"Yes, Gay Marriage Hurts Me Personally"

[JakeStarkey]

Spare is not being prevented from believing or worshiping as he wants. If he is a baker for employment, he is baking not worshiping if he is selling his ware publicly.

 

[Spare_change]

Absolute unmitigated nonsense.

I MUST bake the cake .... I MUST acknowledge the sanctity of their union ... I MUST avoid practicing my religion in public so as to avoid the ire of the government.

No- you must not bake any cake.
No- you must not acknowledge the sanctity of anyone's union.
No- there is nothing preventing you from practicing your religion in public.

It is all in your mind.

Absolute unmitigated nonsense.

I MUST bake the cake .... I MUST acknowledge the sanctity of their union ... I MUST avoid practicing my religion in public so as to avoid the ire of the government.

No- you must not bake any cake.
No- you must not acknowledge the sanctity of anyone's union.
No- there is nothing preventing you from practicing your religion in public.

It is all in your mind.

Christian bakers fined $135,000 for refusing to make wedding cake for lesbians

Christian bakers fined 135 000 for refusing to make wedding cake for lesbians Fox News

I must acknowledge the sanctity of their union, or be liable to discrimination charges. I must rent to them ... I must feed them ... I cannot refuse to have my charitable donations used to support them ... my taxes must support them ... etc., etc., etc.

There are currently three cases in federal court attempting to make any speech denigrating gays to be defined as 'hate speech' ....

As pointed out again- no one is forcing you to do anything- you are not a baker- you probably don't even live in a state that protects the rights of persons based upon their sexual orientation.

What you are whining about are public accommodation laws- which were in effect long before Friday's ruling- and have nothing to do with legal marriage.

You sure can refuse to have your charitable contributions support homosexuals- just pick the right charity- probably some charity right now that specializes in making sure that they don't help anyone who is homosexual.

Your taxes however- just like my taxes- are used to support Americans. Your church does not pay any taxes- my taxes support your religious choice- are my First Amendment Rights violated? I don't think so- but feel free to send me the moneys if you think that they are.

I am looking forward to your citation of the 'three cases in federal court attempting to make any speech denigrating gays to be defined 'hate speech'.

"I only ask that I be allowed to believe in my God, if I wish, and that I be allowed to worship in the manner in which I wish" does not mean that baking a cake is worship. Step along.

"... worship in the manner in which I wish ... "

What part of that don't you understand? What makes you think you are qualified to judge?

Tell us again who is preventing you from worshipping in the manner you wish- and how?

He can't say -- which is why he hasn't.

I have told you 47 times ... I refused to tell you the 48th. If you can't keep up, you probably should order the Cliff Notes (elementary school version) of the discussion.

Best I can make out- its something to do with you whining about your tax money supporting something you don't believe in like 'gay marriage' but you are okay with your tax money supporting Hindu's who worship a false god, and you are okay with atheists tax money being used to support your church...

600 posts and you STILL don't know what the hell we're talking about ....

Sorry, you've just plain got boring.

Have a nice day.

 

[Spare_change]

I am really wondering about the wierd cherry picking of these 'Christians'.

Most Christian flavors think that we are all sinners, and that the only way to be 'saved' is through believing in Jesus.

Therefore- I as an Atheist am a sinner in their view- and I am going to hell. And Hindu's- them too- they worship a 'false god'.

Logically they should be refusing to serve me- because that would be condoning my sin.

And of course refusing to serve Hindu's also.

But somehow- serving homosexuals is the only sin that they think will remove them from the grace of Jesus forever.

I don't get it.

That's exactly the point. To a Christian, everyone is a sinner and all sin is the same. They shouldn't be allowed to bake a wedding cake for anyone.

Where did you hear this bullshit???? Are you, too, one of the unwashed ignorant? You, once again, have embarrassed yourself.

Which part did I get wrong? Is everyone not a sinner?

Are sins different in G-d's judgment?

Which of those are wrong?

All of those are wrong .... have a nice day.

So we're not all sinners? We don't need Jesus to get into the Kingdom of G-d because we're not sinners?

And if you don't mind, show G-d's scorecard where he ranks sins. How else will I know which ones are worse than others?

Come to my church .... we'll explain it to you. Then, you can make an educated decision .... until then, you're just ignorant.

