CDZ Would you support enhanced interrogation if:

[aaronleland]

No, of course not! Torture gives you false information....better to use proven interrogation techniques....

plus torture/ENHANCED interrogation is ILLEGAL.

I always thought "proven interrogation techniques" was enhanced interrogation? lol

No, what they think it is, is a stern talking to and losing the right to pudding at dinner time!

Personally, I'd sell out my own mother if they threatened to take away my pudding.

 

[2aguy]

Be real, folks!
First, it is absolutely inadmissible that America, land of the free, etc., have as an approved policy that torture be not only tolerated, but approved. The image is too ugly to accept. The damage to U.S. reputation is too much to pay. We can't be a country like that.
Second, of course anyone, anywhere, would use whatever means it took to dislodge information of the imagined magnitude presented in this thread. It doesn't have to be said and discussed. That only makes it seem even more hypocritical if things ever come to that.
Third, short of some extreme, absurd situation imagined here, torture is out of the question. Nyet. Nichts. Non. Basta. It is something only the disgusting would be involved in, or encourage!

So what do you instead?

Secret WWII camp interrogators say torture wasn't needed

They were dealing with actual soldiers...terrorists are different. They also had a long time to deal with their POWs while our terrorists are in violation of the Geneva convention and are targeting innocent civilians.

 

[2aguy]

There was credible evidence that the person being interrogated had knowledge of an impending terrorist attack involving a weapon of mass destruction? What if that person was an American citizen?

I already support it for known terrorist leadership...and for select terrorist individuals. Wateboarding works, and doesn't harm the terrorist......

An American citizen has Rights under the Constitution so he can't be subjected to enhanced interrogation techniques.....

The Constitution protects the rights of everyone, not just citizens.

No...it doesn't.

 

[2aguy]

There was credible evidence that the person being interrogated had knowledge of an impending terrorist attack involving a weapon of mass destruction? What if that person was an American citizen?

I already support it for known terrorist leadership...and for select terrorist individuals. Wateboarding works, and doesn't harm the terrorist......

An American citizen has Rights under the Constitution so he can't be subjected to enhanced interrogation techniques.....

It does not work. That is the problem. It just makes people feel good because they think it works and the

No it is not..........You are not answering the Op.

The question of whether torture works is absolutely relevant to the question being asked, would you use it?

Not letting you off the hook............You purposely changed the direction of this thread...............because you don't want to answer the scenario......

Here is the scenario..............

I gave my answer and all your pretty pictures, while offering an emotional distraction, don’t make for a rational

All your assumptions are based on what the OP terms “credible evidence” but credible evidence (such as that leading the invasion of Iraq) has been wrong. You are assuming you have the right person, you assuming he has the information you want, and you are assuming torture is the only means of getting it and that it works. Lots of assumptions upon which to justify selling your soul and torturing another human being.

Again you don't answer the question and Scenario of the OP.........You deflect...........you don't want to answer.

The Guy in front of you knows where the bomb in New York City is.............you can't find it...............there are 8.4 Million people in New York...........

What are you prepared to do............

Oh...........I KNOW..........REFUSE TO ANSWER.................

I answered. It is not my problem if you don’t like it.

You don't know what you are talking about.....it works, the guys who implemented it state that it worked...the POWs who underwent actual torture at the hands of the Vietnamese socialists say it works........

 

[Coyote]

There was credible evidence that the person being interrogated had knowledge of an impending terrorist attack involving a weapon of mass destruction? What if that person was an American citizen?

I already support it for known terrorist leadership...and for select terrorist individuals. Wateboarding works, and doesn't harm the terrorist......

An American citizen has Rights under the Constitution so he can't be subjected to enhanced interrogation techniques.....

It does not work. That is the problem. It just makes people feel good because they think it works and the

The question of whether torture works is absolutely relevant to the question being asked, would you use it?

Not letting you off the hook............You purposely changed the direction of this thread...............because you don't want to answer the scenario......

