Yup! He's Still Going Foward with Amnesty

[JakeStarkey]

never going to happen as mass deportation

nothing fore than a far right wet dream that felt great but then they had to make up the bed

Once again this President is NOT enforcing the laws. ANYONE that hires an illegal should be fined and if they do it a second time jailed. Dry up the jobs and no more illegals.

He's a democrat... only republicans are expected to enforce laws. Democrats are the ones breaking them.

I am a Republican, and you, like Yurt, say you are not far right trash, but like Yurt, yeah, you are.

1. Seal the border
2. Punish the businesses with "death" penalties for hiring illegals knowingly
3. Immigration reform

 

[JakeStarkey]

Rota has part of the solution. Yes, it can be sealed.

 

[Kondor3]

Sounds like hypocrisy to me

hypocrisy?
Why doesn't obama close the border?

We have better uses for our money

Now you allege that it's too expensive to close and enforce the border? LMAO..ok...prove it.

you'll just say anything...

A 3000 mile impenetrable barrier?

You think that comes cheap? We haven't been able to do it yet

We went to the moon...6 times.....45 years ago...that wasn't cheap or easy either. Don't tell me we can't secure our border in the 21st century.
Quit looking for excuses.

There is nothing good that comes from having an open border. Nothing...Not one thing.

That's fine.

But first things first.

We need to take care of the 12,000,000 already here.

And we're half-broke as it is.

We don't need to be sinking the National Debt into deportation operations.

We need to motivate them to leave on their own.

We need them to pass the word that there is no longer any point in coming here illegally, because you can't get jobs or housing or welfare or any of that shit.

Turn off the spigot.

Dry off.

Then see if more is needed.

If more is needed, then fine, let's do it.

But let's see if that's actually necessary, first.

No point in spending money if it can be done more cheaply another way, right?

 

[Rotagilla]

...close and enforce the border. No more excuses..

If our choices are...

1. spend $100 million to craft and enforce legislation designed to make US soil metaphorically toxic to Illegal Aliens, forcing them to leave, and not want to come back, or...

2. spend $20 billion, to build a wall...

Which is the more responsible approach to take, at least in the short-to-mid-term, in order to address the 12,000,000 invaders already resident upon United States soil?

Oh..just making up random numbers?..nice tactic...

Oh, come on, of COURSE those are random numbers, but they were intended to demonstrate the likely actual proportion between solutions, in order to drive home a valid point.

...Close and enforce the border. Cheap and effective...

How does this help us to rid the country of the 12,000,000 Illegal Aliens already present upon United States soil, without our express prior consent?

...Deport all illegals...

Agreed.

But make them SELF-deport.

Make conditions here sufficiently onerous for them that they'll pack up and head home on their own, without us having to invest the national debt in deportation operations.

....Seize assets from the nations that have illegals here and apply them to the cost of deportation. Cheap and effective...

And, do you happen to have handy, (1) the estimated cost of deporting 12,000,000 Illegal Aliens, and (2) the estimated value of the assets that you propose to seize, and (3) an understanding as to whether or not that will be enough to pay the bill, and (4) an understanding of what that will do to our foreign relations, for decades to come?

...Problem solved.

Your solution causes more problems than it solves... it's a non-starter.

make all the empty proclamations and unfounded declarations you want....Nothing good comes from having an open border. Nothing.


a patriotic american president wouldn't allow open borders in the first place but we know the left wants the cheap labor they get by allowing these people to be exploited. It's shameful..They also displace american workers and keep fair wages low...which spreads and increases poverty...which leads to votes for the party that gives away the most free stuff...

The cost to the u.s. to deport illegals would be miniscule. The home country of the illegals will pay for it.

a patriotic president would command the sec of state to have the ambassadors of those countries appear at a meeting at the white house.
a patriotic president would tell these various ambassadors that as of 15 minutes ago the bborder was closed and deportations would begin in 24 hours. Any assets those countries have in the u.s. would be seized and used to pay to repatriate the illegals...any future grants, aid or money from the u.s. would be frozen until the operation is finished.
This stuff isn't really as hard as you guys pretend.

