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And you know these protocols were used....how? What happened to the videos?You know you can too? Put yourself in the hands of NK and tell them to waterboard you.Let me know when you subject yourself to water boarding at the hands of an enemy captor and you have no idea whether they will kill you or not.
It is ironic that, according to one of your quotes, what makes waterboarding “not torture” is defined by who the victim is, not the act. That is seriously warped.
We waterboard our Navy Seals and used to do it to all of our SERE course trainees...pilots and other military personnel.....it is not torture....and the fact that the actual POWs tell you this shows you are immune to facts.
When Stephen Crowder can undergo waterboarding as part of a Christmas show, it demonstrates how not torture waterboarding is...
There is a HUGE difference between being water boarded in friendly hands knowing you won’t die, and being in the hands of an enemy...waterboarded again and again. Let me know when you have experienced it.
No, there isn't.....the interrogators said the terrorists knew we weren't going to kill them because they had trained in resistance techniques.....they counted to 10 on their fingers so the interrogators could see them doing it since they knew each pour of water could only be 10 seconds...so the terrorists also knew they wouldn't be killed......and they still gave up the information....you don't know what you are talking about.
Let me know when you get your two front teeth knocked out with a chisel.....and if Christopher Hitchens can get waterboarded, I know I can too...can you loose two front teeth to a chisel?
I will be waterboarded by Americans using the CIA protocols...the ones used on the terrorists.... again, the socialists didn't do the same thing......
You already posted this same cut and paste.LOLOLLet me know when you subject yourself to water boarding at the hands of an enemy captor and you have no idea whether they will kill you or not.They are both torture. Quit trying to defend it because it differs in degree.
Wrong......I will listen to the 3 POWs who actually know what torture is, because they endured it for years under the socialists...
McCain’s fellow POWs support waterboarding
When I was researching my book, “Courting Disaster,” I interviewed many of them, including Col. Bud Day, who received our nation’s highest award for valor, the Medal of Honor, for his heroic escape from a North Vietnamese prison camp.
When Day was returned to the prison, his right arm was broken in three places and he had been shot in the hand and thigh during his capture. But he continued to resist interrogation and provide false information — suffering such excruciating torture that he became totally physically debilitated and unable to perform even the simplest task for himself. In short, Day is an expert on the subject of torture. Here is what he says about CIA waterboarding:
“I am a supporter of waterboarding. It is not torture. Torture is really hurting someone. Waterboarding is just scaring someone, with no long-term injurious effects. It is a scare tactic that works.”
I asked Day in an e-mail what he would say to the CIA officer who waterboarded Khalid Sheik Mohammed, if he had the chance to speak with him. Day replied immediately: “YOU DID THE RIGHT THING.”
And the other Congressional of Medal Awardee...also agrees......waterboarding is not torture.....
Like Day, Col. Leo Thorsness was awarded the Medal of Honor for extraordinary heroism during the Vietnam War. He experienced excruciating torture during his captivity — his back broken, his body wrenched apart. He says what the CIA did to al-Qaeda terrorists in its custody was not torture:
“To me, waterboarding is intensive interrogation. It is not torture. Torture involves extreme, brutal pain — breaking bones, passing out from pain, beatings so severe that blood spatters the walls . . . when you pop shoulders out of joints.. . . In my mind, there’s a difference, and in most POWs’ minds there’s a difference.. . . I would not hesitate a second to use ‘enhanced interrogation,’ including waterboarding, if it would save the lives of innocent people.”
And the most famous supporter of water boarding......
Another torture victim who supports waterboarding is Adm. Jeremiah Denton — the POW who famously winked the word “T-O-R-T-U-R-E” in Morse code during a North Vietnamese propaganda interview.
It was the first message to the outside world that American prisoners were being tortured. Denton later received the Navy Cross for this courageous and costly act of defiance, for which he paid dearly when his captors figured out what he had done. I asked Denton if he thought waterboarding was torture. He told me:
“No, I think it’s persuasive.. . . The big, monstrous difference here is that the gentlemen we are waterboarding are people who swore to kill Americans. They will wreak any kind of torture just for the hell of it on anybody. When they are captured by the U.S., and we know or have reason to believe that they know of a subsequent event after 9/11, if you don’t interrogate them, more misery will take place.. . . Waterboarding is not an evil. Some of the things they did to us were torture. I passed out a dozen times from torture. We’re not exerting that kind of excruciation.”
