in 1818, sold so well a contemporary equivalent would have to move 10 million copies to match it. If you pick up an uncut version you find yourself in a dense thicket of philosophy, history, culture, politics, geography, astute analysis of human motives and actions, all conveyed in data-rich periodic sentences so formidable only a determined and well-educated reader can handle it nowadays. Yet in 1818 we were a small-farm nation without colleges or universities to speak of. Could those simple folk have had more complex minds than our own?

"By 1940 the literacy figure for all states stood at 96 percent for whites. 80 percent for blacks. Notice for all the disadvantages blacks labored under, four of five were still literate. Six decades later, at the end of the 20th century, the National Adult Literacy Survey and the National Assessment of Educational Progress say 40 percent of blacks and 17 percent of whites can't read at all. Put another way, black illiteracy doubled, white illiteracy quadrupled," despite the fact that "we spend three or four times as much real money on schooling as we did 60 years ago."
Could They Really Have Done It On Purpose?, by Vin Suprynowicz

With our schools so awful and terrible, why are Americans leading in science and technology?

A Pew Research Center Poll from July 2009 showed that only around 6percent of U.S. scientists are Republicans; 55 percent are Democrats, 32 percent are independent, and the rest "don't know" their affiliation. This immense imbalance has political consequences.Dec 8, 2010

Nope.

Leave it to rdeanie to post some of the stupidest shit on USMB.

We are number 39, right after Poland and Chile. Even the terrorists in Turkey, and drug lords in Mexico and Columbia know more math and science than we do.

Math and Science have nothing to do with politics. Unless you pay them. Then the data will tell you whatever you want it to.

These are the 10 smartest countries in the world when it comes to science