Your wife or shooting the guys who want to "harm" her....which do you choose...?

[Brain357]

I demanded a link. You refused to supply one. Anyone with a shred of integrity would provide the link. Cowards won't. You've been proven a coward and a liar and refuse to provide a link that will further show you to be a hypocrite.
To an outside observer, at this point, you only look like a liar and a coward at this point. You can shoot for 3 of 3 or slink away as you are. Your move.

No you posted something that didn't counter my claim at all. Now again what is your question?

If you reread what I posted, I compared apples to apples, not zucchini.
You claim an inflated number of accidental shootings is relevant to a number of homicides.
I simply attempted to force you to provide a link to your source so I could point out your hypocrisy.
You refused.
There is no conclusion to be made other than you are a coward and likely a liar. Should you submit the link at this juncture, the likely result is that you will be proven a hypocrite as well.

I'm done talking to a box of rocks here. Put up or shut up. Capisci?

You make very little sense. Not sure you should really be hijacking this thread when I already gave you the info via pm.

About 17,000 accidental firearm injuries each year.
WISQARS Nonfatal Injury Reports

So you are twice as likely to be accidently shot as you are to be intentionally killed by a gun.

Is that the one you are having a fit about?

How about this one. You are twice as likely to be accidently killed by a gun than you are to shoot and kill a criminal?

 

[Ernie S.]

Apples and zucchinis. 17,000 accidental shootings (your claim; not mentioned on linked page) result in 606 accidental deaths. You are comparing accidental shootings to deaths by homicide with a firearm.
That's an invalid comparison and a hypocritical use of statistics to support a bogus claim.

Link to a page that actually shows your number (17,000) in context.
Use of the linked page shows estimated accidental shootings with no context or support for methodology.

 

[Brain357]

Apples and zucchinis. 17,000 accidental shootings (your claim; not mentioned on linked page) result in 606 accidental deaths. You are comparing accidental shootings to deaths by homicide with a firearm.
That's an invalid comparison and a hypocritical use of statistics to support a bogus claim.

Link to a page that actually shows your number (17,000) in context.
Use of the linked page shows estimated accidental shootings with no context or support for methodology.

Use the page. You can't be this dumb.

I think it's very interesting that you are twice as likely to be accidently shot as you are to be purposely killed with a gun.

 

[Ernie S.]

Apples/ zucchini again

you are 1/13th as likely to die from an accidental gunshot as a homicide.

apples/ apples.

See how that works?
Hypocrite!

 

[Brain357]

Apples/ zucchini again

you are 1/13th as likely to die from an accidental gunshot as a homicide.

apples/ apples.

See how that works?
Hypocrite!

Only 1/13? Not a very good ratio.

Would you have a fire extinguisher if it was twice as likely to seriously injure you as you are likely to have a fire?

 

[Ernie S.]

WTF?????

 

[turtledude]

The liberal answer is the robbers wanted sex and it was wrong of the man to stop them. Isn't there a right to have sex? Is freedom really that dead. They let the man go. Now he's going to prevent them from exercising their constitutional rights.

Stop being stupid, please. This is a classic "straw man" argument. I know many, many liberals that don't oppose gun ownership. As a progressive, I don't oppose gun ownership. I believe gun owners should simply accept the risk that having a gun in a home poses to that home's occupants--but it's their decision, not mine.

Not every liberal is a gun banner or a gun restrictionist but almost every gun banner or gun restrictionist is a liberal/lefty/socialist or prog

 

[turtledude]

Apples/ zucchini again

you are 1/13th as likely to die from an accidental gunshot as a homicide.

apples/ apples.

See how that works?
Hypocrite!

Only 1/13? Not a very good ratio.

Would you have a fire extinguisher if it was twice as likely to seriously injure you as you are likely to have a fire?

false dichotomy. many of those cases of a "firearm in the home" hurting an occupant is a firearm an intruder brings into the home

 

[turtledude]

This man did as the anti gunners want victims to do.....he complied with the demands of the two violent robbers, gave them the cash they wanted....and then...they were going to pay a visit to the man's wife....so he pulled his gun and shot them.....

So gun grabbers....it would have been a better outcome if he didn't have the gun...right?

And considering he only used the gun as a very last resort, having complied with all of their demands...I guess your stupid theories that gun owners will simply panic or be easily disarmed is crap as well...right?

Kidnapped and robbed victim fatally shoots attacker VIDEO


Around 6:30 a.m., the man was putting items into his truck, which was parked in his driveway, when he was approached by two men who were armed with guns. The suspects instructed the man to go into his house to retrieve his wallet, then forced the man back into his own truck to drive to an ATM to get more cash for the suspects.

