Woohoo!! GA Gov. vetoes religious liberty bill; Muslims must bake Mohammed cake; Gays must cater too

[WildBillKelsoe]

You must be enraged that the government have in to the wishes of multimillion dollar corporations over the will of the people.

Corporations are more than willing to leave people alone. This is social engineering.

More like the mutilation of society

How is society 'mutilated'? Or harmed in anyway?

A gay couple gets a cake....and then what? What is taken from you?

Its just cake.

I didn't mention a cake, dumbass

Okay. How is society 'mutilated'? Or harmed in anyway?

What is taken from you?

Can I take it from you desperate avoidance of *any* question I asked that you can't think of any way you are harmed either?

How is society mutilated, or harmed because the baker refused to make the cake?

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Corporations are more than willing to leave people alone. This is social engineering.

More like the mutilation of society

How is society 'mutilated'? Or harmed in anyway?

A gay couple gets a cake....and then what? What is taken from you?

Its just cake.

I didn't mention a cake, dumbass

Okay. How is society 'mutilated'? Or harmed in anyway?

What is taken from you?

Can I take it from you desperate avoidance of *any* question I asked that you can't think of any way you are harmed either?

How is society mutilated, or harmed because the baker refused to make the cake?

Two dykes "suffered" emotional damage...pfffft

 

[Skylar]

Corporations are more than willing to leave people alone. This is social engineering.

More like the mutilation of society

How is society 'mutilated'? Or harmed in anyway?

A gay couple gets a cake....and then what? What is taken from you?

Its just cake.

I didn't mention a cake, dumbass

Okay. How is society 'mutilated'? Or harmed in anyway?

What is taken from you?

Can I take it from you desperate avoidance of *any* question I asked that you can't think of any way you are harmed either?

How is society mutilated, or harmed because the baker refused to make the cake?

Ask the Oregon Bureau of Labor and Industries that awarded the complainant $135,000 for violation of her civil rights under the Oregon Equality Act.

 

[JakeStarkey]

What does the law say? :The news this morning said that no one could refuse to attend a gay wedding.

When do you start drinking, Tipsy? No one on the news said any such thing.

It was on my radio news report. Where are you that there is only one nationwide news report. Can people refuse to attend on religious grounds or not?

Of course I don't have to go to any wedding I don't want to. Please document where you heard this

 

[Slyhunter]

Georgia governor to veto LGBT bill - CNN.com

Woohoo!!! Freedom won....err....didn't win. Fuck it...something won.

GA Governor vetoes the Religious Liberty bill which would've granted businesses the right to NOT do things that violate their religious beliefs. Ya I know....bigots.

SO....liberals....lets celebrate:

Muslim bakeries in Atlanta?? Yes. They will have to bake me a Mohammed cake now. With his pet pig too.
Gay bakeries in Savnnah....will have to cater my AIDS Appreciation Festival. Right??
Or...the local gay protestant church...will have to rent their banquet hall to me for my rainbow flag shredding competiton....complete with a contest to see who can toss a gay mannequin the farthest off the building!
If a mosque rents out its banquet hall....I'll be renting it for my 1st annual Mohammed Costume & Best Bacon and BBQ contest. And they'll have no choice but allow it.

Right libs? Is that how this thing works???

No. Surely this shit wouldn't force a private group to allow such disgraceful and insulting offenses against a person's beliefs. RIGHT??

post a pic of your Muslim made Mohammed cake.

 

[JakeStarkey]

He didn't have a lot of choice, economically, did he?

You see, a LOT of the people in this country think Christians have the right to live as they wish, but not to tell others how to live and to pass judgment on them. That's the line.

You must be enraged that the government have in to the wishes of multimillion dollar corporations over the will of the people.

Corporations are more than willing to leave people alone. This is social engineering.

Allowing non propoerty holders to vote is social engineering, and no one says anything. Allowing minorities and women to vote is social engineering, and no one says anything. Integrating the military is social engineering. Corporations have every right to tell the legislature they will move their business elsewhere, and, no, this is not social engineering.

 

[WildBillKelsoe]

He didn't have a lot of choice, economically, did he?

You see, a LOT of the people in this country think Christians have the right to live as they wish, but not to tell others how to live and to pass judgment on them. That's the line.

You must be enraged that the government have in to the wishes of multimillion dollar corporations over the will of the people.

Corporations are more than willing to leave people alone. This is social engineering.

