Yes, You're A Communist

[PoliticalChic]

[QUOTE Conservatives and Republicans have been using that fear of communism on us for probably a hundred years now, the peak probably coming during the Red Scares and McCarthy period. I took a college course one time and the instructor suggested we put covers on our books or some parents would accuse the school of teaching communism and he would end up before a committee of some type. When did the USSR drop Marx, 1924? What nation has ever practiced Marx?

" I took a college course one time...."

Aha!

So that was your mistake.

Unlike you, I do independent research, and, that is why I can provide sourced, linked, and documented material.

You, our greatest source of greenhouse gases.

 

[Moonglow]

[QUOTE Conservatives and Republicans have been using that fear of communism on us for probably a hundred years now, the peak probably coming during the Red Scares and McCarthy period. I took a college course one time and the instructor suggested we put covers on our books or some parents would accuse the school of teaching communism and he would end up before a committee of some type. When did the USSR drop Marx, 1924? What nation has ever practiced Marx?

" I took a college course one time...."

Aha!

So that was your mistake.

Unlike you, I do independent research, and, that is why I can provide sourced, linked, and documented material.

You, our greatest source of greenhouse gases.

All you do is cut-n-paste, other people have done the research work for you...

 

[PoliticalChic]

Anyone arguing the OP is an idiot. Communism has NOTHING to do with US politics anymore. Euro/Aussie/etc socialism? I certainly hope so...

Really?

Watch this....
Here is a little quiz that you won't dare answer.


Let's begin with definitions.
Nazism, communism, socialism..Liberalism, Progressivism,.and fascism....

1. Which stem from the works of Karl Marx?
2. Which is a form of command and control big government?
3. Which has no problem with genocide, actual or figurative, as an accepted procedure on its political enemies?
4. Which is based on the collective over the individual?
5. Which oppresses and/or slaughters its own citizens as pro forma (including depriving them of a living)....?
6. Which represents totalitarian governance?
7. Which believes that mandating/dictating every aspect of their citizen's lives is their prerogative?
8. Which aims for an all-encompassing state that centralizes power to perfect human nature by controlling every aspect of life

9. Which restricts free speech and thought?

10. Which can be summed up in Hegel's “The state says … you must obey …. The state has rights against the individual; its members have obligations, among them that of obeying without protest”



And, of course, they all are do...they are all consubstantial.

Nazism

Communism

Socialism

Fascism

Progressivism

Liberalism






How about pointing out which of them are defenders of religious, political, and economic freedom, and recognize the individual as the most important element of society?
Right....none of 'em.
Only right wing philosophies...i.e., conservatism.


In your face, you dolt.....
...You're so dense that light bends around you.

 

[Dr Grump]

Surprising how many good Americans have been fooled into accepting, and voting for, communism. And when the truth is revealed, they are startled, incensed, and furious that anyone would say such a thing

Nothing wrong with communism, when done right. Unfortunately not one single country in the history of the world has ever done it right. Ever.

 

[PoliticalChic]

"Pure" capitalism?
One wonders whatever that could mean.
Does anyone maintain that such a thing functions presently in the world? Can anyone point to a period of time when such a thing functioned? If so, what conditions existed in the culture of this 'ism'?

How about you learn how to provide the post and quote to which you are responding?

Is that a plan?

 

[Dr Grump]

they will be.

No they won't.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Surprising how many good Americans have been fooled into accepting, and voting for, communism. And when the truth is revealed, they are startled, incensed, and furious that anyone would say such a thing

Nothing wrong with communism, when done right. Unfortunately not one single country in the history of the world has ever done it right. Ever.

"Nothing wrong with communism,...."

OMG!


Under the Bolsheviks, the dynasty with which Franklin Roosevelt felt comradeship, slaughter was so omnipresent that corpse-disposal actually became a problem.

There was resistance to the Lefts mandate of collectivism, especially in the Ukraine.


