JoeB131
Diamond Member
Guy, the problem with arguing science with you - whether it be ebola, evolution or climate change - is that after I've explained it to you, you still wouldn't understand.
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We know Iraq had chemical weapons all along because we sold them to them.
That may be but the punchline for the past 9 or 10 years is that there were no WMD's. Go out and ask 100 people today and 95% of them will say no WMD's.
This isnt a thread about whether we should have went or not.........its about how crooked our government is. No wonder Obama lies every day.......he got it from Bush!!!
We're getting hosed s0ns!!! They want all this partisan bickering going on while they amass more and more government power!!
It may boil down to ones definition of "weapon of mass destruction." I generally think of nuclear bombs capable of mass physical damage. I've never really thought of chemical weapons as WMDs but I suppose that they are in a sense when you think of the damage done to human life and health. So, from that perspective, I suppose WMDs did exist but I was honestly expecting our troops to find "big time" nuclear warheads. So I must say that when those types of WMDs weren't actually found I did lose confidence in Bush's administration as a result.
A weapon of mass destruction (WMD or WoMD) is a nuclear, radiological, biological, chemical or other weapon that can kill and bring significant harm to a large number of humans or cause great damage to man-made structures (e.g. buildings), natural structures (e.g. mountains), or the biosphere.
Why would you think we would find nuclear war heads? It was stated by Bush he was seeking nuclear weapons- not that he had them, and 550 tons of yellowcake (uranium)were removed from Iraq. He stated we know they have chemical weapons and biological weapons, which all the allies and even those not, agreed with, from all their combined intelligence. Was some intelligence faulty? Yes? Was some correct? Yes. Were some weapons moved out if Iraq before we hit them to Syria? Very likely, as Assad has used some very recently.
You have been blaming Bush for your lack of attention to what was said, and more than likely, listening to the left media crying out nothing was found and Bush lied, when indeed wmd was found.
And the definition of wmd's is-
Weapon of mass destruction
A weapon of mass destruction (WMD or WoMD) is a nuclear, radiological, biological, chemical or other weapon that can kill and bring significant harm to a large number of humans or cause great damage to man-made structures (e.g. buildings), natural structures (e.g. mountains), or the biosphere.
We know Iraq had chemical weapons all along because we sold them to them.
That may be but the punchline for the past 9 or 10 years is that there were no WMD's. Go out and ask 100 people today and 95% of them will say no WMD's.
This isnt a thread about whether we should have went or not.........its about how crooked our government is. No wonder Obama lies every day.......he got it from Bush!!!
We're getting hosed s0ns!!! They want all this partisan bickering going on while they amass more and more government power!!
It may boil down to ones definition of "weapon of mass destruction." I generally think of nuclear bombs capable of mass physical damage. I've never really thought of chemical weapons as WMDs but I suppose that they are in a sense when you think of the damage done to human life and health. So, from that perspective, I suppose WMDs did exist but I was honestly expecting our troops to find "big time" nuclear warheads. So I must say that when those types of WMDs weren't actually found I did lose confidence in Bush's administration as a result.
A weapon of mass destruction (WMD or WoMD) is a nuclear, radiological, biological, chemical or other weapon that can kill and bring significant harm to a large number of humans or cause great damage to man-made structures (e.g. buildings), natural structures (e.g. mountains), or the biosphere.
Except a Chemical Weapon barely qualifies under that definition. The fact is, Chemical weapons are only useful if you use a whole lot of them and the people you are using them on have no protection.
Bush took advantage of a period of fear after 9/11 to manipulate us into a war we had no business fighting. Shame on us for letting him do it.
What driftingsand said....AGREE!Why would you think we would find nuclear war heads? It was stated by Bush he was seeking nuclear weapons- not that he had them, and 550 tons of yellowcake (uranium)were removed from Iraq. He stated we know they have chemical weapons and biological weapons, which all the allies and even those not, agreed with, from all their combined intelligence. Was some intelligence faulty? Yes? Was some correct? Yes. Were some weapons moved out if Iraq before we hit them to Syria? Very likely, as Assad has used some very recently.
You have been blaming Bush for your lack of attention to what was said, and more than likely, listening to the left media crying out nothing was found and Bush lied, when indeed wmd was found.
And the definition of wmd's is-
Weapon of mass destruction
A weapon of mass destruction (WMD or WoMD) is a nuclear, radiological, biological, chemical or other weapon that can kill and bring significant harm to a large number of humans or cause great damage to man-made structures (e.g. buildings), natural structures (e.g. mountains), or the biosphere.
We know Iraq had chemical weapons all along because we sold them to them.
That may be but the punchline for the past 9 or 10 years is that there were no WMD's. Go out and ask 100 people today and 95% of them will say no WMD's.