Allowing non propoerty holders to vote is social engineering, and no one says anything. Allowing minorities and women to vote is social engineering, and no one says anything. Integrating the military is social engineering. Corporations have every right to tell the legislature they will move their business elsewhere, and, no, this is not social engineering.

You must love Citizens United.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Citizens Engineering is social engineering gone terribly wrong.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

That's right. They have to treat the customers the same. And they can't be forced to bake a homo cake for heteros either.

There's no such thing as 'homo cake'. Cake doesn't have a sexual orientation...as it doesn't have sex. Its inanimate.

There's just cake.

Yes there is. That is the entire argument. It's never been about baking a cake. It's about endorsing the behavior using the cake to do so.

Its cake. They're getting married and want a wedding cake....so they go to a place that makes and sells wedding cakes.

That's about it.

No, that's not it. They want them to make a cake that stipulates and illustrates and ultimately endorses something that conflicts with their religion, freedom of religion and religious expression. This is pure homofascism.

If they don't want to make cakes, nobody is forcing them to be in that business. As long as they are in that business, they need to bake the damn cake and quit whining.

They don't have to forsake their faith for anything that confronts no one. Muslims and othet religiously directed people are allowed to wear their headgear in court even though everyone else must remove their hats.

 

[BULLDOG]

There's no such thing as 'homo cake'. Cake doesn't have a sexual orientation...as it doesn't have sex. Its inanimate.

There's just cake.

Yes there is. That is the entire argument. It's never been about baking a cake. It's about endorsing the behavior using the cake to do so.

Its cake. They're getting married and want a wedding cake....so they go to a place that makes and sells wedding cakes.

That's about it.

No, that's not it. They want them to make a cake that stipulates and illustrates and ultimately endorses something that conflicts with their religion, freedom of religion and religious expression. This is pure homofascism.

If they don't want to make cakes, nobody is forcing them to be in that business. As long as they are in that business, they need to bake the damn cake and quit whining.

They don't have to forsake their faith for anything that confronts no one. Muslims and othet religiously directed people are allowed to wear their headgear in court even though everyone else must remove their hats.

Religious headgear is protected. Quit whining and bake the damn cake.
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[Votto]

What are the limits of offense a religious group must tolerate now?

That is the beauty of it there is not limits on government now. If the government tells them to jump, they ask how high.

Soon the government will charge them with hate crimes for suggesting that homosexual behavior is an abomination to God. From here on out it is just one Prog party after another.

 

[JakeStarkey]

There's no such thing as 'homo cake'. Cake doesn't have a sexual orientation...as it doesn't have sex. Its inanimate.

There's just cake.

Yes there is. That is the entire argument. It's never been about baking a cake. It's about endorsing the behavior using the cake to do so.

Its cake. They're getting married and want a wedding cake....so they go to a place that makes and sells wedding cakes.

That's about it.

No, that's not it. They want them to make a cake that stipulates and illustrates and ultimately endorses something that conflicts with their religion, freedom of religion and religious expression. This is pure homofascism.

If they don't want to make cakes, nobody is forcing them to be in that business. As long as they are in that business, they need to bake the damn cake and quit whining.

They don't have to forsake their faith for anything that confronts no one. Muslims and othet religiously directed people are allowed to wear their headgear in court even though everyone else must remove their hats.

There is no compelling interest to make them remove their head gear.

 

[aris2chat]

How about just saying their calendar is full on that day?

Make the cake but don't stay for the wedding.

If people are so phobic, find a polite way to excuse themselves instead of opening themselves to law suits? You openly make this about gay wedding, they you deserve to be sued, and loose.

Offer to call around and having someone else make the cake for them.

Unless they are asking fr pornographic images on the cake, there is no reason for no making the cake.
Turn it into a issue of hate against them and they hit you with legal action.

There are dozens of ways to ruin a wedding legally.

The reason for not making the cake is that the baker does not want to commit a very personal sin.

You don't condone by baking a cake. Flour, eggs, sugar decorated.

Caterers rare are the ones to bake the cake any more. If a large cake, the baker might have to deliver it and or assemble it. They don't have to stay.

Apart from some palestinians or terrorist, I don't understand such intolerance or hate. Even in a country where gays could be killed, I knew of two teachers and a few students who were gay. Other students chose to ignore or didn't care. They are just people.

I knew there were moral objections, but as individuals, they were never treated badly by the others.

A hindu marriage, a muslim marriage, pagan or even a mixed religious marriage does not change the validity of a christian marriage. Why have a problem with a gay marriage? They want to commit to each other as much as others, not just live together.