Here is the scenario..............

I gave my answer and all your pretty pictures, while offering an emotional distraction, don’t make for a rational

All your assumptions are based on what the OP terms “credible evidence” but credible evidence (such as that leading the invasion of Iraq) has been wrong. You are assuming you have the right person, you assuming he has the information you want, and you are assuming torture is the only means of getting it and that it works. Lots of assumptions upon which to justify selling your soul and torturing another human being.

Again you don't answer the question and Scenario of the OP.........You deflect...........you don't want to answer.

The Guy in front of you knows where the bomb in New York City is.............you can't find it...............there are 8.4 Million people in New York...........

What are you prepared to do............

Oh...........I KNOW..........REFUSE TO ANSWER.................

I answered. It is not my problem if you don’t like it.

You don't know what you are talking about.....it works, the guys who implemented it state that it worked...the POWs who underwent actual torture at the hands of the Vietnamese socialists say it works........

The CIA and DoD concluded it did not work. There was little to no usable information. More information was gained through other means.

 

[2aguy]

Be real, folks!
First, it is absolutely inadmissible that America, land of the free, etc., have as an approved policy that torture be not only tolerated, but approved. The image is too ugly to accept. The damage to U.S. reputation is too much to pay. We can't be a country like that.
Second, of course anyone, anywhere, would use whatever means it took to dislodge information of the imagined magnitude presented in this thread. It doesn't have to be said and discussed. That only makes it seem even more hypocritical if things ever come to that.
Third, short of some extreme, absurd situation imagined here, torture is out of the question. Nyet. Nichts. Non. Basta. It is something only the disgusting would be involved in, or encourage!

waterboarding isn't torture.....we did it to our military personel....

Of course it’s torture. You should know this as even the U.S. officially called it torture when the Japanese did it to our servicemen in WWII. You don’t get to redefine words to suit your agenda. Torture is physical or mental abuse. Convincing someone they’re drowning is absolutely mental abuse.

What the Japanese did is not what we did.....you should try to know what you are talking about before you post....

We poured water over a cloth covering their faces, filling their sinuses....the Japanes forced hoses down the throats of POWs filling their stomachs to capcity, then jumped on the abdomens of the prisoners with both feet to force the water out explosively...

do you see what the difference in the two techniques are?

 

[2aguy]

There was credible evidence that the person being interrogated had knowledge of an impending terrorist attack involving a weapon of mass destruction? What if that person was an American citizen?

I already support it for known terrorist leadership...and for select terrorist individuals. Wateboarding works, and doesn't harm the terrorist......

An American citizen has Rights under the Constitution so he can't be subjected to enhanced interrogation techniques.....

It does not work. That is the problem. It just makes people feel good because they think it works and the

Not letting you off the hook............You purposely changed the direction of this thread...............because you don't want to answer the scenario......

Here is the scenario..............

I gave my answer and all your pretty pictures, while offering an emotional distraction, don’t make for a rational

All your assumptions are based on what the OP terms “credible evidence” but credible evidence (such as that leading the invasion of Iraq) has been wrong. You are assuming you have the right person, you assuming he has the information you want, and you are assuming torture is the only means of getting it and that it works. Lots of assumptions upon which to justify selling your soul and torturing another human being.

Again you don't answer the question and Scenario of the OP.........You deflect...........you don't want to answer.

The Guy in front of you knows where the bomb in New York City is.............you can't find it...............there are 8.4 Million people in New York...........

What are you prepared to do............

Oh...........I KNOW..........REFUSE TO ANSWER.................

I answered. It is not my problem if you don’t like it.

You don't know what you are talking about.....it works, the guys who implemented it state that it worked...the POWs who underwent actual torture at the hands of the Vietnamese socialists say it works........

The CIA and DoD concluded it did not work.

Wrong, Leon Penetta and Rodriguez the guy charge and the guy who actually did it say it worked....