It is ironic that, according to one of your quotes, what makes waterboarding “not torture” is defined by who the victim is, not the act. That is seriously warped.
Hey,...I'll undergo waterboarding it you undergo actual torture...we'll make it a contest...I will be waterboarded, you will have your front two teeth knocked out with a hammer and chisel...then we will compare notes and discuss which is torture and which isn't...
I like how you try to argue Waterboarding is not torture because knocking out someone’s teeth is.
3 actual experts in torture say it isn't...you might want to pay attention to people who know what they are talking about....
McCain’s fellow POWs support waterboarding
When I was researching my book, “Courting Disaster,” I interviewed many of them, including Col. Bud Day, who received our nation’s highest award for valor, the Medal of Honor, for his heroic escape from a North Vietnamese prison camp.
When Day was returned to the prison, his right arm was broken in three places and he had been shot in the hand and thigh during his capture. But he continued to resist interrogation and provide false information — suffering such excruciating torture that he became totally physically debilitated and unable to perform even the simplest task for himself. In short, Day is an expert on the subject of torture. Here is what he says about CIA waterboarding:
“I am a supporter of waterboarding. It is not torture. Torture is really hurting someone. Waterboarding is just scaring someone, with no long-term injurious effects. It is a scare tactic that works.”
I asked Day in an e-mail what he would say to the CIA officer who waterboarded Khalid Sheik Mohammed, if he had the chance to speak with him. Day replied immediately: “YOU DID THE RIGHT THING.”
And the other Congressional of Medal Awardee...also agrees......waterboarding is not torture.....
Like Day, Col. Leo Thorsness was awarded the Medal of Honor for extraordinary heroism during the Vietnam War. He experienced excruciating torture during his captivity — his back broken, his body wrenched apart. He says what the CIA did to al-Qaeda terrorists in its custody was not torture:
“To me, waterboarding is intensive interrogation. It is not torture. Torture involves extreme, brutal pain — breaking bones, passing out from pain, beatings so severe that blood spatters the walls . . . when you pop shoulders out of joints.. . . In my mind, there’s a difference, and in most POWs’ minds there’s a difference.. . . I would not hesitate a second to use ‘enhanced interrogation,’ including waterboarding, if it would save the lives of innocent people.”
And the most famous supporter of water boarding......
Another torture victim who supports waterboarding is Adm. Jeremiah Denton — the POW who famously winked the word “T-O-R-T-U-R-E” in Morse code during a North Vietnamese propaganda interview.
It was the first message to the outside world that American prisoners were being tortured. Denton later received the Navy Cross for this courageous and costly act of defiance, for which he paid dearly when his captors figured out what he had done. I asked Denton if he thought waterboarding was torture. He told me:
“No, I think it’s persuasive.. . . The big, monstrous difference here is that the gentlemen we are waterboarding are people who swore to kill Americans. They will wreak any kind of torture just for the hell of it on anybody. When they are captured by the U.S., and we know or have reason to believe that they know of a subsequent event after 9/11, if you don’t interrogate them, more misery will take place.. . . Waterboarding is not an evil. Some of the things they did to us were torture. I passed out a dozen times from torture. We’re not exerting that kind of excruciation.”
So you say. Meanwhile, I just quoted someone who was a victim of that practice at the hands of the Japanese guy who we tried, and convicted, of torture, which included waterboarding.What I see is your claims don’t match the record recorded testimony...Of course it’s torture. You should know this as even the U.S. officially called it torture when the Japanese did it to our servicemen in WWII. You don’t get to redefine words to suit your agenda. Torture is physical or mental abuse. Convincing someone they’re drowning is absolutely mental abuse.Be real, folks!
First, it is absolutely inadmissible that America, land of the free, etc., have as an approved policy that torture be not only tolerated, but approved. The image is too ugly to accept. The damage to U.S. reputation is too much to pay. We can't be a country like that.
Second, of course anyone, anywhere, would use whatever means it took to dislodge information of the imagined magnitude presented in this thread. It doesn't have to be said and discussed. That only makes it seem even more hypocritical if things ever come to that.
Third, short of some extreme, absurd situation imagined here, torture is out of the question. Nyet. Nichts. Non. Basta. It is something only the disgusting would be involved in, or encourage!
waterboarding isn't torture.....we did it to our military personel....
