YUGE WINNING! Obama's Un-American Mandate Repealed...

[debbiedowner]

Well, no, he didn't.

He just raised insurance costs on everyone else.

Wait a second Yahoo, so before Obama care people didn't buy insurance, Obama care came along and raised premiums and deductibles sky high , now you are telling us if we get rid of the mandate it will raise them more?

Not logical

Well, it is logical, you still have the 10 mandated essential health benefits.

No it's not logical..we didn't have a mandate, then when we did insurance premiums and deductibles went through the roof..


Why?

You also didn't have the 10 mandated essential health benefits, they have not repealed them and other than a few months ago Congress talking about them we have heard nothing. Those are one driving force of the higher premium. You would have had higher premiums anyway but not as much as they are. As long as people demand co pays and low deductibles with or without any mandates premiums would go higher.

You can’t force people into something they don’t want and expect good things from it. To think so is insanity

Like I told you before go without no one cares. I imagine, although you said you didn't, use IHS.

 

[Rustic]

$700 tax on every person who doesn’t want to buy Obamacare.

Bye bye tax on the poor.

Dems are scum. Trump just lowered taxes on the poor.

Well, no, he didn't.

He just raised insurance costs on everyone else.

Why should poor people pay $700 to make insurance cheaper for others?

No answers, huh, Progs?

Obama put a tax on every poor person in America who didn’t want Obamacare.

That’s fucked up...

No he didnt. Poor people got coverage. Stop lying.

At who’s expense?
Socialized medicine ruins peoples lives who want nothing to do with it. Why don’t you fuckers keep it to yourselves? Leave the rest of us out of it

 

[Rustic]

Wait a second Yahoo, so before Obama care people didn't buy insurance, Obama care came along and raised premiums and deductibles sky high , now you are telling us if we get rid of the mandate it will raise them more?

Not logical

Well, it is logical, you still have the 10 mandated essential health benefits.

No it's not logical..we didn't have a mandate, then when we did insurance premiums and deductibles went through the roof..


Why?

You also didn't have the 10 mandated essential health benefits, they have not repealed them and other than a few months ago Congress talking about them we have heard nothing. Those are one driving force of the higher premium. You would have had higher premiums anyway but not as much as they are. As long as people demand co pays and low deductibles with or without any mandates premiums would go higher.

You can’t force people into something they don’t want and expect good things from it. To think so is insanity

Like I told you before go without no one cares. I imagine, although you said you didn't, use IHS.

Forced insurance is legalized extortion, no two ways about it

 

[Rustic]

Finally a US Congressional achievement i can celebrate. The Mandate is gone. It should have never been allowed to happen. So i have to congratulate and thank the GOP and President Trump bigtime. They ended the Mandate and got some Tax Reform done. A Yuge accomplishment.


Senate GOP repeals ObamaCare Mandate

Senate Republicans have approved the repeal of ObamaCare’s individual mandate as part of their tax-cut bill, a major step toward ending an unpopular part of the health-care law.

“Families ought to be able to make decisions about what they want to buy and what works for them — not the government,” Sen. John Barrasso (R-Wyo.) said, hailing the accomplishment.

The Senate tax bill must still be reconciled with House legislation that does not include the mandate’s repeal. But that is unlikely to be a major issue, given support in the GOP conference for repealing the mandate.

Repealing the mandate also saves $300 billion over ten years...

Senate GOP repeals ObamaCare mandate
DRUDGE REPORT 2018®

And in time 43 million Americans will lose access to affordable healthcare.

“A repeal of the individual mandate would cause a substantial reduction in the number of people with health insurance, CBO and JCT estimate. Under current law, about 28 million people under age 65 in the United States would be uninsured in 2026. This option would change that number as follows: About 2 million fewer people would have employment-based coverage, about 6 million fewer people would obtain nongroup policies (insurance people can purchase directly either in the marketplaces or from insurers outside the marketplaces), and about 7 million fewer people would have coverage under Medicaid. All together, the agencies estimate, 43 million people would be uninsured in 2026.”

Repeal the Individual Health Insurance Mandate

Such is the reprehensible right.

Millions of Americans will never use insurance, millions will never be able to afford health insurance/single payer... if Obamacare is not stopped it will be just another money pit like All socialist entitlement programs are. And run like the fuck up that is the VA.

 

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This is fine with me. On the other hand I question if those without health insurance should be allowed to be treated.if they get a bad illness then what?

Shit happens, why force People that want nothing to do with the shit into it?

 

[Rustic]

Finally a US Congressional achievement i can celebrate. The Mandate is gone. It should have never been allowed to happen. So i have to congratulate and thank the GOP and President Trump bigtime. They ended the Mandate and got some Tax Reform done. A Yuge accomplishment.


Senate GOP repeals ObamaCare Mandate

Senate Republicans have approved the repeal of ObamaCare’s individual mandate as part of their tax-cut bill, a major step toward ending an unpopular part of the health-care law.

“Families ought to be able to make decisions about what they want to buy and what works for them — not the government,” Sen. John Barrasso (R-Wyo.) said, hailing the accomplishment.

