Women's Suffrage -- an immoral movement and an immoral party

[Dorkazoid_Jones]

The upside is, this kind of misogynistic attitude will ensure that he'll never get a chance to breed. He's kind of his own Darwin Award.

So if I'm for equality for men, then I'm a misognyist?? OH MY GAWD NOT A MISOGYNIST?!! EVERYBODY HEAD FOR THE HILLS -- A MISOGYNIST??!!!!

You Dems are hilarious. What do you do -- rotate demonizations like a juke box??? Let me guess next time I'll be a RACIST and then a HOMOPHOBE and after that what comes next -- XENOPHOBE??

Are Dems ever able to admit -- even to themselves -- how bizarre their politics have gotten when someone points out basic demonstrable inequalities and the victim lovers suddenly scatter like cockroaches and can't even address the question??

Of course if I was a transvestite nun from Mars having trouble with MULTIPLE ORGASMS then we'd have to have a fast-tracked-we-can't-let-this-stand commission to look into this HURRICANE OF HORROR!!!!

Why are Dems normalophobes, that's really the question. A normal balance of responsibilities between the sexes is beyond the comprehension of Dems.

If you're the average person and you get mugged, Dems will figure out how it's the oppressive society that has DESTROYED the muggers life, meanwhile the mugged person is still lying in the parking lot getting a ticket because they were not mobil enough to take their car for it's yearly emissions test and are GREENPHOBIC...

I'm not a "Dem". But going by your own handle, you are a "dork".
Doesn't surprise me after that train wreck of an OP that you would spew off to fantasyland though.

You're trying to defend the antimale propaganda movement known as feminism and you're not a Dem? Alrighty then...

 

[Dorkazoid_Jones]

So, what happens when women ask to be allowed to serve in combat positions? I guess that will come when men agree to start having babies. That would seem to be a responsibility that men haven't shouldered, despite being allowed to vote!

Feminist tainted women have protested by the millions for abortion rights. And that's fine. I'm prochoice myself. HOWEVER, that is for something that favors women. When it comes to something that doesn't favor women, like SHARING equal responsibilities with men, then there aren't continual protests with millions of women. There may have been some token protest here or there, but I think you get the point.

If feminism was EVER about equality then feminist tainted women would have protesting for all the RESPONSIBLITIES of men and not just the rights.

As far as having babies, how in the world can you compare the sacrifice on the battlefield to having a baby?? One involves doing something in your direct biological self interest, and one is at the opposite end of the spectrum in that your selflessly putting your life on the line for people you may have never met like in Afghanistan.

Sadly, this is the perfect example of the feminist mind. Minimize male burdens like dying on the battlefield by comparing them to something a woman wants to do anyway. Do you see, I even hate to use the word, how SEXIST your mindset is when it comes to male and female burdens?? I don't think you sounded angry at me or men in particular, but when exaggerate female burdens and minimize male burdens you're well on your way to demonizing a whole group the way the Nazis did.

Godwin meets Limblob. Unreal.
Safe travels back to your home planet. Knuckledraggistan wasn't it?

Because I want equality for men I'm a neanderthal? Now how sexist is that? OH MY GAWD I BETTER GET A GOVERNMENT COMMISSION TO SHOW HOW THIS TRAUMA WILL MAKE MY KIDS HAVE BIRTH DEFECTS!!!

 

[Unkotare]

What a strange thread.

 

[Dorkazoid_Jones]

What a strange thread.

Discussions about equality are strange? I see...

 

[Pogo]

So if I'm for equality for men, then I'm a misognyist?? OH MY GAWD NOT A MISOGYNIST?!! EVERYBODY HEAD FOR THE HILLS -- A MISOGYNIST??!!!!

You Dems are hilarious. What do you do -- rotate demonizations like a juke box??? Let me guess next time I'll be a RACIST and then a HOMOPHOBE and after that what comes next -- XENOPHOBE??

Are Dems ever able to admit -- even to themselves -- how bizarre their politics have gotten when someone points out basic demonstrable inequalities and the victim lovers suddenly scatter like cockroaches and can't even address the question??

Of course if I was a transvestite nun from Mars having trouble with MULTIPLE ORGASMS then we'd have to have a fast-tracked-we-can't-let-this-stand commission to look into this HURRICANE OF HORROR!!!!