Marriage is issued by the government, so religion is only a matter for the individuals and their church by a ceremony. Church, judge, notary or friend the legality is by the state not the church. To make this a religious issue is wrong. Only within your church is it an issue, so you church can say they won't preform a gay marriage. The rest is just unchristian hatred for a fellow man.

Honestly, I'd think christians would be ashamed by such bigotry. So un Jesus like.

Hate is the only abomination in the scenario, not the love between two people

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

Yes there is. That is the entire argument. It's never been about baking a cake. It's about endorsing the behavior using the cake to do so.

Its cake. They're getting married and want a wedding cake....so they go to a place that makes and sells wedding cakes.

That's about it.

No, that's not it. They want them to make a cake that stipulates and illustrates and ultimately endorses something that conflicts with their religion, freedom of religion and religious expression. This is pure homofascism.

If they don't want to make cakes, nobody is forcing them to be in that business. As long as they are in that business, they need to bake the damn cake and quit whining.

They don't have to forsake their faith for anything that confronts no one. Muslims and othet religiously directed people are allowed to wear their headgear in court even though everyone else must remove their hats.

Religious headgear is protected. Quit whining and bake the damn cake.
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Now you're being hypocritically selective -- again
Which takes us directly to the impetus of the thread.

 

[BULLDOG]

Its cake. They're getting married and want a wedding cake....so they go to a place that makes and sells wedding cakes.

That's about it.

No, that's not it. They want them to make a cake that stipulates and illustrates and ultimately endorses something that conflicts with their religion, freedom of religion and religious expression. This is pure homofascism.

If they don't want to make cakes, nobody is forcing them to be in that business. As long as they are in that business, they need to bake the damn cake and quit whining.

They don't have to forsake their faith for anything that confronts no one. Muslims and othet religiously directed people are allowed to wear their headgear in court even though everyone else must remove their hats.

Religious headgear is protected. Quit whining and bake the damn cake.
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Now you're being hypocritically selective -- again
Which takes us directly to the impetus of the thread.

How am I being hypocritical? I didn't make the law. I just pointed it out to you.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

No, that's not it. They want them to make a cake that stipulates and illustrates and ultimately endorses something that conflicts with their religion, freedom of religion and religious expression. This is pure homofascism.

If they don't want to make cakes, nobody is forcing them to be in that business. As long as they are in that business, they need to bake the damn cake and quit whining.

They don't have to forsake their faith for anything that confronts no one. Muslims and othet religiously directed people are allowed to wear their headgear in court even though everyone else must remove their hats.

Religious headgear is protected. Quit whining and bake the damn cake.
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Now you're being hypocritically selective -- again
Which takes us directly to the impetus of the thread.

How am I being hypocritical? I didn't make the law. I just pointed it out to you.

Your selectivity is hypocritical.

 

[aris2chat]

Georgia governor to veto LGBT bill - CNN.com

Woohoo!!! Freedom won....err....didn't win. Fuck it...something won.

GA Governor vetoes the Religious Liberty bill which would've granted businesses the right to NOT do things that violate their religious beliefs. Ya I know....bigots.

SO....liberals....lets celebrate:

Muslim bakeries in Atlanta?? Yes. They will have to bake me a Mohammed cake now. With his pet pig too.
Gay bakeries in Savnnah....will have to cater my AIDS Appreciation Festival. Right??
Or...the local gay protestant church...will have to rent their banquet hall to me for my rainbow flag shredding competiton....complete with a contest to see who can toss a gay mannequin the farthest off the building!
If a mosque rents out its banquet hall....I'll be renting it for my 1st annual Mohammed Costume & Best Bacon and BBQ contest. And they'll have no choice but allow it.

Right libs? Is that how this thing works???

No. Surely this shit wouldn't force a private group to allow such disgraceful and insulting offenses against a person's beliefs. RIGHT??

post a pic of your Muslim made Mohammed cake.

 

[martybegan]

Its a job where that scenario is predictable and foreseeable. If your religion prevents that, find a job that is compatible with your religion.

They don't reschedule the super bowl because working on Sundays was against Steve Young's religion.

I don't see why Christians insist that they should be immune from generally applicable laws if they disagree with them.

And why are conservative conceptions of 'liberty' so often tied to treating other people like pieces of shit?

Why should a person with the talent and passion for baking, or photography, be forced to give it up just because they don't want to work for one particular type of customer, especially when it involves a non-necessary service that is easily obtainable elsewhere?