The Senate tax bill must still be reconciled with House legislation that does not include the mandate’s repeal. But that is unlikely to be a major issue, given support in the GOP conference for repealing the mandate.

Repealing the mandate also saves $300 billion over ten years...

Senate GOP repeals ObamaCare mandate
DRUDGE REPORT 2018®

Let them die!

Right?

Oh, Republicans love it when Americans suffer. Dying is best of all, right?

Fuck the village, Choosing winners and losers is always a bad deal when the federal government’s involved

 

[Rustic]

Faux high-horse outrage shite. The Mandate was an awful Government-overreach abuse of power. It should have never been allowed to happen. Good riddance.

Okay, let's grant that.

so..... what's your alternative.

If you are going to say, insurance companies can't cap benefits and they can't deny you treatment for a "pre-existing" condition, what is going to keep them afloat. If the young and healthy won't buy insurance and the old and sick can't be denied insurance, how do they stay afloat?

Insurance companies are nothing but a bunch of crooks, let them sink.
The whole concept of paying into pool/insurance/village is a fuck up, It will be abused 100% of the time. So fuck it

 

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Sort of like Obamacare did. My what a short attention span we have.

Well, no, insurace costs were going to go up anyway... they are just going up faster now.

Good work.

Fuck the concept of insurance

 

[Coyote]

$700 tax on every person who doesn’t want to buy Obamacare.

Bye bye tax on the poor.

Dems are scum. Trump just lowered taxes on the poor.

Well, no, he didn't.

He just raised insurance costs on everyone else.

Wait a second Yahoo, so before Obama care people didn't buy insurance, Obama care came along and raised premiums and deductibles sky high , now you are telling us if we get rid of the mandate it will raise them more?

Not logical

Very logical. Increased premiums could have been fixed if the Republicans had allowed it. Many people have no clue how insurance works.

If you don’t require insurance healthy people will opt out and healthy people are what keeps the cost down. That leaves sicker people needing more care in the system and nothing to offset those costs.

Premiums were going up before ACA, that was one of the reasons for behind the ACA.

Now the healthcare system is spinning like a wildly unbalanced wheel. And many of the people who benefited most from ACA are Trump voters. Ironic.

 

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Premiums will skyrocket particularly for pre existing conditions. I don’t see how this is good for the many Americans who finally have health insurance. And most Americans will see little benefit from tax cuts.

I'm sure they will go up, but it kind of won't matter. They won't be able to DENY coverage for pre-existing conditions, and a high premium means you still have to pay the benefit. It's the equivalent of letting you buy car insurance AFTER you've had an accident.

So?
Paying into a pool is good thing? Only fool would think so, why force anyone to pay for something that “might” happen? That’s communist shit

 

[Coyote]

Liberals need to send in their fair share of taxes.

we do.

red states need to stop glomming all the money we pay to the federal government, lowlife.

It's about time you pay your fair share..

We just took the blue states tax deduction loophole away from them. They can no longer deduct state income tax off their federal return and property tax, mortgage interest deductions are capped. Now blue states will have to pay their fair share of federal income tax.

Again, another show of ignorance. ALL states get to use that deduction.

 

[Coyote]

Premiums will skyrocket particularly for pre existing conditions. I don’t see how this is good for the many Americans who finally have health insurance. And most Americans will see little benefit from tax cuts.

I'm sure they will go up, but it kind of won't matter. They won't be able to DENY coverage for pre-existing conditions, and a high premium means you still have to pay the benefit. It's the equivalent of letting you buy car insurance AFTER you've had an accident.

So?
Paying into a pool is good thing? Only fool would think so, why force anyone to pay for something that “might” happen? That’s communist shit

No. That is insurance.

 

[Rustic]

OK, ok, I will go along with you, as soon as you tell everyone how to pay for it. 1st clean up all the entitlement mess though, before you create another one!

Medicare Part E- Medicare for everyone. The problem isn't paying for it, we already spend 18% of our GDP on health care while the rest of the industrialized countries spend 8 - 11%.

Clinton, GW, and Obama would NEVER address this problem. Seems Trump won't either. I am all for fantasyland scenarios where everyone gets something, but lets decide how to pay for it 1st; and that is after we balance the books on S.S., and Medicare.

simple enough. Tax the rich to pay back all the money you stole from the SS and MC trust funds to pay for Corporate Welfare and bloated military spending.

So I'm sorry you typed out the rest of that babble when the solutions are so obvious.

Military spending is a drop in the bucket compared to socialist entitlement programs which are all a waste, there is not enough money in the world to pay for socialist programs... the well is dry.

 

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But this is what happens when you mix politics in the private market. Democrats never cared about helping all Americans, they only cared about helping their voters.

Wow, government actually helping voters! WHat a crazy concept. They should only help their rich donors!!!!

The money is not the governments, they should not say how it is spent

 

[evenflow1969]

Well, considering the GOP lied to us for eight years about Repeal & Replace, maybe their flock will find a way to celebrate this remarkable and absolutely game-changing achievement.

The Mandate is gone. It was Un-American. The ultimate Big Government abuse of power. So i have to thank the GOP and Trump. They delivered.

