Yeah…more gun control in Europe..that's the ticket…since the illegal guns were obtained illegally...

[2aguy]

Cite?
Feel free to never come here - your absence is welcome.

You guys are making the assertion that there are more firearms deaths in gun-free zones than not. It's yours to assert. I'm giving an alternative. I have no idea. Thing is, neither do you.

Absolutely. I have no reason or rhyme to ever visit the US..

All but a few of the mass shootings in this country happened in gun free zones. All of the shootings in Europe occur in gun free zones...nothing to assert...it is a fact.

 

[Dr Grump]

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Yeah....your countrymen disagree with your assessment of ownership rates...

Australia reloads as gun amnesties fail to cut arms


Australians own as many guns now as they did at the time of the Port Arthur massacre, despite more than 1 million firearms being handed in and destroyed, new research reveals.

A University of Sydney study has shown there has been a steady increase in guns imported into the country over the past decade, with the number of privately owned guns now at the same level as 1996.

Estimates suggest there were 3.2 million firearms in Australia at the time of the Tasmanian tragedy, in which 35 people were killed and 23 injured.

Read more: Australia reloads as gun amnesties fail to cut arms
Follow us: @smh on Twitter | sydneymorningherald on Facebook

You should really read your on link...thoroughly..

He said that because of law changes, the new guns were not military-style semi-automatics, which were banned and surrendered after Port Arthur, and that handguns were now harder to import into Australia.

 

[2aguy]

it is patently ridiculous to mandate bio locks on firearms

such a move would be careless and dangerous

Well the cops are for it. They won't get shot with their own guns then.

So me one Police Force that is mandating these things for their officers.

You can't get them here, they just want them.

Bullshit.

No gun in the US will allow them in. They ones that tried received death threats, Here are the guns the NRA doesn't want you to get

No twit.....what you don't say is that there are a couple of states, New Jersey for one, that have laws on the books that will mandate...mandate, that all gun sold in the state must be smart guns as soon as the first smart gun goes on sale....that mandate is why they are fighting against the smart gun.....there will be no choice.....an unreliable pistol will be the only one they will allow to be sold...twit.

 

[2aguy]

[


Yeah....your countrymen disagree with your assessment of ownership rates...

Australia reloads as gun amnesties fail to cut arms


Australians own as many guns now as they did at the time of the Port Arthur massacre, despite more than 1 million firearms being handed in and destroyed, new research reveals.

A University of Sydney study has shown there has been a steady increase in guns imported into the country over the past decade, with the number of privately owned guns now at the same level as 1996.

Estimates suggest there were 3.2 million firearms in Australia at the time of the Tasmanian tragedy, in which 35 people were killed and 23 injured.

Read more: Australia reloads as gun amnesties fail to cut arms
Follow us: @smh on Twitter | sydneymorningherald on Facebook

You should really read your on link...thoroughly..

He said that because of law changes, the new guns were not military-style semi-automatics, which were banned and surrendered after Port Arthur, and that handguns were now harder to import into Australia.

Import...yeah....they are smuggling them in ........

 

[Dr Grump]

And more on Australia...

Gun crime in Australia: as bad as we think? | Peter Winters



Official statistics fluctuate from year to year and recently there does appear to have been an upsurge in gun violence and consequent deaths, particularly, it seems, in Western Sydney. Conflict between rival criminal gangs in the region is often reported prominently in the media, sometimes, unfortunately, in a sensational way that doesn’t reflect the realities of community life. Criminal activity is as much a part of life in this area as it is anywhere, but there isn’t a gang in every street. Even so, the Australian Bureau of Statistics ranked NSW as the state with by far the highest incidence of firearm use in criminal acts 2012, and Australia-wide it also appears that the number of people who possess firearms has returned to 1996 levels.

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We might be hearing more about firearms on Australian streets these days, as well as about the unfortunate people who fall victim to them. But at least it isn’t a silent issue. Every reported discovery of illegal firearms foils another dangerous criminal’s intention to do harm. The more we hear about this issue, the more convinced we can be that our law enforcers are doing the right job.

