Woman suing Obamacare exchange-dies

[Quantum Windbag]

Xerox being at fault here means the government is never wrong? Did you put that 'if, then' all together yourself, or did you have to bring in a team of stupidity builders to assist you?

Like I keep pointing out, the government is happy to hold the people who hire a contractor responsible for any mistakes he makes while under their employment, all I am doing is applying the same standards to them. You, on the other hand, want to pretend the government is not responsible for the mistakes the people it hires makes.

Keep looking stupid though, it suits you.

You want to make this an indictment of government as if government is uniquely culpable for hiring incompetent private businesses. That is absurd.

No, I am holding the government to the same standard it holds us. You, on the other hand want to give it a pass.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Maybe the words of the lawyer actually handling the lawsuit might help:

Callister noted that the lawsuit is not an attack on the Affordable Care Act or the state’s insurance exchange.

“This has nothing to do with the ACA. This is 100 percent about Xerox, who won the bid from the state of Nevada to create this exchange. And they’ve failed. They absolutely failed,” Callister told the Review-Journal.

Lawsuit Filed Against Nevada Health Exchange « CBS Las Vegas

Like I said, you need the governments permission to sue it, and Xerox is an easy target.

 

[OnePercenter]

Seems the Republican Governor was warned of the Xerox problems early on.

Gov. Brian Sandoval?s office was warned of serious flaws in Silver State Exchange before launch - Las Vegas Sun News

Republican ambush?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

The M.f this thread seems to follow a familiar pattern: Call something socialist, even if it's actually capitalism, and then rail against it.

If this thread was to succeed in a policy sense, the gov't might actually be forced to stop doing business with private contractors (capitalist businesses) and start doing the work itself, thereby increasing the size of gov't, which is exactly what conservatives say they don't want.

Could someone who cares please take the time to give these conservatives a lesson in economics.

The MO of Mustang is clear, ignore the facts and call everyone who disagrees with his belief system an idiot, just like all fundamentalists.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Seems the Republican Governor was warned of the Xerox problems early on.

Gov. Brian Sandoval?s office was warned of serious flaws in Silver State Exchange before launch - Las Vegas Sun News

Republican ambush?

Did Obama ambush the federal exchange? Did the governor of Oregon ambush their exchange, which makes the federal exchange look like it was designed by geniuses?

 

[Mustang]

The M.f this thread seems to follow a familiar pattern: Call something socialist, even if it's actually capitalism, and then rail against it.

If this thread was to succeed in a policy sense, the gov't might actually be forced to stop doing business with private contractors (capitalist businesses) and start doing the work itself, thereby increasing the size of gov't, which is exactly what conservatives say they don't want.

Could someone who cares please take the time to give these conservatives a lesson in economics.

The MO of Mustang is clear, ignore the facts and call everyone who disagrees with his belief system an idiot, just like all fundamentalists.

I (and a lot of others) dived right into the facts. They just happen to have been the facts that were either omitted in the first place or ignored. It was exposing those facts that made the whole OP (and the person who posted it) look foolish. That means you too.

 

[Vandalshandle]

I'm pretty sure that one of my mutual funds owns stock in the evil socialist corporation, Xerox, along with a lot of my fellow Americans. I suspect that we must be communist to support this socialist empire of the copy machines.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

The M.f this thread seems to follow a familiar pattern: Call something socialist, even if it's actually capitalism, and then rail against it.

If this thread was to succeed in a policy sense, the gov't might actually be forced to stop doing business with private contractors (capitalist businesses) and start doing the work itself, thereby increasing the size of gov't, which is exactly what conservatives say they don't want.

Could someone who cares please take the time to give these conservatives a lesson in economics.

The MO of Mustang is clear, ignore the facts and call everyone who disagrees with his belief system an idiot, just like all fundamentalists.

I (and a lot of others) dived right into the facts. They just happen to have been the facts that were either omitted in the first place or ignored. It was exposing those facts that made the whole OP (and the person who posted it) look foolish. That means you too.

You dived right into demanding that other people define socialism, and then ignored the post where I did. If you think that is diving into the facts I have a bridge for sale.

 

[LadyGunSlinger]

QW taking on the usual leftist dogpile and kicking ass. < grins > You make it look too easy almost..

 

[auditor0007]

Linda Rolain's enrollment troubles kept her from treatment in January for an aggressive brain tumor, has died.