September 11, 1932, Stalin wrote to his assistant, 'We must take steps so we do not lose the Ukraine.' So, 1932-1933,all food supplies in the Ukraine were confiscated.
Those who tried to leave were shot, those who remained,starved to death. Men, women, children. They died tortuously slowly.
NKVD squads collected the dead. They received 200 grams of bread for every dead body they delivered; often they didn't wait until the victim was dead.


'Lazar Kaganovich (together withVyacheslav Molotov) participated with the All-Ukrainian Party Conference of 1930 and were given the task of implementation of thecollectivization policy that caused a catastrophic 1932–33 famine known as theHolodomor.He also personally oversaw grain confiscations during the same time periods.

'Similar policies also inflicted enormous suffering on the Soviet Central Asian republic ofKazakhstan, theKubanregion,Crimea, the lowerVolgaregion, and other parts of the Soviet Union. As an emissary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party, Kaganovich traveled to Ukraine, the central regions of the USSR, the NorthernCaucasus, andSiberiademanding the acceleration of collectivization and repressions against theKulaks, who were generally blamed for the slow progress of collectivization.'
Lazar Kaganovich - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia



a. "They were thrown into a hole in the ground...the ground was moving..." Many were buried alive.



It's time for you to change that avi to "Dr. Fool"

 

[JQPublic1]

Complete nonsense. Pure capitalism produces never before seen wealth. Communism produces death and miseary.

Pure Capitalism produced never before seen wealth for a few until liberal labor put a stop to it via collective bargaining. Only then did a middle class emerge. The same middle class that Republicans have been waging war against ever since. Communists may have played a role in that. If so... labor ought to tip their hats to them. But on a personal note, I lean more towards Socialism because I am, at heart a humanist Capitalist . Still, Communism does not cause death and misery, people do; whether they are Communists OR Capitalists.

Guess what capitalism also did? Produce so much wealth that children no longer had to work. Duh..

Are you joking? without liberals leading the charge for social reforms kids would still be chained to machines for 12 hrs or more. Industrial capitalists didn't just become compassionate about child labor and dispense with it on their own. They were forced into it by liberals. And as mentioned before that wealth produced was also redistributed more equitably due to the efforts of Unions and social activists.

Here is a message from Cuba:

"Some of children, in accordance with family custom, must work. In effect, the idea of sending a child to work so that he can earn some pesos for the household remains acceptable in certain families."

I don't think a child working in the fields along side mom and pop is the same as working in a factory chained to a machine for 12 or more hours. But here is a message from the USA:

It is not allowed to happen in Russia, or in Kazakhstan—but in the United States, children as young as 12 are allowed to toil on tobacco farms, whether it’s driving Dad’s tractor or picking leaves for R.J. Reynolds. Tobacco farming poses threats to their health thanks to heavy pesticide use and the possibility of acute nicotine poisoning, as Gabriel Thompson vividly describes in his special investigative report in this issue.

The Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938 banned child labor in factories and mines, but racist Southern politicians ensured the existence of enough loopholes to keep black children working on the farm. Now it’s young migrants who often do those jobs. And as Mariya Strauss demonstrates in the second feature of our investigative report, it’s not just nicotine poisoning and heat exhaustion, but the hazards involving farm vehicles, grain silos and manure pits, that endanger these children. Exactly how many have been injured or killed is hard to determine because the government’s monitoring system is so weak.

Theft and coercion (communism) only produces a society that eats itself. I don't understand how people can actually believe that you need coercion to run a successful society. Fact is, you need coercion to steal other people's money, which is what you want to justify. It's the Marxist indoctrination kicking in.

If I have been indoctrinated it certainly wasn't by Communists. Any indoctrination I received was AGAINST Socialism and Communism. But as I grew older and started to study the history of American labor and Capitalism, I stared to see that liberalism was responsible for the middle class and for the social safety nets we enjoy in our old age or if we are debilitated in some way. America is just the way I like it: part Capitalist and part Socialist in the right measure.

Communism, OTOH has been sold as a toxic ideology to US citizens ever since we were in grade school. And indeed external sources have verified that in the past Communist governments have committed atrocities; but, so have so -called free market Capitalist governments ;including the USA.

 

[PoliticalChic]

There is no essential difference between communism, socialism,

Well, this drawing shows that some one does not agree with you!