 

[Faun]

That's exactly the point. To a Christian, everyone is a sinner and all sin is the same. They shouldn't be allowed to bake a wedding cake for anyone.

Where did you hear this bullshit???? Are you, too, one of the unwashed ignorant? You, once again, have embarrassed yourself.

Which part did I get wrong? Is everyone not a sinner?

Are sins different in G-d's judgment?

Which of those are wrong?

All of those are wrong .... have a nice day.

So we're not all sinners? We don't need Jesus to get into the Kingdom of G-d because we're not sinners?

And if you don't mind, show G-d's scorecard where he ranks sins. How else will I know which ones are worse than others?

Come to my church .... we'll explain it to you. Then, you can make an educated decision .... until then, you're just ignorant.

Since I'm not going to your church, why don't you explain it to me? My understanding is that we're all sinners and need Jesus Christ to enter the Kingdom of G-d. What part of that is wrong? And explain which sins are worse than others....

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Well said SC...

And THAT Reader, was what is known in the Formal Debate world, as "A SPANKIN'!".

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Same sex marriage has become accepted by the majority of Americans because they've come to realize that they've been lied to by those who say it would adversely effect their heterosexual marriage. Those who continue to spout that line are the moral equivalent of Holocaust deniers.

harm to this nation. Just as legalizing abortion has debauched society.

God is not one to be mocked. So don’t.

I don't mock fairy tales- I mock those who insist I must believe in their fairy tales- and that we all are supposed to live our lives according your fairy tales.

I don't' give a good God damn how you live your life, who you sleep with, or what you consider fairy tales .... I only ask that I be allowed to believe in my God, if I wish, and that I be allowed to worship in the manner in which I wish .... I am getting sick and tired of know-it-all atheists trying to tell me how, when, and where to worship my God, telling me what sin I must support, and posing themselves as the know-all, be-all of something with which they are not the least be familiar.

You're truly delusional and ridiculous.

 

[Faun]

Well said SC...

And THAT Reader, was what is known in the Formal Debate world, as "A SPANKIN'!".

And your post is recognized as opening wide and splashing your uvula with SC's spunk. And here you've been pretending to be against gay sex. Then again, you did boast of being gay rather proudly.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Spare is simply delusional and Keys is challenged by his inner same sex.

The Spanking came last week, folks, when SCOTUS opined that marriage could include same sex couples.

You don't like it, no one is bothered by it.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

You're truly delusional and ridiculous.

ROFLMNAO!

I SO adore the sweeter ironies.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Keys' submission is noted and duly accepted.

 

[AvgGuyIA]

We are going to celebrate the 4th here in a few days.

All Americans are free. Why would anyone want to deny civil rights to others, particularly when such a right in no way infringes on anyone.?

It's good to be an American.

Men marrying men is unnatural.

 

[AvgGuyIA]

Deniers, deniers, deniers. What can I say? The country is leaving you behind.

"What we’re really talking about is a group of people are resentful because they know they’ve been left behind by modernity, by science, by education, by art, by literature—the rest of us are getting on with our lives. These people are standing on a hill top waiting for the end and this is a dangerous group of people to have as neighbors. And they’re our national neighbors. And this is the source of all these insanities that we see leveled at the President. One way or the other they go back to this little evangelical subculture. It’s a disaster."

Frank Schaeffer The GOP s Evangelical Subculture Is A Fifth Column Of Insanity Crooks and Liars

Of all the posters on USMB, you are the fullest of shit. If gay msrriage is popular, then put it to a popular vote.

 

[Faun]

We are going to celebrate the 4th here in a few days.

All Americans are free. Why would anyone want to deny civil rights to others, particularly when such a right in no way infringes on anyone.?

It's good to be an American.

Men marrying men is unnatural.

So is smoking cigarettes but that is legal too.

 

[Faun]

Deniers, deniers, deniers. What can I say? The country is leaving you behind.

"What we’re really talking about is a group of people are resentful because they know they’ve been left behind by modernity, by science, by education, by art, by literature—the rest of us are getting on with our lives. These people are standing on a hill top waiting for the end and this is a dangerous group of people to have as neighbors. And they’re our national neighbors. And this is the source of all these insanities that we see leveled at the President. One way or the other they go back to this little evangelical subculture. It’s a disaster."