Woman in class-action lawsuit against Xerox dies | Las Vegas Review-Journal

Rolain’s husband, Robert, said the couple began trying to sign up in November, well ahead of the Dec. 15 deadline for January coverage. After wrestling with repeated sign-up problems, the Rolains bought a plan that took effect in March. But they said Xerox staffers miscommunicated the policy’s effective date, so they didn’t know until May that they had coverage.

Linda Rolain was first diagnosed with a brain tumor in early 2014, after a seizure in late 2013. Robert Rolain said in a June 19 news conference at the downtown Las Vegas offices of Callister, Immerman and Associates that his wife’s care was delayed for months because of their insurance troubles.

Robert Rolain alleges his wife’s tumor went from treatable in winter to fatal in spring as the couple fought for coverage.

Linda Rolain was admitted to hospice care in early June.

This is SOCIALISM.. Take a good look.

Stories like these occur all the time in Canada and the UK. A majority of Canadians claim they are happy with their healthcare system, but that's only because they haven't really needed it. When they do, they find their life is threatened by the healthcare bureaucracy.

I know a number of Canadians who have needed and used the Canadian system and they are very satisfied with it. That doesn't mean there aren't some who are not satisfied with it, but quit throwing out generalizations about things you know absolutely nothing about.

 

[reconmark]

Linda Rolain's enrollment troubles kept her from treatment in January for an aggressive brain tumor, has died.

Woman in class-action lawsuit against Xerox dies | Las Vegas Review-Journal

Rolain&#8217;s husband, Robert, said the couple began trying to sign up in November, well ahead of the Dec. 15 deadline for January coverage. After wrestling with repeated sign-up problems, the Rolains bought a plan that took effect in March. But they said Xerox staffers miscommunicated the policy&#8217;s effective date, so they didn&#8217;t know until May that they had coverage.

Linda Rolain was first diagnosed with a brain tumor in early 2014, after a seizure in late 2013. Robert Rolain said in a June 19 news conference at the downtown Las Vegas offices of Callister, Immerman and Associates that his wife&#8217;s care was delayed for months because of their insurance troubles.

Robert Rolain alleges his wife&#8217;s tumor went from treatable in winter to fatal in spring as the couple fought for coverage.

Linda Rolain was admitted to hospice care in early June.

This is SOCIALISM.. Take a good look.

It may look like socialism to idiots but to folk who are literate and read the article it seems to be ineptness on the part of the company....

Casale blamed the coverage mishap on Xerox&#8217;s &#8220;ineptitude&#8221; and &#8220;inability to get paperwork and to process things through to&#8221; the Rolains&#8217; insurer, Nevada Health CO-OP.

&#8220;She suffered and she died all because of the negligence of a vendor who should not even be in the industry.&#8221;

less than two weeks after her family went public with details about Nevada Health Link insurance exchange enrollment troubles that kept her from treatment in January for an aggressive brain tumor.

No one is going to continue to hold your hand while you misread articles, get your dumb ass in a reading literacy class!!!

 

[NYcarbineer]

I didn't say they stop being capitalists because they do business with the government. I said that anything the government is involved in is not capitalism. Inderstand your confusion though, you actually think we have a fee market.

Nobody except you thinks that capitalism and government cannot co-exist.

Wanna bet on that?

That said, I did not say they can't coexist, I just said that anything the government is involved in is not capitalism. In order to have capitalism, there has to be competition, and no one competes with the government because the government doesn't allow it. If it did the Post office would be dead.

So there's no such thing as competitive bidding for government contracts?

LOLOL, you're in deep enough now. You can stop digging.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Nobody except you thinks that capitalism and government cannot co-exist.

Wanna bet on that?

That said, I did not say they can't coexist, I just said that anything the government is involved in is not capitalism. In order to have capitalism, there has to be competition, and no one competes with the government because the government doesn't allow it. If it did the Post office would be dead.

So there's no such thing as competitive bidding for government contracts?

LOLOL, you're in deep enough now. You can stop digging.

If there were competitive bidding with the government they wouldn't be required, by law, to take the lowest bidder, and the entire process would work the same way bidding for a corporate contract works. Everyone would present to proposal that meets the specific guidelines in the bid, and the board would select the one that best meets the needs and the price. I have actually recommended that a company not take a bid because it was significantly lower than every other bid submitted, and they asked that company to reexamine their math and resubmit a bid.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Wanna bet on that?

