You Have To Keep Things Simple For Conservatives.

[Truthseeker420]

Obama shouldn't expect them to understand complexities of the free market insurance. You have to spell things out for them.

He should have said "There is no law preventing them from keeping their health insurance". GOPers seem to respond to puppet shows and "one liners".

 

[daveman]

I'd say it's more simple-minded to refuse to acknowledge Obama has been less than truthful.

Your child-like naivete is charming...or it would be, if you didn't vote.

Nevertheless, it's time for you to grow up and face the facts:

Obama modified 'grandfathering' rules to benefit businesses | The Daily Caller

In June 2010, less than three months after Obamacare was signed into law, Health & Human Services released initial regulations regarding “grandfathering” of insurance plans, defining which types of existing plans could continue to exist without meeting the new law’s standards.

By HHS’s own admission, most of the 17 million people in the individual market would be forced into transitioning to new ACA-compliant plans “sooner rather than later.”

“The 17 million people who are covered in the individual health insurance market, where switching of plans and substantial changes in coverage are common, will receive the new protections of the Affordable Care Act sooner rather than later,” a press release from the time showed. “Roughly 40 percent to two-thirds of people in individual market policies normally change plans within a year. In the short run, individuals whose plan changes and is no longer grandfathered will gain access to free preventive services, protections against restricted annual limits, and patient protections such as improved access to emergency rooms.”

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In November 2010, HHS modified the regulation to provide even further flexibility for larger companies, even allowing them to change insurance providers without losing grandfathered status, despite already giving them favorable treatment. According to the HHS fact-check:

“Previously, one of the ways an employer group health plan could lose its grandfather status was if the employer changed issuers – switching from one insurance company to another. The original regulation only allowed self-funded plans to change third-party administrators without necessarily losing their grandfathered plan status. Today’s amendment allows all group health plans to switch insurance companies and shop for the same coverage at a lower cost while maintaining their grandfathered status, so long as the structure of the coverage doesn’t violate one of the other rules for maintaining grandfathered plan status.”​

By comparison, HHS regulations for individual insurance coverage ensured that relatively minor changes to these plans — for example, an increase in the deductible above a certain amount — would result in these plans losing grandfathered status. Whereas the regulations allowed businesses to swap out one insurance carrier for another, buyers in the individual insurance market could not even change plans with the same carrier without losing protected status.

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Only four months later, President Obama’s administration would release the regulations, ensuring that most of the seventeen million people with individual coverage would lose their plans, whether they liked them or not.

 

[Mac1958]

Obama shouldn't expect them to understand complexities of the free market insurance. You have to spell things out for them.

He should have said "There is no law preventing them from keeping their health insurance". GOPers seem to respond to puppet shows and "one liners".

Since you're a "Truthseeker" (hee hee, wink), I wonder what you think of what Obama said yesterday...

“If you had or have one of these plans before the Affordable Care Act came into law,” the president said, “and you really like that plan, what we said was, you could keep it… if it hasn’t changed since the law’s passed.” Does that qualify as "the truth" with you?

... and if you can provide examples of when he said that, at any time, since 2008, that would be great. Looking forward to the link, thanks.

And speaking of "keeping things simple", Obama sure kept it simple for the millions who bought his lies and voted for him, thinking he was being honest with them. Your thoughts on THEM? They're real smart, right?

That's okay, not expecting a straight answer.

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[Truthseeker420]

I'd say it's more simple-minded to refuse to acknowledge Obama has been less than truthful.

Your child-like naivete is charming...or it would be, if you didn't vote.

Nevertheless, it's time for you to grow up and face the facts:

Obama modified 'grandfathering' rules to benefit businesses | The Daily Caller

In June 2010, less than three months after Obamacare was signed into law, Health & Human Services released initial regulations regarding “grandfathering” of insurance plans, defining which types of existing plans could continue to exist without meeting the new law’s standards.

By HHS’s own admission, most of the 17 million people in the individual market would be forced into transitioning to new ACA-compliant plans “sooner rather than later.”

“The 17 million people who are covered in the individual health insurance market, where switching of plans and substantial changes in coverage are common, will receive the new protections of the Affordable Care Act sooner rather than later,” a press release from the time showed. “Roughly 40 percent to two-thirds of people in individual market policies normally change plans within a year. In the short run, individuals whose plan changes and is no longer grandfathered will gain access to free preventive services, protections against restricted annual limits, and patient protections such as improved access to emergency rooms.”

