Would a Progressive Society be a Free Society?

Society described in OP is

  • Free

    Votes: 6 20.0%
  • Authoritarian

    Votes: 7 23.3%
  • Totalitarian

    Votes: 17 56.7%

  • Total voters
    30
The FBI did not "basically" tell social media to remove dissenting opinions and posts. Is that what your media is telling you?

You have a good point about college speakers, but that issue died years ago and was always a very minor issue.

Now we're finding out the FBI met with social media editors once a week. What did they go there for, the free coffee?

It's all going to come out and it should be a doozy given Musk has only been the boss there for a few weeks and we haven't heard from any of the 14 FBI agents turned whistleblowers yet. I'm sure there is much more to come.
 
Now we're finding out the FBI met with social media editors once a week. What did they go there for, the free coffee?

It's all going to come out and it should be a doozy given Musk has only been the boss there for a few weeks and we haven't heard from any of the 14 FBI agents turned whistleblowers yet. I'm sure there is much more to come.
What do you think should be done about the problem?
 
What did they go there for, the free coffee?
They went there to talk about foreign interference into our elections...

...which is illegal.

This isn't a secret. It's widely reported. Not sure what sources you've been reading but they're not telling you the full story.
 
You haven't described anything that violates anyone's freedom. I don't really give a shit what social media companies do. But both sides of the duopoly want to control social media - that's clear.
If the whole Internet is controlled by one ideology and no alternative is allowed, then there is no Free Speech or free exchange of ideas. Of course a Totalitarian Society can be stable for a long time, but everyone who values Freedom must oppose the rise of Totalitarianism by every legal means.

I would absolutely support Republican legislature which can provide disincentive to Social Media companies censoring non-Progressive points of view. Everyone who supports Freedom must support such initiative.
 
If the whole Internet is controlled by one ideology and no alternative is allowed, then there is no Free Speech or free exchange of ideas. Of course a Totalitarian Society can be stable for a long time, but everyone who values Freedom must oppose the rise of Totalitarianism by every legal means.
And how do you propose to deal with the problem?
 
There are jobs and many of them where the shit has to be cleaned up. There ais a small percentage who are asses in doing it. Government jobs in these costs a few times more than needed. Due to quotas, diversity and affirmative action. The people who abuse others need to go. Then we deal with this.
Racist screed
 
And how do you propose to deal with the problem?
1) Elon Musk and architects of Free Speech Media are dealing with the problem right now.

2) Republicans should muster the art of boycott to pressure Social Media companies to allow diversity of viewpoints.

2) Anyone who supports Freedom should support any Republican initiative to legislatively penalize Social Media companies which are particularly censorious. Banning TikTok from USA has been suggested.
 
1) Elon Musk and architects of Free Speech Media are dealing with the problem right now.

2) Republicans should muster the art of boycott to pressure Social Media companies to allow diversity of viewpoints.
Yep. I'm not a Republican, but I'll do my part!
2) Anyone who supports Freedom should support any Republican initiative to legislatively penalize Social Media companies which are particularly censorious. Banning TikTok from USA has been suggested.
Nope. If you think the government is indirectly controlling social media, I don't see how giving them direct control over social media would help. Sounds like dumb piled on dumb.
 
Yep. I'll do my part!
Thank you!
Nope. If you think the government is indirectly controlling social media, I don't see how giving them direct control over social media would help. Sounds like dumb piled on dumb.
If there is an initiative to ban TikTok from USA for [insert reason], I would support it 100% and vote for it.
 
Thank you!

If there is an initiative to ban TikTok from USA for [insert reason], I would support it 100% and vote for it.
And when progressives are in charge, should they be allowed to do likewise and ban social media companies that they don't like?
 
You really are pumping out that propaganda. What's the difference from what they're doing and what you're doing? Not much.

You're creating a fantasy enemy, the "Socialist Communists" as the whole of the Democratic Party. There are Socialists and Communists on the far left of the party, but that's all it is, a fringe movement. The only reason it happens is because of the electoral system that leads to a two party system and everything to the left needs to fit in that system, same as the Republican Party with their fascists, libertarians, Tea Party and others all fitting into the same party.

That you say that the party is the extreme of that party is worrying, it's a narrative, a false narrative, being pushed because the electoral system is all about negative voting. You push a negative view of the Democratic Party to try and convince those people in the middle that they shouldn't vote for the Dems, and the Dems are doing the same thing. So at the end of the day both sides just fling shit at each other, like you're doing.
The Democrats are a radical socialist party with a romantic view of communism.

There are precious few moderates or people of reason who are not ideologues, and these continue to be targeted and run out.
 
They will definitely try to. They did everything to deplatform Parler and Gab.
Parler and Gab are platforms.

They still exist as disgusting little corners of fringe racist internet. Especially Gab where antisemitism runs wild.
 
Parler and Gab are platforms.

They still exist as disgusting little corners of fringe racist internet. Especially Gab where antisemitism runs wild.
I guess overt Racism and anti-Semitism should be banned.

Sadly many Progressives work hard to ban legitimate views and Human Rights activism.
 
Suppose Progressives win the Culture War. Then every website including this one will be faced with a choice of either banning anyone who disagrees with Progressives or being thrown off Internet.

This will not be achieved by government action, but by pressure on Social Media, web hosting providers, DDoS mitigation companies, etc. Thus the First Amendment will not be violated. Nevertheless, anyone who disagrees with Progressives will have no platform anywhere online.

Will that be a Free Society?

Progressives have already won the culture war and the most progressive nations are the ones ranking highest on the world personal freedom index.

The USA has been sliding down that list for years. You're currently 15th. Canada is tied for 6th:

  • Switzerland — 9.11.
  • New Zealand — 9.01.
  • Denmark — 8.98.
  • Estonia — 8.91.
  • Ireland — 8.90.
  • Finland — 8.85.
  • Canada — 8.85.
  • Australia — 8.84.


 
What do you think should be done about the problem?

Make regulation forbidding government getting involved with social media. What we're talking about here is likely a constitutional violation. Government cannot use a proxy to violate our rights.
 
I guess overt Racism and anti-Semitism should be banned.

Sadly many Progressives work hard to ban legitimate views and Human Rights activism.
I think social media platforms have the right to determine what kind of community and standards they adhere to.

There’s a free market out there. If you find one platform too constraining, use another.
 

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