Why are Dems normalophobes, that's really the question. A normal balance of responsibilities between the sexes is beyond the comprehension of Dems.

If you're the average person and you get mugged, Dems will figure out how it's the oppressive society that has DESTROYED the muggers life, meanwhile the mugged person is still lying in the parking lot getting a ticket because they were not mobil enough to take their car for it's yearly emissions test and are GREENPHOBIC...

I'm not a "Dem". But going by your own handle, you are a "dork".
Doesn't surprise me after that train wreck of an OP that you would spew off to fantasyland though.

You're trying to defend the antimale propaganda movement known as feminism and you're not a Dem? Alrighty then...

Nope, I'm what we call a "human". We're a little further ahead in our species; we respect and value women. That must seem weird to yours.

Here's how you'd go down on our planet:

 

[Dorkazoid_Jones]

I'm not a "Dem". But going by your own handle, you are a "dork".
Doesn't surprise me after that train wreck of an OP that you would spew off to fantasyland though.

You're trying to defend the antimale propaganda movement known as feminism and you're not a Dem? Alrighty then...

Nope, I'm what we call a "human". We're a little further ahead in our species; we respect and value women. That must seem weird to yours.

Here's how you'd go down on our planet:

So because I want equality for men, I don't respect women?? Thanks for proving my point. Anyone who dares to question feminism is subhuman. God what a precious PC dope...

 

[Pheonixops]

Funny how so many liberals here are always shrieking about sexism/racism/xenophobe yadayada. Then when someone points out that liberals are the source of bigotry -- in this case sexism -- suddenly there's a deafening silence...

Maybe people are too busy laughing at or trying to figure out your "reasoning". Are you stating that the women's suffrage movement was based on bigotry? Are you stating that if women didn't get the vote, we wouldn't be in the state we are in today? Liberals fought and continue to fight for FREEDOM and CIVIL LIBERTIES, while fighting AGAINST institutionalized bigotry.

 

[TheOldSchool]

My girlfriend beat me up yesterday. I had to tell people at work all day that I walked into a door. So embarrassing. Typical feminazi behavior. Us men need to unite and stand up for our rights!

 

[Dorkazoid_Jones]

I'm not a "Dem". But going by your own handle, you are a "dork".
Doesn't surprise me after that train wreck of an OP that you would spew off to fantasyland though.

You're trying to defend the antimale propaganda movement known as feminism and you're not a Dem? Alrighty then...

Nope, I'm what we call a "human". We're a little further ahead in our species; we respect and value women. That must seem weird to yours.

Here's how you'd go down on our planet:

Oh and I can hardly wait for the liberal Jukebox of demonization to begin. Let's see I was basically sexist. So now what's next I'm a racist and then a homophobe or do you go with Xenophobe after that???

 

[Pheonixops]

As a man I feel that I am being completely discriminated against by society. I know several men that have been raped by members of the protected "women" class. I for one am sick and tired of the egregious witchhunting campaign that women have been forcing on men throughout history.

I'm surprised you even had time to answer what with you being a man and all the time you have to devote to oppressing women according to Dems. Didn't you get the memo from patriarchy HQ about the war on women??

Hey, without women who would the GOP blame all their failures on???

August 8, 2008
RUSH: Now we're told the night Hillary speaks is the anniversary of women getting the vote, which is what started the welfare state that now strangles us, by the way. If women had never gotten the vote we wouldn't have a budget deficit, but that's another story.

"The Blacks" and "the Hispanics" who voted Democrat.

 

[Pogo]

I'm surprised you even had time to answer what with you being a man and all the time you have to devote to oppressing women according to Dems. Didn't you get the memo from patriarchy HQ about the war on women??

Hey, without women who would the GOP blame all their failures on???

August 8, 2008
RUSH: Now we're told the night Hillary speaks is the anniversary of women getting the vote, which is what started the welfare state that now strangles us, by the way. If women had never gotten the vote we wouldn't have a budget deficit, but that's another story.

"The Blacks" and "the Hispanics" who voted Democrat.

-- And "The Gay".

 

[Pheonixops]

Hey, without women who would the GOP blame all their failures on???

August 8, 2008
RUSH: Now we're told the night Hillary speaks is the anniversary of women getting the vote, which is what started the welfare state that now strangles us, by the way. If women had never gotten the vote we wouldn't have a budget deficit, but that's another story.