--

In November 2010, HHS modified the regulation to provide even further flexibility for larger companies, even allowing them to change insurance providers without losing grandfathered status, despite already giving them favorable treatment. According to the HHS fact-check:

“Previously, one of the ways an employer group health plan could lose its grandfather status was if the employer changed issuers – switching from one insurance company to another. The original regulation only allowed self-funded plans to change third-party administrators without necessarily losing their grandfathered plan status. Today’s amendment allows all group health plans to switch insurance companies and shop for the same coverage at a lower cost while maintaining their grandfathered status, so long as the structure of the coverage doesn’t violate one of the other rules for maintaining grandfathered plan status.”​

By comparison, HHS regulations for individual insurance coverage ensured that relatively minor changes to these plans — for example, an increase in the deductible above a certain amount — would result in these plans losing grandfathered status. Whereas the regulations allowed businesses to swap out one insurance carrier for another, buyers in the individual insurance market could not even change plans with the same carrier without losing protected status.

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Only four months later, President Obama’s administration would release the regulations, ensuring that most of the seventeen million people with individual coverage would lose their plans, whether they liked them or not.

I understand how Republicans are trying to spin regulations.

 

[Truthseeker420]

Obama shouldn't expect them to understand complexities of the free market insurance. You have to spell things out for them.

He should have said "There is no law preventing them from keeping their health insurance". GOPers seem to respond to puppet shows and "one liners".

Since you're a "Truthseeker" (hee hee, wink), I wonder what you think of what Obama said yesterday...

“If you had or have one of these plans before the Affordable Care Act came into law,” the president said, “and you really like that plan, what we said was, you could keep it… if it hasn’t changed since the law’s passed.” Does that qualify as "the truth" with you?

... and if you can provide examples of when he said that, at any time, since 2008, that would be great. Looking forward to the link, thanks.

And speaking of "keeping things simple", Obama sure kept it simple for the millions who bought his lies and voted for him, thinking he was being honest with them. Your thoughts on THEM? They're real smart, right?

That's okay, not expecting a straight answer.

.

Obama should have said " There is no law preventing anyone from keeping their plan".

 

[Mac1958]

Obama shouldn't expect them to understand complexities of the free market insurance. You have to spell things out for them.

He should have said "There is no law preventing them from keeping their health insurance". GOPers seem to respond to puppet shows and "one liners".

Since you're a "Truthseeker" (hee hee, wink), I wonder what you think of what Obama said yesterday...

“If you had or have one of these plans before the Affordable Care Act came into law,” the president said, “and you really like that plan, what we said was, you could keep it… if it hasn’t changed since the law’s passed.” Does that qualify as "the truth" with you?

... and if you can provide examples of when he said that, at any time, since 2008, that would be great. Looking forward to the link, thanks.

And speaking of "keeping things simple", Obama sure kept it simple for the millions who bought his lies and voted for him, thinking he was being honest with them. Your thoughts on THEM? They're real smart, right?

That's okay, not expecting a straight answer.

.

Obama should have sad " There is no law preventing anyone from keeping their plan".

No, he couldn't say that, it wouldn't have been nearly as effective at his supercool campaign rallies.

He knew it would be better to just lie straight to our face, and he ran with it.

He "kept things simple" for his voters.

It worked.

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[Truthseeker420]

Since you're a "Truthseeker" (hee hee, wink), I wonder what you think of what Obama said yesterday...

“If you had or have one of these plans before the Affordable Care Act came into law,” the president said, “and you really like that plan, what we said was, you could keep it… if it hasn’t changed since the law’s passed.” Does that qualify as "the truth" with you?

... and if you can provide examples of when he said that, at any time, since 2008, that would be great. Looking forward to the link, thanks.

And speaking of "keeping things simple", Obama sure kept it simple for the millions who bought his lies and voted for him, thinking he was being honest with them. Your thoughts on THEM? They're real smart, right?

That's okay, not expecting a straight answer.

.

Obama should have sad " There is no law preventing anyone from keeping their plan".

No, he couldn't say that, it wouldn't have been nearly as effective at his supercool campaign rallies.

He knew it would be better to just lie straight to our face, and he ran with it.

He "kept things simple" for his voters.

It worked.

.

no...he didn't lie he knew his supporters would understand the truth. As I suspect the voters will in 2016.