The man did as instructed, but after withdrawing the money, the suspects had the man drive to an area near his home. Local media reported the suspects indicated they were going to leave the man at that location and return to the man’s home to harm his wife.

It was at that point, the man turned the tables on the suspects, who were unaware the man had a handgun in his truck. The man grabbed his gun and fired several rounds, striking one of the suspects, and sending the second fleeing from the scene.

One neighbor, who did not wish to be identified, told reporters that when she was letting her dogs outside that morning, she heard six gunshots, followed by several more.

So...the bad guys have guns and they have control of the victim...and he still managed to get his gun and shoot the assholes......

What is it the gun grabbers say...the victim will just get shot for his efforts....from my experience this outcome is not an exception to the rule....

Criminals do not want to get shot, so most of the time they run when the victim has a gun....and even when they shoot back, the victim has as much a chance against them as they have at harming him...

And it was 2 to 1 odds.......

FIRST, can you please show me where guns HAVE been grabbed by the gun grabbers as you call them?

great story and happy ending, which is good btw....

England-all handguns

Australia-most semi auto rifles and shotguns

CT is now trying to confiscate semi auto rifles

NJ and NYC did

California did too

Moron

 

[turtledude]

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Go smoke another one you reetard, and some of what you wrote might make sense.
I don't know one single gun control advocate that would let his wife be raped, or wants to take your guns.
You're delusional

Two inescapable and unarguable truths
1: "Gun control advocates" (properly known as anti-gun loons) want to make it as hard as possible for the law abiding to exercise their right to keep and bear arms
2: This includes banning rifles.shotguns and handguns, something they openly support - especially whenever there is a school shooting.

So, they won't succeed. There isn't enough of them.
You're fighting an imaginary threat

A threat, however unlikely to succeed, is not imaginary, if it can be demonstrated to exist.
Both of the items, above, can be so demonstrated.

I still have my rifles and pistols, and you still have your guns.

Nobody is coming to get them.

Take a breath and relax, because nobody will

gun banners pretend that there is no plan to ban guns

its too bad we cannot make you take a life bond oath

meaning if they come to get our guns, your forfeit your life

I doubt any of you gun banners would make such an oath because deep down you all know you are liars

 

[turtledude]

The threat of defensive gun use prevents crime. I have no doubts about that. If criminals were confident that there were no guns in private residences then I'm quite certain that the level of home invasions would go through the roof.

people like brain need to put signs on their homes saying they oppose gun ownership

why should they bask in the sunlight we gun owners provide that helps keep the cockroaches at bay to some extent

 

[turtledude]

No,he played it cool until he could get to his firearm.

Which gave them plenty of chances to kill him had they wanted. He was very lucky.

You bet he was,thank God he got to his firearm before they decided to kill him.

According to the story they were going to leave him. He is lucky they didn't intend to kill him. If they had he would be dead.

So there's a specific time frame that they have to kill him in?
Who Knew..

They had lots of opportunities had they wanted. He is lucky they chose not to.

there is no point to your constant blathering about him being lucky. He was lucky he had a gun rather than being disarmed as assholes like you would want him to be

 

[turtledude]

But that's OK because they're "rare"?

brain reminds me of a democrat bimbo in 1972 who famously said

I CANNOT BELIEVE NIXON WON, EVERYONE I KNOW VOTED FOR McGOVERN!

 

[turtledude]

The threat of defensive gun use prevents crime. I have no doubts about that. If criminals were confident that there were no guns in private residences then I'm quite certain that the level of home invasions would go through the roof.

Yet many countries with few guns don't have invasions through the roof. Fewer guns do not create more criminals.

Fewer guns create BOLDER criminals!

Gun banners like Brain and the brain dead LuddlyNincompoop are to Criminals as OSHA is to factory workers

 

[Brain357]

The threat of defensive gun use prevents crime. I have no doubts about that. If criminals were confident that there were no guns in private residences then I'm quite certain that the level of home invasions would go through the roof.

Yet many countries with few guns don't have invasions through the roof. Fewer guns do not create more criminals.

Fewer guns create BOLDER criminals!

Gun banners like Brain and the brain dead LuddlyNincompoop are to Criminals as OSHA is to factory workers

You speak so much and never come close to an intelligent thought. Please post where I have ever suggested banning guns.

 

[Brain357]

Apples/ zucchini again

you are 1/13th as likely to die from an accidental gunshot as a homicide.

apples/ apples.

