francoHFW
Diamond Member
Fox is fos as always. The fact that no Pubs would vote for a GOP style plan just shows how bought off, mindless, and hypocritical they are. Pub dupes, worst- and most misinformed- voters in the modern world...
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Go to a full Universal Single Payer System like that of Canada. Paid for out of an increase in income taxes, one that goes all the way to the top, no cutoff as in Social Security.
Or.....People could just pay for their own selves. Why should I pay higher taxes just to pay for someone else's health care?
We got us a high level thinker here. He appears to have faith.
Or.....People could just pay for their own selves. Why should I pay higher taxes just to pay for someone else's health care?
We got us a high level thinker here. He appears to have faith.
But, like other rw's, he still doesn't get it that ObamaCare requires you to pay for your insurance whereas Reagan's Socialist EMTALA forces us to "pay higher taxes just to pay for someone else's health care".
Go to a full Universal Single Payer System like that of Canada. Paid for out of an increase in income taxes, one that goes all the way to the top, no cutoff as in Social Security.
I'm not for this type of plan, but I'd prefer it to this ACA beast.
The Democrats could have at least opened a serious national dialogue on Single Payer, but they did not. Instead, they rushed and pushed through this hideous Frankenstein's monster by the barest of margins. And now, liberals are having to defend it for political reasons. They can't point at Romneycare, they voted for the ACA. It's all theirs.
I'd love to have been a fly on the wall when Reid and Pelosi and gang decided they didn't have the guts to make Single Payer a national conversation.
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Reid, Pelosi, and Obama never wanted a conversation about single payer because all the polls showed Americans were very happy with their current coverage. To discuss single payer openly was a loser. Look what happened to Hillary. So they lied and then created a Frankenstein monster.
For the same reason we pay for everyone's education and National Defense. A healthy, educated and protected populous is a prosperous one.
it is not the same thing as defence.
But, a minimal medical care can be a universal one - paid not by income taxes, but by the federal sales tax - so finally those who are not paying anything in any taxes but use the services will pay for it as well.
Can be just 1%.
If you buy a yaht - you will pay more than when you buy a pair of cheap shoes. But everyone will pay - and that is fair.
No, it isn't the same...it's more important than defense.
We can have a public/private healthcare system. Everyone gets the same basic healthcare but if you can afford supplemental plans, you get one. We are America, we can do this.
We got us a high level thinker here. He appears to have faith.
But, like other rw's, he still doesn't get it that ObamaCare requires you to pay for your insurance whereas Reagan's Socialist EMTALA forces us to "pay higher taxes just to pay for someone else's health care".
You know you've lost a debate when you call Ronald Reagan a socialist. Game over, pal.
No, It's free.
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Did you have a point?
"Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous
by letting the American Government
take care of him;
better take a closer look at the American Indian." - Henry Ford
my point is same as sj's..
I've used this quote many times...
and I drive a ford...
EMTALA was designed to prevent ER and Hospital patient dumping. It is an excellent law that has saved millions of lives. When a patient presents at an ER the patient must receive care. They cannot be dumped due to lack of insurance or medical condition.
Are you now arguing to change this law? Or are you being a hack and attempting to make a bullshit and worthless political point?
But, like other rw's, he still doesn't get it that ObamaCare requires you to pay for your insurance whereas Reagan's Socialist EMTALA forces us to "pay higher taxes just to pay for someone else's health care".
EMTALA was designed to prevent ER and Hospital patient dumping. It is an excellent law that has saved millions of lives. When a patient presents at an ER the patient must receive care. They cannot be dumped due to lack of insurance or medical condition.
Are you now arguing to change this law? Or are you being a hack and attempting to make a bullshit and worthless political point?
Yep. That was what it was designed to do and yes, it has saved lives. I've never said differently. There are, however, enormous problems with it but that is not the point of what I wrote. Like templar, you didn't read my post. You read what you wanted to believe I wrote.
Read what I wrote.
But, like other rw's, he still doesn't get it that ObamaCare requires you to pay for your insurance whereas Reagan's Socialist EMTALA forces us to "pay higher taxes just to pay for someone else's health care".
(It gets so tiresome that half our time must be spent explaining to rw's that they can't read.)
But, like other rw's, he still doesn't get it that ObamaCare requires you to pay for your insurance whereas Reagan's Socialist EMTALA forces us to "pay higher taxes just to pay for someone else's health care".
You know you've lost a debate when you call Ronald Reagan a socialist. Game over, pal.
As usual, you can't read.
Show me where I wrote that Ronnie Ray-Gun was a Socialist.
Go to a full Universal Single Payer System like that of Canada. Paid for out of an increase in income taxes, one that goes all the way to the top, no cutoff as in Social Security.
that's the only truly acceptable viable position...
Careful......you will cause some people to get all twisted.
You know you've lost a debate when you call Ronald Reagan a socialist. Game over, pal.
As usual, you can't read.
Show me where I wrote that Ronnie Ray-Gun was a Socialist.
Usually the words "Reagan's socialist" make that implication. And you tell me I can't read?
But, like other rw's, he still doesn't get it that ObamaCare requires you to pay for your insurance whereas Reagan's Socialist EMTALA forces us to "pay higher taxes just to pay for someone else's health care".
====================================Yes. Americans are simply a bunch of idiots. We are too stupid to understand that when we sign up to buy something from Aetna or United Health or Blue Cross, we will have to pay some money.
After all, we get goods and services from private corporations without paying for them all the time. Right? I mean.....I am shocked.....shocked I tell you....every time my credit card statement comes. I never thought I'd have to pay for the stuff I agreed to pay for!
We didn't "agree" to pay for it. You still don't get that whole mandate thing do you?
Not the point that the OP was trying to make, is it? Try to keep up. Those who signed up agreed to pay...and they know that they are supposed to pay.
And the whole mandate thing is a nutter idea. I prefer to mandate paying for health care the same way we mandate paying for our military.
What I wrote was:
But, like other rw's, he still doesn't get it that ObamaCare requires you to pay for your insurance whereas Reagan's Socialist EMTALA forces us to "pay higher taxes just to pay for someone else's health care".
See the difference?
Probably not but again, that's on you.
What I wrote was:
But, like other rw's, he still doesn't get it that ObamaCare requires you to pay for your insurance whereas Reagan's Socialist EMTALA forces us to "pay higher taxes just to pay for someone else's health care".
See the difference?
Probably not but again, that's on you.
Dear Luddly:
(A) Why not fix this problem instead of making it worse?
Go to a full Universal Single Payer System like that of Canada. Paid for out of an increase in income taxes, one that goes all the way to the top, no cutoff as in Social Security.
EMTALA was designed to prevent ER and Hospital patient dumping. It is an excellent law that has saved millions of lives. When a patient presents at an ER the patient must receive care. They cannot be dumped due to lack of insurance or medical condition.
Are you now arguing to change this law? Or are you being a hack and attempting to make a bullshit and worthless political point?
EMTALA was designed to prevent ER and Hospital patient dumping. It is an excellent law that has saved millions of lives. When a patient presents at an ER the patient must receive care. They cannot be dumped due to lack of insurance or medical condition.
Are you now arguing to change this law? Or are you being a hack and attempting to make a bullshit and worthless political point?
Yes, changing EMTALA is exactly what we need to do. It's not an excellent law, it's an pie in the sky unfunded mandate. If we think that government should be responsible for making sure everyone gets health care, fund such a program with taxes, and quit trying to sweep your socialism under the carpet with legislative sleight of hand.