What the Japanese did is not what we did.....you should try to know what you are talking about before you post....
We poured water over a cloth covering their faces, filling their sinuses....the Japanes forced hoses down the throats of POWs filling their stomachs to capcity, then jumped on the abdomens of the prisoners with both feet to force the water out explosively...
do you see what the difference in the two techniques are?
”Yuki placed some cloth on my face. And then with water from the faucet, they poured on me until I became unconscious. He repeated that four or five times.”
That was one of several water techniques they used......they also put prisoners upside down into tubs of water....
Maybe just announce that we have a terrorist and since he won’t tell us what we need to know, he will be released at 5 o’clock at 5th and main. The police will immediately leave.
Better?
So you say. Meanwhile, I just quoted someone who was a victim of that practice at the hands of the Japanese guy who we tried, and convicted, of torture, which included waterboarding.What I see is your claims don’t match the record recorded testimony...Of course it’s torture. You should know this as even the U.S. officially called it torture when the Japanese did it to our servicemen in WWII. You don’t get to redefine words to suit your agenda. Torture is physical or mental abuse. Convincing someone they’re drowning is absolutely mental abuse.waterboarding isn't torture.....we did it to our military personel....
What the Japanese did is not what we did.....you should try to know what you are talking about before you post....
We poured water over a cloth covering their faces, filling their sinuses....the Japanes forced hoses down the throats of POWs filling their stomachs to capcity, then jumped on the abdomens of the prisoners with both feet to force the water out explosively...
do you see what the difference in the two techniques are?
”Yuki placed some cloth on my face. And then with water from the faucet, they poured on me until I became unconscious. He repeated that four or five times.”
That was one of several water techniques they used......they also put prisoners upside down into tubs of water....
Sorry, but you don’t get to redefine terminology.
The OP said nothing about that.Maybe just announce that we have a terrorist and since he won’t tell us what we need to know, he will be released at 5 o’clock at 5th and main. The police will immediately leave.
Better?
The only thing that would make it better for some people would be if he was supplied with weapons of mass destruction upon being released.
After all, we are talking about Islamic Terrorists, here.
And you know these protocols were used....how? What happened to the videos?You know you can too? Put yourself in the hands of NK and tell them to waterboard you.We waterboard our Navy Seals and used to do it to all of our SERE course trainees...pilots and other military personnel.....it is not torture....and the fact that the actual POWs tell you this shows you are immune to facts.
When Stephen Crowder can undergo waterboarding as part of a Christmas show, it demonstrates how not torture waterboarding is...
There is a HUGE difference between being water boarded in friendly hands knowing you won’t die, and being in the hands of an enemy...waterboarded again and again. Let me know when you have experienced it.
No, there isn't.....the interrogators said the terrorists knew we weren't going to kill them because they had trained in resistance techniques.....they counted to 10 on their fingers so the interrogators could see them doing it since they knew each pour of water could only be 10 seconds...so the terrorists also knew they wouldn't be killed......and they still gave up the information....you don't know what you are talking about.
Let me know when you get your two front teeth knocked out with a chisel.....and if Christopher Hitchens can get waterboarded, I know I can too...can you loose two front teeth to a chisel?
I will be waterboarded by Americans using the CIA protocols...the ones used on the terrorists.... again, the socialists didn't do the same thing......
So, unlike these prisoners, you would not subject yourself to waterboarding at the hands of an enemy trying to extract information from you. You would play it safe.
Big difference.
Again, how do you know those are the techniques actually used? What happened to the videos?And you know these protocols were used....how? What happened to the videos?You know you can too? Put yourself in the hands of NK and tell them to waterboard you.There is a HUGE difference between being water boarded in friendly hands knowing you won’t die, and being in the hands of an enemy...waterboarded again and again. Let me know when you have experienced it.
No, there isn't.....the interrogators said the terrorists knew we weren't going to kill them because they had trained in resistance techniques.....they counted to 10 on their fingers so the interrogators could see them doing it since they knew each pour of water could only be 10 seconds...so the terrorists also knew they wouldn't be killed......and they still gave up the information....you don't know what you are talking about.
Let me know when you get your two front teeth knocked out with a chisel.....and if Christopher Hitchens can get waterboarded, I know I can too...can you loose two front teeth to a chisel?