 

[sealybobo]

There was credible evidence that the person being interrogated had knowledge of an impending terrorist attack involving a weapon of mass destruction? What if that person was an American citizen?

Sure, when appropriate do whatever you got to do.

But that’s not what America did in Iraq and Afghanistan. They tortured all the prisoners systematically and it was war crime type shit

 

[Coyote]

There was credible evidence that the person being interrogated had knowledge of an impending terrorist attack involving a weapon of mass destruction? What if that person was an American citizen?

I already support it for known terrorist leadership...and for select terrorist individuals. Wateboarding works, and doesn't harm the terrorist......

An American citizen has Rights under the Constitution so he can't be subjected to enhanced interrogation techniques.....

It does not work. That is the problem. It just makes people feel good because they think it works and the

I gave my answer and all your pretty pictures, while offering an emotional distraction, don’t make for a rational

All your assumptions are based on what the OP terms “credible evidence” but credible evidence (such as that leading the invasion of Iraq) has been wrong. You are assuming you have the right person, you assuming he has the information you want, and you are assuming torture is the only means of getting it and that it works. Lots of assumptions upon which to justify selling your soul and torturing another human being.

Again you don't answer the question and Scenario of the OP.........You deflect...........you don't want to answer.

The Guy in front of you knows where the bomb in New York City is.............you can't find it...............there are 8.4 Million people in New York...........

What are you prepared to do............

Oh...........I KNOW..........REFUSE TO ANSWER.................

I answered. It is not my problem if you don’t like it.

You don't know what you are talking about.....it works, the guys who implemented it state that it worked...the POWs who underwent actual torture at the hands of the Vietnamese socialists say it works........

The CIA and DoD concluded it did not work.

Wrong, Leon Penetta and Rodriguez the guy charge and the guy who actually did it say it worked....

US report on 'enhanced interrogation' concludes: torture doesn't work

 

[Coyote]

Be real, folks!
First, it is absolutely inadmissible that America, land of the free, etc., have as an approved policy that torture be not only tolerated, but approved. The image is too ugly to accept. The damage to U.S. reputation is too much to pay. We can't be a country like that.
Second, of course anyone, anywhere, would use whatever means it took to dislodge information of the imagined magnitude presented in this thread. It doesn't have to be said and discussed. That only makes it seem even more hypocritical if things ever come to that.
Third, short of some extreme, absurd situation imagined here, torture is out of the question. Nyet. Nichts. Non. Basta. It is something only the disgusting would be involved in, or encourage!

waterboarding isn't torture.....we did it to our military personel....

Of course it’s torture. You should know this as even the U.S. officially called it torture when the Japanese did it to our servicemen in WWII. You don’t get to redefine words to suit your agenda. Torture is physical or mental abuse. Convincing someone they’re drowning is absolutely mental abuse.

What the Japanese did is not what we did.....you should try to know what you are talking about before you post....

We poured water over a cloth covering their faces, filling their sinuses....the Japanes forced hoses down the throats of POWs filling their stomachs to capcity, then jumped on the abdomens of the prisoners with both feet to force the water out explosively...

do you see what the difference in the two techniques are?

They are both torture. Quit trying to defend it because it differs in degree.

 

[MarathonMike]

I would replace waterboarding with forced viewing of Hillary, Fakahontas, Maxine, and Nancy in a loop over and over and over and over. I'm guessing no one would last more than an hour before they gave up the goods.

 

[2aguy]

Be real, folks!
First, it is absolutely inadmissible that America, land of the free, etc., have as an approved policy that torture be not only tolerated, but approved. The image is too ugly to accept. The damage to U.S. reputation is too much to pay. We can't be a country like that.
Second, of course anyone, anywhere, would use whatever means it took to dislodge information of the imagined magnitude presented in this thread. It doesn't have to be said and discussed. That only makes it seem even more hypocritical if things ever come to that.
Third, short of some extreme, absurd situation imagined here, torture is out of the question. Nyet. Nichts. Non. Basta. It is something only the disgusting would be involved in, or encourage!

waterboarding isn't torture.....we did it to our military personel....

