Would you be in favor of a repeal of smoking bans ....

[Ravi]

Check this out. Corzine signed this bill on the same day he approved medical marijuana. E-cigarettes? For goodness sakes!

New Jersey has enacted restrictions on the sale and use of electronic cigarettes.

Gov. Jon Corzine on Monday signed into law legislation that prohibits the use of electronic smoking devices in workplaces and other indoor public places and prohibits their sale to minors.

Electronic cigarettes look like the real thing but don't contain tobacco. Instead, they employ a metal tube with a battery that heats up a liquid nicotine solution. Users inhale and exhale the resulting water vapor.

The bill's sponsor, Assemblywoman Nancy Munoz, a Republican from Summit, says the restrictions are a matter of erring on the side of caution because the health risks associated with e-cigarettes have not been fully determined.

New Jersey 101.5 FM - NJ Restricts Use of Electronic Smoking Devices

Anyone try one?

No...but banning them in public is way beyond retarded.

 

[FA_Q2]

<------- Another one for leave it up to the business. I cannot stand the way American give up their freedoms because it is not targeting them. I do not smoke and the smoking ban pisses me off. If I choose to take part in an activity and a restaurant chooses to allow me to do it then there is no reason that the government should be enacting laws to stop it. As far as the electronic cousins, that just goes to show how asinine these laws are. There is NO bearing on outlawing that type of cigarette.

 

[CurveLight]

I believe the pols in DC are allowed to smoke in their offices which are both public and in federal buildings. Go figure.

 

[Walt]

Has any one actually seen the WHO report on 2nd hand smoke? What were the test conditions? I have heard that it was an 8x8 room with no ventilation and 3 smokers. I have found articles about the report but not the original report. Also how can they determine that a non smoker died of 2nd hand smoke when the arsenic in water also causes lung cancer?

Arsenic in Drinking Water: 2001 Update

 

[CurveLight]

Has any one actually seen the WHO report on 2nd hand smoke? What were the test conditions? I have heard that it was an 8x8 room with no ventilation and 3 smokers. I have found articles about the report but not the original report. Also how can they determine that a non smoker died of 2nd hand smoke when the arsenic in water also causes lung cancer?

Arsenic in Drinking Water: 2001 Update

There has never been any conclusive evidence 2nd smoke is a killer.

 

[SpidermanTuba]

My answer is entirely dependent on whether its a bar or a restaurant, and if a restaurant, what kind of restaurant.


Any private business in which the entry of minors is prohibited onto any part of the business, either by law, or by the business itself - should be allowed to allow smoking.

I say this primarily in reference to bars. Everyone in a bar is a grown-up. If they don't like it - they can leave. It does pose a workplace hazard for the employees - but I'm from Chemical City, Louisiana, and the average chemical plant worker probably gets exposed to far more dangerous stuff than 2nd hand smoke.

If such a law were in effect, it would effectively ban smoking in most restaurants, as most restaurants would not want to ban minors. But those that were willing to be 18+ only in exchange for allowing smoking should be allowed to allow it.

Or say you are a psychologist and you only see adult patients and wish to allow your smoking patients to smoke during your sessions. Hey why not?

Etc.



I think the biggest injustice of smoking bans, as far as bars go - is actually not done to the smoking bars, its done to the non-smoking bars. Take New Orleans. Most bars in the city are smoking. But there are a few that are non-smoking, and they derive business partially from the fact there are a lot of people who want to go out to drink and not smell smoke. If smoking were banned in ALL bars - these non-smoking bars, who voluntarily chose to provide a healthier environment for their patrons, will be penalized, as their non-smoking customers will then be attracted to all of the formerly smoking bars.

 

[Anguille]

As for the original question...I would repeal the bans. It should be up to a business owner who they wish to do business with.

So you are in favor of not allowing blacks into bars and restaurants if the owner wants to run a whites only restaurant?

 

[Anguille]

Has any one actually seen the WHO report on 2nd hand smoke? What were the test conditions? I have heard that it was an 8x8 room with no ventilation and 3 smokers. I have found articles about the report but not the original report. Also how can they determine that a non smoker died of 2nd hand smoke when the arsenic in water also causes lung cancer?

Arsenic in Drinking Water: 2001 Update

Second hand smoke causes more than cancer. It causes heat disease, asthma, sinus problems and much more. A person doesn't even need to do a medical study to know it's a health hazard. Obviously many people report feeling sick when exposed to it and enough people have spoken out against it so that even the powerful tobacco lobby has been brought to it's knees.

Anyone who still claims second hand smoke is not a health hazard is fooling themself.

 

[Anguille]

Has any one actually seen the WHO report on 2nd hand smoke? What were the test conditions? I have heard that it was an 8x8 room with no ventilation and 3 smokers. I have found articles about the report but not the original report. Also how can they determine that a non smoker died of 2nd hand smoke when the arsenic in water also causes lung cancer?