I will be waterboarded by Americans using the CIA protocols...the ones used on the terrorists.... again, the socialists didn't do the same thing......
So, unlike these prisoners, you would not subject yourself to waterboarding at the hands of an enemy trying to extract information from you. You would play it safe.
Big difference.
No...I would be waterboarded using the techniques the CIA actually used.....they are not the same as what the socialists use.....that is the difference, the socialists torture people, the CIA uses waterboarding.....
Nonsense.What I see is your claims don’t match the record recorded testimony...Of course it’s torture. You should know this as even the U.S. officially called it torture when the Japanese did it to our servicemen in WWII. You don’t get to redefine words to suit your agenda. Torture is physical or mental abuse. Convincing someone they’re drowning is absolutely mental abuse.Be real, folks!
First, it is absolutely inadmissible that America, land of the free, etc., have as an approved policy that torture be not only tolerated, but approved. The image is too ugly to accept. The damage to U.S. reputation is too much to pay. We can't be a country like that.
Second, of course anyone, anywhere, would use whatever means it took to dislodge information of the imagined magnitude presented in this thread. It doesn't have to be said and discussed. That only makes it seem even more hypocritical if things ever come to that.
Third, short of some extreme, absurd situation imagined here, torture is out of the question. Nyet. Nichts. Non. Basta. It is something only the disgusting would be involved in, or encourage!
waterboarding isn't torture.....we did it to our military personel....
What the Japanese did is not what we did.....you should try to know what you are talking about before you post....
We poured water over a cloth covering their faces, filling their sinuses....the Japanes forced hoses down the throats of POWs filling their stomachs to capcity, then jumped on the abdomens of the prisoners with both feet to force the water out explosively...
do you see what the difference in the two techniques are?
”Yuki placed some cloth on my face. And then with water from the faucet, they poured on me until I became unconscious. He repeated that four or five times.”
That isn't how the CIA did it.......not even close.....
Sorry, Paul Begala — You’re Still Wrong | National Review
The OP said nothing about that.
What socialists?You know you can too? Put yourself in the hands of NK and tell them to waterboard you.Let me know when you subject yourself to water boarding at the hands of an enemy captor and you have no idea whether they will kill you or not.
It is ironic that, according to one of your quotes, what makes waterboarding “not torture” is defined by who the victim is, not the act. That is seriously warped.
We waterboard our Navy Seals and used to do it to all of our SERE course trainees...pilots and other military personnel.....it is not torture....and the fact that the actual POWs tell you this shows you are immune to facts.
When Stephen Crowder can undergo waterboarding as part of a Christmas show, it demonstrates how not torture waterboarding is...
There is a HUGE difference between being water boarded in friendly hands knowing you won’t die, and being in the hands of an enemy...waterboarded again and again. Let me know when you have experienced it.
No, there isn't.....the interrogators said the terrorists knew we weren't going to kill them because they had trained in resistance techniques.....they counted to 10 on their fingers so the interrogators could see them doing it since they knew each pour of water could only be 10 seconds...so the terrorists also knew they wouldn't be killed......and they still gave up the information....you don't know what you are talking about.
Let me know when you get your two front teeth knocked out with a chisel.....and if Christopher Hitchens can get waterboarded, I know I can too...can you loose two front teeth to a chisel?
I will be waterboarded by Americans using the CIA protocols...the ones used on the terrorists.... again, the socialists didn't do the same thing......
Nonsense.What I see is your claims don’t match the record recorded testimony...Of course it’s torture. You should know this as even the U.S. officially called it torture when the Japanese did it to our servicemen in WWII. You don’t get to redefine words to suit your agenda. Torture is physical or mental abuse. Convincing someone they’re drowning is absolutely mental abuse.waterboarding isn't torture.....we did it to our military personel....
What the Japanese did is not what we did.....you should try to know what you are talking about before you post....
We poured water over a cloth covering their faces, filling their sinuses....the Japanes forced hoses down the throats of POWs filling their stomachs to capcity, then jumped on the abdomens of the prisoners with both feet to force the water out explosively...
do you see what the difference in the two techniques are?
”Yuki placed some cloth on my face. And then with water from the faucet, they poured on me until I became unconscious. He repeated that four or five times.”
That isn't how the CIA did it.......not even close.....