Of course it’s torture. You should know this as even the U.S. officially called it torture when the Japanese did it to our servicemen in WWII. You don’t get to redefine words to suit your agenda. Torture is physical or mental abuse. Convincing someone they’re drowning is absolutely mental abuse.

What the Japanese did is not what we did.....you should try to know what you are talking about before you post....

We poured water over a cloth covering their faces, filling their sinuses....the Japanes forced hoses down the throats of POWs filling their stomachs to capcity, then jumped on the abdomens of the prisoners with both feet to force the water out explosively...

do you see what the difference in the two techniques are?

They are both torture. Quit trying to defend it because it differs in degree.

Wrong......I will listen to the 3 POWs who actually know what torture is, because they endured it for years under the socialists...

McCain’s fellow POWs support waterboarding

When I was researching my book, “Courting Disaster,” I interviewed many of them, including Col. Bud Day, who received our nation’s highest award for valor, the Medal of Honor, for his heroic escape from a North Vietnamese prison camp.

When Day was returned to the prison, his right arm was broken in three places and he had been shot in the hand and thigh during his capture. But he continued to resist interrogation and provide false information — suffering such excruciating torture that he became totally physically debilitated and unable to perform even the simplest task for himself. In short, Day is an expert on the subject of torture. Here is what he says about CIA waterboarding:

“I am a supporter of waterboarding. It is not torture. Torture is really hurting someone. Waterboarding is just scaring someone, with no long-term injurious effects. It is a scare tactic that works.”

I asked Day in an e-mail what he would say to the CIA officer who waterboarded Khalid Sheik Mohammed, if he had the chance to speak with him. Day replied immediately: “YOU DID THE RIGHT THING.”

And the other Congressional of Medal Awardee...also agrees......waterboarding is not torture.....

Like Day, Col. Leo Thorsness was awarded the Medal of Honor for extraordinary heroism during the Vietnam War. He experienced excruciating torture during his captivity — his back broken, his body wrenched apart. He says what the CIA did to al-Qaeda terrorists in its custody was not torture:

“To me, waterboarding is intensive interrogation. It is not torture. Torture involves extreme, brutal pain — breaking bones, passing out from pain, beatings so severe that blood spatters the walls . . . when you pop shoulders out of joints.. . . In my mind, there’s a difference, and in most POWs’ minds there’s a difference.. . . I would not hesitate a second to use ‘enhanced interrogation,’ including waterboarding, if it would save the lives of innocent people.”

And the most famous supporter of water boarding......

Another torture victim who supports waterboarding is Adm. Jeremiah Denton — the POW who famously winked the word “T-O-R-T-U-R-E” in Morse code during a North Vietnamese propaganda interview.

It was the first message to the outside world that American prisoners were being tortured. Denton later received the Navy Cross for this courageous and costly act of defiance, for which he paid dearly when his captors figured out what he had done. I asked Denton if he thought waterboarding was torture. He told me:

“No, I think it’s persuasive.. . . The big, monstrous difference here is that the gentlemen we are waterboarding are people who swore to kill Americans. They will wreak any kind of torture just for the hell of it on anybody. When they are captured by the U.S., and we know or have reason to believe that they know of a subsequent event after 9/11, if you don’t interrogate them, more misery will take place.. . . Waterboarding is not an evil. Some of the things they did to us were torture. I passed out a dozen times from torture. We’re not exerting that kind of excruciation.”

 

[2aguy]

I already support it for known terrorist leadership...and for select terrorist individuals. Wateboarding works, and doesn't harm the terrorist......

An American citizen has Rights under the Constitution so he can't be subjected to enhanced interrogation techniques.....

It does not work. That is the problem. It just makes people feel good because they think it works and the

Again you don't answer the question and Scenario of the OP.........You deflect...........you don't want to answer.