"The Blacks" and "the Hispanics" who voted Democrat.

-- And "The Gay".

Yep, as well as "the Asians" and "the Jews".

 

[Dorkazoid_Jones]

Funny how so many liberals here are always shrieking about sexism/racism/xenophobe yadayada. Then when someone points out that liberals are the source of bigotry -- in this case sexism -- suddenly there's a deafening silence...

Maybe people are too busy laughing at or trying to figure out your "reasoning". Are you stating that the women's suffrage movement was based on bigotry? Are you stating that if women didn't get the vote, we wouldn't be in the state we are in today? Liberals fought and continue to fight for FREEDOM and CIVIL LIBERTIES, while fighting AGAINST institutionalized bigotry.

A liberal on one of these threads was pointing at the suffrage movement as some great truimph toward equality of the genders. Yet it was not a move toward equality. It gave women the right to vote without the accompanying military responsibility's and burdens that men had. That's not an equality movement, that's a movement in which the fairer sex cherry pick things they find desirable and sticks to traditional roles when it serves women's interests.

So the movement started out blatantly NOT about equality and even to this day women can vote without registering for selective service. And to say liberals fight for civil liberties is false when it comes to feminism. The rape shield law, which feminists advocated for, allows a woman to accuse a man of rape without having to give her name. So his name gets dragged around when nothing has been proven. Therefore, the man is guilty until proven guilty. I thought people were innocent in this country until PROVEN guilty?? Therefore, your claim that liberals fight for civil liberties is demonstrably false...

 

[Pogo]

"The Blacks" and "the Hispanics" who voted Democrat.

-- And "The Gay".

Yep, as well as "the Asians" and "the Jews".

-- or as they're all known collectively for short, "the 47%" or "those who do no work and pay no taxes, sponging off the rest of us".

Hey, where have I heard that before...?

 

[Pheonixops]

Funny how so many liberals here are always shrieking about sexism/racism/xenophobe yadayada. Then when someone points out that liberals are the source of bigotry -- in this case sexism -- suddenly there's a deafening silence...

Maybe people are too busy laughing at or trying to figure out your "reasoning". Are you stating that the women's suffrage movement was based on bigotry? Are you stating that if women didn't get the vote, we wouldn't be in the state we are in today? Liberals fought and continue to fight for FREEDOM and CIVIL LIBERTIES, while fighting AGAINST institutionalized bigotry.

A liberal on one of these threads was pointing at the suffrage movement as some great truimph toward equality of the genders. Yet it was not a move toward equality. It gave women the right to vote without the accompanying military responsibility's and burdens that men had. That's not an equality movement, that's a movement in which the fairer sex cherry pick things they find desirable and sticks to traditional roles when it serves women's interests.

So the movement started out blatantly NOT about equality and even to this day women can vote without registering for selective service. And to say liberals fight for civil liberties is false when it comes to feminism. The rape shield law, which feminists advocated for, allows a woman to accuse a man of rape without having to give her name. So his name gets dragged around when nothing has been proven. Therefore, the man is guilty until proven guilty. I thought people were innocent in this country until PROVEN guilty?? Therefore, your claim that liberals fight for civil liberties is demonstrably false...

Women serve in the military, there are plenty of men who haven't fulfilled their "military responsibilities and burderns" (see limbaugh and nugent), they certainly "cherry picked" whether to serve or not.

My claim is not false, it's true. Liberals fought against the tyranny of the British and formed this country. Liberals fought against slavery, Liberals fought for women's suffrage, Liberal fought for the Civil Rights Movement and Liberals continue to fight for Freedom and Civil Liberties today.

 

[Dorkazoid_Jones]

My girlfriend beat me up yesterday. I had to tell people at work all day that I walked into a door. So embarrassing. Typical feminazi behavior. Us men need to unite and stand up for our rights!

Dude, try a new joke. The attempt at mockery by pretending that men suffer from women's issues is a dead end. In fact, it's just the opposite. Men have different issues that feminism, the supposed equality movement, never addresses.

So spare me with your cringing PC look at the world. I'm sorry that you believe feminist statistics like, "The number of women who died in the U.S. at the hands of male domestic abusers exceeded the numbers of U.S. male soliders who died on the battlefield."