This isnt a thread about whether we should have went or not.........its about how crooked our government is. No wonder Obama lies every day.......he got it from Bush!!!
We're getting hosed s0ns!!! They want all this partisan bickering going on while they amass more and more government power!!
It may boil down to ones definition of "weapon of mass destruction." I generally think of nuclear bombs capable of mass physical damage. I've never really thought of chemical weapons as WMDs but I suppose that they are in a sense when you think of the damage done to human life and health. So, from that perspective, I suppose WMDs did exist but I was honestly expecting our troops to find "big time" nuclear warheads. So I must say that when those types of WMDs weren't actually found I did lose confidence in Bush's administration as a result.
You make some good points. Ultimately, though, we didn't find all the "Weapons Of Mass Destruction" that the government and the media harped about in lock-step unison for weeks and weeks and weeks. I got so tired of that term that I wanted to choke someone. Today the "buzz words" are ISIS, ISIL, and Ebola. Everyone gets on a "scare" kick and rides the bandwagon until the wheels wear off.
Anyway, my main beef with the Bush administration was that he claimed to go to war with Iraq over WMDs when there were lots of other, more dangerous nations that have WMDs (verifiable) that we totally left alone (even to this day): Pakistan, China, North Korea, Russia, etc. (to name a few). These nations are guilty of crimes against their people and they have WMDs but we treat them as if they're cuddly and cute allies (especially China and Pakistan). So I was disgusted by this double standard.
Why would you think we would find nuclear war heads? It was stated by Bush he was seeking nuclear weapons- not that he had them, and 550 tons of yellowcake (uranium)were removed from Iraq. He stated we know they have chemical weapons and biological weapons, which all the allies and even those not, agreed with, from all their combined intelligence. Was some intelligence faulty? Yes? Was some correct? Yes. Were some weapons moved out if Iraq before we hit them to Syria? Very likely, as Assad has used some very recently.
You have been blaming Bush for your lack of attention to what was said, and more than likely, listening to the left media crying out nothing was found and Bush lied, when indeed wmd was found.
And the definition of wmd's is-
Weapon of mass destruction
A weapon of mass destruction (WMD or WoMD) is a nuclear, radiological, biological, chemical or other weapon that can kill and bring significant harm to a large number of humans or cause great damage to man-made structures (e.g. buildings), natural structures (e.g. mountains), or the biosphere.
We know Iraq had chemical weapons all along because we sold them to them.
That may be but the punchline for the past 9 or 10 years is that there were no WMD's. Go out and ask 100 people today and 95% of them will say no WMD's.
This isnt a thread about whether we should have went or not.........its about how crooked our government is. No wonder Obama lies every day.......he got it from Bush!!!
We're getting hosed s0ns!!! They want all this partisan bickering going on while they amass more and more government power!!
It may boil down to ones definition of "weapon of mass destruction." I generally think of nuclear bombs capable of mass physical damage. I've never really thought of chemical weapons as WMDs but I suppose that they are in a sense when you think of the damage done to human life and health. So, from that perspective, I suppose WMDs did exist but I was honestly expecting our troops to find "big time" nuclear warheads. So I must say that when those types of WMDs weren't actually found I did lose confidence in Bush's administration as a result.
You make some good points. Ultimately, though, we didn't find all the "Weapons Of Mass Destruction" that the government and the media harped about in lock-step unison for weeks and weeks and weeks. I got so tired of that term that I wanted to choke someone. Today the "buzz words" are ISIS, ISIL, and Ebola. Everyone gets on a "scare" kick and rides the bandwagon until the wheels wear off.
Anyway, my main beef with the Bush administration was that he claimed to go to war with Iraq over WMDs when there were lots of other, more dangerous nations that have WMDs (verifiable) that we totally left alone (even to this day): Pakistan, China, North Korea, Russia, etc. (to name a few). These nations are guilty of crimes against their people and they have WMDs but we treat them as if they're cuddly and cute allies (especially China and Pakistan). So I was disgusted by this double standard.
"Participants in the chemical weapons discoveries said the United States suppressed knowledge of finds for multiple reasons, including that the government bristled at further acknowledgment it had been wrong. “They needed something to say that after Sept. 11 Saddam used chemical rounds,” Mr. Lampier said. “And all of this was from the pre-1991 era.”"
Ibid
Of course no one likes criticism. But some folks expect to be able to lie their way out of being held responsible when they make a mistake.
This sounds exactly like the mindset of the Liberals in the White House making the decisions which led to the deaths of four Americans in Benghazi on the day & night of 9/11/12.
Liberals can not be trusted with great power. They do this shit instinctively.
Hardwiring.
That's why Mitt Romney lost.
He isn't a well practiced liar.