The Guy in front of you knows where the bomb in New York City is.............you can't find it...............there are 8.4 Million people in New York...........

What are you prepared to do............

Oh...........I KNOW..........REFUSE TO ANSWER.................

I answered. It is not my problem if you don’t like it.

You don't know what you are talking about.....it works, the guys who implemented it state that it worked...the POWs who underwent actual torture at the hands of the Vietnamese socialists say it works........

The CIA and DoD concluded it did not work.

Wrong, Leon Penetta and Rodriguez the guy charge and the guy who actually did it say it worked....

US report on 'enhanced interrogation' concludes: torture doesn't work

Yes..I remember that, the democrat controlled Senate created a phony report...thanks for the info.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Such is the reprehensible right's contempt for the rule of law.

The ends never justify the means.

I take it you would prefer to allow many of your Countrymen die than to exhaust any and all chances that you could save them then, right?

You think that leaves you with clean hands? Here's a clue, it wouldn't. They would be bloody as hell.

You have your answer in his thinking that the mass loss of life of his countrymen is funny to him.

 

[Coyote]

Be real, folks!
First, it is absolutely inadmissible that America, land of the free, etc., have as an approved policy that torture be not only tolerated, but approved. The image is too ugly to accept. The damage to U.S. reputation is too much to pay. We can't be a country like that.
Second, of course anyone, anywhere, would use whatever means it took to dislodge information of the imagined magnitude presented in this thread. It doesn't have to be said and discussed. That only makes it seem even more hypocritical if things ever come to that.
Third, short of some extreme, absurd situation imagined here, torture is out of the question. Nyet. Nichts. Non. Basta. It is something only the disgusting would be involved in, or encourage!

waterboarding isn't torture.....we did it to our military personel....

Of course it’s torture. You should know this as even the U.S. officially called it torture when the Japanese did it to our servicemen in WWII. You don’t get to redefine words to suit your agenda. Torture is physical or mental abuse. Convincing someone they’re drowning is absolutely mental abuse.

What the Japanese did is not what we did.....you should try to know what you are talking about before you post....

We poured water over a cloth covering their faces, filling their sinuses....the Japanes forced hoses down the throats of POWs filling their stomachs to capcity, then jumped on the abdomens of the prisoners with both feet to force the water out explosively...

do you see what the difference in the two techniques are?

They are both torture. Quit trying to defend it because it differs in degree.

Wrong......I will listen to the 3 POWs who actually know what torture is, because they endured it for years under the socialists...

McCain’s fellow POWs support waterboarding

When I was researching my book, “Courting Disaster,” I interviewed many of them, including Col. Bud Day, who received our nation’s highest award for valor, the Medal of Honor, for his heroic escape from a North Vietnamese prison camp.

When Day was returned to the prison, his right arm was broken in three places and he had been shot in the hand and thigh during his capture. But he continued to resist interrogation and provide false information — suffering such excruciating torture that he became totally physically debilitated and unable to perform even the simplest task for himself. In short, Day is an expert on the subject of torture. Here is what he says about CIA waterboarding:

“I am a supporter of waterboarding. It is not torture. Torture is really hurting someone. Waterboarding is just scaring someone, with no long-term injurious effects. It is a scare tactic that works.”

I asked Day in an e-mail what he would say to the CIA officer who waterboarded Khalid Sheik Mohammed, if he had the chance to speak with him. Day replied immediately: “YOU DID THE RIGHT THING.”

And the other Congressional of Medal Awardee...also agrees......waterboarding is not torture.....