And this is after the confiscation.......and the gun murder rate in the U.S. is going down, not up, and we have 13 million people actually carrying guns for self defense...

I say again, please read your own links. This from the FIRST paragraph..

"It depends on who you talk to. Gun crime in Australia is either in decline, or it’s at an all-time high. The question of firearm ownership – illegal or not – has remained very active in Australian public debate ever since the tragic mass shooting at Port Arthur in April 1996. The firearm buy-back scheme that followed does seem to have had the very important and positive result of preventing incidents on a similarly horrifying scale: nothing like that shooting has happened since."

The first bolded part suggests your writer doesn't even know. Hardly a compelling arguement for your POV. The second bold part is the whole reason for buy back and confiscation in the first place. Looks like a resounding success to me..

 

[2aguy]

it is patently ridiculous to mandate bio locks on firearms

such a move would be careless and dangerous

Well the cops are for it. They won't get shot with their own guns then.

So me one Police Force that is mandating these things for their officers.

You can't get them here, they just want them.

Bullshit.

No gun in the US will allow them in. They ones that tried received death threats, Here are the guns the NRA doesn't want you to get

From your link twit....


he chill on smart guns in the United States is to some degree the unintended consequence of a 2002 New Jersey law that would phase out the sale of conventional guns in that state; the law requires New Jersey gun dealers to sell only smart guns once they become available in retail stores anywhere else in the country. The law was intended to spur the market for the technologically innovative weapons, whose backers believe they could enhance safety and help reduce certain types of gun violence, such as attacks with stolen firearms and the all too common accidental shootings deaths of children. But the law badly backfired by becoming fodder for gun-rights activists, who argued that smart guns are part of a government plot to track and ultimately ban all guns.

 

[2aguy]

And more on Australia...

Gun crime in Australia: as bad as we think? | Peter Winters



Official statistics fluctuate from year to year and recently there does appear to have been an upsurge in gun violence and consequent deaths, particularly, it seems, in Western Sydney. Conflict between rival criminal gangs in the region is often reported prominently in the media, sometimes, unfortunately, in a sensational way that doesn’t reflect the realities of community life. Criminal activity is as much a part of life in this area as it is anywhere, but there isn’t a gang in every street. Even so, the Australian Bureau of Statistics ranked NSW as the state with by far the highest incidence of firearm use in criminal acts 2012, and Australia-wide it also appears that the number of people who possess firearms has returned to 1996 levels.

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We might be hearing more about firearms on Australian streets these days, as well as about the unfortunate people who fall victim to them. But at least it isn’t a silent issue. Every reported discovery of illegal firearms foils another dangerous criminal’s intention to do harm. The more we hear about this issue, the more convinced we can be that our law enforcers are doing the right job.

And this is after the confiscation.......and the gun murder rate in the U.S. is going down, not up, and we have 13 million people actually carrying guns for self defense...

I say again, please read your own links. This from the FIRST paragraph..

"It depends on who you talk to. Gun crime in Australia is either in decline, or it’s at an all-time high. The question of firearm ownership – illegal or not – has remained very active in Australian public debate ever since the tragic mass shooting at Port Arthur in April 1996. The firearm buy-back scheme that followed does seem to have had the very important and positive result of preventing incidents on a similarly horrifying scale: nothing like that shooting has happened since."

The first bolded part suggests your writer doesn't even know. Hardly a compelling arguement for your POV. The second bold part is the whole reason for buy back and confiscation in the first place. Looks like a resounding success to me..

The firearm buy-back scheme that followed does seem to have had the very important and positive result of preventing incidents on a similarly horrifying scale: nothing like that shooting has happened since."

And that would be incorrect.....

 

[Dr Grump]

All but a few of the mass shootings in this country happened in gun free zones. All of the shootings in Europe occur in gun free zones...nothing to assert...it is a fact.