Romney is a Mormon. Mormons can't tell the difference between truth and lies. They are really that stupid.
A weapon of mass destruction (WMD or WoMD) is a nuclear, radiological, biological, chemical or other weapon that can kill and bring significant harm to a large number of humans or cause great damage to man-made structures (e.g. buildings), natural structures (e.g. mountains), or the biosphere.
Except a Chemical Weapon barely qualifies under that definition. The fact is, Chemical weapons are only useful if you use a whole lot of them and the people you are using them on have no protection.
Bush took advantage of a period of fear after 9/11 to manipulate us into a war we had no business fighting. Shame on us for letting him do it.
From a practical perspective, what is your opinion of the effects of VX vs. say, Ebola?
If you had a choice, which one would you choose?
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It would depend what protective equipment I had. Ebola is only spread through the passing of bodily fluids.
Not that I buy for a moment that Saddam trucked his goodies to Syria when Bashir Assad was his enemy. But what you are saying is that Bush lied about where the weapons went.
And, no, invading a country that had nothing to do with Al Qaeda did not diminish Al Qaeda. IN fact, what it did do was lose most of the international sympathy we had with the rest of the world, as we kind of looked like the jackasses when there wreen't any WMD's found.
Hey, I told ya what happened and why......not my duty to correct your sorry horseshit further. Just understand that when you spew your ignorant crap around folks who know better....well, you'll just get laughed at.
Okay, guy, nobody looks at the Iraq War and says, "What a great thing that was".
Sarin gas -Within seconds, your muscles become paralyzed, so you cannot breathe. Then come intense vomiting and likely seizures. The heart stops beating.
That is only your opinion, joe, not the international communities opinion, though, thus why they are considered wmd.
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Bush saved us from the war Obama is trying to start.
Sometimes, this facet of Romney’s personality isn’t so subtle. In July 1996, the 14-year-old daughter of Robert Gay, a partner at Bain Capital, had disappeared. She had attended a rave party in New York City and gotten high on ecstasy. Three days later, her distraught father had no idea where she was. Romney took immediate action. He closed down the entire firm and asked all 30 partners and employees to fly to New York to help find Gay’s daughter.
Sometimes, this facet of Romney’s personality isn’t so subtle. In July 1996, the 14-year-old daughter of Robert Gay, a partner at Bain Capital, had disappeared. She had attended a rave party in New York City and gotten high on ecstasy. Three days later, her distraught father had no idea where she was. Romney took immediate action. He closed down the entire firm and asked all 30 partners and employees to fly to New York to help find Gay’s daughter.
Wow, so a fellow Rich Mormon Douchebag had a daughter who went out and had a little fun, and gosh darn, the police weren't treating it like big deal.
Maybe that kid just wanted to get the fuck out of that sick ass cult.
Do you think he would have went ahead and shut down the whole company because some Lady at AmPad's daughter didn't come home from a party? Fuck no, he'd give her a pink slip for not showing up.
Sometimes, this facet of Romney’s personality isn’t so subtle. In July 1996, the 14-year-old daughter of Robert Gay, a partner at Bain Capital, had disappeared. She had attended a rave party in New York City and gotten high on ecstasy. Three days later, her distraught father had no idea where she was. Romney took immediate action. He closed down the entire firm and asked all 30 partners and employees to fly to New York to help find Gay’s daughter.
Wow, so a fellow Rich Mormon Douchebag had a daughter who went out and had a little fun, and gosh darn, the police weren't treating it like big deal.
Maybe that kid just wanted to get the fuck out of that sick ass cult.
Do you think he would have went ahead and shut down the whole company because some Lady at AmPad's daughter didn't come home from a party? Fuck no, he'd give her a pink slip for not showing up.
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Bush saved us from the war Obama is trying to start.
Obama wouldn't have to fight a war if Bush hadn't fucked up and deposed Saddam.
That's a lie.So Bush didn't lie.We know Iraq had chemical weapons all along because we sold them to them.
End of story.
They found not a single WMD! They found Ws that lacked any MD. Not only did the Ws lack any MD, they lacked any D!!!!!. That's right, some of the Ws went off or leaked as they were being transported and NO ONE DIED!!!!!!![
Bush saved us from the war Obama is trying to start.
Obama wouldn't have to fight a war if Bush hadn't fucked up and deposed Saddam.
There's always some poor dumb bastard who fails to read the memo.
The news came out just this week...they found the WMD's.
They'd found them early on after the libs had already declared there weren't any and that W had lied.
Well, he didn't lie. He just didn't bother to defend the truth, which was that they found lots of WMD's! But W decided not to publicize it on the belief that it would help nothing to try to defend the administration which was already hated by the left so they figured "why bother setting the record straight?"