Like Day, Col. Leo Thorsness was awarded the Medal of Honor for extraordinary heroism during the Vietnam War. He experienced excruciating torture during his captivity — his back broken, his body wrenched apart. He says what the CIA did to al-Qaeda terrorists in its custody was not torture:

“To me, waterboarding is intensive interrogation. It is not torture. Torture involves extreme, brutal pain — breaking bones, passing out from pain, beatings so severe that blood spatters the walls . . . when you pop shoulders out of joints.. . . In my mind, there’s a difference, and in most POWs’ minds there’s a difference.. . . I would not hesitate a second to use ‘enhanced interrogation,’ including waterboarding, if it would save the lives of innocent people.”

And the most famous supporter of water boarding......

Another torture victim who supports waterboarding is Adm. Jeremiah Denton — the POW who famously winked the word “T-O-R-T-U-R-E” in Morse code during a North Vietnamese propaganda interview.

It was the first message to the outside world that American prisoners were being tortured. Denton later received the Navy Cross for this courageous and costly act of defiance, for which he paid dearly when his captors figured out what he had done. I asked Denton if he thought waterboarding was torture. He told me:

“No, I think it’s persuasive.. . . The big, monstrous difference here is that the gentlemen we are waterboarding are people who swore to kill Americans. They will wreak any kind of torture just for the hell of it on anybody. When they are captured by the U.S., and we know or have reason to believe that they know of a subsequent event after 9/11, if you don’t interrogate them, more misery will take place.. . . Waterboarding is not an evil. Some of the things they did to us were torture. I passed out a dozen times from torture. We’re not exerting that kind of excruciation.”

Let me know when you subject yourself to water boarding at the hands of an enemy captor and you have no idea whether they will kill you or not.

It is ironic that, according to one of your quotes, what makes waterboarding “not torture” is defined by who the victim is, not the act. That is seriously warped.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

The jihadists are fortunate I'm not in charge...because I would begin at water boarding and if that didn't work crank it up a notch until it does...how many years do you want to fight this war? another 20?

I'm thinking Pig's blood enemas, myself, preferably televised and broadcast back home.

It would be much less tortuous from any real perspective, but much more effective from the psychological.

 

[2aguy]

waterboarding isn't torture.....we did it to our military personel....

Of course it’s torture. You should know this as even the U.S. officially called it torture when the Japanese did it to our servicemen in WWII. You don’t get to redefine words to suit your agenda. Torture is physical or mental abuse. Convincing someone they’re drowning is absolutely mental abuse.

What the Japanese did is not what we did.....you should try to know what you are talking about before you post....

We poured water over a cloth covering their faces, filling their sinuses....the Japanes forced hoses down the throats of POWs filling their stomachs to capcity, then jumped on the abdomens of the prisoners with both feet to force the water out explosively...

do you see what the difference in the two techniques are?

They are both torture. Quit trying to defend it because it differs in degree.

Wrong......I will listen to the 3 POWs who actually know what torture is, because they endured it for years under the socialists...

McCain’s fellow POWs support waterboarding

When I was researching my book, “Courting Disaster,” I interviewed many of them, including Col. Bud Day, who received our nation’s highest award for valor, the Medal of Honor, for his heroic escape from a North Vietnamese prison camp.

When Day was returned to the prison, his right arm was broken in three places and he had been shot in the hand and thigh during his capture. But he continued to resist interrogation and provide false information — suffering such excruciating torture that he became totally physically debilitated and unable to perform even the simplest task for himself. In short, Day is an expert on the subject of torture. Here is what he says about CIA waterboarding:

“I am a supporter of waterboarding. It is not torture. Torture is really hurting someone. Waterboarding is just scaring someone, with no long-term injurious effects. It is a scare tactic that works.”

I asked Day in an e-mail what he would say to the CIA officer who waterboarded Khalid Sheik Mohammed, if he had the chance to speak with him. Day replied immediately: “YOU DID THE RIGHT THING.”

And the other Congressional of Medal Awardee...also agrees......waterboarding is not torture.....