Frank Schaeffer The GOP s Evangelical Subculture Is A Fifth Column Of Insanity Crooks and Liars

Of all the posters on USMB, you are the fullest of shit. If gay msrriage is popular, then put it to a popular vote.

Don't have to -- it's already the law of the land.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Deniers, deniers, deniers. What can I say? The country is leaving you behind.

"What we’re really talking about is a group of people are resentful because they know they’ve been left behind by modernity, by science, by education, by art, by literature—the rest of us are getting on with our lives. These people are standing on a hill top waiting for the end and this is a dangerous group of people to have as neighbors. And they’re our national neighbors. And this is the source of all these insanities that we see leveled at the President. One way or the other they go back to this little evangelical subculture. It’s a disaster."

Frank Schaeffer The GOP s Evangelical Subculture Is A Fifth Column Of Insanity Crooks and Liars

Of all the posters on USMB, you are the fullest of shit. If gay msrriage is popular, then put it to a popular vote.

No need, you already lost. Losers lose.

 

[Spare_change]

Same sex marriage has become accepted by the majority of Americans because they've come to realize that they've been lied to by those who say it would adversely effect their heterosexual marriage. Those who continue to spout that line are the moral equivalent of Holocaust deniers.

harm to this nation. Just as legalizing abortion has debauched society.

God is not one to be mocked. So don’t.

I don't mock fairy tales- I mock those who insist I must believe in their fairy tales- and that we all are supposed to live our lives according your fairy tales.

I don't' give a good God damn how you live your life, who you sleep with, or what you consider fairy tales .... I only ask that I be allowed to believe in my God, if I wish, and that I be allowed to worship in the manner in which I wish .... I am getting sick and tired of know-it-all atheists trying to tell me how, when, and where to worship my God, telling me what sin I must support, and posing themselves as the know-all, be-all of something with which they are not the least be familiar.

You're truly delusional and ridiculous.

What an intelligent, insightful, and succinct contribution to the conversation. Too bad that personal attacks prove nothing ... except that you have NOTHING intelligent, insightful, or succinct to contribute.

 

[Faun]

Same sex marriage has become accepted by the majority of Americans because they've come to realize that they've been lied to by those who say it would adversely effect their heterosexual marriage. Those who continue to spout that line are the moral equivalent of Holocaust deniers.

harm to this nation. Just as legalizing abortion has debauched society.

God is not one to be mocked. So don’t.

I don't mock fairy tales- I mock those who insist I must believe in their fairy tales- and that we all are supposed to live our lives according your fairy tales.

I don't' give a good God damn how you live your life, who you sleep with, or what you consider fairy tales .... I only ask that I be allowed to believe in my God, if I wish, and that I be allowed to worship in the manner in which I wish .... I am getting sick and tired of know-it-all atheists trying to tell me how, when, and where to worship my God, telling me what sin I must support, and posing themselves as the know-all, be-all of something with which they are not the least be familiar.

You're truly delusional and ridiculous.

What an intelligent, insightful, and succinct contribution to the conversation. Too bad that personal attacks prove nothing ... except that you have NOTHING intelligent, insightful, or succinct to contribute.

Irony is ... ironic.

 

[Politico]

Same sex marriage has become accepted by the majority of Americans because they've come to realize that they've been lied to by those who say it would adversely effect their heterosexual marriage. Those who continue to spout that line are the moral equivalent of Holocaust deniers.

No it hasn't. It was legislated by the bench.

 

[Faun]

Same sex marriage has become accepted by the majority of Americans because they've come to realize that they've been lied to by those who say it would adversely effect their heterosexual marriage. Those who continue to spout that line are the moral equivalent of Holocaust deniers.

No it hasn't. It was legislated by the bench.

Of course it was. In almost every poll, gay marriage was supported by a majority of people....

Civil Rights

 

[konradv]

Same sex marriage has become accepted by the majority of Americans .

No it hasn't. It was legislated by the bench.

According to the Gallup poll, 60% of Americans accept same-sex marriage as valid. Sorry to burst your bubble, but the court was only confirming what the people already believe.

Marriage Gallup Historical Trends