Most of Europe is a gun-free zone so the chances of something happening in such an area is quite high. It's like ordering a chocolate ice-cream and getting one. Pretty weird argument.

 

[Dr Grump]

And that would be incorrect.....

Which part? And if so please provide stats..ta

 

[2aguy]

And more on Australia...

Gun crime in Australia: as bad as we think? | Peter Winters



Official statistics fluctuate from year to year and recently there does appear to have been an upsurge in gun violence and consequent deaths, particularly, it seems, in Western Sydney. Conflict between rival criminal gangs in the region is often reported prominently in the media, sometimes, unfortunately, in a sensational way that doesn’t reflect the realities of community life. Criminal activity is as much a part of life in this area as it is anywhere, but there isn’t a gang in every street. Even so, the Australian Bureau of Statistics ranked NSW as the state with by far the highest incidence of firearm use in criminal acts 2012, and Australia-wide it also appears that the number of people who possess firearms has returned to 1996 levels.

---------------

We might be hearing more about firearms on Australian streets these days, as well as about the unfortunate people who fall victim to them. But at least it isn’t a silent issue. Every reported discovery of illegal firearms foils another dangerous criminal’s intention to do harm. The more we hear about this issue, the more convinced we can be that our law enforcers are doing the right job.

And this is after the confiscation.......and the gun murder rate in the U.S. is going down, not up, and we have 13 million people actually carrying guns for self defense...

I say again, please read your own links. This from the FIRST paragraph..

"It depends on who you talk to. Gun crime in Australia is either in decline, or it’s at an all-time high. The question of firearm ownership – illegal or not – has remained very active in Australian public debate ever since the tragic mass shooting at Port Arthur in April 1996. The firearm buy-back scheme that followed does seem to have had the very important and positive result of preventing incidents on a similarly horrifying scale: nothing like that shooting has happened since."

The first bolded part suggests your writer doesn't even know. Hardly a compelling arguement for your POV. The second bold part is the whole reason for buy back and confiscation in the first place. Looks like a resounding success to me..

Timeline of major crimes in Australia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

• 16 January 1998 to 15 June 2009 – Melbourne gangland killings – A series of 35 murders of crime figures and their associates that began with the slaying of Alphonse Gangitano in his home, most likely by Jason Moran, the latest victim being Des Moran who was murdered in Ascot Vale on 15 June 2009.

• 25 January 1996 – Hillcrest murders – Peter May shot and killed his three children, his estranged wife and her parents in the Brisbane suburb of Hillcrest before killing himself.[54]

• 16 August 1998 – Victorian police officers Gary Silk and Rodney Miller were shot dead in an ambush by Bendali Debs and Jason Joseph Roberts in the Moorabbin Police murders.

• 3 August 1999 – La Trobe University shooting – Jonathan Brett Horrocks walked into the cafeteria in La Trobe university in Melbourne Victoria armed with a 38 caliber revolver handgun and opened fire killing Leon Capraro the boss and manager off the cafeteria and wounding a woman who was a student at the university.

• 13 March 2000 – Millewa State Forest Murders – Barbara and Stephen Brooks and Stacie Willoughby were found dead, all three having been shot execution style and left in the forest.[60][61]

• 26 May 2002 – A Vietnamese man walked into a Vietnamese wedding reception in Cabramatta Sydney, New South Wales armed with a handgun and opened fire wounding seven people.
• • 14 October 2002 – Dr. Margret Tobin, the South Australian head of Mental Health Services, was shot dead by Jean Eric Gassy as she walked out of a lift in her office building.
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  • 21 October 2002 – Monash University shooting – Huan Xiang opened fire in a tutorial room, killing two and injuring five.
  • 25 October 2003 – Greenacre double murder – A man and a woman are shot dead in a house in the suburb of Greenacre, Sydney which was the result of a feud between two Middle Eastern crime families, 24-year-old Ziad Abdulrazak was shot 10 times in the chest and head and 22-year-old Mervat Hamka was shot twice in the neck while she slept in her bedroom, up to 100 shots were fired into the house from four men who were later arrested and convicted of the murders.
  • 26 July 2004 – Security guard Karen Brown shot dead armed robber William Aquilina in a Sydney carpark after he violently bashed her and stole the hotel's takings. Brown was charged with murder but acquitted on the grounds of self-defence.[66][67]