Sorry, Paul Begala — You’re Still Wrong | National Review
I post this...
”Yuki placed some cloth on my face. And then with water from the faucet, they poured on me until I became unconscious. He repeated that four or five times.”
And then you post this...
In waterboarding as it is practiced by the U.S., cellophane or cloth is placed over the subject’s mouth to keep water out of nose and mouth.
... and you claim it’s not even close.
LOLOLLOLOLLet me know when you subject yourself to water boarding at the hands of an enemy captor and you have no idea whether they will kill you or not.They are both torture. Quit trying to defend it because it differs in degree.
Wrong......I will listen to the 3 POWs who actually know what torture is, because they endured it for years under the socialists...
McCain’s fellow POWs support waterboarding
When I was researching my book, “Courting Disaster,” I interviewed many of them, including Col. Bud Day, who received our nation’s highest award for valor, the Medal of Honor, for his heroic escape from a North Vietnamese prison camp.
When Day was returned to the prison, his right arm was broken in three places and he had been shot in the hand and thigh during his capture. But he continued to resist interrogation and provide false information — suffering such excruciating torture that he became totally physically debilitated and unable to perform even the simplest task for himself. In short, Day is an expert on the subject of torture. Here is what he says about CIA waterboarding:
“I am a supporter of waterboarding. It is not torture. Torture is really hurting someone. Waterboarding is just scaring someone, with no long-term injurious effects. It is a scare tactic that works.”
I asked Day in an e-mail what he would say to the CIA officer who waterboarded Khalid Sheik Mohammed, if he had the chance to speak with him. Day replied immediately: “YOU DID THE RIGHT THING.”
And the other Congressional of Medal Awardee...also agrees......waterboarding is not torture.....
Like Day, Col. Leo Thorsness was awarded the Medal of Honor for extraordinary heroism during the Vietnam War. He experienced excruciating torture during his captivity — his back broken, his body wrenched apart. He says what the CIA did to al-Qaeda terrorists in its custody was not torture:
“To me, waterboarding is intensive interrogation. It is not torture. Torture involves extreme, brutal pain — breaking bones, passing out from pain, beatings so severe that blood spatters the walls . . . when you pop shoulders out of joints.. . . In my mind, there’s a difference, and in most POWs’ minds there’s a difference.. . . I would not hesitate a second to use ‘enhanced interrogation,’ including waterboarding, if it would save the lives of innocent people.”
And the most famous supporter of water boarding......
Another torture victim who supports waterboarding is Adm. Jeremiah Denton — the POW who famously winked the word “T-O-R-T-U-R-E” in Morse code during a North Vietnamese propaganda interview.
It was the first message to the outside world that American prisoners were being tortured. Denton later received the Navy Cross for this courageous and costly act of defiance, for which he paid dearly when his captors figured out what he had done. I asked Denton if he thought waterboarding was torture. He told me:
“No, I think it’s persuasive.. . . The big, monstrous difference here is that the gentlemen we are waterboarding are people who swore to kill Americans. They will wreak any kind of torture just for the hell of it on anybody. When they are captured by the U.S., and we know or have reason to believe that they know of a subsequent event after 9/11, if you don’t interrogate them, more misery will take place.. . . Waterboarding is not an evil. Some of the things they did to us were torture. I passed out a dozen times from torture. We’re not exerting that kind of excruciation.”
It is ironic that, according to one of your quotes, what makes waterboarding “not torture” is defined by who the victim is, not the act. That is seriously warped.
Hey,...I'll undergo waterboarding it you undergo actual torture...we'll make it a contest...I will be waterboarded, you will have your front two teeth knocked out with a hammer and chisel...then we will compare notes and discuss which is torture and which isn't...
I like how you try to argue Waterboarding is not torture because knocking out someone’s teeth is.
3 actual experts in torture say it isn't...you might want to pay attention to people who know what they are talking about....
McCain’s fellow POWs support waterboarding
When I was researching my book, “Courting Disaster,” I interviewed many of them, including Col. Bud Day, who received our nation’s highest award for valor, the Medal of Honor, for his heroic escape from a North Vietnamese prison camp.