Arsenic in Drinking Water: 2001 Update

There has never been any conclusive evidence 2nd smoke is a killer.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

... in bars and restaurants?

I do not smoke cigarettes
I can not stand the smell of smoke when I'm eating

I am AGAINST banning smoking in PRIVATE BUSINESS ESTABLISHMENTS.

If a restaurant wants to allow smoking it is their right to do so on their property and it is my right to not eat there (and I wouldn't)

Now in public places and buildings I am OK with the smoking ban but never in private business or property.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

... in bars and restaurants?

I voted No. The laws are fair. Why? Because unlike prohibition laws anti smoking laws do not ban smoking in the same way. People do not primarily go to bars, pubs, and restaurants in order yo smoke.

 

[Truthmatters]

I dont pee in your pool and you should not put smoke in my air mmmkay

 

[Bern80]

... in bars and restaurants?

I voted No. The laws are fair. Why? Because unlike prohibition laws anti smoking laws do not ban smoking in the same way. People do not primarily go to bars, pubs, and restaurants in order yo smoke.

Umm that's not really a justification of fairness. It doesn't really address how telling someone what they can allow on their property is fair.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

... in bars and restaurants?

I voted No. The laws are fair. Why? Because unlike prohibition laws anti smoking laws do not ban smoking in the same way. People do not primarily go to bars, pubs, and restaurants in order yo smoke.

Its ok with you for the federal government to step into private business like that but its not ok with me.

See the difference there in our views? Its one of the reasons we rarely agree on things.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

I dont pee in your pool and you should not put smoke in my air mmmkay

Hi truthmatters. Can we debate this a little? I like debating with you.

Let me quote my earlier post

I do not smoke cigarettes
I can not stand the smell of smoke when I'm eating

I am AGAINST banning smoking in PRIVATE BUSINESS ESTABLISHMENTS.

If a restaurant wants to allow smoking it is their right to do so on their property and it is my right to not eat there (and I wouldn't)

Now in public places and buildings I am OK with the smoking ban but never in private business or property.

 

[Anguille]

... in bars and restaurants?

I do not smoke cigarettes
I can not stand the smell of smoke when I'm eating

I am AGAINST banning smoking in PRIVATE BUSINESS ESTABLISHMENTS.

If a restaurant wants to allow smoking it is their right to do so on their property and it is my right to not eat there (and I wouldn't)

Now in public places and buildings I am OK with the smoking ban but never in private business or property.

Bars and restaurant are public places.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

... in bars and restaurants?

I do not smoke cigarettes
I can not stand the smell of smoke when I'm eating

I am AGAINST banning smoking in PRIVATE BUSINESS ESTABLISHMENTS.

If a restaurant wants to allow smoking it is their right to do so on their property and it is my right to not eat there (and I wouldn't)

Now in public places and buildings I am OK with the smoking ban but never in private business or property.

Bars and restaurant are public places.

Schools, Post Offices, Sidewalks, government buildings, airports, public transit, ect ect ect are all public places.

Restaurants are private business establishments.

 

[Bern80]

... in bars and restaurants?

I do not smoke cigarettes
I can not stand the smell of smoke when I'm eating

I am AGAINST banning smoking in PRIVATE BUSINESS ESTABLISHMENTS.

If a restaurant wants to allow smoking it is their right to do so on their property and it is my right to not eat there (and I wouldn't)

Now in public places and buildings I am OK with the smoking ban but never in private business or property.

Bars and restaurant are public places.

Just because the public goes there does not make them public places. By that rationale your own home is a public place should you allow a group of people to eat there.

 

[Shogun]

... in bars and restaurants?

I do not smoke cigarettes
I can not stand the smell of smoke when I'm eating

I am AGAINST banning smoking in PRIVATE BUSINESS ESTABLISHMENTS.

If a restaurant wants to allow smoking it is their right to do so on their property and it is my right to not eat there (and I wouldn't)

Now in public places and buildings I am OK with the smoking ban but never in private business or property.

Bars and restaurant are public places.

go take a shit in the dining room area and see if you are not escorted out by the prerogative of an owner who chooses not to serve you if you think so. private businesses are not like parks and sidewalks.

 

[Anguille]

I do not smoke cigarettes
I can not stand the smell of smoke when I'm eating

I am AGAINST banning smoking in PRIVATE BUSINESS ESTABLISHMENTS.

If a restaurant wants to allow smoking it is their right to do so on their property and it is my right to not eat there (and I wouldn't)

Now in public places and buildings I am OK with the smoking ban but never in private business or property.

Bars and restaurant are public places.

Schools, Post Offices, Sidewalks, government buildings, airports, public transit, ect ect ect are all public places.

Restaurants are private business establishments.

But they are still public places. Any privately owned business that is open to the public is a public place. The law has determined that. That is why Jim Crow laws were overturned.