See how that works?
Hypocrite!

Only 1/13? Not a very good ratio.

Would you have a fire extinguisher if it was twice as likely to seriously injure you as you are likely to have a fire?

false dichotomy. many of those cases of a "firearm in the home" hurting an occupant is a firearm an intruder brings into the home

Link?

 

[Ernie S.]

Apples/ zucchini again

you are 1/13th as likely to die from an accidental gunshot as a homicide.

apples/ apples.

See how that works?
Hypocrite!

Only 1/13? Not a very good ratio.

Would you have a fire extinguisher if it was twice as likely to seriously injure you as you are likely to have a fire?

false dichotomy. many of those cases of a "firearm in the home" hurting an occupant is a firearm an intruder brings into the home

Link?

link to logic? Really? LOL

 

[Brain357]

Apples/ zucchini again

you are 1/13th as likely to die from an accidental gunshot as a homicide.

apples/ apples.

See how that works?
Hypocrite!

Only 1/13? Not a very good ratio.

Would you have a fire extinguisher if it was twice as likely to seriously injure you as you are likely to have a fire?

false dichotomy. many of those cases of a "firearm in the home" hurting an occupant is a firearm an intruder brings into the home

Link?

link to logic? Really? LOL

Logic? Accidental shootings don't involve an intruder. If he thinks they do then there better be a link.

 

[turtledude]

Apples/ zucchini again

you are 1/13th as likely to die from an accidental gunshot as a homicide.

apples/ apples.

See how that works?
Hypocrite!

Only 1/13? Not a very good ratio.

Would you have a fire extinguisher if it was twice as likely to seriously injure you as you are likely to have a fire?

false dichotomy. many of those cases of a "firearm in the home" hurting an occupant is a firearm an intruder brings into the home

Link?

link to logic? Really? LOL

Logic? Accidental shootings don't involve an intruder. If he thinks they do then there better be a link.

accidental shootings are decreasing even though the number of firearms in circulation are increasing

 

[Care4all]

This man did as the anti gunners want victims to do.....he complied with the demands of the two violent robbers, gave them the cash they wanted....and then...they were going to pay a visit to the man's wife....so he pulled his gun and shot them.....

So gun grabbers....it would have been a better outcome if he didn't have the gun...right?

And considering he only used the gun as a very last resort, having complied with all of their demands...I guess your stupid theories that gun owners will simply panic or be easily disarmed is crap as well...right?

Kidnapped and robbed victim fatally shoots attacker VIDEO


Around 6:30 a.m., the man was putting items into his truck, which was parked in his driveway, when he was approached by two men who were armed with guns. The suspects instructed the man to go into his house to retrieve his wallet, then forced the man back into his own truck to drive to an ATM to get more cash for the suspects.

The man did as instructed, but after withdrawing the money, the suspects had the man drive to an area near his home. Local media reported the suspects indicated they were going to leave the man at that location and return to the man’s home to harm his wife.

It was at that point, the man turned the tables on the suspects, who were unaware the man had a handgun in his truck. The man grabbed his gun and fired several rounds, striking one of the suspects, and sending the second fleeing from the scene.

One neighbor, who did not wish to be identified, told reporters that when she was letting her dogs outside that morning, she heard six gunshots, followed by several more.

So...the bad guys have guns and they have control of the victim...and he still managed to get his gun and shoot the assholes......

What is it the gun grabbers say...the victim will just get shot for his efforts....from my experience this outcome is not an exception to the rule....

Criminals do not want to get shot, so most of the time they run when the victim has a gun....and even when they shoot back, the victim has as much a chance against them as they have at harming him...

And it was 2 to 1 odds.......

FIRST, can you please show me where guns HAVE been grabbed by the gun grabbers as you call them?

great story and happy ending, which is good btw....

England-all handguns

Australia-most semi auto rifles and shotguns

CT is now trying to confiscate semi auto rifles

NJ and NYC did

California did too

Moron

HahahahahahahahaHahahahahahahaha!

I'm sorry....I actually agree with you that I am a moron for not knowing what you posted but I really am not a follower of that type of stuff..... or other states than my own and guns are a dime a dozen up where I live....if you don't own some sort of gun way up here....you would be the odd man out.
...''.
As far as automatic weapons...I don't believe they were missed up here...... where I am in Maine....these guns are for survival and BEARS..... (who just paid a visit....here, at the house, less than one to two weeks ago.... and for the 4th year in a row...this waking up time of the year.....when they are hungry!)