That said, I did not say they can't coexist, I just said that anything the government is involved in is not capitalism. In order to have capitalism, there has to be competition, and no one competes with the government because the government doesn't allow it. If it did the Post office would be dead.

So there's no such thing as competitive bidding for government contracts?

LOLOL, you're in deep enough now. You can stop digging.

If there were competitive bidding with the government they wouldn't be required, by law, to take the lowest bidder, and the entire process would work the same way bidding for a corporate contract works. Everyone would present to proposal that meets the specific guidelines in the bid, and the board would select the one that best meets the needs and the price. I have actually recommended that a company not take a bid because it was significantly lower than every other bid submitted, and they asked that company to reexamine their math and resubmit a bid.

Whatever...

btw, most businesses, companies, corporations are themselves governments.

 

[ron4342]

I didn't say they stop being capitalists because they do business with the government. I said that anything the government is involved in is not capitalism. Inderstand your confusion though, you actually think we have a fee market.

Nobody except you thinks that capitalism and government cannot co-exist.

Wanna bet on that?

That said, I did not say they can't coexist, I just said that anything the government is involved in is not capitalism. In order to have capitalism, there has to be competition, and no one competes with the government because the government doesn't allow it. If it did the Post office would be dead.

Hummmmmmm....... ".... no one competes with the government because the government doesn't allow it." Is that so? Ever hear of FedEx or UPS (United Parcel Service)? If I am not mistaken they are in direct competition with the post office. Further, can you cite any law that says that private companies ARE NOT allowed to develop a private or public postal service?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

So there's no such thing as competitive bidding for government contracts?

LOLOL, you're in deep enough now. You can stop digging.

If there were competitive bidding with the government they wouldn't be required, by law, to take the lowest bidder, and the entire process would work the same way bidding for a corporate contract works. Everyone would present to proposal that meets the specific guidelines in the bid, and the board would select the one that best meets the needs and the price. I have actually recommended that a company not take a bid because it was significantly lower than every other bid submitted, and they asked that company to reexamine their math and resubmit a bid.

Whatever...

btw, most businesses, companies, corporations are themselves governments.

Really? Do they collect taxes? Arrest people? Pass laws? Go to war?

Should I go on, or will you admit you said something stupid because you can't refute my argument?

By the way, if Xerox is a government in and of itself, doesn't that prove my point that this was a government fuckup?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Nobody except you thinks that capitalism and government cannot co-exist.

Wanna bet on that?

That said, I did not say they can't coexist, I just said that anything the government is involved in is not capitalism. In order to have capitalism, there has to be competition, and no one competes with the government because the government doesn't allow it. If it did the Post office would be dead.

Hummmmmmm....... ".... no one competes with the government because the government doesn't allow it." Is that so? Ever hear of FedEx or UPS (United Parcel Service)? If I am not mistaken they are in direct competition with the post office. Further, can you cite any law that says that private companies ARE NOT allowed to develop a private or public postal service?

They are not allowed to compete with the post office because it is illegal to put anything in a mailbox that is not delivered by USPS. I thought everyone knew that, but feel free to use Google to educate yourself.

 

[Mustang]

Nobody except you thinks that capitalism and government cannot co-exist.

Wanna bet on that?

That said, I did not say they can't coexist, I just said that anything the government is involved in is not capitalism. In order to have capitalism, there has to be competition, and no one competes with the government because the government doesn't allow it. If it did the Post office would be dead.

Hummmmmmm....... ".... no one competes with the government because the government doesn't allow it." Is that so? Ever hear of FedEx or UPS (United Parcel Service)? If I am not mistaken they are in direct competition with the post office. Further, can you cite any law that says that private companies ARE NOT allowed to develop a private or public postal service?

Let's take these as a good example. Strictly speaking, people that FedEx is in the business of delivering packages (or mail in one of their envelopes). But the truth is this: they're in the business of making a profit. Of course, that's true of every business.

Now, all things being equal, FedEx (and the other delivery services) are not cheap. They certainly don't deliver the equivalent of first class letters for less than 50 cents per letter. It's even lower for other forms of mail which businesses take full advantage of in order to keep their costs low. Below are the rates.