 

[Rotagilla]

hypocrisy?
Why doesn't obama close the border?

We have better uses for our money

Now you allege that it's too expensive to close and enforce the border? LMAO..ok...prove it.

you'll just say anything...

A 3000 mile impenetrable barrier?

You think that comes cheap? We haven't been able to do it yet

We went to the moon...6 times.....45 years ago...that wasn't cheap or easy either. Don't tell me we can't secure our border in the 21st century.
Quit looking for excuses.

There is nothing good that comes from having an open border. Nothing...Not one thing.

That's fine.

But first things first.

We need to take care of the 12,000,000 already here.

And we're half-broke as it is.

We don't need to be sinking the National Debt into deportation operations.

nonsense...
a patriotic president would command the sec of state to have the ambassadors of those countries appear at a meeting at the white house.
a patriotic president would tell these various ambassadors that as of 15 minutes ago the bborder was closed and deportations would begin in 24 hours. Any assets those countries have in the u.s. would be seized and used to pay to repatriate the illegals...any future grants, aid or money from the u.s. would be frozen until the operation is finished.
This stuff isn't really as hard as you guys pretend.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Rotagilla is not a patriotic American so he would not know what a patriotic President would do.

 

[Kondor3]

...Nothing good comes from having an open border. Nothing...

Who-the-hell ever said anything good ever came from an open border?

But let's eliminate the reason WHY they're flooding across the border first, and then see whether we need to spend all that money that we've never had to spend before, yes?

...a patriotic american president wouldn't allow open borders in the first place but we know the left wants the cheap labor they get by allowing these people to be exploited...

That's where you've got it wrong.

The RIGHT wants the Illegals for their cheap labor.

The LEFT wants the Illegals because they'll eventually morph into grateful Democrat voters.

BOTH political parties - and BOTH sides of the political spectrum - are full of shit clean up to their ears, when it comes to Illegal Aliens.

Get it?

...It's shameful..They also displace american workers and keep fair wages low...which spreads and increases poverty...which leads to votes for the party that gives away the most free stuff...

Agreed, mostly.

...The cost to the u.s. to deport illegals would be miniscule...

What is the cost to deport, per Illegal Alien?

Now, multiply that by 12,000,0000.

...The home country of the illegals will pay for it...

They will?

Have they agreed to this?

Or do you just plan on seizing their assets in this country, and killing billions of dollars of trade, and trashing whatever remaining goodwill we have amongst some of them?

Rather like spending a dollar to make a dime, I suspect.

...a patriotic president would command the sec of state to have the ambassadors of those countries appear at a meeting at the white house.
a patriotic president would tell these various ambassadors that as of 15 minutes ago the bborder was closed and deportations would begin in 24 hours. Any assets those countries have in the u.s. would be seized and used to pay to repatriate the illegals...any future grants, aid or money from the u.s. would be frozen until the operation is finished.
This stuff isn't really as hard as you guys pretend.

Your solution is impractical and will never be adopted, despite all your protestations to the contrary.

What else have you got, beyond these never-to-be-implemented Draconian measures - or is that the extent of your contribution?

 

[JakeStarkey]

The RIGHT wants the Illegals for their cheap labor.

The LEFT wants the Illegals because they'll eventually morph into grateful Democrat voters.

BOTH political parties - and BOTH sides of the political spectrum - are full of shit clean up to their ears, when it comes to Illegal Aliens.

Absolutely true.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

never going to happen as mass deportation

nothing fore than a far right wet dream that felt great but then they had to make up the bed

Once again this President is NOT enforcing the laws. ANYONE that hires an illegal should be fined and if they do it a second time jailed. Dry up the jobs and no more illegals.

He's a democrat... only republicans are expected to enforce laws. Democrats are the ones breaking them.

I am a Republican, and you, like Yurt, say you are not far right trash, but like Yurt, yeah, you are.