When Day was returned to the prison, his right arm was broken in three places and he had been shot in the hand and thigh during his capture. But he continued to resist interrogation and provide false information — suffering such excruciating torture that he became totally physically debilitated and unable to perform even the simplest task for himself. In short, Day is an expert on the subject of torture. Here is what he says about CIA waterboarding:
“I am a supporter of waterboarding. It is not torture. Torture is really hurting someone. Waterboarding is just scaring someone, with no long-term injurious effects. It is a scare tactic that works.”
I asked Day in an e-mail what he would say to the CIA officer who waterboarded Khalid Sheik Mohammed, if he had the chance to speak with him. Day replied immediately: “YOU DID THE RIGHT THING.”
And the other Congressional of Medal Awardee...also agrees......waterboarding is not torture.....
Like Day, Col. Leo Thorsness was awarded the Medal of Honor for extraordinary heroism during the Vietnam War. He experienced excruciating torture during his captivity — his back broken, his body wrenched apart. He says what the CIA did to al-Qaeda terrorists in its custody was not torture:
“To me, waterboarding is intensive interrogation. It is not torture. Torture involves extreme, brutal pain — breaking bones, passing out from pain, beatings so severe that blood spatters the walls . . . when you pop shoulders out of joints.. . . In my mind, there’s a difference, and in most POWs’ minds there’s a difference.. . . I would not hesitate a second to use ‘enhanced interrogation,’ including waterboarding, if it would save the lives of innocent people.”
And the most famous supporter of water boarding......
Another torture victim who supports waterboarding is Adm. Jeremiah Denton — the POW who famously winked the word “T-O-R-T-U-R-E” in Morse code during a North Vietnamese propaganda interview.
It was the first message to the outside world that American prisoners were being tortured. Denton later received the Navy Cross for this courageous and costly act of defiance, for which he paid dearly when his captors figured out what he had done. I asked Denton if he thought waterboarding was torture. He told me:
“No, I think it’s persuasive.. . . The big, monstrous difference here is that the gentlemen we are waterboarding are people who swore to kill Americans. They will wreak any kind of torture just for the hell of it on anybody. When they are captured by the U.S., and we know or have reason to believe that they know of a subsequent event after 9/11, if you don’t interrogate them, more misery will take place.. . . Waterboarding is not an evil. Some of the things they did to us were torture. I passed out a dozen times from torture. We’re not exerting that kind of excruciation.”
LOLNonsense.What I see is your claims don’t match the record recorded testimony...Of course it’s torture. You should know this as even the U.S. officially called it torture when the Japanese did it to our servicemen in WWII. You don’t get to redefine words to suit your agenda. Torture is physical or mental abuse. Convincing someone they’re drowning is absolutely mental abuse.
What the Japanese did is not what we did.....you should try to know what you are talking about before you post....
We poured water over a cloth covering their faces, filling their sinuses....the Japanes forced hoses down the throats of POWs filling their stomachs to capcity, then jumped on the abdomens of the prisoners with both feet to force the water out explosively...
do you see what the difference in the two techniques are?
”Yuki placed some cloth on my face. And then with water from the faucet, they poured on me until I became unconscious. He repeated that four or five times.”
That isn't how the CIA did it.......not even close.....
Sorry, Paul Begala — You’re Still Wrong | National Review
I post this...
”Yuki placed some cloth on my face. And then with water from the faucet, they poured on me until I became unconscious. He repeated that four or five times.”
And then you post this...
In waterboarding as it is practiced by the U.S., cellophane or cloth is placed over the subject’s mouth to keep water out of nose and mouth.
... and you claim it’s not even close.
No...it isn't even close....the CIA poured for 10 seconds at a time, allowing recovery between pours...the Japanese, from your account didn't do that....and that was just one thing they did with water
LOLNonsense.What I see is your claims don’t match the record recorded testimony...What the Japanese did is not what we did.....you should try to know what you are talking about before you post....
We poured water over a cloth covering their faces, filling their sinuses....the Japanes forced hoses down the throats of POWs filling their stomachs to capcity, then jumped on the abdomens of the prisoners with both feet to force the water out explosively...
do you see what the difference in the two techniques are?
”Yuki placed some cloth on my face. And then with water from the faucet, they poured on me until I became unconscious. He repeated that four or five times.”
That isn't how the CIA did it.......not even close.....
Sorry, Paul Begala — You’re Still Wrong | National Review
I post this...