Well, the cartoonist is entitled to be wrong.


I'm never in that circumstance.


Until June 21, 1941, Stalin and Hitler were joined-at-the-hip blood brothers.

But what happened AFTER that?

Simple.....Franklin Roosevelt decided he loved Stalin more than Hitler, and made certain that Stalin survived and communism had a cozy home in Americ.


Simple, huh.....just like you.

 

[there4eyeM]

“Fascism should rightly be called corporatism, as it is the merger of corporate and government power.”
― Benito Mussolini
“I do not intend to defend capitalism or capitalists. They, like everything human, have their defects. I only say their possibilities of usefulness are not ended.

Capitalism has borne the monstrous burden of the war and today still has the strength to shoulder the burdens of peace. ...

It is not simply and solely an accumulation of wealth, it is an elaboration, a selection, a co-ordination of values which is the work of centuries. ...

Many think, and I myself am one of them, that capitalism is scarcely at the beginning of its story.”
― Benito Mussolini

 

[PoliticalChic]

I am pro-civilization and advancement
I love investing in America
I love science
I love clean air, water and food!

All those things are thanks to government. So stop with the anti-government crap. And no, I am not against corporations or capitalism. Just the opposite in fact.

If only you 'loved' knowledge and education.....but then you wouldn't be MoronMatthew.

 

[PoliticalChic]

[QUOTE Conservatives and Republicans have been using that fear of communism on us for probably a hundred years now, the peak probably coming during the Red Scares and McCarthy period. I took a college course one time and the instructor suggested we put covers on our books or some parents would accuse the school of teaching communism and he would end up before a committee of some type. When did the USSR drop Marx, 1924? What nation has ever practiced Marx?

" I took a college course one time...."

Aha!

So that was your mistake.

Unlike you, I do independent research, and, that is why I can provide sourced, linked, and documented material.

You, our greatest source of greenhouse gases.

All you do is cut-n-paste, other people have done the research work for you...

How about you try it....then, you might not come off as a dunce.

 

[there4eyeM]

"Pure" capitalism?
One wonders whatever that could mean.
Does anyone maintain that such a thing functions presently in the world? Can anyone point to a period of time when such a thing functioned? If so, what conditions existed in the culture of this 'ism'?

How about you learn how to provide the post and quote to which you are responding?

Is that a plan?

The post stands on its own.
If that isn't your plan, make another.

 

[Dr Grump]

Surprising how many good Americans have been fooled into accepting, and voting for, communism. And when the truth is revealed, they are startled, incensed, and furious that anyone would say such a thing

Nothing wrong with communism, when done right. Unfortunately not one single country in the history of the world has ever done it right. Ever.

"Nothing wrong with communism,...."

OMG!


Under the Bolsheviks, the dynasty with which Franklin Roosevelt felt comradeship, slaughter was so omnipresent that corpse-disposal actually became a problem.

There was resistance to the Lefts mandate of collectivism, especially in the Ukraine.


September 11, 1932, Stalin wrote to his assistant, 'We must take steps so we do not lose the Ukraine.' So, 1932-1933,all food supplies in the Ukraine were confiscated.
Those who tried to leave were shot, those who remained,starved to death. Men, women, children. They died tortuously slowly.
NKVD squads collected the dead. They received 200 grams of bread for every dead body they delivered; often they didn't wait until the victim was dead.


'Lazar Kaganovich (together withVyacheslav Molotov) participated with the All-Ukrainian Party Conference of 1930 and were given the task of implementation of thecollectivization policy that caused a catastrophic 1932–33 famine known as theHolodomor.He also personally oversaw grain confiscations during the same time periods.

'Similar policies also inflicted enormous suffering on the Soviet Central Asian republic ofKazakhstan, theKubanregion,Crimea, the lowerVolgaregion, and other parts of the Soviet Union. As an emissary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party, Kaganovich traveled to Ukraine, the central regions of the USSR, the NorthernCaucasus, andSiberiademanding the acceleration of collectivization and repressions against theKulaks, who were generally blamed for the slow progress of collectivization.'
Lazar Kaganovich - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia



a. "They were thrown into a hole in the ground...the ground was moving..." Many were buried alive.