1. Seal the border
2. Punish the businesses with "death" penalties for hiring illegals knowingly
3. Immigration reform

Remind me how Obama has done ANY of those 3? Obama's idea of Immigration reform is to amnesty everyone and create the next generation of millions of illegals hoping for the same thing.

 

[JakeStarkey]

All three of those can be done by Congress and signed by the President.

Alright? If Congress refuses to act, yet we have a problem the president can address, then common sense propels the action of resolving said problem.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

All three of those can be done by Congress and signed by the President.

Alright? If Congress refuses to act, yet we have a problem the president can address, then common sense propels the action of resolving said problem.

The current President has already stated he wants amnesty and that he will accept nothing else. Wanna try again?

 

[JakeStarkey]

You think he would not give Congress a sealed border and business punishment if they gave him immigration reform.

Of course he would.

And the Hispanic population would look very favorably on a Republican congress that sent such a bill to him.

The minority voters and many of the women voters will blame our GOP for obstructionism, if the President goes EO and explains its our fault.

 

[rightwinger]

Sounds like hypocrisy to me

hypocrisy?
Why doesn't obama close the border?

We have better uses for our money

Now you allege that it's too expensive to close and enforce the border? LMAO..ok...prove it.

you'll just say anything...

A 3000 mile impenetrable barrier?

You think that comes cheap? We haven't been able to do it yet

We went to the moon...6 times.....45 years ago...that wasn't cheap or easy either. Don't tell me we can't secure our border in the 21st century.
Quit looking for excuses.

There is nothing good that comes from having an open border. Nothing...Not one thing.

That's the best you could come up with?
The moon?

Maybe we can chant.....One small step......every time we stop an illegal crossing

 

[rightwinger]

All three of those can be done by Congress and signed by the President.

Alright? If Congress refuses to act, yet we have a problem the president can address, then common sense propels the action of resolving said problem.

The current President has already stated he wants amnesty and that he will accept nothing else. Wanna try again?

Show where he said amnesty

 

[bucs90]

He can pardon the ones ID'd. But blanket amnesty? We dont know who is here. So anyone could sneak in and claim they've been here since amnesty. Basically voiding our immigration laws which I doubt is legal.

 

[JakeStarkey]

What amnesty?

 

[JimBowie1958]

You think he would not give Congress a sealed border and business punishment if they gave him immigration reform.

Of course he would.

And the Hispanic population would look very favorably on a Republican congress that sent such a bill to him.

The minority voters and many of the women voters will blame our GOP for obstructionism, if the President goes EO and explains its our fault.

Lol, that is a bunch of bullshit and you know, it lying fuck.

 

[JimBowie1958]

hypocrisy?
Why doesn't obama close the border?

We have better uses for our money

Now you allege that it's too expensive to close and enforce the border? LMAO..ok...prove it.

you'll just say anything...

A 3000 mile impenetrable barrier?

You think that comes cheap? We haven't been able to do it yet

We went to the moon...6 times.....45 years ago...that wasn't cheap or easy either. Don't tell me we can't secure our border in the 21st century.
Quit looking for excuses.

There is nothing good that comes from having an open border. Nothing...Not one thing.

That's the best you could come up with?
The moon?

Maybe we can chant.....One small step......every time we stop an illegal crossing

Don't worry RQ, yo u will still be able to cruise the Spanish side of town and get all them big boys.

 

[ninja007]

does any honest person think that these illegals and immigrants do not vote dem 95% of the time? It's in their vested interest to get them here illegally. But the next problem they will have is pissing off all the blacks, who are here legally and are their bread and butter base vote.

 

[ninja007]

You think he would not give Congress a sealed border and business punishment if they gave him immigration reform.

Of course he would.

And the Hispanic population would look very favorably on a Republican congress that sent such a bill to him.

The minority voters and many of the women voters will blame our GOP for obstructionism, if the President goes EO and explains its our fault.

Lol, that is a bunch of bullshit and you know, it lying fuck.

Jake is so full of shit that he'll be constipated for 100 eternities.