• 18 June 2007 – Melbourne CBD shooting – Christopher Wayne Hudson opened fire on three people, killing one and seriously wounding two others who intervened when Hudson was assaulting his girlfriend at a busy Melbourne intersection during the morning peak. He gave himself up to police in Wallan, Victoria on 20 June.[71]

• 10 April 2010 – Rajesh Osborne shot and killed his three children, 12 year-old Asia, 10-year-old Jarius and 7-year-old Grace before killing himself in Roxburgh, Victoria.[citation needed]

• 28 April 2011 – 2011 Hectorville siege – Donato Anthony Corbo shot dead Kobus and Annetjie Snyman and their son-in-law Luc Mombers and seriously wounded Mr Mombers' 14-year-old son Marcel and a police officer at Hectorville, South Australia before being arrested after an eight-hour stand off.
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• 29 January 2012 – Giovanni Focarelli, son of Comancheros gang member Vincenzo Focarelli, was shot dead whilst Vincenzo survived the fourth attempt on his life.[79]

• 28 April 2012 – A man opened fire in a busy shopping mall in Robina on the Gold Coast shooting Bandidos bikie Jacques Teamo. A woman who was an innocent bystander was also injured from a shotgun blast to the leg. Neither of the victims died, but the incident highlighted the recent increase in gun crime across major Australian cities including Sydney, Brisbane and Adelaide.[citation needed]

• 23 May 2012 – Christopher 'Badness' Binse, a career criminal well known to police, was arrested after a 44-hour siege at an East Keilor home in Melbourne's north west. During the siege, Binse fired several shots at police and refused to co-operate with negotiators; eventually tear gas had to be used to force him out of the house, at which point he refused to put down his weapon and was then sprayed with a volley of non-lethal bullets.[citation needed]

• 15 December 2012 – Aaron Carlino murdered drug dealer Stephen Cookson in his East Perth home by shooting him twice in the head and then he cut up and dismembered his body. He buried his arms legs and torso in the backyard of his house and he wrapped his head in a plastic bag and dumped it on Rottnest Island. The head of Cookson was later found washed up on Rottnest Island by an 11-year-old girl. Carlino was convicted of the murder and was sentenced to life in prison.[citation needed]
• 8 March 2013 – Queen Street mall siege – Lee Matthew Hiller entered the shopping mall on Queen Street Brisbane Queensland armed with a revolver and threatened shoppers and staff with the revolver, causing a 90-minute siege which ended when Hiller was shot and wounded in the arm by a police officer from the elite Specialist Emergency Response Team. Hiller was then later taken to hospital and was treated for his injury; he pleaded gulity to 20 charges and was sentenced to four-and-a-half years in jail with a non-parole period of two years and three months.[citation needed]
• 29 July 2013 – Two bikie gang associates, Vasko Boskovski and Bassil Hijazi were shot dead in two separate shooting incidents minutes apart in South West Sydney. The previous week Bassil Hijazi had survived a previous attempt against his life after he was shot inside his car.[citation needed]

• 9 September 2014 – Lockhart massacre – Geoff Hunt shot and killed his wife, Kim, his 10-year-old son Fletcher, and his daughters Mia, eight and Phoebe, six before killing himself on a farm in Lockhart in the Riverina district near Wagga Wagga New South Wales. The body of Geoff Hunt and a firearm are later found in a dam on the farm by police divers and a suicide note written by Geoff Hunt is also found inside the house on the farm.[citation needed]