 

[Stephanie]

liberals like truthseekerjoker will never get off their knees for this man and call everyone else stupid because they SEE he LIED to them

You Have To Keep Things Simple For Conservatives.

now you know why liberals are not LIKED SO MUCH

 

[Truthseeker420]

liberals like truthseeker will never get off their knees for this man and call everyone else stupid because they SEE he LIED to them

now you know why liberals are not LIKED SO MUCH

No..there is plenty to criticize Obama over..you guys are stuck on your hate for Obama.

 

[Stephanie]

liberals like truthseeker will never get off their knees for this man and call everyone else stupid because they SEE he LIED to them

now you know why liberals are not LIKED SO MUCH

No..there is plenty to criticize Obama over..you guys are stuck on your hate for Obama.

really, plenty huh
but not because he straight out LIED to people...this game of what he shoulda woulda coulda said bullshit and people just hate him you can shove

you are a real joke and subject for him and the Democrat party

 

[Truthseeker420]

liberals like truthseekerjoker will never get off their knees for this man and call everyone else stupid because they SEE he LIED to them

You Have To Keep Things Simple For Conservatives.

now you know why liberals are not LIKED SO MUCH

It's okay.. I'm simple minded myself. I'm dumb compared to most liberals.

 

[DiamondDave]

Obama knows the complexities of free market insurance?? This MUST come from his vast experience in it as a community organizer

Trash thread from sentence 1

 

[Stephanie]

SNIP:


Links and video at site

NEW TACTIC – Obama Adds Clause to “You Can Keep It” Lie (Video)

Posted by Jim Hoft on Monday, November 4, 2013, 6:43 PM
Barack Obama was out trying to convince Americans that he didn’t lie when he said over 23 times that “you can keep your health care plan if you like it” under Obamacare:


“What we said was you can keep it, if it hasn’t changed since the law has passed… If we would have allowed these old plans to be downgraded or sold to new enrollees once the law had already passed, then we would have broken an even more important promise.”

AP White House reporter Julie Pace wasn’t buying it. She told the Special Report panel:


“I’ve covered this president for five years now. That wasn’t said. That wasn’t said by officials. That wasn’t said by the president. That maybe what was written into the law… But no one said that.”

Ouch.
Via Special Report:

all of it here
NEW TACTIC ? Obama Adds Clause to ?You Can Keep It? Lie (Video) | The Gateway Pundit

 

[Truthseeker420]

Obama knows the complexities of free market insurance?? This MUST come from his vast experience in it as a community organizer

Trash thread from sentence 1

Well.. he has smart people working for him.

 

[DiamondDave]

Obama knows the complexities of free market insurance?? This MUST come from his vast experience in it as a community organizer

Trash thread from sentence 1

Well.. he has smart people working for him.

Yeah.. like all the ones who correctly predicted economic results.. or kept people alive in embassies..

It is a political clown car of idiocy

 

[Jackson]

Obama shouldn't expect them to understand complexities of the free market insurance. You have to spell things out for them.

He should have said "There is no law preventing them from keeping their health insurance". GOPers seem to respond to puppet shows and "one liners".

You REALLY have to keep things simple for liberals... and keep giving them free things so they don't notice you've been lying to them the entire time you've been in office.

 

[Stephanie]

Obama knows the complexities of free market insurance?? This MUST come from his vast experience in it as a community organizer

Trash thread from sentence 1

Well.. he has smart people working for him.

yeah so smart the unaffordableNocare websites are UP AND HUMMING right along after three frikken years of smart planning

you need salve for those knees

 

[j-mac]

Obama knows the complexities of free market insurance?? This MUST come from his vast experience in it as a community organizer

Trash thread from sentence 1

Well.. he has smart people working for him.

Really? Smart people that couldn't see how this was all going to backfire when it came out? Smart people that had those meetings in 2009, and told him to run with the lie? Smart people that use the most childish of tactics known to any adult to trash, attack, and blame their political opponents?

don't tell anyone, but this may be the most incompetent group of criminal clowns to ever preside over the American people.

 

[Stephanie]

the op is either a paid Obama stooge or just a simple minded follower cult member of the Democrat/commie party

 

[bripat9643]

Obama shouldn't expect them to understand complexities of the free market insurance. You have to spell things out for them.

He should have said "There is no law preventing them from keeping their health insurance". GOPers seem to respond to puppet shows and "one liners".

Yes there is, asshole. The ACA forced all insurers to change their plans. The weren't allowed to offer their customers their old plans.

You're just an ignorant lying asshole. We have to spoon feed things to you in the simplest possible form for you to understand.

Perhaps if you quit sucking Obama's dick for half a second you wouldn't be so damn ignorant.