And if we continue with your logic, everyone who was in business before Gay Weddings became a legal thing should be grandfathered in so they don't have to comply.

It's not being immune, its about enforcing idiotic laws (or idiotic interpretation of laws) that limit one person's liberty at the expense of another's. Why is a gay persons hurt feelings over having to go to another baker greater than the baker's hurt feelings over having to bake a cake they don't want to bake?

So treating the bakers "like shit" is A-OK, because you disagree with them, right?

But they're not denying service to homos. They are merely requesting that their beliefs be allowed. They shouldn't be forced to bake a homo cake for heteros or homos. But they can't deny baking cakes in general to either. Homofascists don't seem to grasp this.

Their beliefs are allowed. They just don't excuse them from the law.

If you have a 'belief' that you shouldn't have to pay taxes....you're not excepted from that legal obligation either.

Sorry to break it to Christians....but the law applies to you too. You're not special and you're not exempt.

If you force them to go against their beliefs over something as trivial as hurt feelings, they aren't really being allowed.

Nonsense. If you had a belief that you shouldn't have to pay taxes, you're not exempt from taxation. Nor are you exempt from PA laws because you don't believe black people should be able to eat in public.

A state can regulate intrastate commerce. And setting minimum standards of conduct for commerce in their state is perfectly reasonable.

Even if a Christians imagines they are exempt from the law.

Again, not paying your taxes constitutes actual harm. And not wanting to cater or attend a gay wedding, where there are plenty of other bakers available is not even in the same ballpark as not wanting blacks to eat in public.

All you have are comparisons such as that, and they just don't apply.

Again, where is the harm besides hurt feelings?

 

[martybegan]

Why should a person with the talent and passion for baking, or photography, be forced to give it up just because they don't want to work for one particular type of customer, especially when it involves a non-necessary service that is easily obtainable elsewhere?

Because they can't act within the requirements of the law and treat their customers in a manner consistent with the minimum business practices required by their state.

And intra state commerce is undeniably within the authority of a State to regulate.

Again, being Christian doesn't make you immune to any law you disagree with. It never has.

The laws were designed to fight economic and political discrimination of an entire class of people as a whole, not to protect the feelings of individuals. All businesses are not Public Accommodations.

Says who?

If one knows the history of actual, government mandated discrimination, and the political and economic reasons behind it, it is fairly obvious.

So lets look at the Oregon law where they explicitly included sexual discrimination as something that wasn't allowed in commerce in the state.

Make your argument that they didn't intend it to cover a gay couple trying to buy a wedding cake. Specifically, with that law, and that State.

Because the State of Oregon clearly disagrees. Are you arguing that you know Oregon law and its intent better than the State of Oregon does?

When was the law enacted? Was a gay wedding even considered possible at the time?

 

[jknowgood]

Georgia governor to veto LGBT bill - CNN.com

Woohoo!!! Freedom won....err....didn't win. Fuck it...something won.

GA Governor vetoes the Religious Liberty bill which would've granted businesses the right to NOT do things that violate their religious beliefs. Ya I know....bigots.

SO....liberals....lets celebrate:

Muslim bakeries in Atlanta?? Yes. They will have to bake me a Mohammed cake now. With his pet pig too.
Gay bakeries in Savnnah....will have to cater my AIDS Appreciation Festival. Right??
Or...the local gay protestant church...will have to rent their banquet hall to me for my rainbow flag shredding competiton....complete with a contest to see who can toss a gay mannequin the farthest off the building!
If a mosque rents out its banquet hall....I'll be renting it for my 1st annual Mohammed Costume & Best Bacon and BBQ contest. And they'll have no choice but allow it.

Right libs? Is that how this thing works???

No. Surely this shit wouldn't force a private group to allow such disgraceful and insulting offenses against a person's beliefs. RIGHT??

Why is it so important to you that alleged "Christians" have the 'right' to mete out petty discrimination and unwarranted humiliations?

I have never hear my minister admonish the congregation to avoid commerce with homosexuals/ When did this become an essential tenet of Christianity?

Here, all along, I have been taught that Christianity is a faith of love and forgiveness. When did discrimination against homosexuals become the "Christian ting to do"?

My preacher preaches hate the sin, love the sinner but he would not marry a gay couple.

There's no question about officiating a same sex marriage. The question is about commerce, wedding vendors and whether or not they have a right to mete out discrimination based on dogma.

What's the difference, catering a wedding can be the same as marrying the couple?