Bulk Mail Rates – Standard Mail Postage

Class of Mail
Size
2013 Cost

1st Class
Letter
$0.450

1st Class Presort
Postcard
$0.229

1st Class Presort
Letter
$0.350

1st Class Presort
Flat
$0.400

Standard Rate
Letter
$0.242

Standard Rate
Flat
$0.353

Non Profit Rate
Letter
$0.130

Non Profit Rate
Flat
$0.214

Some people would have everyone believe that the USPS is full of inefficiencies. I'm sure that there are some inefficiencies. But does anyone really think that private companies could deliver the massive quantities of mail that the USPS does on a nationwide basis for the amount of money that they USPS charges? Keep in mind that any business would have to set up a network of post offices and sorting centers all across the country. The start up cost alone would be tens of billion of dollars for buildings, equipment, vehicles, airplanes, employees, etc.

Could a private business do this? Sure. But not at those rates. Forget about 1st class mail for a minute. Anyway, with email these days, the chances are that most personal 1st class mail is in the form of birthday cards, wedding invitations, and the kind of personal correspondence that doesn't translate well to email.

The BIG impact would be on business. American companies spend a small fortune on mail. It's everything from confirmation letters to solicitation mail where they target large numbers of people in the hope that they can actually generate customers. Imagine what would happen to American business if overnight they found their cost tripling or quadrupling to send out mail related to their business operations. What would happen to a business if it found it's mail costs jump from say $10,000 per month to about $50,000 per month?Think about what would mean to how they would have to price their products and services to the general public?

USPS rates are an example of a gov't giveaway that promotes business in this country in much the same way that farm subsidies promote inexpensive food costs to the general public.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Wanna bet on that?

That said, I did not say they can't coexist, I just said that anything the government is involved in is not capitalism. In order to have capitalism, there has to be competition, and no one competes with the government because the government doesn't allow it. If it did the Post office would be dead.

Hummmmmmm....... ".... no one competes with the government because the government doesn't allow it." Is that so? Ever hear of FedEx or UPS (United Parcel Service)? If I am not mistaken they are in direct competition with the post office. Further, can you cite any law that says that private companies ARE NOT allowed to develop a private or public postal service?

Let's take these as a good example. Strictly speaking, people that FedEx is in the business of delivering packages (or mail in one of their envelopes). But the truth is this: they're in the business of making a profit. Of course, that's true of every business.

Now, all things being equal, FedEx (and the other delivery services) are not cheap. They certainly don't deliver the equivalent of first class letters for less than 50 cents per letter. It's even lower for other forms of mail which businesses take full advantage of in order to keep their costs low. Below are the rates.

Bulk Mail Rates – Standard Mail Postage

Class of Mail
Size
2013 Cost

1st Class
Letter
$0.450

1st Class Presort
Postcard
$0.229

1st Class Presort
Letter
$0.350

1st Class Presort
Flat
$0.400

Standard Rate
Letter
$0.242

Standard Rate
Flat
$0.353

Non Profit Rate
Letter
$0.130

Non Profit Rate
Flat
$0.214

Some people would have everyone believe that the USPS is full of inefficiencies. I'm sure that there are some inefficiencies. But does anyone really think that private companies could deliver the massive quantities of mail that the USPS does on a nationwide basis for the amount of money that they USPS charges? Keep in mind that any business would have to set up a network of post offices and sorting centers all across the country. The start up cost alone would be tens of billion of dollars for buildings, equipment, vehicles, airplanes, employees, etc.

Could a private business do this? Sure. But not at those rates. Forget about 1st class mail for a minute. Anyway, with email these days, the chances are that most personal 1st class mail is in the form of birthday cards, wedding invitations, and the kind of personal correspondence that doesn't translate well to email.

The BIG impact would be on business. American companies spend a small fortune on mail. It's everything from confirmation letters to solicitation mail where they target large numbers of people in the hope that they can actually generate customers. Imagine what would happen to American business if overnight they found their cost tripling or quadrupling to send out mail related to their business operations. What would happen to a business if it found it's mail costs jump from say $10,000 per month to about $50,000 per month?Think about what would mean to how they would have to price their products and services to the general public?

USPS rates are an example of a gov't giveaway that promotes business in this country in much the same way that farm subsidies promote inexpensive food costs to the general public.

We will never know, because it is illegal for them to compete with the post office. That makes everything you posted a waste of time and totally irrelevant to the discussion.

By the way, if the Post Office is so cost efficient why does UPS, FedEx, DHL, and every other package delivery service manage to survive against the efficiency of the Post Office? One would think that "If it fits, it ships" would put them all out of business overnight.

 

[Siete]

so the Government can run a business and be cost effective.