It's time for you to change that avi to "Dr. Fool"

Why are you giving info about Kazakhstan and the USSR. Read what I write. I reiterate - there has never ever been a Communist country in the world. Ever. The USSR was a totalitarian regime. It was not Communist. It pretended to be. It wasn't.

 

[Norman]

Complete nonsense. Pure capitalism produces never before seen wealth. Communism produces death and miseary.

Pure Capitalism produced never before seen wealth for a few until liberal labor put a stop to it via collective bargaining. Only then did a middle class emerge. The same middle class that Republicans have been waging war against ever since. Communists may have played a role in that. If so... labor ought to tip their hats to them. But on a personal note, I lean more towards Socialism because I am, at heart a humanist Capitalist . Still, Communism does not cause death and misery, people do; whether they are Communists OR Capitalists.

Complete nonsense. Capitalism produces and KEEPS producing record amounts of wealth. Take a look at country like Singapore, no national resources, and rich as fuck. Why? Because the government is comparatively speaking non-existent.

The only reason we have wealth is because FREEDOM, not because of government coercion, which produces only waste.

Your virtue signaling liberal ass produces wealth for no one, only takes resources at a gun point, from everyone.

 

[Norman]

Surprising how many good Americans have been fooled into accepting, and voting for, communism. And when the truth is revealed, they are startled, incensed, and furious that anyone would say such a thing

Nothing wrong with communism, when done right. Unfortunately not one single country in the history of the world has ever done it right. Ever.

"Nothing wrong with communism,...."

OMG!


Under the Bolsheviks, the dynasty with which Franklin Roosevelt felt comradeship, slaughter was so omnipresent that corpse-disposal actually became a problem.

There was resistance to the Lefts mandate of collectivism, especially in the Ukraine.


September 11, 1932, Stalin wrote to his assistant, 'We must take steps so we do not lose the Ukraine.' So, 1932-1933,all food supplies in the Ukraine were confiscated.
Those who tried to leave were shot, those who remained,starved to death. Men, women, children. They died tortuously slowly.
NKVD squads collected the dead. They received 200 grams of bread for every dead body they delivered; often they didn't wait until the victim was dead.


'Lazar Kaganovich (together withVyacheslav Molotov) participated with the All-Ukrainian Party Conference of 1930 and were given the task of implementation of thecollectivization policy that caused a catastrophic 1932–33 famine known as theHolodomor.He also personally oversaw grain confiscations during the same time periods.

'Similar policies also inflicted enormous suffering on the Soviet Central Asian republic ofKazakhstan, theKubanregion,Crimea, the lowerVolgaregion, and other parts of the Soviet Union. As an emissary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party, Kaganovich traveled to Ukraine, the central regions of the USSR, the NorthernCaucasus, andSiberiademanding the acceleration of collectivization and repressions against theKulaks, who were generally blamed for the slow progress of collectivization.'
Lazar Kaganovich - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia



a. "They were thrown into a hole in the ground...the ground was moving..." Many were buried alive.



It's time for you to change that avi to "Dr. Fool"

Why are you giving info about Kazakhstan and the USSR. Read what I write. I reiterate - there has never ever been a Communist country in the world. Ever. The USSR was a totalitarian regime. It was not Communist. It pretended to be. It wasn't.

The only way to respond to these sort of arguments is laughter.

Wherever communism has been tried it has been a failure. A regressive response? "It wasn't true communism!"

All right, but why do all of these countries keep calling themselves communists, and act exactly according to the communist plan of regressive oppression? Perhaps the truth is your ideology is totalitarian and freedom hating, but you just fail to admit it to yourself. Perhaps your Marxist university professor forgot to tell you that.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Surprising how many good Americans have been fooled into accepting, and voting for, communism. And when the truth is revealed, they are startled, incensed, and furious that anyone would say such a thing

Nothing wrong with communism, when done right. Unfortunately not one single country in the history of the world has ever done it right. Ever.

"Nothing wrong with communism,...."