Okay, how will this help? Walk me through it.
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It is a Civil Rights issue...the Government can't force you to buy something.....

Nolte: Obamacare Mandate Repeal Is the Most Important Civil Rights Victory in Years - Breitbart

Going all the way back to 2009, it was obvious Obamacare would end up looking like a Rube Goldberg machine powered by totalitarianism. Who would have ever guessed, though, it was such a fiasco that the mandate would actually cost the government money — a delicious irony that would result in its undoing.
It works like this…

For the sin of being born, Obamacare mandates that every American purchase health insurance. If we do not purchase this totally unnecessary, godawful product (more on this below), we are required by law to pay a hefty tax to the federal government.


Somehow, and I do not really care how, this tax actually costs the government money, some $340 billion — with a “B” — every ten years.

Only Bill Ayers’ pal and his merry band of congressional nincompoops could crawl so far up their own backsides that they were able to find a tax that increases the deficit.

But thank heavens they did. Had they not, the Senate would not have repealed the mandate Friday night.


After the humiliation of failing to keep their defining promise to repeal Obamacare, the Senate turned to tax reform, which also looked sketchy due to deficit projections. But then the clouds parted and the stars aligned with the discovery that repealing the Obamacare mandate would save the government this $340 billion.

Talk about a win-win. Here was a way to kill the most hated (and crucial) part of Obamacare and pass tax cuts. And that is exactly what happened — the American people won a sweet two-fer: lower taxes and freedom from a fascist mandate.

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If I purchase a car, I am voluntarily taking on certain civic responsibilities that require the purchase of insurance. I have no problem with that. The Obamacare mandate is something altogether different.

For no other reason other than the fact I am born, the mandate is the federal government forcing me to buy something. This is nothing less than a legalized violation of my civil rights.

Forget the fact that Obamacare so over-regulates the insurance industry that we are now required to purchase a ridiculously expensive, one-size-fits-all Cadillac plan with a deductible so sky-high most of us will never use it. That is the least of this outrage, and something the Senate still needs to fix.

What I am talking about is the principle of the state forcing you to purchase something for your own good and for the good of others.

Sorry to be crude, but f**k that.

Setting a precedent that allows the government to force me to buy something for my own good is as un-American as it gets. What if studies show that the key to a long life is owning a Bible and gun? Is it okay with you Obamacare fans if Trump and Co. mandates the purchase of those?

So now go after the car insurance mandate and I will belive your civil rights stance.

 

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Correct, poor people did get coverage. And who are the poor? Those who don't want to work or work very little.

I think if you offered any poor person a job that pays a living wage, they'd take it.

SO here's a concept- Let's get rid of welfare and replace it with workfare. You show up with a resume, and they get you a job, somewhere. Then you manage your own budgets.

Big business wouldn't go for it, though. Then they'd have to attract employees instead of choosing them.

As long as there are socialist entitlement programs, people would rather sit on their ass...

 

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n the meantime, people who do work 40 hours plus a week were paying for the coverage for those who didn't work, and those very same people could not afford insurance for themselves.

I get so aggravated about concerns of the poor instead of the concerns of the middle-class. Why do Democrats put so much effort into providing for the non-productive in our society instead of the productive? Why do they show such disdain for the producers of our society?

why do you think anyone considers you a "producer", guy.

Your boss won't even spring for your health insurance, that's how much of a "producer' you are.

The thing is, most people on Medicare ARE working. They just aren't making enough because their bosses are even cheaper than yours.

Whole concept of insurance is a crock of shit, why even give it the time a day?

 

[Coyote]

If I am driving, slide on some ice and hit another car and I am sued...I won’t lose everything.

If my ranch in Montana is burned down in a wildfire and I have lost everything, I can rebuild because I have insurance.

If my child gets diagnosed with neuroblastoma, I can get her the necessary treatment without losing her home, our savings and everything we own because I have insurance.

And in all those cases, insurance helps to insure those events won’t cause me to end up destitute on public assistance.

 

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$700 tax on every person who doesn’t want to buy Obamacare.

Bye bye tax on the poor.

Dems are scum. Trump just lowered taxes on the poor.

Well, no, he didn't.

He just raised insurance costs on everyone else.

Wait a second Yahoo, so before Obama care people didn't buy insurance, Obama care came along and raised premiums and deductibles sky high , now you are telling us if we get rid of the mandate it will raise them more?

Not logical

Very logical. Increased premiums could have been fixed if the Republicans had allowed it. Many people have no clue how insurance works.

If you don’t require insurance healthy people will opt out and healthy people are what keeps the cost down. That leaves sicker people needing more care in the system and nothing to offset those costs.

Premiums were going up before ACA, that was one of the reasons for behind the ACA.

Now the healthcare system is spinning like a wildly unbalanced wheel. And many of the people who benefited most from ACA are Trump voters. Ironic.

Why make healthy people pay for unhealthy people? Charity is not charity if it is not 100% voluntary. You sound like a spineless communist

 

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Sort of like Obamacare did. My what a short attention span we have.

Well, no, insurace costs were going to go up anyway... they are just going up faster now.

Good work.

But that’s not what was advertised