You believe stuff like this?? God what a dope...

 

[hoosier88]

I noticed somebody claimed liberals were behind women's suffrage. I wouldn't claim credit for this movement. It basically amounted to women getting the rights of men without the responsibiliites. Specifically, women got the right to vote without the responsibility to serve in combat or even be drafted which continued to be male only burdens. What is embarassing about the movement, is that at the very time men were dying in WWI by the thousands, the supposed equality movement claimed victory with women's right to vote. We see echoes of the suffrage's virulent anti-man rhetoric for the past 100 years.

During the Vietnam War, AGAIN a period of extreme male burdens, people like Betty Friedan were talking about how women needed equality. Really? So you have a family where the 21 year old brother goes to Nam and comes back in a box, and his 20 year old sister is screaming about how men have all the power. Apparently the unintended irony of her statement never dawns on her feminist tainted brain.

Then after the war, feminists were screaming about how there should have been a Vietnam Memorial for women. 50,000 plus men died in Vietnam and 8 women. So rather than admit the massive sexism against men thru these casualty numbers, feminists focused on the victimhood of 8 women and supporting women...

In short, feminism , the offspring of suffrage, continues to exaggerate women's burdens and understate men's. Phony statistics like the glass ceiling and rape statistics continue to demonize men to this day. The kicker is the movement does this all the while, claiming self righteously to be about equality. The Democratic Party has embraced this ever expanding inequality against men and then pretended they were the champion of the average person. That is why whoever the liberal was on one of these threads who touted the suffrage movement as some great liberal victory, may want to think again. Or simply chalk it up to the sacrifices being a bunch of dead males and specifically dead white males so who cares...

(My bold)

See Wikipedia - Women's suffrage in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. I think that women in the US mostly had to fight for their own enfranchisement. There were some supporters here & there, but from 1848 to 1920, it was marches, protests, mass meetings, PR, arrests, hunger strikes, force feedings & on & on. Women's participation in politics was supposed to humanize politics - to get more emphasis on family issues, education, community, morals.

 

[Dorkazoid_Jones]

Maybe people are too busy laughing at or trying to figure out your "reasoning". Are you stating that the women's suffrage movement was based on bigotry? Are you stating that if women didn't get the vote, we wouldn't be in the state we are in today? Liberals fought and continue to fight for FREEDOM and CIVIL LIBERTIES, while fighting AGAINST institutionalized bigotry.

A liberal on one of these threads was pointing at the suffrage movement as some great truimph toward equality of the genders. Yet it was not a move toward equality. It gave women the right to vote without the accompanying military responsibility's and burdens that men had. That's not an equality movement, that's a movement in which the fairer sex cherry pick things they find desirable and sticks to traditional roles when it serves women's interests.

So the movement started out blatantly NOT about equality and even to this day women can vote without registering for selective service. And to say liberals fight for civil liberties is false when it comes to feminism. The rape shield law, which feminists advocated for, allows a woman to accuse a man of rape without having to give her name. So his name gets dragged around when nothing has been proven. Therefore, the man is guilty until proven guilty. I thought people were innocent in this country until PROVEN guilty?? Therefore, your claim that liberals fight for civil liberties is demonstrably false...

Women serve in the military, there are plenty of men who haven't fulfilled their "military responsibilities and burderns" (see limbaugh and nugent), they certainly "cherry picked" whether to serve or not.

My claim is not false, it's true. Liberals fought against the tyranny of the British and formed this country. Liberals fought against slavery, Liberals fought for women's suffrage, Liberal fought for the Civil Rights Movement and Liberals continue to fight for Freedom and Civil Liberties today.

Women don't serve in combat and they don't have to register with selective service. Where are all the equality freaks among the feminists who should be OUTRAGED by this lack of equality??

As far as not all men serving, not all women have been raped, but feminists like to say its everyone's problem. Fair enough. Then a male only draft and male only combat is everyone's problem whether every man served or not.

Again as far as liberals fighting for the suffrage movement, it was not an equality movement, so are you bragging about liberals reinforcing inequality???