OMG!


Under the Bolsheviks, the dynasty with which Franklin Roosevelt felt comradeship, slaughter was so omnipresent that corpse-disposal actually became a problem.

There was resistance to the Lefts mandate of collectivism, especially in the Ukraine.


September 11, 1932, Stalin wrote to his assistant, 'We must take steps so we do not lose the Ukraine.' So, 1932-1933,all food supplies in the Ukraine were confiscated.
Those who tried to leave were shot, those who remained,starved to death. Men, women, children. They died tortuously slowly.
NKVD squads collected the dead. They received 200 grams of bread for every dead body they delivered; often they didn't wait until the victim was dead.


'Lazar Kaganovich (together withVyacheslav Molotov) participated with the All-Ukrainian Party Conference of 1930 and were given the task of implementation of thecollectivization policy that caused a catastrophic 1932–33 famine known as theHolodomor.He also personally oversaw grain confiscations during the same time periods.

'Similar policies also inflicted enormous suffering on the Soviet Central Asian republic ofKazakhstan, theKubanregion,Crimea, the lowerVolgaregion, and other parts of the Soviet Union. As an emissary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party, Kaganovich traveled to Ukraine, the central regions of the USSR, the NorthernCaucasus, andSiberiademanding the acceleration of collectivization and repressions against theKulaks, who were generally blamed for the slow progress of collectivization.'
Lazar Kaganovich - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia



a. "They were thrown into a hole in the ground...the ground was moving..." Many were buried alive.



It's time for you to change that avi to "Dr. Fool"

Why are you giving info about Kazakhstan and the USSR. Read what I write. I reiterate - there has never ever been a Communist country in the world. Ever. The USSR was a totalitarian regime. It was not Communist. It pretended to be. It wasn't.

"there has never ever been a Communist country in the world."

Truly the most hoary, long-in-the-tooth diaphanous attempt at support for collectivism.



1. All of these are collectivist: Nazism, Liberalism, socialism, communism, fascism, and Progressivism.
All lack respect for humanity and none find human life sacred.

The only differences are the number each has slaughtered and/or oppressed.



2. It is well past time for you tho assume the new avi, Dr. Fool.
Get to it!

 

[Dr Grump]

The only way to respond to these sort of arguments is laughter.

Wherever communism has been tried it has been a failure. A regressive response? "It wasn't true communism!"

All right, but why do all of these countries keep calling themselves communists, and act exactly according to the communist plan of regressive oppression? Perhaps the truth is your ideology is totalitarian and freedom hating, but you just fail to admit it to yourself. Perhaps your Marxist university professor forgot to tell you that.

I don't particularly like Communism. I like aspects of it. I have yet to see it in practice though. I prefer a mixture of socialism and capitalism.

I dunno why they call it Communism. Why does every tv channel keep on telling me I "can't miss the next episode of such and such" and yet I can quite happily. People oversell things all the time.

Not one single country has practiced Karl Marx's version of Communism. Not one. Ever.

 

[there4eyeM]

The liberal use of money to produce real wealth is not a problem. 'Capitalism' should really have a different suffix, as it isn't an 'ism' as most others. It is merely a way that economics can function. Particularly as it was being invented at the Renaissance, it was quite liberating. Turning it into a philosophy or quasi-religion is absurd. All its foibles, errors and horrors have been displayed in history. As with any other human endeavor, motivation is the key.
If Christianity functioned as it should in America, U.S. capitalism would be under proper control; i. e., personal moral control.

 

[JQPublic1]

There is no essential difference between communism, socialism,

Well, this drawing shows that some one does not agree with you!

Well, the cartoonist is entitled to be wrong.


I'm never in that circumstance.


Until June 21, 1941, Stalin and Hitler were joined-at-the-hip blood brothers.

But what happened AFTER that?

Simple.....Franklin Roosevelt decided he loved Stalin more than Hitler, and made certain that Stalin survived and communism had a cozy home in Americ.


Simple, huh.....just like you.

Evidently FDR made the right choices. We now have a thriving middle class as a result. It's just that simple, huhnh!