Like Day, Col. Leo Thorsness was awarded the Medal of Honor for extraordinary heroism during the Vietnam War. He experienced excruciating torture during his captivity — his back broken, his body wrenched apart. He says what the CIA did to al-Qaeda terrorists in its custody was not torture:

“To me, waterboarding is intensive interrogation. It is not torture. Torture involves extreme, brutal pain — breaking bones, passing out from pain, beatings so severe that blood spatters the walls . . . when you pop shoulders out of joints.. . . In my mind, there’s a difference, and in most POWs’ minds there’s a difference.. . . I would not hesitate a second to use ‘enhanced interrogation,’ including waterboarding, if it would save the lives of innocent people.”

And the most famous supporter of water boarding......

Another torture victim who supports waterboarding is Adm. Jeremiah Denton — the POW who famously winked the word “T-O-R-T-U-R-E” in Morse code during a North Vietnamese propaganda interview.

It was the first message to the outside world that American prisoners were being tortured. Denton later received the Navy Cross for this courageous and costly act of defiance, for which he paid dearly when his captors figured out what he had done. I asked Denton if he thought waterboarding was torture. He told me:

“No, I think it’s persuasive.. . . The big, monstrous difference here is that the gentlemen we are waterboarding are people who swore to kill Americans. They will wreak any kind of torture just for the hell of it on anybody. When they are captured by the U.S., and we know or have reason to believe that they know of a subsequent event after 9/11, if you don’t interrogate them, more misery will take place.. . . Waterboarding is not an evil. Some of the things they did to us were torture. I passed out a dozen times from torture. We’re not exerting that kind of excruciation.”

Let me know when you subject yourself to water boarding at the hands of an enemy captor and you have no idea whether they will kill you or not.

It is ironic that, according to one of your quotes, what makes waterboarding “not torture” is defined by who the victim is, not the act. That is seriously warped.

We waterboard our Navy Seals and used to do it to all of our SERE course trainees...pilots and other military personnel.....it is not torture....and the fact that the actual POWs tell you this shows you are immune to facts.

When Stephen Crowder can undergo waterboarding as part of a Christmas show, it demonstrates how not torture waterboarding is...

 

[2aguy]

waterboarding isn't torture.....we did it to our military personel....

Of course it’s torture. You should know this as even the U.S. officially called it torture when the Japanese did it to our servicemen in WWII. You don’t get to redefine words to suit your agenda. Torture is physical or mental abuse. Convincing someone they’re drowning is absolutely mental abuse.

What the Japanese did is not what we did.....you should try to know what you are talking about before you post....

We poured water over a cloth covering their faces, filling their sinuses....the Japanes forced hoses down the throats of POWs filling their stomachs to capcity, then jumped on the abdomens of the prisoners with both feet to force the water out explosively...

do you see what the difference in the two techniques are?

They are both torture. Quit trying to defend it because it differs in degree.

Wrong......I will listen to the 3 POWs who actually know what torture is, because they endured it for years under the socialists...

McCain’s fellow POWs support waterboarding

When I was researching my book, “Courting Disaster,” I interviewed many of them, including Col. Bud Day, who received our nation’s highest award for valor, the Medal of Honor, for his heroic escape from a North Vietnamese prison camp.

When Day was returned to the prison, his right arm was broken in three places and he had been shot in the hand and thigh during his capture. But he continued to resist interrogation and provide false information — suffering such excruciating torture that he became totally physically debilitated and unable to perform even the simplest task for himself. In short, Day is an expert on the subject of torture. Here is what he says about CIA waterboarding:

“I am a supporter of waterboarding. It is not torture. Torture is really hurting someone. Waterboarding is just scaring someone, with no long-term injurious effects. It is a scare tactic that works.”

I asked Day in an e-mail what he would say to the CIA officer who waterboarded Khalid Sheik Mohammed, if he had the chance to speak with him. Day replied immediately: “YOU DID THE RIGHT THING.”

And the other Congressional of Medal Awardee...also agrees......waterboarding is not torture.....