• 22 October 2014 – Wedderburn shootings – Ian Jamieson shot dead Peter Lockhart, Peter's wife Mary and Mary's son Greg Holmes on two farm properties in Wedderburn, Victoria over a property dispute. Jamieson surrendered to police after a three-and-a-half hour siege.[citation needed]
• 7 November 2014 – Jordy Brook carjacked a Channel 7 news cameraman at gun point during a crime spree on the Sunshine Coast, Queensland. He was later captured and arrested by police after luring police on a high speed chase and crashing the car.[citation needed]

• 12 November 2014 – Jamie Edwards and Joelene Joyce a married couple who were drug dealers are found shot dead in a car on a highway in the town of Moama, New South Wales.[86]

• 15 December 2014 – 2014 Sydney hostage crisis – Seventeen people were taken hostage in a cafe in Martin Place, Sydney by Man Haron Monis. The hostage crisis was resolved in the early hours of 16 December, sixteen hours after it commenced, when armed police stormed the premises. Monis and two hostages were killed in the course of the crisis.[87]

• 27 June 2015 – Hermidale triple murder – the bodies of three people, two men and a woman are found shot dead on a property in a rural farming community in the town of Hermidale west of Nyngan, the bodies of 28-year-old Jacob Cumberland his father 59-year-old Stephen Cumberland and a 36-year-old woman were found with gun shot wounds, the body of Jacob Cumberland was found on the drive way of the property, the body of the 36-year-old woman was found in the backyard of the property and the body of Stephen Cumberland was found in a burnt out caravan on the property. 61-year-old Allan O'Connor is later arrested and charged with the murders.

• 10 September 2015 – A 49-year-old woman is shot dead in a Mc Donald's restaurant in Gold Coast by her 57-year-old ex partner, who then turned the gun on himself afterwards and shot himself dead.
• 2 October 2015 - 2015 Parramatta shooting On 2 October 2015, Farhad Khalil Mohammad Jabar, a 15-year-old boy, shot and killed Curtis Cheng, an unarmed police civilian finance worker, outside the New South Wales Police Force headquarters in Parramatta, Australia. Jabar was subsequently shot and killed by special constables who were protecting the police station.

 

[2aguy]

Notice...all of those shootings happened after the confiscation.....and there are the others......the only thing keeping them from being worse was that the person using the gun didn't decide to shoot more people...since he already had the illegal gun...

 

[2aguy]

All but a few of the mass shootings in this country happened in gun free zones. All of the shootings in Europe occur in gun free zones...nothing to assert...it is a fact.

Most of Europe is a gun-free zone so the chances of something happening in such an area is quite high. It's like ordering a chocolate ice-cream and getting one. Pretty weird argument.

No...it isn't quite high since we are constantly told here in the states that Europe has gun control...the kind of gun control we need over here........

And since criminals and terrorists can get any kind of gun they want...easily....Europe is only a gun free zone for law abiding Europeans...the one's who won't murder other people with guns...

 

[2aguy]

Grumpy....please explain that with all those shootings post confiscation....that the only thing that kept them from being worse was simply the shooter deciding not to shoot more people...right...? Since he had a gun, illegally, after the confiscation....and he was shooting people...illegally....

What kept them from going to a school, a movie theater or concert hall....? Your gun laws didn't stop mass shootings....the lack of desire by the shooters stopped the potential mass shootings....

 

[Dr Grump]

Notice...all of those shootings happened after the confiscation.....and there are the others......the only thing keeping them from being worse was that the person using the gun didn't decide to shoot more people...since he already had the illegal gun...

What I noticed was the most were domestic, drug or gang related. That's what i noticed. Not on the same scale as Port Arthur, nor were they a random act. The victims were known and targeted with most. Aurora, Sandy Hook and Virginia Tech were the result of whackos going bat shit. IOW, you're comparing apples and oranges.

Also, just as an FYI I posted a similar link on another thread that showed up until the end of Sept this year the US had had more than 300 instances this year alone. You've posted 25 instances over 18 years in Australia. About 1.3 a year. The US is at 300+ and counting for this year alone...