”Yuki placed some cloth on my face. And then with water from the faucet, they poured on me until I became unconscious. He repeated that four or five times.”
And then you post this...
In waterboarding as it is practiced by the U.S., cellophane or cloth is placed over the subject’s mouth to keep water out of nose and mouth.
... and you claim it’s not even close.
No...it isn't even close....the CIA poured for 10 seconds at a time, allowing recovery between pours...the Japanese, from your account didn't do that....and that was just one thing they did with water
Now you’re actually trying to argue the same technique is not waterboarding because we do it for only 10 seconds.
Even worse for you — once again, you claims don’t match reality as the CIA said the process lasted between 20 to 40 seconds...
Let me know when you subject yourself to water boarding at the hands of an enemy captor and you have no idea whether they will kill you or not.They are both torture. Quit trying to defend it because it differs in degree.Of course it’s torture. You should know this as even the U.S. officially called it torture when the Japanese did it to our servicemen in WWII. You don’t get to redefine words to suit your agenda. Torture is physical or mental abuse. Convincing someone they’re drowning is absolutely mental abuse.waterboarding isn't torture.....we did it to our military personel....
What the Japanese did is not what we did.....you should try to know what you are talking about before you post....
We poured water over a cloth covering their faces, filling their sinuses....the Japanes forced hoses down the throats of POWs filling their stomachs to capcity, then jumped on the abdomens of the prisoners with both feet to force the water out explosively...
do you see what the difference in the two techniques are?
Wrong......I will listen to the 3 POWs who actually know what torture is, because they endured it for years under the socialists...
McCain’s fellow POWs support waterboarding
When I was researching my book, “Courting Disaster,” I interviewed many of them, including Col. Bud Day, who received our nation’s highest award for valor, the Medal of Honor, for his heroic escape from a North Vietnamese prison camp.
When Day was returned to the prison, his right arm was broken in three places and he had been shot in the hand and thigh during his capture. But he continued to resist interrogation and provide false information — suffering such excruciating torture that he became totally physically debilitated and unable to perform even the simplest task for himself. In short, Day is an expert on the subject of torture. Here is what he says about CIA waterboarding:
“I am a supporter of waterboarding. It is not torture. Torture is really hurting someone. Waterboarding is just scaring someone, with no long-term injurious effects. It is a scare tactic that works.”
I asked Day in an e-mail what he would say to the CIA officer who waterboarded Khalid Sheik Mohammed, if he had the chance to speak with him. Day replied immediately: “YOU DID THE RIGHT THING.”
And the other Congressional of Medal Awardee...also agrees......waterboarding is not torture.....
Like Day, Col. Leo Thorsness was awarded the Medal of Honor for extraordinary heroism during the Vietnam War. He experienced excruciating torture during his captivity — his back broken, his body wrenched apart. He says what the CIA did to al-Qaeda terrorists in its custody was not torture:
“To me, waterboarding is intensive interrogation. It is not torture. Torture involves extreme, brutal pain — breaking bones, passing out from pain, beatings so severe that blood spatters the walls . . . when you pop shoulders out of joints.. . . In my mind, there’s a difference, and in most POWs’ minds there’s a difference.. . . I would not hesitate a second to use ‘enhanced interrogation,’ including waterboarding, if it would save the lives of innocent people.”
And the most famous supporter of water boarding......
Another torture victim who supports waterboarding is Adm. Jeremiah Denton — the POW who famously winked the word “T-O-R-T-U-R-E” in Morse code during a North Vietnamese propaganda interview.
It was the first message to the outside world that American prisoners were being tortured. Denton later received the Navy Cross for this courageous and costly act of defiance, for which he paid dearly when his captors figured out what he had done. I asked Denton if he thought waterboarding was torture. He told me:
“No, I think it’s persuasive.. . . The big, monstrous difference here is that the gentlemen we are waterboarding are people who swore to kill Americans. They will wreak any kind of torture just for the hell of it on anybody. When they are captured by the U.S., and we know or have reason to believe that they know of a subsequent event after 9/11, if you don’t interrogate them, more misery will take place.. . . Waterboarding is not an evil. Some of the things they did to us were torture. I passed out a dozen times from torture. We’re not exerting that kind of excruciation.”
It is ironic that, according to one of your quotes, what makes waterboarding “not torture” is defined by who the victim is, not the act. That is seriously warped.