Like Day, Col. Leo Thorsness was awarded the Medal of Honor for extraordinary heroism during the Vietnam War. He experienced excruciating torture during his captivity — his back broken, his body wrenched apart. He says what the CIA did to al-Qaeda terrorists in its custody was not torture:

“To me, waterboarding is intensive interrogation. It is not torture. Torture involves extreme, brutal pain — breaking bones, passing out from pain, beatings so severe that blood spatters the walls . . . when you pop shoulders out of joints.. . . In my mind, there’s a difference, and in most POWs’ minds there’s a difference.. . . I would not hesitate a second to use ‘enhanced interrogation,’ including waterboarding, if it would save the lives of innocent people.”

And the most famous supporter of water boarding......

Another torture victim who supports waterboarding is Adm. Jeremiah Denton — the POW who famously winked the word “T-O-R-T-U-R-E” in Morse code during a North Vietnamese propaganda interview.

It was the first message to the outside world that American prisoners were being tortured. Denton later received the Navy Cross for this courageous and costly act of defiance, for which he paid dearly when his captors figured out what he had done. I asked Denton if he thought waterboarding was torture. He told me:

“No, I think it’s persuasive.. . . The big, monstrous difference here is that the gentlemen we are waterboarding are people who swore to kill Americans. They will wreak any kind of torture just for the hell of it on anybody. When they are captured by the U.S., and we know or have reason to believe that they know of a subsequent event after 9/11, if you don’t interrogate them, more misery will take place.. . . Waterboarding is not an evil. Some of the things they did to us were torture. I passed out a dozen times from torture. We’re not exerting that kind of excruciation.”

Let me know when you subject yourself to water boarding at the hands of an enemy captor and you have no idea whether they will kill you or not.

It is ironic that, according to one of your quotes, what makes waterboarding “not torture” is defined by who the victim is, not the act. That is seriously warped.

Hey,...I'll undergo waterboarding it you undergo actual torture...we'll make it a contest...I will be waterboarded, you will have your front two teeth knocked out with a hammer and chisel...then we will compare notes and discuss which is torture and which isn't...

 

[Coyote]

It does not work. That is the problem. It just makes people feel good because they think it works and the
I answered. It is not my problem if you don’t like it.

You don't know what you are talking about.....it works, the guys who implemented it state that it worked...the POWs who underwent actual torture at the hands of the Vietnamese socialists say it works........

The CIA and DoD concluded it did not work.

Wrong, Leon Penetta and Rodriguez the guy charge and the guy who actually did it say it worked....

US report on 'enhanced interrogation' concludes: torture doesn't work

Yes..I remember that, the democrat controlled Senate created a phony report...thanks for the info.

And more...including from the military.

Torture: Why the uniformed military balked at ‘enhanced interrogation’

Interrogation Experts From Every Branch of the Military and Intelligence Agree: Torture DOESN’T Produce Useful Information | Washington's Blog

Torture: Unreliable and Inestimably Costly

 

[2aguy]

You don't know what you are talking about.....it works, the guys who implemented it state that it worked...the POWs who underwent actual torture at the hands of the Vietnamese socialists say it works........

The CIA and DoD concluded it did not work.

Wrong, Leon Penetta and Rodriguez the guy charge and the guy who actually did it say it worked....

US report on 'enhanced interrogation' concludes: torture doesn't work

Yes..I remember that, the democrat controlled Senate created a phony report...thanks for the info.

And more...including from the military.

Torture: Why the uniformed military balked at ‘enhanced interrogation’

Interrogation Experts From Every Branch of the Military and Intelligence Agree: Torture DOESN’T Produce Useful Information | Washington's Blog

Torture: Unreliable and Inestimably Costly

The uniformed military is under the Geneva convention, they can't waterboard enemy POWs who are also covered by the convention...terrorists are not covered by the Convention, they are illegal, enemy combatants....

The military doesn't waterboard POWs, so they don't know how it works....and again......it worked, the guys who did it say it worked......