 

[jillian]

Yeah, more stupidity from the Europeans…….their gun control laws didn't work…..so they want "super dooper" gun control laws that will also be useless….the guns used were illegal to own, the people who obtained them illegally were prohibited by law to own them and they were used illegally to murder people……illegally…..

gun grabbers never learn…

Europe’s Reaction To Gun Control’s Failure To Stop Paris Attack? More Gun Control

and the first people shot were the armed guards.

 

[Dr Grump]

Grumpy....please explain that with all those shootings post confiscation....that the only thing that kept them from being worse was simply the shooter deciding not to shoot more people...right...? Since he had a gun, illegally, after the confiscation....and he was shooting people...illegally....

What kept them from going to a school, a movie theater or concert hall....? Your gun laws didn't stop mass shootings....the lack of desire by the shooters stopped the potential mass shootings....

For a start 16 of them the offenders and victims were known to each other so it to reason that once the event was over that is all the offender was interested in. Another three involved the police. That leaves about seven instances over an 18 year period - one every 2.5 years in a population of 24 million. I can live with that with gun confiscation being in place..

 

[M14 Shooter]

Cite?
Feel free to never come here - your absence is welcome.

You guys are making the assertion that there are more firearms deaths in gun-free zones than not. It's yours to assert. I'm giving an alternative. I have no idea. Thing is, neither do you.

Good to see you understand that you begged the question.

 

[martybegan]

it is patently ridiculous to mandate bio locks on firearms

such a move would be careless and dangerous

Well the cops are for it. They won't get shot with their own guns then.

So me one Police Force that is mandating these things for their officers.

You can't get them here, they just want them.

Bullshit.

No gun in the US will allow them in. They ones that tried received death threats, Here are the guns the NRA doesn't want you to get

The issue isn't that the "NRA doesn't want them". The issue is the second they become available governments will mandate their use, and their reliability is nowhere near proven yet.

Again, when I see police officers use the technology, then I will admit the technology has matured, however mandating the use of it is still wrong.

 

[martybegan]

Well the cops are for it. They won't get shot with their own guns then.

So me one Police Force that is mandating these things for their officers.

You can't get them here, they just want them.

Bullshit.

No gun in the US will allow them in. They ones that tried received death threats, Here are the guns the NRA doesn't want you to get

From your link twit....


he chill on smart guns in the United States is to some degree the unintended consequence of a 2002 New Jersey law that would phase out the sale of conventional guns in that state; the law requires New Jersey gun dealers to sell only smart guns once they become available in retail stores anywhere else in the country. The law was intended to spur the market for the technologically innovative weapons, whose backers believe they could enhance safety and help reduce certain types of gun violence, such as attacks with stolen firearms and the all too common accidental shootings deaths of children. But the law badly backfired by becoming fodder for gun-rights activists, who argued that smart guns are part of a government plot to track and ultimately ban all guns.

100% correct.

 

[beagle9]

Notice...all of those shootings happened after the confiscation.....and there are the others......the only thing keeping them from being worse was that the person using the gun didn't decide to shoot more people...since he already had the illegal gun...

What I noticed was the most were domestic, drug or gang related. That's what i noticed. Not on the same scale as Port Arthur, nor were they a random act. The victims were known and targeted with most. Aurora, Sandy Hook and Virginia Tech were the result of whackos going bat shit. IOW, you're comparing apples and oranges.

Also, just as an FYI I posted a similar link on another thread that showed up until the end of Sept this year the US had had more than 300 instances this year alone. You've posted 25 instances over 18 years in Australia. About 1.3 a year. The US is at 300+ and counting for this year alone...

Ummm and how big is the U.S. in comparison to Australia? You see these comparisons are never accurate because you are dealing with so many different variables, stats and circumstances that which are involved. Never comparing apples and oranges when dealing with totally different nations and populations.