 

[Dorkazoid_Jones]

I noticed somebody claimed liberals were behind women's suffrage. I wouldn't claim credit for this movement. It basically amounted to women getting the rights of men without the responsibiliites. Specifically, women got the right to vote without the responsibility to serve in combat or even be drafted which continued to be male only burdens. What is embarassing about the movement, is that at the very time men were dying in WWI by the thousands, the supposed equality movement claimed victory with women's right to vote. We see echoes of the suffrage's virulent anti-man rhetoric for the past 100 years.

During the Vietnam War, AGAIN a period of extreme male burdens, people like Betty Friedan were talking about how women needed equality. Really? So you have a family where the 21 year old brother goes to Nam and comes back in a box, and his 20 year old sister is screaming about how men have all the power. Apparently the unintended irony of her statement never dawns on her feminist tainted brain.

Then after the war, feminists were screaming about how there should have been a Vietnam Memorial for women. 50,000 plus men died in Vietnam and 8 women. So rather than admit the massive sexism against men thru these casualty numbers, feminists focused on the victimhood of 8 women and supporting women...

In short, feminism , the offspring of suffrage, continues to exaggerate women's burdens and understate men's. Phony statistics like the glass ceiling and rape statistics continue to demonize men to this day. The kicker is the movement does this all the while, claiming self righteously to be about equality. The Democratic Party has embraced this ever expanding inequality against men and then pretended they were the champion of the average person. That is why whoever the liberal was on one of these threads who touted the suffrage movement as some great liberal victory, may want to think again. Or simply chalk it up to the sacrifices being a bunch of dead males and specifically dead white males so who cares...

(My bold)

See Wikipedia - Women's suffrage in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. I think that women in the US mostly had to fight for their own enfranchisement. There were some supporters here & there, but from 1848 to 1920, it was marches, protests, mass meetings, PR, arrests, hunger strikes, force feedings & on & on. Women's participation in politics was supposed to humanize politics - to get more emphasis on family issues, education, community, morals.

Ok that's fine. I think it's' in all our self interest whether man or woman for women to vote. My point is that, unfortunately, the women's movement was very flawed from the start and still 100 years later is fighting more for inequality because it continues to have double and triple standards for women and is very antiman. Feminism is the last movement any liberal should point to and be proud of. Civil Rights has gone off the deep end, but at least it's a lot easier to show that black people were victims and deserved serious reparations and changes of the law. Women, on the other hand, were most often NOT second class citizens as they usually were married to some guy who theoretically provided, protected and loved them. Now watch, some feminist will say 7 out of 4 Colonial wives were beaten every five minutes by male ruffians who didn't even keep the toilet seat down...

 

[Pheonixops]

A liberal on one of these threads was pointing at the suffrage movement as some great truimph toward equality of the genders. Yet it was not a move toward equality. It gave women the right to vote without the accompanying military responsibility's and burdens that men had. That's not an equality movement, that's a movement in which the fairer sex cherry pick things they find desirable and sticks to traditional roles when it serves women's interests.

So the movement started out blatantly NOT about equality and even to this day women can vote without registering for selective service. And to say liberals fight for civil liberties is false when it comes to feminism. The rape shield law, which feminists advocated for, allows a woman to accuse a man of rape without having to give her name. So his name gets dragged around when nothing has been proven. Therefore, the man is guilty until proven guilty. I thought people were innocent in this country until PROVEN guilty?? Therefore, your claim that liberals fight for civil liberties is demonstrably false...

Women serve in the military, there are plenty of men who haven't fulfilled their "military responsibilities and burderns" (see limbaugh and nugent), they certainly "cherry picked" whether to serve or not.

My claim is not false, it's true. Liberals fought against the tyranny of the British and formed this country. Liberals fought against slavery, Liberals fought for women's suffrage, Liberal fought for the Civil Rights Movement and Liberals continue to fight for Freedom and Civil Liberties today.

Women don't serve in combat and they don't have to register with selective service. Where are all the equality freaks among the feminists who should be OUTRAGED by this lack of equality??

As far as not all men serving, not all women have been raped, but feminists like to say its everyone's problem. Fair enough. Then a male only draft and male only combat is everyone's problem whether every man served or not.

Again as far as liberals fighting for the suffrage movement, it was not an equality movement, so are you bragging about liberals reinforcing inequality???

More than 800 women have been wounded in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and more than 150 have been killed. You are really not making any real sense. Who established the rules that women shouldn't serve in combat roles?